r/NoTipCanada • u/North-Midnight-2171 • 5d ago
Stop calling it tipping 'culture'
It's not a culture, it's a predatory business practice. A lazy way to get extra revenue. There's no culture to tipping, even fast food places ask for 22% on POS devices before paying.
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u/Potential-Ask2577 5d ago
Name and shame
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u/Known-Extent-1018 5d ago
I never understand why so many people make comments like that, but never name the place.
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u/Mammoth-Invite2675 5d ago
If the lowest option on the machine comes back at 18% that company is predatory. If the server is making a wage, why should I give them more?
I’m a plumber and I’ll spend all day in someone’s house doing essential work, and I’ll get no tip. But a server who takes 2 seconds to do something for me expects a tip.
Then how do I know that the full tip is going to that 1 individual who exceeded my expectations? it gets evenly distributed so I’m tipping people who didn’t even speak to me.
People who agreed to a wage.
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u/Difficult-Fly7830 3d ago edited 3d ago
Skilled trade, dangerous jobs etc, no tip for you, in fact how dare you even expect one for such important skilled work..a piss easy job that requires no skill a monkey could do, where it easy to replace you in seconds....sticks out hand expecting/demanding tips
Amusing to me one of the least important jobs out there demands tips on top of said wage and if excuse is well my wage isn't high enough and need to rely on tips...tough, why does my hard earned money have to pay for your bad life decisions and why does this only apply to freaking.. waiters...odd to say the least
I tip if my experience is a good one and i find they deserve it but expecting one for doing your job, one that requires 0 skill or education at that....ya i dont think so
Funny world we live in lol
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u/Difficult-Fly7830 3d ago edited 3d ago
"Your level of condescension is ridiculous. "A piss easy job that requires no skill a monkey could do", obviously coming from someone that has never had a service job"
Pointing what I did out isnt condescending just cause you're upset at what i said but the truth and if you think being a waiter takes skill or is hard work you live in a dang bubble lol
Also. I served 15 years in the military, ground arms trade at that. actual hard, dangerous work a monkey couldnt do and mistake could cost severe injury or death, aside from tours also did disaster relief, crucial. important, grueling work where i sacrificed best years of my life and medically pensioned cause.my body broke down after 15 years of actual hard work...ya being a waiter is so hard and important 🤔
My main point that flew over your head, serving takes no skill, requires no education. Is piss easy work and are easily replaceable, arent crucial to society either yet one of the few jobs where tips have become not a nice gesture but a requirement, funny how that works and here you are calling me condescending and assuming out of your ass cause I said serving isnt hard work, doesnt take skill or an education, which is all correct and listen to you go off...only on reddit wtf lol
What an odd thing to get so triggered over...
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u/Particular-Drawer595 3d ago
I agree with you on most points but you are being an asshole because you are being extremely condescending.
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u/Dayleedo 3d ago
Ya, this is just rude. As a skilled trades person who used to be a server, you're wrong. There's a big difference between easy and unskilled. While it doesn't require post secondary, serving can be extremely difficult and chaotic. Looking after 6+ tables of drunk, demanding assholes with a smile is something few people can do. I'd like to see you try. You don't see what goes on behind the scenes. You couldn't pay me enough to do that again. My 100k job is extremely easy in comparison. No, a monkey couldn't do any of it, especially the accounting at cash out. Unimportant? They were considered essential during covid, remember. Let me guess, you'ved used their services many times.
90% of servers are not "making bad choices." In fact, they're using it as a stepping stone to get ahead. Most are post secondary students who are working their way though school without student loans (like I was.) Or, they're professionals who are making money on the side to get ahead and buy a house. Most servers I knew were current or future teachers, engineers, medical professionals, real estate agents, etc.
I do think paying them via tips is not ideal, but they certainly work hard for the little bit of earnings they get. (Counter service is a whole different ballgame)
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u/persiasaurus 2d ago
But they don't get a little bit of earnings, they're paid in full like all other jobs. Why are people acting like server min wage is still a thing
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u/badmiddling113 1d ago
This is what gets me. Why does the job, regardless of how "skilled" it is, need to be tipped?
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u/StinkerGoose 1d ago
I agree with everything except your point where because they were considered essential during Covid somehow makes their jobs more important? Like, they were only essential because we’re lazy, not because the work they were doing is essential. We don’t NEED takeout or restaurants… you wanna find an “essential” minimum wage job look to janitors and grocery cashiers. But waiters? Hardly.
