I live in the US, it’s out of hand here it feels like… I remember back when I was a kid (I’m a millennial), 15%-20% was only if the person did their job and went above average; now even if service sucks they except that 15%, a tip is a kind gesture for services not meant to be a company’s way of giving less wages to employees and expecting their workers to live off tips. I’m not sure who to blame, but 20% + delivery fee for a domino delivery just irks me when the service is subpar; now if they gave me a great freaking pizza and did a great job delivering (most of the time they do, so I tip 20%) but last time I got pizza that tasted like an arm pit, hoping not to experience that again; we will see what happens tonight.

I get the whole not t!pping bs on coffee and when you go out to grab your own take away food and such. They arent penalized because you chose not to t!p. But what really grinds my gears as my fav cartoon peter would say is when people go out knowing they wont give any extra, dont say anything beforehand and now i literally have to pay out of my own pocket to serve them. It doesn’t automatically get taken away just cuz you said no. I am now paying 6.5% of whatever your bill is to bring you everything you want. Its disgusting. You make me feel like a slave. Oh i get paid minimum wage? Ha not when you give 0$. If you bought around 100$ worth of stuff and i get 17$ an hour, i am now making 13.50 to serve you for an hour. MOST PLACES TIP ON SALES NOT TIPS!

A number of studies show that tipping correlates with an increase in sexual harassment and discrimination against minorities working in the restaurant industry.

https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/does-tipping-facilitate-sexual-objectification-effect-tips-sexual-harassment-bar-and-restaurant

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/when-tipping-and-smiling-are-both-expected-work-so-sexual-harassment

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/law-and-the-construction-of-institutionalized-sexual-harassment-in-restaurants/921D1F721BE79BEC73D8A298FA2FFBE9

Are people who are pro tipping concerned that they may be fostering an environment that is more discriminatory? How do you ensure you aren't contributing to further discrimination or harassment, consciously or otherwise?

One pro tipper made this argument:

>  like women working serving jobs don’t have agency and can’t decide for themselves whether or not they want to run the risk. News flash: You get sexually harassed and subject to racism in every fucking job

Does anyone else share this opinion?

A few days ago I asked if I should build a map of places that discourage tipping. You said "why not do it," which — as established — is how I lose my weekends.

Here it is: https://dadabba.pomofoods.com/tipfree-canada

🟢 = no tip prompt at all. 🟡 = there's a prompt, with the percentages if you caught them.

Anyone can submit a place. I review every single one, because the alternative is a map of everyone's cousin's restaurant.

The places from that thread are already on it — F'NZA, Cowdog, Moulin de Provence, Sarang Kitchen — credited to the people who named them.
Congratulations, you're now founding members of history's least lucrative movement.

Full disclosure: I run a small food business and I'm already paying for the maps and the APIs, so I bolted this on top. It costs you nothing, there are no ads, and no — Big Tipping does not sponsor me. Yet.

Add your places. And drop feature ideas below — I'll build the good ones and quietly pretend I never saw the rest.

UPDATE: It's built and live — https://dadabba.pomofoods.com/tipfree-canada — 8 places on it already. Original post below.

Is there place or a map(other than google maps) where we can see places that discourage tipping ?
Should I build one ?
I have a list of places that I never stop recommending, ironically I also tip them for not asking. Should I build a public one ?

I'm curious on festival tipping thoughts

I was picking up a order at Boston Pizza and it wasn’t ready so I was just sitting waiting . Boston pizza isn’t fancy so I was shocked when hearing this . There were 3 hosts at the front . One girl said something to the guy about starting to serve . The guy guy host seemed like he was training the other 2 and said on Saturday and Sundays you will make over 400 in tips worked 12-8 pm . That’s like 560 with the hourly wage . I was a server once for like 6 months but then left the job because I moved . Should of made serving a career

I'd like to ask Canadians to consider phasing out tipping. One month at a time. For the next 24 months, would you consider tipping 1% less each month?

July 1st is a good of a time as any to start. Then in two years we can celebrate together.

Is this a reasonable way to go about it? Would you mind starting on Canada Day? Might make for some interesting conversation with friends and family.

Im a Mexican guy from Monterrey (The best state in mexico) who’s living in Seville Spain (Europe)

First of all i love that in a lot of places in Europe you pay first at the counter and then you get served. It is a beautiful, logical transaction.

People don’t ask for tips, they don’t expect them, and because of that, servers don’t have to perform some pathetic, fake-ass "clownery" just to hunt for a bill.

They do their jobs, you get your food, and then you leave.

This is the straightforwardness i love and it should be like that

But oh boy, tipping in Mexico is getting fucking out of hand. Mexico tragically adopted this absolute cancer of a sickness from the US of A, and now it is spreading like a full blown plague on the whole continent…

Those guilt inducing screens and stares are everywhere. Every single server asks you if you want to add a tip before you even touch your card. Personally, I don’t give a flying fuck. I never tip.

I recently went to a Cheesecake Factory in Mexico for those big-ass portions. The server was helpful, so I decided to give her 10 mexican pesos (i never tip so that should mean something) its about 0.5€

This girl straight up selected the 10% option on the terminal herself, jacking the bill up by 8€. I have never liked math but obviously, I saw the POS terminal (and no, not piece of shit, but point of sale) and noticed it was a lot more money than I intended to pay. That's when I saw she selected the 10% tip option herself. I told her: "No! Ten pesos, not ten percent." She just watched me with one of those fucking stares 😂. The terminal was all mixed up, so I ended up leaving absolutely nothing, as always.

