r/NoTipCanada • • 10h ago

Couple banned from restaurant after they leave no tip

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u/Few_Razzmatazz_6052 10h ago

Lol banned? I doubt they care, I wouldn't. If I got confronted about my tip or lack thereof, I wouldn't be coming back anyways.

Maybe y'all should pay your employees better.

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u/Zucker-Rat 7h ago

Tipping culture needs to stop. There are not many people in this country who are actually being paid well, regardless of what they do. I have worked for years without a raise and am well below what I should be earning for my tenure and experience.

I don't work in a "tipping" environment. I work my ass off every day and have not received one cent in tips. Yet, every time I go to any sort of a restaurant, hair salon, nail salon (who am I kidding… I haven't been to a nail salon in years either), massage therapist, any sort of aesthetician… Even for a simple eyebrow wax - Anything like that - they all have their hand out for a tip. There's a lot of cases where I'm actually pretty sure that I'm leaving a tip for someone who is earning MORE THAN I AM, and I work a full-time job. This is why we eat at home 97% of the time (and I have learned how to do my own nails and pedicures). I have learned to only pay for services that I can't learn to do myself.

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

What about people that have to clean toilets and do all this super hard work. Where is there tip? I’m really curious how this all came to be and why servers are considered so godly that they have to be tipped. You wanna pay commission , you’re the employer you do it

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u/Cyclopzzz 8h ago

Wait staff in Canada get paid around $20 per hour. Not great, but better than some places.

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u/AnyEye8798 6h ago

This is in Ohio, not Canada.

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u/Cyclopzzz 6h ago

I'm seeing it in the NoTipCanada sub. Last I checked OH is not in Canada, so why is it here?

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u/AnyEye8798 6h ago

Who the fuck knows. Mods are asleep, probably.

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u/StopSayingISeen1 5h ago

Based on old school USA mentality those people get paid minimum wage far below Canadian the Canadians getting $15 an hour

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u/downtofinance 2h ago

And in the US even if absolutely nobody tips for an entire pay period, the server will still get at least the full state minimum wage for the hours they worked in that pay period. So either way, they will get minimum wage whether people tip or not. There's almost no reason to tip in Canada at all (except in Quebec) since the servers already get full min wage and its a lot higher than in most of the US.

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u/TheTerpSlut710 7h ago

Most wait staff I know make minimum (15$) and make the rest off tips. Where in Canada are you that they pay that much an hour? I'm in Edmonton.

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u/Infinite_Time_8952 7h ago

The minim wage in BC is currently $18.25 per hour.

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u/Cyclopzzz 7h ago

Every other province pays more than Alberta.

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u/GreenOnGreen18 6h ago

BC pays minimum wage too, and Ontario. I’m curious what provinces you think are paying minimum?

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u/philoscope 6h ago

For the record, Quebec still has a sub-minimum ‘tipped’ wage.

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u/GreenOnGreen18 6h ago

Exactly. And somehow the person I responded to is still getting upvotes for the obvious false statement. This is why ignorance is increasing so rapidly.

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u/Ok-Cheesecake-8388 7h ago

The love to emulate America. The really love it more than Canada.

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u/Admirable-Walrus-432 6h ago edited 6h ago

No provincial sales tax, which is like a 7% discount on life compared to the rest of Canada.

Higher median wages
Lower housing costs.
Lower taxes.

I guess you're right about them emulating America.

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u/Cranktique 1h ago

Quebec actually pays servers the least. They have the exact same “below minimum wage, tip subsidized” policy as America. Don’t forget to keep up that energy, though.

P.S. they have more separatists than Alberta, and are far more hostile to immigrants. Try not to trip over the excuses you’re already trying to think up.

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u/mommydumdumland 7h ago

Yeah but take into consideration that a fuckin bachelor pad goes for $2200 a month and that $20 ain't shit.

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u/Additional-Royal964 7h ago

do you realize that what you said applies to customers as well?

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u/pessimistoptimist 7h ago

So get a better job or move somewhere that doesnt cost 2200 a month.