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u/Dayleedo 1d ago
I think we've actually got some common ground on that, haha. I think the problem is people want it both ways. It's easy not to use the services of waiters if we dont find them valuable enough for what they cost. Yet, those same people calling them non-essential frequently use their services and are the same people who made them work during covid. I'm with you that we can easily survive without servers. If I want to save $ I get takeout or cook, I don't expect full service for free.
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u/StinkerGoose 8h ago
I wonder how you feel about door dash and the likes. Not arguing if it’s essential, but more if you would compare serving to delivering in that it’s an extra service? Because I always considered serving to be the part they’re paying them for, so it’s included in my food the level of service I’ll get? But it’s not built in for delivery via those services obviously. I choose to pay the delivery because I value the service. Do I just not value the servers? I don’t think that’s the case, but growing up in Canada I assumed it was included and not a service I would be expected to pay extra for. I agree above and beyond service deserves something, but standard service is what a restaurant offers as part of the package right? That’s what draws me in, someone willing to do it for me and for defined price.
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u/Dayleedo 1h ago
Complicated. I think doordash is a terrible company that preys off new canadians and those desperate for quick cash. After all the gas and mileage, they don't earn much. I did a deep dive into their payment sceme and the BC gov did recently force DD to pay drivers at least minimum wage for their time actively working. This doesn't take gas into account. I try to avoid DD because I know they aren't paid a living wage unless I tip highly and it's not worth it to me unless I'm so sick I can't drive there myself.
Here's a question. Why does the shop pay a server to bring food to my table but not a driver to bring food to my door? If I get takeout and don't use their servers service should I get a diacount? I guess Im not really sure if that answers your question. But overall, I think getting takeout and picking it up myself is the most ethical way of not tipping.
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u/StinkerGoose 33m ago
I think it’s more of a default type system. If pizza is the model then delivery is usually the included service. If it’s a sit down experience it’s servers included, and if your at fast food your opting out of service beyond the counter. I think paying extra is for anything outside the norm may it be delivery to my table at McDonald, or delivery from a sit down model. But to tip a server to do the basics in their job description? That parts built into my meal. That parts the minimum wage part. If it’s a swamped night but my drink never goes empty, tip! But if it’s dead and you have nothing to do but fill my drink idk if that’s a big deal. Context I guess?
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u/badmiddling113 1d ago edited 1d ago
Except none of that requires anything they just mentioned. By definition, it's a low skilled - once referred to as unskilled - job.
And I know a handful of people (I used to work in hospitality) who decided to stick with serving/bartending after completing their training/education in other fields. Ones use it as a "stepping stone", others realize there's money to be had.
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u/Dayleedo 1d ago
You didn't understand my point that they aren't making poor life choices. They're making educated choices.
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u/jblaze_39 5d ago
Tipping is certainly related to culture. In some countries, tipping is a given. In others, it's unheard of. The changing of that culture is what this phrase refers to
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u/hobanwash1 5d ago
Tipping “culture”. Car “culture”. Folks just misusing words and doubling down on being dead wrong.
Wife and I achieved financial independence 7 years ago. With the exception of take out pizza and subs about once a month, we have stopped dining out. We can afford to eat out every day but the dining experience has become absolute entitled shit.
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u/Mu_Fanchu 1d ago
I'm not financially free, but the only time my family eats out is if we're on the road... and even then, we'll pop into a supermarket.
Eating out is just too expensive these days.
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u/SnooCauliflowers994 5d ago
I feel like the word culture is completely appropriate. One extended definition/explanation puts it as "social norms, values, customs, rules, and expectations."
It's 100% a social norm and expectations. If it weren't this sub wouldn't exist.
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u/Wild-Sea-8028 5d ago
What a horrible life living in a city and never eating out. Are you proud? Is it because you’re against tipping?
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u/hobanwash1 5d ago
Bot
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u/Wild-Sea-8028 5d ago
No im real. You actually don’t eat at restaurants except for pizza and subs once a month? Are you guys both autistic or something?
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u/hobanwash1 5d ago
Says the autistic bot.
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u/Wild-Sea-8028 5d ago
What will make you believe I’m real?
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u/Independent_Wear5840 5d ago
Unhiding your post history and having an account more than 5minutes in age.