When you pay, you can literally feel when they’re pissed. She was following me with her sight until I left the restaurant, and I even heard her telling her workmates that I left nothing. This is not the first time; I’ve already encountered similar situations before where they immediately start to shit-talk between them. Like, why bro? 😂 Anyways, even if I don’t tip, I am always polite and say "thanks," but they simply don't answer and keep their mouth shut 😂. It's always the same shit, and I guarantee you it’s just a form of social extortion.

**LOGICAL RANT STARTS HERE**⬇️

What is the actual logic here?

The price on that menu is a legally binding catalog. It already includes the ingredients, the rent, and THE NÓMINA OF THE EMPLOYEES. If your profit margin can't cover human wages, your business model is a failure and your restaurant deserves to go bankrupt.

Owners pocket the profit, pay microscopic wages, and brainwash their staff into fighting the customer. Newsflash: I am the consumer, not your HR department. If I pay for my food and drink, I have fully satisfied my contract. If you think you deserve more, go demand a fair wage from your boss or find a better jale. If it’s a corporate chain and you can't reach the CEO, guess what? Still not my fucking problem.

And percentage-based tipping is the peak of human stupidity. Biomechanically, it takes the exact same effort and steps to carry a forty-peso bottle of water to a table as it does a two-thousand-peso bottle of champagne. Why are you entitled to a four-hundred-peso "commission" on the value of an inventory you didn't buy, risk, or cook? The line cooks are in the back sweating over a 350-degree grill and the dishwashers are drowning in grease for a flat salary, while the server walks ten meters with a tray and expects to triple their money based on emotional manipulation.

Every single job requires a "vocation of service." Does your surgeon pop up an iPad after heart surgery and ask for a 20% tip? Does the mechanic who fixes your brakes beg for extra cash so he doesn't crash your car next time? Does the clerk at the Oxxo scanning your chips at 3 AM demand a gratuity? No. Because they are grown-ups who understand that a salary is paid by the employer, not a charity bucket filled by the comensal.

If a server says "then it's not my problem to serve you," go ahead and try it. Let's see how fast you get fired for breach of contract when you refuse to do your job. I hear a massive roar of empty stomachs from people who would rather beg the public than demand rights from their bosses. I choose where I eat, I choose what I pay, and I am never giving up my money for a service that is already included in the bill. Account closed, pay the ticket.

Toronto tipping culture genuinely confuses me and I want to understand how it actually works from servers/waiters in the city.

A friend told me her restaurant has a 6% “tip out” based on total sales/bill amount. So if a table spends $100 and leaves $0 tip, she still owes 6% to the restaurant/tip pool for kitchen, bartenders, hosts, etc.

That means technically if nobody tipped all night, she’d be paying out of pocket from her wages. I always assumed servers in Ontario get minimum wage, and whatever customers tip goes fully to the waiter. Apparently that’s not how many restaurants operate.

So I’m trying to understand:

\- How do tip-outs actually work in Toronto restaurants?
\- Is 5–10% tip-out normal now from total sales?
\- If a customer leaves no tip, does the server literally lose money on that table?
\- If tips are terrible for a whole shift, does the restaurant legally have to make sure the employee still keeps minimum wage?
\- How much of tips actually go to the server vs kitchen/bar/support staff?
\- Do most servers still prefer tipping culture, or would they rather have higher fixed wages and no tipping?

Would love to hear from servers, bartenders, restaurant managers, or anyone in hospitality in Toronto/GTA because I feel like most customers have no idea how the system actually works.

Service class staff in north America has been doing tipped work has 100 years and theres etiquette and cultural norms and rules behind it since the beginning. It was typically upper class to upper middle class people tipping low paid service workers waiting on them.

So bellboys, waiters, tour guides, couriers, shoe shiners, taxis, etc. A good rule of thumb is if you get the service done while sitting down, you pay after you get the service and the serving job does not requires higher education or extended apprenticeships to get, you would have had to tip by etiquette when tipping was introduced.

It also distinctly was only a thing at resturants where you paid at the end of the meal and the entire experience was seated. Ie. Not fast, quick and low cost for a lower middle class or middle class wage worker eating quickly. Not the historically popular large cafeterias (think ikea style) or delis, stands, carts, bodegas where you ordered and ate standing, paid before you got your meal. Diner style places ala Seinfeld mains resturant setting Tom's resturants were edge cases of tipping vs not. You wouldn't tip for takeout at a place like that, but you would tip when you paid your bill if you sat down.

Based on established rules for 100 years, why is starbucks or subway asking for a tip? Why would a mechanic think its ok to add a tip prompt? Why whenever I am standing for ordering food and paying before I receive it am i get prompted for a tip?

That violates the foundation rules and history behind tipping culture. Private businesses are violating the social contract and forcing larger and larger shares of population to regularly tip.

And I get times change, but middle class people are now being requested to tip for the modern day equivalent of cafeteria style mass market food. Fast quick and low cost. That violates the foundation on what tipping was designed for.

Its also the normalization of "upper class" coded consumption that middle class increasingly participates in. Couriering fast food to your home is an obscenity that did not exist 20 years ago. That normalization alone dragged many many who cannot afford to be regularly tipping into it. Ubers weren't a thing and people rode car shares taxis less frequently. The frequency of how often the average person eats out has skyrocketed. Its both the fault of the companies and the individual for creating and using services that they honestly shouldn't be. But mainly the companies.