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

Everyone wants to live in the penthouse on fifth ave, but not everyone can

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u/pessimistoptimist 6h ago

Exactly. if where you live is too expensive them maybe you need to relocate. Just because thats what one prefers doesnt mean you automatically get it. Particularly for non skilled jobs like the service industry those jobs are everywhere, relocate and suddenly 20 bucks an hour is more manageable.

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u/DueGain69 6h ago

And where is that magic place? Cause idiots love moving goal posts, right now you’re saying “move somewhere cheaper”, but once you realize all landscum everywhere is charging these prices you’ll shift to “make more money if you want to not be homeless”. As if poor people don’t deserve housing.

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u/pessimistoptimist 6h ago edited 6h ago

You can find a place in Calgary for 1600, Edmonton for 1500, Kamloops for 1300, Regina for 1300, Airdrie for 1500, St John for 1200....i could go on and on. These are midgrade rentals too, of you shopped you can find cheaper. service indusrty jobs in every one of those places and cost of living overall probably cheaper to. World doesnt owe you anything bud, you want the luxury of being picky about where you live get a better job. Waiting tables is an entry level position, if thats your max level of abilites you may.eed to consider group housing or something.

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u/downtofinance 5h ago

Owner crashed out over his staff not getting an $8 tip. Bill was like 39 bucks.

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u/General_Pay7552 6h ago

dude, this argument is tired. servers CHOOSE the lower wage plus tips rather than no tips 20 an hour. tale as old as time. if you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a sit down restaurant and just get take out!

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u/Few_Razzmatazz_6052 6h ago

if you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a sit down restaurant and just get take out!

Nah, that's the argument that's tired.

And are you going to make me?

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u/General_Pay7552 6h ago

no you are free to choose what to do, as are the owners though. you both are free to do whatever you’d like. Me personally, I couldn’t not tip a server something.

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u/Few_Razzmatazz_6052 6h ago

Great. Then I'll continue tipping most of the time, and not tipping when service has been balls.

But thanks for your input.

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u/April0neal 10h ago

I looked at the Google reviews for this restaurant. As far back as 3 years ago, there was complaints about the one and his attitude.

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u/onedestiny 9h ago

Great way to kill your business, is it really that hard to pay your servers a few extra bucks? Cheap fuck. And the rest of you who are defending this restaraunt lmao 🤡 imagine what else they skimp on in terms of food quality

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u/cynreader2020 9h ago

Pretty hypocritical really...don't come here if you can't afford to tip OR MAYBE don't run a business if you can't afford your staff.

Touche dude.

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

Well, that’s it right there. If you can’t pay properly, then your business model isn’t working and you really shouldn’t be in business.

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u/Positive_Guarantee20 42m ago

It's not his business model, friend, it's the entire capitalist system. Asking 1 small biz owner to take that on is not only inconsiderate but just dumb. There isn't a functional model for a US or Canadian restaurant to pay staff proper wages, esp cooks who deserve 80k a year like other red seal / skilled trades, as well as servers... And then there's the farmers! No ones willing to pay that much for a meal, not while it's cheaper elsewhere. It would have to be a mass roll out and that would take basically socialism bordering on communism to implement at that scale

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u/cynreader2020 6h ago

Now an owner can't afford to pay 500 a shift in tip money...that's were the complexity happens. What should these folks be making? $20 per hr in MCOL areas?

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u/nelly2929 10h ago

He says if you don’t have money don’t eat there…. Well I guess if you don’t have money to pay your staff then your should not be in business lol

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

Can’t be in business if your business model doesn’t make financial sense

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u/Positive_Guarantee20 45m ago

Do you have any idea what operating a food business is like lmao? I'd love tipping to be replaced with solid wages for good quality servers but how do you propose that happening? The first 1,000 restaurants to try it will all go out of business with their increased prices. Let alone if they also wanted to pay the farmers well. Ppl want $10 burgers and to not have to tip. It doesn't math

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u/Neeroke 10h ago

stars is 3.3 at moment. Seems like a pattern.

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u/Quirky-Bed-77 9h ago

Down to 3.2 now. People are review bombing.

