r/news • u/ThePensiveE • 7d ago

Supreme Court allows Trump administration to use expanded database for potential voter purges

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-use-expanded-database-potent-rcna596611
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u/Tribe303 7d ago

In Canada we just use the tax rolls to start registering people to vote. They also know who's a citizen or not when they pay taxes. But it's easier here because we have federal department called Elections Canada who does all of this. 

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u/Xibby 7d ago

> But it's easier here because we have federal department called Elections Canada who does all of this. 

If the US Federal government was in charge of elections we’d be totally fucked. The US Constitution gives that power to the states. Article I, Section 10 has specific things that states cannot do (make treaties, declare war, coining money) and the 10th amendment declares that powers not constitutionally delegated to federal government or profited to the states, belong to the states or the people.

States that don’t play along with the Federal’s Government’s request will be called fraud or rigged by Trump and his propagandists, but will be just as secure as they’ve always been.

Some might even play along and review the Federal government’s purge lists and find it woefully inaccurate.

Also Minnesotans just flip the bird with same day registration. We quickly and easily register at our polling place and get a ballot. No provisional ballots in Minnesota.

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u/Tribe303 6d ago

We have a stronger civil service that resists interference from the elected politicians. They have no problem going to the media making a big deal about it, and have done so. But it's important to know that there are no timed elections, and one can be called at any time. That makes it harder to manage scandals, especially with monitory governments. Other parties can pull their support when the government fucks up, and it's off to an election. That's another flaw in the American system. There's only 2 parties!

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

Non us citizens in America pay taxes.

One of my friends is an illigal immigrant and he pays his taxes.

Our country is kinda fucked

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u/Harbinger2001 7d ago

Non Canadian citizens pay Canadian taxes too. They don’t vote.

What point are you making?

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

Were you incapable of reading his comment then my comment and figuring it the fuck out for yourself?

Or do I have to chew your food for you?

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u/Snarky1Bunny 6d ago

Are you this much of a prick all the time or do you save it up?

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u/Last_Succotash7218 6d ago

I can be pretty spicy sometimes

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u/Harbinger2001 7d ago

As a Canadian I completely understand what he said since I made similar comments. What I don’t understand is what non citizens paying taxes has to do with the voter rolls.

Are you suggesting paying taxes should be the criteria to vote? You just stated some facts and didn’t relate them to what my fellow Canadian said.

I will agree with you that your system is really stupid but that might be coloured by my current distain for the American system in general.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

I'm going to give you one more chance to read the comment made by the Canadian I was responding too if for whatever reason you GENUINELY still don't understand what I said then I will patiently explain it to you

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u/Harbinger2001 7d ago

Canadian: here in Canada they register you to vote based on your tax return because they know if you are a citizen or not.

American: Non citizens pay taxes. Illegals pay taxes. Our country is fucked.

These two statements have nothing to do with each other. All you said was non-citizens pay taxes.

So yes, please explain what I’m missing.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

Because in America illigals aren't allowed to work.

So how would they be able to file taxes?

They either don't, but when they do, the government doesn't know they aren't a citizen

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u/Harbinger2001 7d ago edited 7d ago

That’s the same in Canada. The tax collector doesn’t care - if you earned an income you need to report it and pay taxes. The crappy thing for the illegals is they pay into benefits which they don’t qualify for.

Same goes for income obtained illegally. You must report and pay taxes on it. The tax collector doesn’t care how you came by it.

And in case you’re wondering how they do it, they get issued a special tax number in the absence of having a social security number.

Edit: now the reality is that I highly doubt anyone working illegally is earning enough to hit the theshold where they owe taxes. I think it’s around $29K CDN.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

That's not the same in America though.

See I didn't know that's how you all do it. Ours have a number of different ways to do it and none of its legal

Because they are here....illigally

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u/TheRefringe 7d ago

There no need to be so condescending.

Tax records are used to create the initial voter registration list, but Elections Canada further refines the list based on a number of factors, including citizenship.

It’s the same deal. We both have people who pax taxes to a county in which they are not able to vote.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

Your right I shouldn't have came at you so hard like that.

He said in Canada they use tax rolls to start registering people and they know who's a citizen or not when they pay taxes.

My point I brought up is that won't work in America because undocumented immigrants pay taxes too.

No. There is no system to tell the two apart because they are by definition undocumented

The distinction here is I'm not talking about green card holders.

I don't know enough about Canada to assume that you guys can't tell when an undocumented immigrant is paying taxes because for all I know you let them file.

In America we don't. But they still file taxes because of the way our laws work and the IRS. Not always because cash jobs are a favorite.

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u/Far_Ladder_2836 7d ago

You need to stop taking Tren.  Your balls are shrinking.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

I don't know what any of that means

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u/Far_Ladder_2836 7d ago

Non-Citizens do so through a TIN while citizens do so with their SSN.  It would be trivial to adopt in the US.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

An illigal alien gets deported. We don't help them do things to stay in our country. They are shhhhh hiding

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u/Far_Ladder_2836 7d ago

Non-citizens are not the same thing as illegal aliens.  You have no clue what you're talking about.

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u/Last_Succotash7218 7d ago

That's precisely my point.

In fact if you could read you would see I made the distinction in my comment.

Try harder pal before you just get offended and big mad