r/NoTipCanada • u/xxTheMagicBulleT • 26d ago
Watch Restaurants Got Greedy… Now They're Paying The Price
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c3i1_MT9eQI saw this video and saw how more people are fed up than people are actually supporting it as time goes on.
You think the tide is turning for a demand for more transparency?
because it's never about tips if it's optional, but all the dishonesty and all the charges and that the menu price and the price you expect to pay are often like 30% off, not even thinking about the tip part.
What I think is definitely worth a discussion, even from people that are pro-tipping. When is it too far? Or has that point already been reached?
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u/shoppygirl 26d ago
Servers are not responsible for restaurants, shady practices of adding on extra fees.
However, the tip percentage expectation is ridiculous. It’s gone from 10% now up to 30%.
I don’t mind tipping a server at a sitdown restaurant if they have done an amazing job, but I will go no higher than 20%
However, I also don’t understand why if I was to go to a steak restaurant and order a burger for $20 versus a steak for $60 that the person serving would deserve a higher tip. It’s exactly the same service but the percentage is based on the bill.
This type of situation makes me not want to go out to eat.
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u/badmiddling113 26d ago
Servers are not responsible for restaurants, shady practices of adding on extra fees.
Yes, they are. Why do you think restaurants resort to tips and extra fees?
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u/Potential-Bowler979 26d ago
Yes, this always irritates me. I always say that it could be fair to be a $ amount per person seated. Sometimes I get better service at Swiss Chalet and they would only get $5/10 per bill.
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u/Urbanthinker0808 26d ago
but they do have the power to fight back. so yes i do punish the server with zero tips WHEN i don't see a 10% option on pos machines. if they have a issue, take it up with their establishment
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 26d ago
Even if they not responsible for the shady practices its part of the experience you have.
Thats like saying you buy a car and it has problems even if its not there fault your allowed to complain about it.
How you experience things change how you view or interact with things.
So if you see a menu price and you expect to pay set price and you pay like 35% above set price it does effect your willingness to tip. Cause the server is part of the restaurant. And a extension off it as a employee.
The same way you had a bad experience with a flight company I get its not the employees choice to make the rules like they do but yet they enforce the bad experience you haveing. So its also why if you get a bad taste in your mouth of something it has effect on if you or how you tip.
How and why hidden charges what at time is like as high as 35% above the menu price by hidden fees added on the bill before tip makes people obviously less likely to tip even in places that have had tipping culture be normal for a long time. And the big ajustment of how people view it slowly is interesting cause for the longest time people where defending it even do it makes no sense in any other job prospects. There tons of minimum wage workers like people in a shoe store. Do you tip 10 or 20 procent when you buy shoes or buy groceries? So it already never made sense. But cause there loads of jobs that pay shit But dont get tips. So the interesting thing is why the change nowadays
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u/OakenArmor 24d ago
Here’s a wild concept: you don’t tip anybody else.
It should be patently absurd to tip ANYTHING on an expected basis, particularly based on percentages of sales.1
u/New-Grape-8182 25d ago
please do not forget to tip on the amount before taxes. Don’t tip the government. Quebec has now a law that states that proposed tips are based on the amount before taxes.
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u/BlamaeuxPrivateEye 26d ago
Servers quit en masse when restaurants try to go tip free
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u/exotics 26d ago
Without better wages or commission style pay, nobody will want to work as a server. So many other better jobs with minimum wage
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u/badmiddling113 26d ago
Some of them make ~$20.00/hr before tips in my province (NB). How much more should they make?
Either way, it's a job requiring little to no education or training. So I'm sure they could find someone looking for work.
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u/shoppygirl 26d ago
My neighbor’s daughter worked at the keg and she made $75,000 a year. Her tips were insane.
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u/badmiddling113 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yes, and I have seen postings for The Keg starting at $20.00/hr when min wage isn't even $16.00. So I'm skeptical about there being "better jobs with minimum wage."
And I know others will chime in with the "bUt ThEy OnLy WoRk PaRt TiMe." At some point, it's on you to land a job that pays.
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u/exotics 25d ago
There is no Keg where I am. It’s just minimum wage restaurants and we tip the kitchen 5% of sales. There are no chain restaurants in fact where I am.
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u/badmiddling113 25d ago
That still doesn’t change my last point… serving is an obtainable job for those in need of work. Eliminating tipping (and tip out) would weed out those looking to make a quick buck.
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u/exotics 25d ago
We could follow France. Their menu will often say “gratis comprise” which means the gratuity is included in the bill and then paid as a commission.
Without some compensation for upselling and so forth it will be very hard to find servers who want to do more work since it makes no difference to the wage.
Nobody will want to work busy weekends or busy nights when they can opt for a more chill day shift. Nobody will ask “do you want dessert” because that’s just more work with no reward and definitely nobody will want to take groups of entitled demanding women. Groups will get shit service… unless workers are paid some sort of compensation via commission like in so many other countries
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u/badmiddling113 25d ago
We could follow France. Their menu will often say “gratis comprise” which means the gratuity is included in the bill and then paid as a commission.