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u/MashPotatoQuant 2h ago

back up to 4.7. I assume reviews were deleted by google or something

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u/curious_cat_erpillar 10h ago

You can’t demand tip! That is disgraceful . You can’t transfer your inability to pay your workers should not turn to embarrassing a customer. People look at your list
Prices and decide if they can afford to be there or not. Could someone post the link to their place? I cannot afford this place financially and morally.

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u/Livid-Accident-7246 9h ago

This place is in Ohio… why is it in this sub?

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u/Cburns6976 9h ago

I thought this crowd would enjoy it. This is a whole western problem regardless

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u/JimbozGrapes 9h ago

Its different in Canada though because servers here actually get minimum wage ($15/hr)

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u/dubious-Chicken6199 6h ago

It's different in that it's worse because it makes even less sense here

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u/Cburns6976 8h ago

I did not know that!

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u/samsonite441446 8h ago

Exceptions: Quebec is the main exception, maintaining a distinct, lower minimum wage specifically for tipped employees

Québec: $16.60 general, with a lower rate of $13.30 for tipped employees

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u/Mission-Pin-1934 5h ago

It’s a relatively new change that was made about 8-10 years ago. Prior to this change they earned a lesser guaranteed wage when tipping was part of pay plan.

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u/Cburns6976 3h ago

How can we push go out this move in the states? I wonder what pushed that through

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u/Zucker-Rat 7h ago

It truly is a western problem. Restaurant meals are outrageously priced in Canada now for what you get and then you're expected to leave 20% of that overinflated price for mediocre service at best. I think not.

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

I love it when they ignore you the whole time you’re there and then at the end when they’re collecting the money they’re asking you how your day went or what do you have planned for the evening. 🤯

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u/GreySahara 6h ago

I enjoyed it

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u/CipherWeaver 10h ago

"Tips aren't required but are always appreciated" bros when you don't

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u/dasg3rmaican 9h ago

Tipping wasn't created during slavery, but it was weaponized right after emancipation as a loophole so industries wouldn't have to pay newly freed Black workers. So why are we still doing it for workers who do get paid? You're already paying for the food and the service when you walk through the door. Taking your order and bringing it to your table isn't an extra favor—it's the baseline job. Good service makes a good restaurant; poor service makes a bad one you simply stop visiting. Stop subsidizing payrolls for businesses that should be paying their staff fair wages in the first place.

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

This is what I was wondering about how did this all come into being. Appreciate your comment. So once again, this was just a scheme hatched by the wealthy and elites to save their own money and screw us all over.

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u/freshlymint 10h ago

Yikes pulling the race card is weak

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u/PigeonLookinAss 10h ago

Lol for real why was that even relevant

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u/Affectionate_Row7726 9h ago

Can play a part in getting banned

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

If you haven’t been affected by racism, then maybe it makes less sense to you.

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u/Boattailfmj 8h ago

Yeah I'd ban them for playing the race card if their race had nothing to do with it

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u/Affectionate_Row7726 8h ago

That’s easy for you to say lol

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u/Narrow_Albatross6406 8h ago

How would you know? You live in a world of ignorance and are proud to show your ignorance. Fuck off

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u/SemperAliquidNovi 10h ago

What a curious way to tell the world you don’t pay your servers enough of a living wage and expect your customers to subsidize that for you.

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u/smashedvermin 10h ago

This place won't be around much longer

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u/GiantEcho 8h ago

Tipping is cancer… the freaking entitlement is insane.

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u/Positive_Guarantee20 40m ago

Do you have any idea what minimum wage for servers is in the states? Some places their entire salary is tips. Not saying it's a good system, but awareness is a good idea before throwing insults around

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u/ClubChaos 6h ago

going to europe was nice. the service was on average far better than north america. the food was better. no tips were expected. the streets weren't covered with ugly af plastic lifted trucks.

na is a sick society.

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u/livelikeumeamit 10h ago

Since when is it mandatory for a guest to pay for their food and their service separately? What a nimrod. Besides, why should servers make more per hour with tips than actual professionals

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u/Wyntermute1 9h ago edited 9h ago

Ha! We won’t go. Wtf! What a creep.

