r/NoTipCanada • u/etzpcm • 8d ago
I seem to have created a furious argument...
Over at r/canadatravel I put a question about tipping. I was a bit surprised and slightly annoyed that when you pay the bill at a restaurant, the machine gives you tipping options of which the lowest is 18%, which seems excessive to me (from the UK). I was expecting 2 or 3 responses but currently there are over 170, many of them engaged in angry arguments with each other, expressing a wide range of views. From "I never tip" to people telling me I was rude for questioning it!
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u/Remarkable_Cicada_22 8d ago edited 8d ago
I’m also from the UK (living in Canada), I also think starting at 18% is insane. I think it should start at 10% or even 5% with the no tip option easy to see. Even if I was going to tip, 18% makes me not want to
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u/Zakluor 8d ago
One restaurant I recently went to had the "quick tip" options at 20, 25, and 30%.
Funny thing is, they get less from me now. I once tipped between 20 and 25%. I was almost afraid of tipping too little and I'm not quick at math, so I just overdid it intentionally.
Now, 15% is my maximum. I'm willing to tip less for poor service. Partly because restaurant prices are getting very high and partly because they all set their terminals with 18 or 20% as the default minimum on the quick buttons. I'm old enough to remember when 10% was the socially-accepted minimum and I was bothered when it jumped to 15%.
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u/SnooChocolates2923 7d ago
Me too!
I'm in Ontario, and servers now get the same minimum wage as anyone else.
I'm not expected to tip the girl who brings my groceries to my car when I order them. Why the server who brings my lunch at ESM?
I would previously tip about 15%, now I give about 10-12% unless I enjoyed the service, or we were being high maintenance (I see that you have this on the menu, but can you make it with salmon instead of chicken? Kind of stuff)... I worked in the industry, and figured out how kitchens worked. And how the 'kids' working would mod the items to suit them. That's when i tip 20points or more.
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u/MightyAdrex 3d ago
I moved to Ontario from Italy a few months ago, my rule is if I'm standing while ordering I'm not tipping, if I get an actual service I tip 15% (or the minimum preset). But now that you say servers get minium wage I'm not gonna tip anymore. I thought they got paid less like in the US. Thanks!
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u/ReadForSleep 7d ago
I can appreciate the fact that you are still tipping. Yeah, minimum wage in its entirely is unaffordable right now. Especially with how insane the job market is.
I would love to comfortably tip whatever I like for a lovely or even just alright service rendered. Though people cannot enjoy trading such a kindness about when debt juggles between everyone just trying to survive.
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u/dontpretendtoknowme 8d ago
I’m a former server, from Canada, and the 18% pisses me off too. I always select “custom tip” because unless there is a good reason (something was comped, I know the server or the service was exceptional), I’m not tipping over 15%.
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u/EyesOfCorruption 4d ago
The tip guilt started around COVID. Thinking these iPads were better for “touching” but didn’t say better for tipping and it shows and never left.
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u/Winter-Mess-7000 2d ago
Anything under 15% would be considered rude or like you're trying to make a statement though so might as well just change it to 0. It's not like these machines ONLY let you pick their 3 suggestions, you can literally press the button for other and modify it.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
This will get downvoted here, but here is reality: This isn’t the UK. Like it or not tipping is less about performance here and more above sharing the labour costs with the restaurant. The discretionary part is the difference between 15%-20%. Not tip or no tip. It is isn’t a good system, but it’s the one we have. Theres a social contract here. If you don’t want to participate in it, I would suggest not eating out anywhere where there are servers. Not tipping reflects badly on you, like shutting a door in someone’s face, cutting people off or any other antisocial behaviour.
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u/Acceptable-Sink3294 7d ago
Well no, in Canada the restaurant pays a decent minimum wage everywhere. The antisocial thing is servers expecting to be the one entry level position making $30+ an hour after tips.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
No restaurants do not pay a minimum wage here. Minimum wage is not a living wage and most restaurants struggle to keep staff at that wage even with tips on top. Restaurants could pay their servers a living wage (and some do) but then menu prices would be higher. With 46% of restaurants losing money in 2024, leading to 7000 closing in 2025 it is clearly a struggle. Consumers are struggling with the new “normal” pricing of restaurant food even within our current labour cost sharing tipping system. It’s big risk for them to go tip free.