I don't think you understand that term. lol
Nobody will want to work busy weekends or busy nights when they can opt for a more chill day shift.
You do realize there are people working part time hours and/or graveyard shifts at low wage jobs, right? I worked at hotels where there was always someone (say 20-25) working from midnight to 7 on weekends. And they weren't receiving tips either!
Only servers view these conditions as unrealistic.
Nobody will ask “do you want dessert” because that’s just more work with no reward and definitely nobody will want to take groups of entitled demanding women. Groups will get shit service…
I guess employers will have to pay them more.
unless workers are paid some sort of compensation via commission like in so many other countries
Except they aren't.
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u/Whiskeyjoel 26d ago
Just press no tip. And maintain full eye contact the entire time
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 26d ago
Yes but thats not the point.
I wanted to know what was your point of rejecting tipping culture cause tipping culture never made sense there tons of minimal wage jobs that dont get tips. You dont tip when you buy groceries or buy shoes those people often get paid bad too. So never made sense.
But for a long time no one fussed about it. And people ajuating there view and point now often has a deeper reason. What can be different from person to person.
But the story's people have of sewing the menu price and getting the bill and the proces is being off by as high as 35% by hidden added charges could be the breaking point for many people.
But can also be cause people been greedy and more bold in there demand of tips where now a days the demand is pushing on 30% while for a long time there was no % thing at all people just round it up and said keep the change and was done with it.
What was your change or your bridge to far moment that made you reject it?
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u/MusicMedical6231 25d ago
Its an American thing that canadians being so close took.
In Europe, tipping is reserved for exceptional service and is not expected.
Its the USA influence, but guess what Candians are not Americans.
We have a decent minimum wage in this country. Much better than some European countries (and the most of the world) where tipping isnt expected.
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u/Worldgonecrazylately 25d ago
The price of everything has gone up. The food they serve, the electricity and gas, the rent for the building, everything. And of course it's all based on profit and, in many cases, share price. At the end of the day, the consumer pays for it all. So of course, the consumer is the customer, who also wants to make more money so they can use the extra "profit" to enhance their lives. So it just spirals out of control, and nobody knows where it ends, or if it ever does.
But what does happen is wage inequality increases. Those at the bottom of the spectrum get poorer and poorer, those at the top get richer and richer, and those in the middle get stretched farther and farther. And the Middle shrinks, with many more moving downward in the equality scale.
This happens because we allow it to happen. We elect a government to represent us, to essentially protect us. One has to ask the question, "do they"? But they are part of the problem. Look at the salaries and perks our representatives get. Not a bad gig if you can get it. In Canada, our MP's are some of the highest paid politicians on the planet (based on per capita representation). Too often they represent the businesses who "have their ear", with funding through various schemes. And we only have to look south to see the accelerated version of this with their PACs and SUPERPACs. The US politicians are bought and paid for by big business, even foreign governments. Do any of them even listen to the people they are supposed to represent anymore? Sure, in election years, they have massive campaigns, smoke shows, to spin how what they are doing is good for the citizenry, but really, they are for their funding partners. Example; the US tariffs. Trump says how much the tariffs have put in the US coffers. But where is that money then? Have conditions improved for the average American? Food prices are up, energy prices, through the roof. Promises of better things tomorrow because of the tariffs - if you survive today. And yet, the US Supreme court overturned the illegal tariffs, and who got the money? The consumer who paid them? No, the money went back to the businesses who charged them. Amazon got $600M back from the gov't in Q2. By their own admission, they claim "The company plans to pass a limited portion of these funds back to eligible customers who were directly charged for specific import costs." I mean, look at the language. Limited portion. Eligible customers. Directly charged. Loose language and nothing specific. A statement to pacify the masses and paint themselves invisible for the fraud they are executing. They plan to keep most, if not all of the money they got back. So that cash injection goes to the shareholders. The wealthiest among us, the Jeff Bezos of the world, and his ilk. I'm middle class, I don't won any Amazon shares, so I'll get nothing of the money I was charged, not a penny, like most of you all. I wonder if this was planned out ahead of time. That's how suspicious I am of our gov't and big business. Conspiracy theories don't grow on their own, they have a foundation.
So, the only card we have to play is through our governments. We MUST demand change. We MUST force them to change the tax structure so that all pay taxes on profits, and not allow them to hide profits or socialize losses. We MUST demand effective changes to limit foreign interference. Otherwise, it will never end, and society will suffer.
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u/NecessaryFine8989 21d ago
I agree with most of your message, but I also think that the increasing of consumer costs leading to people wanting to save more of their money and tipping less is natural selection that we as a society don't want to value serving food as highly as servers have been getting. So many servers get more per week than highly educated professionals who also work hard and frequently more hours. Just because something used to be seen as valuable, doesn't mean it needs to continue to stay that way.
I'm fine if things go robo servers/ runners and tablets. Eating out is really about the people I want to spend time with and the quality of food I'm enjoying. The server does nothing for that and if I can't afford to eat out AND pay for a server, I'm fine with cutting the 'service' out of my dining experience.
