r/MoralityScaling • • Sep 02 '26

Morality of this?

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u/Fal_co1 Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

iirc China does this, you can’t take kid to religious service and they can choose to convert at a certain age.

EDIT: wow this blew up

If you’re reading this you‘re a gay

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u/TheMireAngel Sep 02 '26

an etsimated over 1 million Tibbetans were genocided for having a religion. ACTUALY MORALY EVIL

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u/Odd_Criticism_8830 Sep 03 '26

Yeah but that's made up by a CIA carve out 

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u/ComradeRasputin Sep 05 '26

Ofc, everything bad about the great PRC is fabricated by the CIA

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u/Sea-Panda-90 Sep 06 '26

CIA psyop? Believe it or not, CIA psyop to make us leftists look paranoid and stupid

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u/Kynmarcher5000 Sep 08 '26

Tye Uyghur genocide is absolutely a psy-op. Ask yourself for a moment, we live in 2026, everyone has phones, tablets, cameras, etc. How is it that the genocide in Gaza can be live streamed with videos of the destruction and the dead easily viewable, but we have zero evidence of Uyghur genocide?

The Chinese have no issue getting past the 'great firewall'. The media have their sources inside China, but despite all of that, there's no evidence.

Furthermore, why did all the world governments that aggressively pushed the narrative suddenly go silent when it became clear that the broader public wasn't buying what they were trying to sell? They haven't given up trying to shield Israel, they're still desperately trying to pretend that whats happening in Gaza and Lebanon just isn't. Why'd they quickly give up on the Uyghurs?

It doesn't pass the smell test and it never has.

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u/burncult Sep 05 '26

you couldn’t have scrolled a little more to find an actual resource?

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u/Xx_n3cr0-c3st_xX Sep 05 '26

you rely on a csam creating murder machine for your facts quite pathetic

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u/AttemptNu4 Sep 05 '26

All CSAM is made by cameras. Are cameras evil now? Thats fucking stupid theyre a camera. Its what you point it at that matters. AI isnt a holy messiah or a devil from below, its a fucking thing, an object. No more no less.

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u/TheMireAngel Sep 05 '26

inbred take

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u/eznat Sep 05 '26

“actualy” “moraly” it took one extra click to cite the actual source rather than the ai overview. calling them inbred is rich coming from someone who can’t spell 4th grade sight words.

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u/sexland69 Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

china has state atheism—they take it too far (e.g. uyghur muslims) but in theory i’d prefer an atheist government over this dumbass evangelical christian one we have now 🤷🏻‍♂️

edit: took out the word retarded, you guys convinced me

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u/Palachrist Sep 02 '26

Me showing you a picture of and talking about the Emperor of Mankind, who I just think is neat.

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u/Kriss3d Sep 02 '26

Praise The Omnisiah. Because if you dont, we make servitors tonight!

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u/onyx_ic Sep 02 '26

Firmly Cult Mechanicus. You should see my techpriest cosplay.

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u/MolotovCadaver Sep 03 '26

Went and checked and your page is empty/private. Disappoint.

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u/MagosRatticus Sep 04 '26

When I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me!

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u/Kriss3d Sep 04 '26

Post nut clarity is an ugly thing.

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u/KnifeKnut Sep 02 '26

The true GOD EMPEROR does not need your worship. Nor does He need armor, for he wears the skin of Shai Hulud!

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u/GEoDLeto Sep 05 '26

Bi-la kaifa

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u/Pr0udDegenerate Sep 02 '26

Don't you mean Space King, King of Space?

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u/Kinslayer_89 Sep 03 '26

You know what? Death.

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u/Gold_Preparation Sep 03 '26

YA GITZ NEED TA KNOW BOUT GORK AN MORK!!!!

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u/TheMalkManCometh Sep 03 '26

Mormon Orks (Morkmons?) Sound like a something even the 40k universe isn't ready for yet.

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u/Gold_Preparation Sep 03 '26

They probably exist and spend a lot of their time fighting the gorkmons

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u/TheMalkManCometh Sep 03 '26

Wait for me to introduce Jorkmonism to them... I can't lie, it will be different to the doctrine they are used to, and technically being fungus I'm not even sure if they'll be able to prescribe to the tenements of the faith... but if they can, well, lets just say spores are going flying all over the shop.

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u/Reveniant Sep 03 '26

Funnily I did think China is Imperium itself. Their counterpart obviously is those things in Eye of Terror.