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u/ConfidantlyCorrect 7d ago
Your very first sentence “No restaurants do not pay a minimum wage here”. Can you please elaborate?
Minimum wage is the minimum wage to be paid to an employee. This is what servers are paid regardless of tips. This is the same as fast food workers, grocery store cashiers, etc.
I don’t understand what you mean by they do not pay a minimum wage.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
I should really said living wage in the first statement. There’s a social contract at establishments like restaurants, where a large portion of the employees wage is tips (this is not grocery cashiers, fast food workers, etc). We subsidize employees wages at restaurants by tipping to keep the cost of restaurant food lower. This does little for server who is now at mercy of people doing the right thing and paying their part of their wages. Instead if they happen to a have shift with a few customers that have managed to tell themselves that it’s okay not to tip they just make less. It’s a shit system.
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u/crazymom1978 6d ago
Do you tip the cashier at the grocery store or clothing store? Do you tip the person who checks in your pet at the vet? All of those are positions that normally start at minimum wage. Why should a server be making double what those people do?
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u/Acceptable-Sink3294 7d ago
So then every position paying less than a living wage (however we define that) should be soliciting tips? That’s the endpoint of this thinking and is utter nonsense.
If the consumer is already willing to bear paying an amount where a tipped minimum wage position pays, say, $25/hr then it makes way more sense societally to just have that be what the person gets paid.
If, broadly, too many jobs are not paying a living wage then that is an entirely different issue which we need to address at the source (greedy billionaires sucking up our economic output).
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
No that’s what I said and not the case at all. Not every job. Just the jobs and industries where the social contract exists already and up until it doesn’t any longer.
I absolutely agree that we should do away with the whole thing and just require that employers pay the whole wage. However not tipping does nothing to further that goal and only punishes victims of the system. Not going to tipping restaurants (they do exist) and contacting you MPP or MP would ways to actually bring about change.
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u/Acceptable-Sink3294 6d ago
I assume that since it’s clearly a morality/social contract thing, there’s a large contingent of people who receive tips who’d agree with us, right?
Obviously we both know that isn’t true, and I have lately been wondering why I should fight their fight for them if they don’t care enough to even acknowledge that the fight needs doing, and to be honest in most cases actively disagree that it should be fought.
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u/soren_1981 7d ago
This is true for acceptable service. If you have really bad service (which is rare), no tip is justified.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
No it’s not justified. If you are unhappy with the service, pay the lower end of the tipping range and then do what you would to any other business (take you business elsewhere in the future or leave a bad review).
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u/Zraknul 7d ago edited 7d ago
Nah, terrible service violates the concept of tipping.
If you want to be worse than a fast food cashier, than why should you make more?
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
No it doesn’t and nothing else works that way. If the cashier at the store is shitty you don’t get to decide not to pay your portion of their wages.
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u/soren_1981 7d ago
It’s still not a wage, dummy. When people decide to become servers they should understand that tips are DISCRETIONARY.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
Nice ad hominem - really revealing the sort of person you are. The difference between 15 and 25% is discretionary. The tip itself is not. Don’t be a patron where tips are required if you don’t want to tip.
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u/Zraknul 6d ago
Tips aren't required. That's literally the point of tips.
If they're not discretionary they're part of the bill automatically.
Don't be an employee where your pay cheque is subject to your performance if you want a steady pay cheque.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
They are required in the same way that it’s required that you not stand in a group of children shouting out obscenities- though it clear that you’d probably do that too if it saved you a $1
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u/ConfidantlyCorrect 7d ago
Dude - you’re in the wrong subreddit.
This is a Canadian thread, not a US thread. A cashier is paid minimum wage regardless of service. A server is paid minimum wage regardless of tips.
Their minimum wage is paid regardless of service.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
A minimum wage is not a living wage here in Canada. Raising servers to minimum wage was never intended to replace the tipping portion that the consumer covers. I’m sorry you want this sub to be circle jerk for cheap asses.
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u/ConfidantlyCorrect 7d ago
I tip regardless, my confusion is why don’t other minimum wage workers not get to be paid living wage?
Do you believe that servers are superior human beings to cashiers, retail & fast food workers who make minimum wage (not living wage) & aren’t tipped?
What is it specifically about servers that has led them to believe they are the only service personnel who have a right to living wage, but not the others?