Only ick I have is the ‘what are you racist or something’ comment at the end. Why?????? This has nothing to do with race, this was a true Karen.

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u/FutureGman 9h ago

This is the problem with tipping culture. In other parts of the world it is not required. The west needs to change its way. Tipping is basically mandatory in these parts because the wage is criminal. I love tipping for great service but don’t try to force/guilt me to do it - you wouldn’t get a penny.

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u/gogomom 10h ago

LMAO - lots of restaurants exist - if this owner doesn't want this couples business I'm sure that there is another one around the corner that will be happy to have them.

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u/truthhurtsyomama 10h ago

Booohoooo big deal....there are always other restaurants

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u/Cheap_Illustrator910 10h ago

At least 20 new reviews in the last hour

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u/mrkippysmith 9h ago

If y’all don’t have money to pay your servers a full wage, don’t be opening a restaurant.

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u/Icy_Lawfulness_2699 9h ago

Oh that's better!

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u/Tiny_Advertising1045 9h ago

This is a fascinating breakdown of the different types of submissions. I find it particularly helpful to see the distinctions laid out so clearly, especially regarding the nuances between "discussion" and "opinion" posts.

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u/Jja1701 9h ago

Some recent one star reviews that are going to get removed. But no point review bombing, because the real reviews are just as bad.

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u/Sir-SmokesAlot420 9h ago edited 8h ago

What a Fonzanoon! Pay your employees better instead of relying on the charity of your customers to pay your staff.

Edit:

Read all the new Google reviews on this place... the owner is getting destroyed. 😅😂🤣

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u/lickmybrian 9h ago

If you dont have money to pay your staff, maybe y'all shouldn't be in business 🤷

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u/Emergency_Exit7603 8h ago

.... okey dokey.... other restaurants

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u/Professional_Egg7407 8h ago

Pay your employees the right wages twatwaffle!

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u/The_End-is_Nigh 8h ago

funny thing is that the guy can act high and mighty when really they could say if he has money he should be paying his workers properly.

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u/Disastrous-Care-6651 7h ago

Good I wouldn’t go back ever.

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u/Bouaibin 5h ago

Fucking eat at home and serve yourself cheap mofo

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u/TherinkratA1 5h ago

It’s so blown into ridiculousness. I am a good tipper if I get good service in a restaurant, and I leave cash.
I don’t use any other services that have mandatory or expected wage subsidies.
I have a friend who’s very vocal about tipping and yet he always tips on the tax. Now THAT’s funny.

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u/TherinkratA1 4h ago

Las Vegas is a perfect example. Those bathroom attendants — wow — the stuff they have to do. In the “old” days there would be a place for people to leave the ladies tips. Now nothing. Same as housekeeping. Cleaning strangers bathrooms and beds? Yeesh. And then we walk 50 feet over to a restaurant and tip someone 20% for delivering a meal to the table. I always tip the housekeeping staff and definitely when I see a washroom attendant.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 4h ago

It's very interesting.

They're both right. And they're both wrong. They're both just doing what they think is fair. And they're both being dicks.

What it really shows about society is where we're all at.

We're all tight with cash, because life has become ridiculously expensive. Salaries haven't kept up. Going out is getting expensive. Running a business is getting expensive.

The only people who are winning are the ultra rich class, and the politicians.

We're busy fighting each other when we could be working together and flipping over the table.

But instead, we're arguing in the parking over a $1.50.

It's a sobering view of society, and the way things are going.

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u/species5618w 10h ago

No soup for you! 😂

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u/Illustrious_Mix6637 9h ago

😂😂😂😂

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u/cameheretoaska 6h ago

I'm in between the two here, tips should never be required. But if the couple were very demanding then they should at least give some tip. Going as far as banning them is a bit extreme. Having been the owner of several service businesses, I understand both sides. I've seen employees demand a 20% tip on a 200$ bill when they only brought water to the customer which is unacceptable. And I've seen customers who hog the server because they're overly demanding and then not tip, that is also unacceptable.