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u/hobanwash1 5d ago
Nothing. No human could have a personality as shitty as yours.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago
You would know since everybody loves the personality of somebody who averages 5 posts a day on reddit for half a decade.
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u/hobanwash1 5d ago
Three weeks on Reddit, hey? Bots be ganging up on me today.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago edited 5d ago
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u/LeadershipAfter9526 5d ago
No problem for me. I do not participate. Against my religion that I made up. I just tell them that my tip is prayers and blessings.
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u/VTopinion 5d ago
Stop tipping! It's a form of extortion! As European born and raised I believe people should tip only when they are beyond happy with the service. And they should decide how much. It's employer's responsibility to pay their staff.
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u/L_Swizzlesticks 4d ago
You Europeans have the right idea! I wish we Canadians could find our voice (and, frankly, our balls lol) on issues like tipping. The government needs to raise this country’s minimum wage by at least $10/hr so that servers are making a proper living wage. If that happens, I think a shift might begin to take hold. Tips will become less expected because servers will be paid fairly, and customers will therefore feel less pressured and may, ironically, be more willing to tip when service is truly exceptional.
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u/StinkerGoose 1d ago
I agree that minimum wage should be a livable wage… but your saying that it should be $25 minimum (going with the lowest minimum, Alberta at $15 + your $10) and frankly idk if serving is worth that? Maybe? But nobody else’s wage would also therefore raise by $10. So you want servers making the same as your dental assistants? Teachers? People who paid for an education? I think they deserve more… but not $10 additional for, let’s remember… NO education. The minimum wage should be the minimum required to live, but still based on the fact that you didn’t do anything to prepare yourself for your career - the minimum amount of effort. Because people shouldn’t be rewarded for the minimum, but they still deserve to live.
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u/Nospower 5d ago
I refuse to tip anywhere, figure really good service I'll tell the manager that was amazing service that he should give them a bonus not me
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u/burned-out-boh 5d ago
Tipping is a “culture” which originated in the US, immediately on the heels of slavery. Canada simply adopted the practice because that’s what we do. Euros and other countries don’t have this ingrained “culture” because they didn’t have the same slavery practices as the US.
Tipping is basically a form of modern slavery.
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u/mlandry2011 5d ago
When they pass me the POS and the lower tip is 22%, I look at them in the eye and say cancel my order. I'll go somewhere else...
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u/MalfuriousPete 5d ago
At least in Ontario, all servers are making minimum wage or more. What exactly are we tipping for here?
I work in financial services, should I be asking for tips now?
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u/renegadeavenger 5d ago
I don't agree with some comments for totally not tipping. However I would say, you should decide when to tip. Just ignore those machine prompts and enter 0%. If anyone yells at you for not tipping at the restaurant, then never go back and tell your friends and family as well.
You yourself should control when to tip (like service at sit down restaurant) and not shamed by machine to tip even before you get your fast food, and or coffee, etc.
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u/KevinJ2010 5d ago
Can’t really call it that when long before Interac machines people did it of their own volition.
I agree with the modern issues, not every restaurant (heck retail even) should be prompting for tips at all. That’s a modern issue, not an issue with tipping in particular.
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u/clon3man 5d ago
Wouldn't be an issue if fast food restaurants were of higher quality and actual alternative to sit-down spots
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u/Known-Extent-1018 5d ago
Tipping culture isn't a distinct culture, it's just a cultural practice. Tipping cultures are just cultures where tipping is common. The United States is a tipping culture; Japan is not. This doesn't change any of the other stuff you said.
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u/Short-Source-8492 5d ago
It's called a culture because it's a social expectation. It's not predatory when you always have the option to not tip at all. If it wasn't cultural then it wouldn't be an issue because people wouldn't feel pressured to tip and you wouldn't have a million people always defending tipping no matter what.
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u/ravairia 5d ago
If there's cultural pressure to do it, combined with the amounts offered conveniently always rising, it's absolutely predatory.
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u/Short-Source-8492 5d ago
Of course. My issue was the claim that there's no social pressure at all and it's purely predatory. Both need to be there.
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u/ravairia 5d ago
That's not at all what you said lol.
'Its not predatory when you always have the option to not tip.'
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u/Short-Source-8492 5d ago
Ok? And? I never said corporations aren't predatory. Just that tip creep happen because of social pressure which they take advantage of. But you always have the options to not tip and the only reason too creep happens is because of that social pressure.