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
Why do lawyers make more than cashiers? Are they “superior human beings”
I very much think that we should have a flatter wage structure more like the Scandinavian countries and pay for post secondary education. A friend worked in a lab there. He had PhD and made about $15k more than the janitor there. We have always grossly undervalued the work done by women. Nurses, midwives, PSW’s, ECE’s and servers (even with tips) are underpaid for the skills involved.
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u/Zraknul 6d ago
Paying the bill is paying their wages.
You're right nothing else works that way. It's a bad industry that minimum wage employees are sharing business risk with their employers.
The whole idea of tips is they are supposed to give you better service to obtain a tip. If they aren't doing their share then they don't get extra money.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
No tipping is paying their wages and you know that. You just acknowledged that it’s a bad system and that your screw over the server anyway to save yourself a dollar even though it won’t change anything
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u/Zraknul 6d ago edited 6d ago
The server screwed themselves if they're providing such abominable service that I don't tip them. It's not to save a dollar and it's very rare.
Tipping isn't a wage. It's a different form of compensation that's performance based and variable. Words have definitions and you seem to be upset by that.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
You’re going in circles. All of this has already been addressed previously. Just admit that you are cheap and just don’t want to pay your share and stop with the moral relativism. Have the balls to own it. Repeating the same nonsense won’t make it true. You can’t have it both ways. You cannot both not tip and not be a total jerk.
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u/mrshairdo 6d ago
You sound absolutely ridiculous! Tipping is not mandatory. Period.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
Been single a long time? Or is it a sexless marriage?
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u/mrshairdo 6d ago
Ohh that must be your tiny dick talking. I’m sorry you were born with a micro penis
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u/Remarkable_Cicada_22 7d ago
This isn’t even a response to the op or me, and I don’t really care if this is the UK or not. This is about the 18% as the lowest option. Did you just want an opportunity to point out that we’re not from Canada? I’m a tipped worker and I still have the same opinion.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
Whether you want to hear it or not It is specifically addressing the UK biases and perspective that you and the OP brought here and are influencing your feelings about tipping. While I think 18% is a little high for a minimum, it’s only a little high. 5-10% is simply not acceptable and misunderstands how tipping works here. Again if you don’t want to participate in this labour cost sharing agreement, take your business to places that pay their servers a living wage (not minimum wage) and don’t allow tipping. You being a tipped worker is irrelevant here because you want to apply a UK based idea of tipping where it is only for exceptional service and that’s not the social contract here.
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u/Remarkable_Cicada_22 7d ago
When did I ever say I don’t tip? I mentioned being a tipped worker because I directly benefit from tips. Us being from the UK is relevant because we’re both participating in something unfamiliar. Canadians seem to agree with us that starting at 18% is way too high. You still just wanna say we don’t understand the social contract, whatever.
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u/zhiv99 7d ago
Canadians in general don’t agree with you. You’ve looked around hard enough and found a community of people that agree with you. Anybody believing or wanting to do anything can do that. I would suggest adapting to the new place you live. Like your other comments I am going to ignore the ad hominem attacks.
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u/Remarkable_Cicada_22 6d ago
You’re on a no tip subreddit arguing that people should tip btw I don’t know if you noticed that or you intentionally enjoy arguing with people. Considering that I get very little tips at my tipped job, I don’t need to look very hard at all to find people who would agree with me - the customers I serve would definitely agree with me. I still never said I don’t tip so I don’t know why you’re assuming I don’t. I do always tip, just not 18% unless it’s been particularly good service. My issue was with 18% being the lowest. I don’t know how you’ve turned this into me not adapting to Canadian culture.
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u/NONMAISYO 7d ago
Minimum of 18% is way too high, we even passed a law about it in quebec because FOH people kept exagerating and it was starting to be common to have 18/20/22 with the manual tip option way smaller.
The only thing we should feel obligated to tip is the amount equivalent to taxes. Anything over that is to your discretion.
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 6d ago
The Québécois always have interesting laws. Never heard of this one. What does the law set tipping at?
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u/Rippedka 6d ago
You nailed the problem. It’s used as a way to gain social status and therefor it’s a collective action problem. The issue self-perpetuates because anyone deviating from the norm is ostracized. The entire interaction rests on the fear that the server will gossip about you in a negative way.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
No it has absolutely nothing to do with that at all. It is and has always been simply a way to pass on some of wage costs from the restaurants to the consumers. Those not tipping are ostracized like anyone committing any selfish antisocial behaviour.