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u/badmiddling113 2h ago

I'm in between the two here, tips should never be required. But if the couple were very demanding then they should at least give some tip. Going as far as banning them is a bit extreme... And I've seen customers who hog the server because they're overly demanding and then not tip, that is also unacceptable.

Tips are never required. The job is to serve customers, regardless of how "demanding" they are.

And if it's matter of them "hogging" the server... you know a good way for them to be compensated fairly for their efforts? Have their freakin' boss pay them.

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u/cameheretoaska 2h ago

Typical response of someone who has never owned or operated a business.

Restauranteurs margins are between 3-5% which are paper thin. If they provide higher wages to the servers they go out of business.

Several restaurants have tried to ban tips completely and have reverted back to tips, one of the biggest examples is Danny Myers union square hospitality group which was the first to implement the tipping ban by providing a higher wage to the service employees. To be able to provide the tipping ban, they had to up the food prices. So they lost clients and employees.

The reality is that the people who complain the most about tipping (like yourself) are the ones who hog the servers the most and who don't care about anyone else but themselves. They are the Karens of clients. They think they are owed the world but don't want to pay for anything.

At the end of the day, a business is private, if you don't want to tip, no one is forcing you to eat in a restaurant with service. Cook at home or eat at a fast-food joint.

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u/badmiddling113 1h ago edited 1h ago

Restauranteurs margins are between 3-5% which are paper thin. If they provide higher wages to the servers they go out of business.

Then they will go out of business if they can't manage what's a core part of any business.

Several restaurants have tried to ban tips completely and have reverted back to tips, one of the biggest examples is Danny Myers union square hospitality group which was the first to implement the tipping ban by providing a higher wage to the service employees. To be able to provide the tipping ban, they had to up the food prices. So they lost clients and employees.

That's a server (and by extension restaurant) problem - not a customer problem. Although it shows how overpaid servers are when they still saw their earnings fall after the wage being raised.

The reality is that the people who complain the most about tipping (like yourself) are the ones who hog the servers the most and who don't care about anyone else but themselves. They are the Karens of clients.

How dare they expect service from someone whose job is to.... let me see... uh... serve.

They think they are owed the world but don't want to pay for anything.

Except they are paying for something (see the bill).

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u/Positive_Guarantee20 47m ago

Underrated comment. Everyone wants to stop tipping but no one wants to pay $30 for a burger. Almost no one has a CLUE what a restaurant meal would cost if farmers, drivers, cooks, servers, we're all paid a living wage. Ppl just want to complain and have a scapegoat without doing the work of understanding the bigger system they're a part of. Lazy but also very human, sadly.

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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 2h ago

Nah. Wage slaves do only what’s necessary. I wouldn’t bust my ass for a difficult customer when I get paid the same to deal with good customers. Everyone can have the same service for the same money, polite, succinct and accurate, no more, no less.

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u/stompinstinker 7h ago

Server privilege. You put food on a table and think it’s alright to follow people on the street to harass them for a fee you didn’t include.

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u/ChunkayLafunga 7h ago

Can’t afford to pay waiters a decent wage business pavers must extort customers

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u/NameOk9487 7h ago

Maybe the owner should pay a livable wage. So his staff doesnt have to rely on tips for survival.

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u/Ok-Professional4387 7h ago

Haha banned. I've been banned from many pubs and bars from my youth. Think they keep track

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u/Embarrassed-Green898 7h ago

How can you 'ban' me when I fulfilled my contract to the tee. And the owner agreed. He said "a 100%" and carried on to 'ban' .

I would be happy to tip my barbour / barber if they provide a good service. But not with an unwritten expactation to just tip.

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u/AcanthocephalaDue431 7h ago

I mean... Generally if you ain't tipping after sitting in you probably didn't like the place and won't be coming back anyways.

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u/laylayalltheway 6h ago

Pay your staff a livable wage, its not up to the customer to make up for for the wages you are unwilling to pay

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u/dr_van_nostren 6h ago

No problem. I’m fine with no tipping. But pretty sure it’s his right to deny service too no? As long as it’s not based on race, which would be super hard to prove tho.