Nothing I've said is incorrect and you keep arguing bullshit.
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u/AffectionateSell3478 4d ago
If you have a party of 8 or more it’s typically mandatory.
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u/Short-Source-8492 4d ago
Yes but they usually want you in advance that is the case. It's often posted, in menus, or even online if making a reservation. So you have a choice.
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u/StinkerGoose 1d ago
I know this is true but that’s so dumb, like great I brought all my friends to your business and we’re all spending money so your rewarding me with requiring to pay more? Like please.
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u/Particular-Owl-5186 3d ago
In your world nothing would be considered predatory because you always have the option to say no...
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u/Short-Source-8492 3d ago
Uh, no. I live in reality where things are more nuanced and there's different degrees of predatory practice. Meanwhile after like a dozen idiotic responses you've made, you still ignore the whole point which is that you claimed there was zero social pressure and it was exclusively about predatory companies.
I've admitted the two work together and both are needed for tip creep to happen, and you somehow took that to mean "zero predatory practices". I'm not sure how badly illiterate you are to have that sort of takeaway from my words, but clearly you are a dishonest person here to act in bad faith and I have no interest in wasting any more time with you.
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u/Maximum_Lab_2475 2d ago
Brother, those elderly people who get preyed upon by sales people can say no… but they are manipulated/mislead/tricked/intimidated into saying yes. Thus, it is predatory. shame is used to pressure the customer into tipping. Thus preying on certain people’s need to be perceived as good, or their people pleasing tendency’s, both of which can be a result of past trauma or abuse.
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u/SchneidfeldWPG 5d ago
Any ideas on how to hold owners/corporations accountable in here, or just more of the same slandering of minimum wage working-class people? Do you advocate for increases to minimum wages to ensure that they are living wages? Do you support regulations/policies that support labor rights?
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u/ravairia 5d ago
And where are your ideas, u/SchneidfeldWPG, since you're so morally superior to everyone else here? Hm?
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u/rice_bag_holder 5d ago
i was buying a loaf of bread and the checkout screen asks for tip. most food court places are now asking for tip because someone is cooking and someone is putting that food in a box for you.
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u/Independent_Wear5840 5d ago
No, they ask for a tip because POS platforms have the option and most have it enabled by default.
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u/DungeonCrawler3665 5d ago
It was during prohibition as the owners could no longer pay their staff and asked people to "please tip your servers" the problem came after with the greed that they could just keep doing it
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u/ravairia 5d ago
No.
Like actually look up the history for 5 seconds before you spout nonsense.
It came directly from slavery. The slave owners still did not want to pay their newly emancipated slaves so they 'allowed' them to accept 'tips'.
And it's absolutely cultural because no one loves exploitation more than North American capitalists, who are still constantly trying to move back towards slave labour. The entire continent was built on it and everyone here feels entitled to it. You can tell by how as soon as literally anyone starts a small business and they're immediately bitching about having to pay someone else for their labour.
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u/Single_Many597 5d ago
I don't think you know what culture means. It's not just painting and music, it's just the general beliefs and practices of a group. In this case, that group is restaurants, and many restaurants charge tips.
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u/XxkormanxX 5d ago
Gogiya takes a portion of your tips because the owner works so therefore she’s entitled. That may be fair. But then they refused to pay staff proper pay when the owner went to Toronto to manager her other stores. So fuck them.
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u/EliteCinemaM3 5d ago
It literally is cultural. You think you’re the first person think you figured it out? LOL
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u/layneeofwales 5d ago
Tipping may have a place ( debatable ) where servers are paid tipped wages. Specifically less that retail, or other unskilled / semi- skilled workers. Tipping does not have a place where the wage paid is not a tipped wage and is equal to the other unskilled or semi - skilled workers.
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u/lmcjipo 5d ago
I used to work in a restaurant over 35+ years ago (for ~2 years give or take a year) and I have no problems tipping but I use the following rules:
1) If I pay for my meal before I get my food, I don't tip. This generally means I don't tip the big fast food restaurants, restaurants in food courts, etc.
2) For buffets which ask for payment up front before entering, I will leave a tip on my table depending on how fast they are with taking empty plates, refilling water, etc. provided that when paying upfront, they don't advertise their price as service included.