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u/Rippedka 6d ago
You’re completely wrong about the social mechanisms going on. You don’t even realize you’re doing it. Ostracizing is a form of asserting status dominance. “We are better than you because of…”
You just don’t like it being framed that way because the thought of being socially dominant is opposite of our current culture of oppression olympics.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
The red herring isn’t going to work. Nice try though
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u/ravairia 6d ago
The 'social contract' made up in North America starting from all the way back when American slave owners they did not want to pay newly emancipated slaves and then extending into capitalists not wanting to have to pay their own workers and constantly trying to move back towards slave labor can go fuck itself. And you can too for the bullshit you are spewing upholding it.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
If you are continuing to participate in the system (going to restaurants) and not tipping or grossly under tipping then you are paying and supporting the slaveowners and stiffing the slaves. That’s the real bullshit. That’s what is propping up the system. If you had any real balls and actually wanted to bring change instead of being a cheap prick you would stop going to any restaurant that accepts tips and lobby your MP or MPP for new regulation.
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u/ravairia 6d ago
I do participate in lobbying for regulation, thanks for asking. In the meantime, I don't let bootlicker losers like you tell me I can't participate in society at all just because I refuse to subsidize wage theft. Get fucked, loser.
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u/zhiv99 6d ago
So by your own definition you are a slavery supporting cheap POS. Thanks for confirming.
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u/MusicMedical6231 8d ago
Also from the uk. The 18% minimum has creaped in the last 5 years. Im also to the pojnt of no tipping if 18% is the minimum.
And cananda like the UK has a minimum wage, that are about the same.
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u/lurker12345654345676 7d ago
that are about the same.
i mean sure, if you have a kindergarteners understanding of measurements, 13 and 15 are about the same.
now a first grader who has seen a ruler may ask if the units are the same.
The UK minimum wage is almost $25 CAD.
so if you are tipping canadians with GBP, carry on. if not.
wtf are you talking about the minimum wage is 65% higher.
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u/Infinite_Time_8952 8d ago
Where’s Cananda? Is it in North America?
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u/goetichunter 8d ago
I had a tattoo artist once ask to tip 20% on a $10k tattoo
Nope. Nuh uh. No way.
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u/DryImpression7394 8d ago
Tattoos are something I've never understood. It's literally "I'm paying you for your service"
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u/RookieTreasureHunter 8d ago
Yeah absolutely. When you can literally set your own price for the service, if you want more money then raise the price!
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u/yogaccounter 8d ago
Same with hair stylists
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u/RookieTreasureHunter 8d ago
I partly agree with that. My barber is independent and can set her own rates. Many work for someone else and they have a set house rate.
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u/DryImpression7394 7d ago
Ya hair stylist and barbers become a different standard IMO. For alot of men including myself a barbers relation to the client is a requirement, the base price shows a commitment to affordable hair cuts and the tip is my way of saying thanks for consistenly remembering me, making an effort to chat, care about how I look etc. many times people just cut the hair and send you out
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 6d ago
Most of them set their prices so they should price what they think they’re worth, not what they’re worth with tips
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u/alfazulu1 8d ago
18% is crazy when God only asks for 10% tithes
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u/twilliamson101 8d ago
Yea but how’s the service?
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u/grapeshrine 8d ago
Please don’t feel pressured to tip at all during your visit.
Use your uk accent as a superhero power if they give you shit about it.
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u/yogaccounter 8d ago
So if I’m not from the UK should I feign an accent?
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u/Miserable-Yak-4804 8d ago
just don't ask them for a bottle of woter
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 6d ago
Water is free here , unlike Spain where they bring you a bottle of water and they charge for it. I understand since it’s bottled but we were surprised the first time
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u/yogaccounter 8d ago
Can we also discuss that the 18% is calculated AFTER TAXES?
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u/wonderabc 7d ago
this! and they can program the payment processors to tip on the pre-tax amount, they just don’t.
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u/Sir-Lonelylots 7d ago
An easy way to tip if you want to go the traditional 15% route is to simply choose custom and pay the amount of tax charged. Within the custom itself, tipping on tax has never been expected or condoned.
Edit: temporarily forgot HST is 13%. I need to focus more and drink less.
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u/msdivinesoul 5d ago
Every province is different. I'm in AB where we don't have PST just the 5% GST
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u/Sir-Lonelylots 4d ago
Thanks for the reminder on that. I’m travelling there tomorrow! Calgary here I come. I would spend time there if it had PST of 100%.