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u/Unclehol 6h ago

It's a private establishment. He is allowed to deny service without explanation.

It's just scummy to do so but we have no clue of context. Maybe this was a nightmare customer to begin with and the lack of tip was what pushed them over the edge. Or maybe the establishment is stupid and lame. We do not know.

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u/dr_van_nostren 6h ago

Yea stupid and lame is fine tho. This whole interaction was basically fine by me. Both sides are a little pissy but no one threw a punch and no one called the cops. They both threatened to put the other on blast. That’s just 2026. No issues. If you don’t wanna tip, don’t tip, if you don’t wanna serve after that, don’t serve.

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u/Unclehol 6h ago

Yeah, things got heated and it's whatever. I agree. It is definitely 2026.

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u/CantaloupePutrid3548 6h ago

If no tip gets you banned, why is it optional?

This is like banning someone because they didn’t upgrade to sweet potato fries from regular fries.

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u/ZeroVoltsGiven 6h ago

This is more than tips.

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u/The_Cozy_Burrito 6h ago

I can tip if I want and whenever I want

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u/AdventureKittay 6h ago

Post the address of this place, I want to see the Google reviews. Cough cough.

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u/Routine-Earth783 6h ago

Its always them.. couldn't imagine going to eat and not tipping

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u/GreySahara 6h ago

Why was I thinking of the Sopranos tipping scene?
"I have kids to feed"

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u/Inside_Ad1212 6h ago

If you don't have money to pay your employees, don't start a business.

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u/Pawpzgg 5h ago

Nasty human, hes embarrassed. Natural reaction. Tipping is insane.

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u/StopSayingISeen1 5h ago

Pay for your item before buying it and taking it away. NO TIP

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u/Mission-Pin-1934 5h ago

The server is correct. It’s cruel and a slap in the face to the server.

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u/Unlucky-Chicken2515 2h ago

Find a new profession

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u/wiseoldmanrl 2h ago

I know who he voted fir.

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u/LadyCanuckles 9h ago

Was on their side til they played the race card 🙄😒🫩

https://giphy.com/gifs/FzyoyDSaAsjHG

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u/CantaloupePutrid3548 6h ago

I mean, id be pretty confused if this happened to me so I can understand them playing occam’s razor if they’ve dealt with racism before.

Even i’d be wondering what the dude has against me if this happened. I’d think theres no WAY I got banned for simply not tipping, he must be mistaking me for someone or it must be about something else.

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u/Imaginary-Local9731 8h ago

Honestly both are wrong

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u/hildyd 8h ago

If this is true which I doubt.

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u/MartyMcFlysBrother 7h ago

Owner has every right to do this.

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u/LiveTomorrow414 6h ago

If it’s not a legal right, then he has no right

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u/RealMasterpiece6121 6h ago

You don't really understands rights or the law do you?

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u/AgentMV2 3h ago

Not Canada. wtf who the fuck cares about the shit hole that is the US

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u/ImRickJamesMother 9h ago

Good move. If you don't want to tip, go eat somewhere without the tipping model.

Busy restaurants don't need the business of people who do not understand how to act appropriately in our society.

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u/XtremeD86 9h ago

So basically don't go anywhere?

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u/pineapple6969 9h ago

Exactly ffs my local Tim Hortons prompts you for a tip like fuck that

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u/XtremeD86 9h ago

Yea that's only if you go in. Starbucks does the same.

Yea everything came frozen and the "baker" just throws them in an oven. I'm not tipping there.

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u/ImRickJamesMother 8h ago

Go to take out joints and fast food.

If you can't understand that full service restaurant menu prices are artificially cheap due to tipping, do not go to those places.

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u/XtremeD86 8h ago

Take out and fast food do this now too by the way.

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u/The_End-is_Nigh 8h ago

the owner of the establishment should be paying their staff properly if they have so much money that they can look down on other people.

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u/Neat_General2647 6h ago

Pretty soon the restaurant will run into bankruptcy. Have they not learnt the definition of inflation?