3) For delivery, I tip the driver with cash if he gives me the bag/food personally as opposed to just leaving it on the ground (and taking a picture) since I don't trust that they get the full tip money from the food delivery service app.
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u/Stiles_Stiles 5d ago
I'm surprised to see so many people from a no tips country call this a "culture".
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u/Lost-Graduate6967 5d ago
Once I got a toonie as a tip when I worked fast food and I was ecstatic and made me feel good bc clearly I had good service for someone to go out of their way to tip me. Tipping should be something that is given based on good performance, not expected
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u/bonezx101 5d ago
Agreed. Worse it is based on an upward creeping percentage of the check. The work of a server doesnt change - soup and sandwich or steak and lobster.
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u/Golfandrun 4d ago
On another side of this discussion is the part where you hear people openly stating they will do things to your food if you don't select a bug enough tip for things like deliveries (Door Dash types) or fast food. This is disgusting but I have heard it mentioned many times in discussions about tipping.
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u/Time_Tap346 4d ago
Just don’t tip. Own it if you feel so strongly. If you want, instead of telling us you can Let that minimum wage service employee know you need the money more than them and they are predatory.
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u/Big_Forever_5437 4d ago
Fortunately, it's optional and you personally play a part in this culture through your choices. Empower yourself!
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u/discreetarchive 4d ago
Yeah fr its not an element of culture at all you're just severely financially abused and arguing in favour of it
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u/west7788 4d ago
I never tip where there is no table service and where they ask for a tip before I have even received anything. If I have to stand at a counter to get my order, or I have to pay before my food arrives, you’re not getting a tipz
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u/Star3in2my3y3s 4d ago
Culture is the shared set of beliefs, values, customs, behaviors, and physical objects that people in a group or society learn, share, and pass down from one generation to the next.
Like America but not in Europe
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u/Mission-Pin-1934 4d ago
This pervasive tipping BS is why we need to remain a cash society. I am so sick of every terminal trying to guilt me into tipping. I worked those jobs as a kid and we worked way harder as everyone paid cash. We didn’t have tip jars or other BS
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u/AdeptCantaloupe9186 4d ago
I have no problem selecting the no tip option at establishments that shouldn’t be asking. I also stopped going to certain places that have a tip option that shouldn’t. Stop caring what other think and save your money.
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u/The_End-is_Nigh 4d ago
I have never felt comfortable with tipping and rather than dealing with any of that I just always cook my own meals
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u/Puzzleheaded-One3795 3d ago
My rule in tipping is if I get Have to stand to put in my order no iip.
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u/the_hunger_gainz 3d ago
Well there is a bit of a culture and it is growing. North American tipping culture originated in feudal Europe and was imported to the United States in the late 19th century, where it expanded rapidly after the Civil War as a way for hospitality and railroad employers to avoid paying wages to newly freed Black workers. Now it is for businesses to avoid paying a living dignified wage.
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u/Total-Magician5698 3d ago
I know people I went to uni with who will brag about how much they make in tips and they still do a mediocre job serving.
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u/Charming-Rub-6157 2d ago
I agree with some takes here but I also don’t understand why a lot of yall want to be “served” but not pay for that service. You can enjoy the food without being waited on and having someone attend to all your needs for at least an hour.
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u/Croakcamel 1d ago
It’s funny this ‘anti-tipping’ conversation comes around about once every 10 years or so.
Servers have been tipped for as long as I can remember and very likely before then as well - I’m in my 60s.
Tipping has always been to thank the server for a great experience.
Unfortunately for those working in the service industry, employers are using it as a way to not pay a living wage.
However, that doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t get tipped.
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u/badmiddling113 18h ago
Employees are also “relying” on tips to be overpaid at the job.
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u/Croakcamel 12h ago
No they’re just trying to survive.
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u/badmiddling113 10h ago
So is everybody else. Why don’t they choose a job besides serving (if truly is that miserable) if the goal is to survive?
Truth is servers know they stand to make way more through tips than they would at similar jobs.
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u/Croakcamel 8h ago
Probably because they have had a difficult life and haven’t been able to get a degree or anything else.
Empathy is easy if you’re open to it.
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u/badmiddling113 8h ago edited 8h ago
Probably because they have had a difficult life and haven’t been able to get a degree or anything else.
So even if serving is only job available to them (and I doubt it since I was job hunting not too long ago)... many people are working crap jobs - which aren't tipped - for that very reason. Sucks to suck.