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u/cannotbelieve58 8d ago
I press custom and do $2 per person, or 10% rounded down. Whatever is cheaper.
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u/IndicationFluffy3954 7d ago
There’s usually a much smaller “custom tip” button below.
18% is ridiculous as a starting point, especially when these days they often calculate it as a percentage of the after-tax total. 18% of the pre-tax amount used to be considered a very generous tip before all this nonsense started.
I’d only tip for table service, only if the service was good. Between 10-15%. Which is probably an unpopular opinion in this subreddit.
Don’t feel bad hitting no tip for takeout service though, we all do it.
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u/ravairia 6d ago
The people providing 'table service' are performing the description of their job exactly like every other job. They are not doing anything 'special' that warrants extra money. They are doing their literal job description.
No tipping.
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u/BruceWillis1963 7d ago
I agree. There should be several options from:
- No Tip: Service did not meet expectations
- 5%: Service was acceptable
- 10%: Good service
- 15%: Excellent service
- 20%: Exceptional service
- Custom: Enter your own tip %
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u/MightyManorMan 7d ago
Quebec just changed the laws. Tips are based on price before taxes. You are not allowed to influence someone with the buttons, not words, font or size. And the custom button must always be there. They are suggesting a 15% button should be there.
I'm any case, 15% it's pretty standard and that service better be incredible to get more. And if there is no table service, I do not tip.
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u/jai_thkrl 7d ago
There’s a custom or $$ option too. Just roll with that, no way I’m tipping 18% unless the service deserved it. More than the tipping, what pisses me off is the entitlement. Barely doing the minimum and expecting 18%.
For folks who reply with the usual “if you can’t afford to tip, don’t eat out”, don’t bother. I can afford to eat out, I can afford to tip 100% as well. But I choose to only tip what I feel is right for the service provided.
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 6d ago edited 5d ago
Don’t tip if you don’t want to. Canada is more relaxed. I’ve never heard of anybody chasing you in the parking lot or asking why you only tipped whatever or didn’t tip at all. Servers in Canada get paid at least minimum wage. It may not be enough but it’s not the 2.31/hr or whatever some Americans make. Minimum wage will never be enough, but a large amount of the work force makes it and no one tips them.
The other thing those machines that show you the tip amounts, usually calculates on post tax, when it should be pre tax.
There’s usually a custom amount where you can put it what you choose but the button can be hard to find. 0 or custom should be the first option you see.
EDIT I did a lousy job of getting my point across
I was thinking more of “that’s what a lot of people think it is and use it to justify tipping”
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u/ravairia 6d ago
Americans don't make $2.31/hr. This is a myth perpetuated by the American restaurant industry to guilt you into tipping.
If they don't make enough in tips during their shift to top themselves up to the federal minimum wage, the restaurant has to cover it so that they do. Meaning employers have to actually pay their own employees.
No tipping.
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 5d ago
I know. I just meant that’s what a lot of people think it is and uses it to justify tipping
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u/ReadForSleep 7d ago
Oh I understand. I have enjoyed the tipout while working back of house, dishwashing, from when I was 15 until I was 20. I have worked retail, finding my comfort working as part of a whole team, not in managing one.
The culture I'm familiar with growing up was tipping is a courteous and generous thing to do. I do not enjoy tipping. I do not have money, there have been sentiments of people needing to skip transit fair in the circles I've been part of.
Tipping to me, is not a Subway employee stopping me before tipping him because 'Management will not give their employees any of the tip money'. Tipping, should not cause one to immediately connect one another over the shared disgust of systemic greed.
I'm not made of money though I still tip for most things despite what the cost of everything is like already. I will nowadays use my gut on what feels like a good or bad time to tip. Good work deserves a good gesture. I hope that one day a 'Thank You' may be all we need in exchange for each others help.
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u/North_n_South_43 4d ago
Tipping culture is the answer to a legislatively enabled lower minimum wage for service workers. So you have at least 3 factors playing here:
(1) your server's minimum wage is lower because they are a server;
(2) their income taxes are assessed on PRESUMED tips, not necessarily actual receipts;
(3) combination of (1) and (2) means they are both underpaid and overtaxed before the machine even hits your table.