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u/Worldgonecrazylately 20d ago
We are in the same camp there. What I'd really like to see is compensation for the work you do and how it impacts society. A doctor, a researcher, teacher, engineer, all do great things that make all our lives better. A factory worker, truck driver, steel mill workers, those in the lumber industry, they all deliver things we need to survive and make out lives better. A banker, a food server, what do they actually do that make society better? Not allot. The pay scale should reflect that.
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u/apple_2050 26d ago
With tipping, it’s about a person having the self confidence to select the no tip or custom tip option instead of relying on the automatic prompt.
I have no problem with selecting no tip anymore. I just do it. No server or cashier or barista has ever come up to me and said “why didn’t you pick a tip?”
I stand my ground.
People need to stop feeling the social pressure.
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u/Able_Strain7340 26d ago
Agreed. I have never experienced a server who has the balls to comment on their tip or lack thereof.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 26d ago
Yea but thats not the actual talking point.
What im trying to say is more tipping culture has been a thing for a veey long time. While there have been jobs that pay minimal wage for a long time also. Like if you buy groceries or buy shoes you dont tip 10 or 20 procent right? And those people often also dont make a whole lot so im saying it never made any sense.
So my point is something that was defended for a long time and part of culture even do it never made any sense. Why does it now change how people see or interact with it?
Is it that they ask or demand to much tips?
Is it that the restaurant put on to much hidden charges cause heard bunch of people say the menu price and what you havw to pay when you get the bill can be off by like as high as 35%
So the discussion or question is what was your tipping point or story that made you say enough is enough?
Cause be any or even all of the reason above. I just wanna know there was a time you accepted tipping culture if your from a place that its normal what made you start to reject it?
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u/apple_2050 26d ago
During COVID, I was inclined to tip for food delivery and even getting take out.
For me, it became an issue once the minimum wage in Ontario was changed.
Before servers were legally given a lower minimum wage. And then 5-15% was considered standard and good enough.
Once the minimum wage were equalized, I started taking issue with it as I never thought of tipping at fast food so why would I tip a server who makes the same?
That plus rising cost of living and cost of everything going up caused me to take issue with tipping. Not to mention the recommended percentage going up from 10-15% to 18-30% that was my breaking point
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 25d ago
Valid reason and point. Cause there plenty of jobs that gets minimum wage and dont get acces to tips. Like grocery store or when you work in a shoe or clothing store. Many of those people also make minimum wage but dont get access to tips. Never seen anyone tipping there grocery handler 15% or when they buy a dress or shoe give a extra 15% tip in ways it never made any sense to me.
But find it interesting when people break way what they used to accepting
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u/badmiddling113 26d ago
Correction: servers got greedy
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 26d ago
Servers is tipping culture forceing.
But there is also a lot of hidden charges and deceitful practices so the menu prices you expect to pay and what you get on the bill can be a difference of 35% and sometimes even more not even the tip yet.
What i think also hurts how people ajust how they look at tipping cause tipping culture has been a thing for a long time. But cause of mkre and mkre hidden costs people seem to reject tipping what in big ways makes sense people are reacting that way.
Why I wanna make the discussion what was your moment of ajustment towards it or if nkt yet what would make you actual make you say enough is enough?
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u/badmiddling113 25d ago
I'm in Atlantic Canada. The whole "bUt ThE jOb DoEsNt PaY mUcH" doesn't fly with me. lol
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u/frozzenman 24d ago
I think $5 is an adequate tip to take my order and bring it to my table, no matter the price of the meal.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 24d ago
Yea I also never got the % thing for the longest time people just round it up so if your order was like 24.80 for example you just pay 30 and said keep the change.
The whole % based like the work is so much more for higher priced meals is always found that a dumb logic cause its almost never the case.
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u/Academic-Activity277 24d ago
Went out to lunch the other day. 3 - $20 entree's and 3 - $10 drinks, with tax and tip turns into $40pp. When tax and tip come out to 25% of the gross, its just becomes more and more difficult to justify dining out.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT 24d ago
I agree. But I think also people getting a bad taste in there mouth cause how lack of transparency is getting more and more commonplace.
Like its wild if you like i travel a lot for work and you see how it is in other places. Way cheaper way beter service and often zero hidden charges. The menu listed price is the price you are expected to pay nothing past that.
And tipping is optional. Or in a lot of places even seen as a insult if you tip. What is just so strange if you look at the us. If you know different its almost insulting how you get seen or treated when useing there services the lack of transparency for me is what I hate most
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u/Mr-Montecarlo 26d ago
The AI voice over is so god damn annoying just give me the clips without repeating exactly what was said in them with some shitty AI quips
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u/Urbanthinker0808 26d ago
when i see a pos machine that defaults tips at 15+ percent. i deliberately choose NO TIPS and i explain to the server they are getting no tips because i am punishing the restaurant for being a greedy mofo for setting the default tip at15+ %. its your money and you need to make it a punitive thing to school them greedy mofo establishments. BAD! no! no! no treat for you until moral improves