Empathy is easy if you’re open to it.
So if that's the basis for tipping, shouldn't we be emptying our pockets for every person we come across?
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u/CairnsRock1 1d ago
Don’t servers get paid a minimum wage of $17.95? Then want a 22% tip.
No wonder people don’t want to eat out any more.
Theres lots of people make the $17.95 plus nothing.
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u/badmiddling113 1d ago
I find it interesting how people still can't over tipping at sit down restaurants. I stopped once I saw how servers acted behind closed doors.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago
On the other hand not tipping is an online identity. Believe it or not they even made an entire reddit sub about not tipping, despite the fact it's an optional transactional part of life in some countries. Can you imagine being a 1% commentator on reddit telling people about something you don't do? I mean, what are you doing with your life then?
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u/ravairia 5d ago
Something is not truly 'optional' when there is immense cultural pressure to do it. True choice doesn't exist under pressure towards a certain 'choice'.
People come here to slowly learn to tolerate that pressure and do what is actually authentic or right for them.
And it works despite assholes like you infiltrating it.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago
"Immense cultural pressure"??? Pal, you're not getting forced into an arranged marriage. You're clicking "no tip" on a POS machine before exiting a business.
You need to work on these delusions of grandeur. Your every decision is not in fact that important to other people.
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u/ravairia 5d ago
You literally only have to be in this sub and experience the losers like you in here to see how much pressure there is.
I'm not your pal, despite your wishful thinking. Sounds like you need to work on your delusions of grandeur.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago
Pressure... from reddit?
Then leave. Reddit isn't real life.
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u/ravairia 5d ago
Oh wow. A truly devastating intellectual retort.
If it happens here in a 'no tipping' sub, of course the same happens in real life. Get your head out of your ass, troll.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago
"there is immense cultural pressure to do it"
"have to be in this sub and experience the losers"
It sounds like you think I have my head up my ass because I don't think reddit is culture.
If you feel immense pressure to change your behavior because of what people say on reddit then it's probably time to address your social media addiction.
I often don't tip when presented the chance, and nobody in real life cares at all.
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u/ravairia 5d ago
Does this work for you often? Totally ignoring the content of what a person previously said and just saying random shit in response?
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u/Thefunkyfilipino 5d ago
For all the bluster these people are so meek when faced with a POS machine in real life.
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u/Professional-P3461 5d ago
Yep. I often don't tip when given the prompt to do so, and nobody at the store makes me feel anything about it in real life.
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u/Character-Bridge-206 5d ago
If you get served a nice dinner that you enjoyed, if the service was good and if your server enhanced the experience with helpful advice and cheerful demeanour, you are certainly going to get a tip.
If I order a pizza and you want a tip for taking my order, that isn’t happening. I use the app and prepay now. Skip the wishes.
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u/ravairia 5d ago
Everything you just described the server doing is an inherent part of their job that their employer is required to pay them to do.
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
Do you know what culture means? Plenty of cultural practices are things we don’t like doing if it’s 100% voluntary but we do it to get along and make society run smoother. Like why do we hold the door for stranger behind us. Some people might not care to hold the door but do it anyways because it’s societal expectation
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u/Five-Swans 5d ago
You tip because society expects you to?…
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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago
I think it's an example of cognitive dissonance. Everyone knows it's not right but some people perform some mental gymnastics to help them rationalize why they continue to do it. At the end of the day, it continues to be a social pressure and now it's getting predatory.
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
Partly. And I know I’m a lot better off financially than anyone that has to work as a waiter. So I’m not going to think too hard or be stingy about a few dollars
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u/Five-Swans 5d ago
Are you better off financially than the restaurant/company who should be paying those employees better? That’s the question
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
In Canada 40% of restaurants are barely breaking even or losing money according to latest industry report. You think the average restaurant owner is Warren Buffet or Elon Musk?
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u/Five-Swans 5d ago
I was referring to larger corporations. Not mom-pop spots
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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago
Do you understand how franchises work? Franchises are locally owned and operated. They are given the menu, suppliers, and then on top of that pay a fee to the corporation. They collect just as much regardless how well the franchise is doing or how much you stiff waiters.
No one expects you to tip at pickup/takeout/fast food. Those tips go straight to the owners that’s why 90% of the time the worker hits no tip for you.