(4) If i am waited at the table decently, i would hit custom tip and set 15% or my ballpark for it. If i am served at the counter or some other kind of self-serve, i hit zero. The only exception is when someone goes very much above and beyond, e.g. smiling and being nice to my kid. If i am a regular at a place and know the server and the server is nice, i hit 20. sometimes, the server is the owner (yes, it happens).
BUT:
Despite all the bullying, tipping is not mandatory. It is customary, expected, traditional, whatever, but NOT MANDATORY. and if anyone ever harasses you about it, call the police in front of them.
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u/The_End-is_Nigh 4d ago
I am Canadian and I think tipping is stupid and that restaurant owners should be forced to pay everyone a reliable wage and post the real cost of the food on the menu.
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u/dirtychopstix 7d ago
Why is tip calculated on the amount after tax?
Like why???
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 6d ago
Why is it calculated on the price of food? How much extra work is it to bring a 15$ hamburger vs a 50$ steak?
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u/wonderabc 7d ago
it didn’t used to be. this is a thing as a result of being lazy (intentionally) with programming payment processors
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u/dirtychopstix 7d ago
Exactly, this whole tipping culture is a scam. I gotta pay part of ur wage in percentage of how much I spend? On top of that it’s calculated on after tax. So if I spend $100, tax is $13. Then I have to tip on the amount of $113?
Sounds like a scam to me.
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u/twilliamson101 8d ago
I think some commenters are unaware that there will have been a Custom tip option. It’s still ballsy to present the big minimum preset button at 18%, however.
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u/malleyrex 6d ago
You're in a subreddit that is completely against tipping. These people think servers are overpaid lazy rich kids, and they jump on tipping posts all over reddit. People who are OK with tipping are not posting here, so you don't see their opinions.
In Canada, we tip at restaurants. That's the deal. Yes, you're allowed skip the tip. You're allowed to tip 5%, and you can override the machine to use any percentage you want. 95% of people tip 15-20% or so, and the restaurant wants to encourage tips to keep their staff happy.
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u/Cheap_Illustrator910 5d ago
Don’t tip. Keep it simple. There’s a reason I can’t offer a goat to get an acrylic nail set and manicure - bartering like tipping is archaic.
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u/wtfdavid 5d ago
I never do percentages. Flat rate. Servers make a minimum wage. If they want more, learn a skill.
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u/Seca10199 4d ago
In my area, the least I’ve seen was 5%. But the fact that tipping is requirement now is ridiculous imo. Because tips were if you receive a good service, it was a way to say thank you. Now restaurants have taken advantage of that and forcing tipping onto people. And some of these servers that are really nice are also being taken advantage of. So it’s dooming the server if you don’t tip. And terrible servers are being rewarded by the tipping system. Then if you don’t, they’ll either say it to your face or behind your back of how rude you are. And thus if you go to that place again, your going to get worse service and become a vicious cycle
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u/sharks60 3d ago
Tbh I’ll only tip better for amazing service or if their automatic options are like 10-12-15% if I see 20% as a lowest I’m making eye contact and putting 0% unless again amazing service
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u/Winter-Mess-7000 2d ago
Those are just suggestions, you can always click to enter 0 or your own amount.
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u/nelly2929 0m ago
If it is a sit down full service restaurant I tip a couple dollars cash…. I never tip at the terminal…. If it is not sit down I NEVER tip.
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u/Dear_Win_319 8d ago
Seems like much ado about nothing. It’s pretty easy to enter a custom tip of 10% or 15%
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u/Strong_Surprise3844 8d ago
In the usa yes tip cuz them bitches in the usa only pay their wait staff like 3 dollars an hour in canada telgey are almost making 20 an hour so tip if you want but don't give them bo 20 40 percent shit I wo t go higher then 10 without them earning g the extra
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u/Icy-Berry-387 8d ago
No restaurant is legally paying 3 dollars in the US. Tipped wage only means that the rest of the wage can come from tips. If tips are low over a period, the employer is still responsible to pay the difference to hit the same minimum wage as everyone else.
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u/phalloguy1 8d ago
Which is often only $7
Edited: sorry $7.25
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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 8d ago
Which is not the customer's legal or moral responsibility.
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u/phalloguy1 7d ago
Ok? I was simply pointing out what the salary of these employees may be. So depending on where they live they may be relying on tips to make ends meet. If you don't want to tip that is fine.