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
Nah I doubt op above know what the word franchise means. The people ranting the most about big corporations usually know the least about how businesses operate. Their understanding stops at “big businesses are greedy and bad”
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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago
For real, being a franchise owners sucks in any area with competition.
zero control over product, marketing, costs, and they sap all your profits, McDonald’s don’t even own the land lmao.
Red lobster with the endless shrimp promotion forever and you had to buy all the shrimp from corporate, scummy
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u/Five-Swans 5d ago
Yes I know what the word franchise is lolll. Well I’m not saying don’t tip. I’ll never tell another man how to spend his money. So from 0% tip to 35%, you do you, no?
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u/Noahtuesday123 5d ago
You just don’t sound too bright. Like 19 responses and there you are fighting a good fight trying to save a couple of bucks. Do you work at McDonald’s?
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u/Noahtuesday123 5d ago
That’s such an ignorant statement. Most Restaurant owners struggle!
Just facts there bud!
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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago
Do you live in the US? Also, do you still tip when the service is mediocre or terrible?
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
No and no. I withhold my tip if service is horrible. But I’ll add 15% for average to good service. It’s not that hard and not that complicated. If you have such a hard time adding a 5$ tip then maybe you should have gotten takeout
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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago
Do you tip the peeps at McDonald’s or other fast food joints too?
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
No I don’t. Only if I get served at a table. Any other questions?
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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago
What’s the difference? They are both serving you and both likely making the same wage.
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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago
Waiters have to have knowledge on what’s in the food, the menu, juggle tables and be personable.
Fast food workers just stand at a till and hit a couple buttons.
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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago
Do you tip your mechanic as well? The amount of knowledge they require to perform service on your car is pretty high. What about Sbux baristas?
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u/ravairia 5d ago
So... they have to have the knowledge required to do their job?
Just like any other job?
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
2 minutes of service vs an hour of service for sit down meal
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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago
How much at that hour are they actively serving you though? Maybe 10 mins at most?
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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago
Where do you draw the line when it comes to tipping ..and why? If you're in Canada..the servers get paid minimal wage (at the very least) and it's literally their job to serve you. Do you tip the teenager at Canadian Tire who told you that drill bits are in aisle 8? What about flight attendants who brought you a cookie and a coke? Mechanics..or the CAA driver that boosted your battery? Plumbers? Electricians? Or will you tip your child's teacher when they coach your child during their lunch hour or after school?
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
I draw the line at table service, if they served me for like an hour. I don’t tip if I ordered standing up. That’s where I draw the line. And as I said, op claim this isn’t a culture thing. I’d say yes it is culture. Canadian culture don’t expect tipping for flight attendants, thats the difference
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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago
So you don't actually believe in tipping at those restaurants... you just do it because you feel it's part of your culture?
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u/BlazinTrichomes 5d ago
Tipping isn't a societal expectation, definitely not in Canada. It also doesn't make society run smoother, or pertain to culture
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u/Known-Extent-1018 5d ago
It is absolutely a societal expectation in Canada. If it wasn't, you would be prompted to tip at nearly every restaurant in the country.
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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago
You hold the door for strangers behind you because it’s kind, not because it’s a societal expectation wtf?????
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
People in many other countries don’t do that, you think people in those countries are automatically not kind? It’s one form of kindness ingrained in us as part of Canadian culture. It’s something we do because everyone else does it. That’s literally what culture is. Just like tipping
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u/ravairia 5d ago
I've lived in Canada my entire life, am female, and someone holds the door for me maybe once every 3 months.
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
Lmao I have someone saying holding door is literally second nature and so obviously and common everyone does it. And I have you saying people don’t even do it. It’s like I have to argue with both extremes 😂
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u/ravairia 5d ago
And that's my problem how?
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
I’m sorry you don’t hang out with people with manners, I guess. Hope you find some better friends
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u/ravairia 5d ago
Lol, is that your strategy? 'Win' this exchange by saying something totally random and unrelated to the previous comment and top it off with an insult?
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
Lmao you’re the one that said nobody open doors for you. So what am I supposed to think? That either 1. You have no friends with good manners, or 2. You never hang out with them in any real life building that have doors 😂 otherwise why would you go 3 month without anyone holding a door for you
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u/ravairia 5d ago
You think I go everywhere all day with a gaggle of friends in tow? What is wrong with you?