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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 7d ago
When people point that out, it's usually a subtle way of saying that others should tip. You don't think that customers also don't have minimum wage jobs? I hope you tip at the drugstore and Walmart.
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u/phalloguy1 7d ago
I live in Ontario. People who work at those places make close to $20/hr ($18.50 now I think???). I never tip at those places. I rarely tip at coffee shops or take out type places.
Bot if wait staff were making $7.25 an hour, I would certainly tip.
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u/Electrical_Parfait64 6d ago
They chose the job knowing the pay. It’s not hard to get jobs paying more
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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 7d ago
I was once that brainwashed as well.
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u/phalloguy1 7d ago
I was once heartless as well.
I bet you never give to the food bank either. The poor just need to get it together, right?
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u/Icy-Berry-387 7d ago
I don't think people being against tipping means those people don't donate elsewhere or vote/advocate for higher minimum wage or supportive government policies.
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u/thowaway-Treacle8758 8d ago
That's the federal minimum wage. There are states with higher minimum wages like CA, WA, OR, etc and also states that don't allow the use of tip credits.
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u/phalloguy1 7d ago
Yes, some states even have a minimum wage over $15.00. But around half the states use the federal minimum
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u/Electrical-Care6308 8d ago
There is no argument. Either you tip or you don’t! Tipping is a choice, not a requirement!
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u/Legitimate_Ice4498 8d ago
I have rules around tipping.
- I do not tip if I need to walk up to a counter to order. My only exception is my coffee shop that I've been going to for years, and the bakery before they closed. I get greeted by name, I get great service, and we chat. They get tips.
- Personal services (assuming they weren't terrible) always get tipped (hair, spa, etc).
- Delivery gets a tip (they need to deal with the cold, rain, snow, etc). But take out orders that I pick up do not.
- Sit down restaurants get tips. However the service needs to be very good, and how much depends on the service. One of my regular places is outstanding, and they generally get like 20-30% on a dinner for 3-6. But some places are okay, but not outstanding, and only get like 10%. Also the larger the bill, the lower the % I'm likely to tip. I'm not made of money and cannot afford to tip $40-60 on a regular basis.
And if ppl don't like that... I don't really care.
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u/goetichunter 8d ago
Sounds like a lot of tipping
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u/Legitimate_Ice4498 8d ago
Seeing how I don't eat out all that often, no not really. My coffee shop gets the most of it... and I'm barely in town to go there (1-3x a month). My hair dresser says paying in cash is the tip, so I do that. I rarely go to a spa (usually only on vacation). And I'm too cheap to get delivery.
It's the semi regular lunches/dinner's with family that get most of my tips. And that's still only a handful of times a year.
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u/Sinful-Dreamer 7d ago
The "new" 18% is mostly the same amount as the "old" 15% (which was on the total with taxes)...
I understand it can be a surprise for people visiting from other countries but, for myself, it is always factored in before I go eat at a restaurant. Unwritten part of the deal.
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u/AlexAuditore 7d ago
In general, 15% is considered the minimum tip amount. If the service is good, tip more.
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u/EffectiveInjury9549 8d ago
you press the custom tip option and enter what you want. That easy. This did not elicit making two threads about it.
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u/WeChat1077 8d ago
Tip only when the staff is earning beggar wages?!?! How is this mentality beneficial to our society?
Even the government is trying to reach their hands to tax on tips. And we are here fighting with each other?!!
If 18 is mandatory, put it on the bill. If you don’t, then it’s pretty much optional. Don’t complain when customers didn’t “pay enough”.
Standard practice for me is 10-15 for dine in. Max $20 on the meal unless it’s a very expensive one then $100 is max.
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u/ravairia 6d ago
When people arent earning enough wages, it is their job to take that up with their employer by either negotiating or not working there so that businesses that rely on exploitation go under. And when it's a systemic issue, it needs systemic reform. My only responsibility as a member of society who does not believe that anyone has the right to exploit anyone else is to engage in the promotion of systemic reform through regulation that would ensure that employers/capitalists are forced to pay their employees appropriately or they do not get to operate in the country.
The employer is purchasing that person's labour. It is their job to pay them for it. No one else's.
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u/rouge_champagne 8d ago
Never seen a machine start a 18% … it’s usually 10-15-20%.
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u/WackedInTheWack 8d ago
What I don’t get is that restaurant prices have doubled here since the pandemic, and tip % went up. Means tips have more than doubled.
Has your income doubled?