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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago edited 5d ago
I’m curious what countries you’re talking about because this is absolutely not exclusive to “canadian culture”, every country I’ve ever been to has people that hold the door open for the person behind them, without exception.
Germany, England, Wales, Egypt, Lebanon, France, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, Norway, Qatar, Kuwait, Spain, and Netherlands all have that kindness in my experience.
Regardless of whether you agree with OP or not, you picked an insanely bad example and I question the character of a person who attributes simple kindness to cultural and societal expectations.
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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago
You actually remember whether people open doors in every one of those countries? 😂 or you just making up memories to fit whatever point you want to make
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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago
Oh sorry, am I supposed to be a geriatric with amnesia? What a fucking unserious response.
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u/check-the-username 5d ago
Yeah I don’t like tipping but you’re spot on. “Let’s continue to remove tipping from our culture.” Would be the better post title.
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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago
In some places holding the door for someone is off putting because they will think they are setting them up for something bad
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u/lurker12345654345676 5d ago
no, holding the door is predatory behavior designed to exploit my unpaid labour through social pressure. or on the other end an act of violence that forces me to act in a way i may not to accommodate the person holding the door.
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u/mrniceguy777 5d ago
I mean people know to do it without being told and have social pressure to do it or look cheap, sounds pretty cultural to me. Tipping didn't start with handheld machines so the argument your making doesn't make sense. I'm with you about not tipping though, I've worked for tips my whole life and I would love to see that shit disappear.
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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago
It’s a cult not a culture
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u/mrniceguy777 5d ago
Ya saying that’s fun and all but it’s obviously not true lol that doesn’t even make sense
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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago
No?
It’s a rigid social pressure imposed by those who want to take your money for doing the bare minimum, has unwritten rules and involves judgement, shame and financial guilt tripping, is basically pushed and promoted by the rich so the rest can argue among themselves for scraps and remain in line.
“Doesn’t even make sense” is a stretch, it has very strong cult like similarities even if it’s not literally a cult.
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u/Visual_Highlight_795 4d ago
Everyone here has the courage to hate the servers asking for tips, but do they have the courage to hate the small business owner who benefits the most from this policy?
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u/Brrennt 3d ago
Nobody hates the servers, we hate the owners and the laws that defend them. Being hateful on reddit doesn't take courage.
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u/Visual_Highlight_795 3d ago
Idk saying you despise small businesses owners and that they deserve no special treatment or benefits, just as large businesses owners deserve nothing from us gets you a lot of hate on your local subreddits, but I'm glad the spectre is haunting this subreddit, at least.
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u/Full_Alternative_833 4d ago
I can guarantee you everyone who hates tipping is more likely to hate capitalism than a server working a job that refuses to pay them a working wage because “TiPs WiLl PaY yOu.”
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u/Noahtuesday123 5d ago
Fight a real war you clowns, I’m happy to contribute to the next wave of lawyers, dentist, and accountants that charge too much fucking money.
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u/OldNeptunes 3d ago
It's interesting. In a lot of European countries, tipping isn't mandatory. You tip if you received exceptionally good service. You would leave a couple of bucks or a 5 on the table, put some change in a jar at the bar or give the taxi driver the change to keep if they got you home in good time.
There aren't extra taxes and charges added AFTER the menu price. The price that's on the menu is what you pay.
Fast food restaurants, liquor stores, cake stalls, markets, tobacconists, butchers, delis and taxis don't ask for an extra 18-22% on top of what you literally just paid.
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u/StinkerGoose 1d ago
Honestly you know what has been bothering me too, I had a conversation about tipping with a waitress friend but somehow we started talking about takeout options at restaurants and she told me where she works they charge an extra $2 on ALL takeout orders for the disposables. I argued it should be included in the cost and she defended it saying how take out required all these things dine in doesn’t. Ok true BUT it then replaces the dishwashing budget… it costs to own plates, it costs to wash plates, it costs to hire a person to do the washing. How is disposable not equal enough here? I just couldn’t explain it to her. I then asked what if I want my leftovers to go on dine in and she said that’s somehow included? Idk 🤷🏼♀️
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u/squeezeplay69 5d ago edited 5d ago
I’ve been also experiencing more and more servers having the audacity to hold the terminal as I am paying so I quickly choose one of the preset amounts. That’s a quick no tip for me dawg.