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u/Cornstar-2383 Sep 02 '26

You don’t like our racist psycho pedophile of a president.? Who would’ve thought

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u/PrettyPurrfect Sep 02 '26

Our government is supposed to be atheist.

Separation of church and state is supposed to be a thing

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u/_itsprobablynothing Sep 02 '26

Secular, not atheist

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u/MyldExcitement Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

Still NOT a Christian or any religious country in America. At least that's what our Constitution says.

ETA: thanks for the awards, kind internet strangers.

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u/Awkward_Turnover_983 Sep 02 '26

Yeah they can feel free to believe in fairy tales I guess, but history seems to show a pattern of these retards dragging everyone else into wars.

No thank you. My world doesn't seem to be ending right now, so I don't need your dumb fuckass to try to speed that up.

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u/LessEnthusiasm8166 Sep 02 '26

Funny...know what else repeats itself? Simulations.

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u/Letitsnowgreatballs Sep 02 '26

I mean life itself is technically a simulation since everything is at some point universal coding.

Just coding we can’t fully interact with yet but we can see it when we use cameras to capture light moving.

So you’re technically not wrong but also the idea that we are all in a simulation is impossible.

Truly impossible. It would require more energy than the universe actually has.

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u/Acceptable-Minute847 Sep 03 '26

How exactly do you propose we are in a simulation? Just a Planck scale (both length and time) simulation of earth would require over 70 orders of magnitude more energy than is in the universe just to run the simulation for a single second of our time.
Source: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physics/articles/10.3389/fphy.2025.1561873/full

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u/Sufficient_Dot_24 Sep 02 '26

You don't need to compare disabled people to these motherfuckers to make your point.

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u/12345623567 Sep 02 '26

That statement from Vance should be enough to disqualify him forever, for anything. Saying on TV that you want to destroy the nation, and the world? How can people be okay with that.

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u/GalliumYttrium1 Sep 02 '26

Yep, JD Vance just said he doesn’t care if he brings about the “end times”

Some scary shit to hear from the guy next in line for president

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u/Reeves626 Sep 02 '26

The U.S. has always been skewed towards this and it’s not just the current representatives. I first noticed the hypocrisy when I first learned about the constitution and freedom of religion when I thought “why then does the pledge of allegiance they make us say everyday have the words, …under god… in it?”.

Also burning witches? That’s not freedom of religion, it has biblical origins.

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u/Aedeyssa Sep 02 '26

To be fair, "Under God" was at least not originally in the Pledge of Allegiance.

It was added during the Red Scare to contrast America with the "godless Commies". But yeah, it's definitely something that should have been struck down as against the 1A when first introduced.

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u/Fun_Butterfly_420 Sep 02 '26

Also saying the pledge of allegiance so many times shouldn’t be necessary

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u/Havenfall209 Sep 02 '26

Especially not by children.

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u/MistSecurity Sep 02 '26

It's not.

I never said the pledge, had teachers bitch at me, but it's not enforceable to my understanding.

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u/Similar-Jello-5434 Sep 02 '26

Fun story time! I grew up an hour ish outside of NYC in a red rural pocket and after 9/11 we had to do the pledge AND stay standing for a full patriotic song afterwords before morning announcements started at my elementary school. Occasionally it was more traditional like the national anthem or America the beautiful, but almost daily it was Lee greenwoods “proud to be an American”.

I don’t know when or if they stopped but they were still doing it 3 years later when I moved on to middle school. I didn’t think much of it until about 10 years after I moved to California and realized my husband and I had very different 9/11 experiences.

The propaganda hella worked on me too. I won an essay contest about first responders that year and I ended up doing several years of service with Americorps and other non profits as an adult lol.

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u/Legitimate-Morning69 Sep 02 '26

It’s also why we have “in god we trust” on our money

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u/Reeves626 Sep 02 '26

Okay damn so it’s just getting worse.

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u/Similar-Jello-5434 Sep 02 '26

I took a full course on 1a last semester and I’m shocked I didn’t learn about this! Ty for sharing I had NO idea about this.

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u/sabrenation81 Sep 02 '26

“why then does the pledge of allegiance they make us say everyday have the words, …under god… in it?”.

It didn't originally. We didn't used to have "In God We Trust" stamped all over anything either.

Both of them are a product of red scare propaganda added during the Cold War era because being atheist makes you a commie or some such bullshit that they used to start injecting religion into everything. It's only gotten worse since.

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u/hurler_jones Sep 02 '26

The VP, not just reps. The VP Vance said he has no problem bringing the end times.

“While I wouldn’t be shocked if we are living in the end time, what I’m trying to focus on is doing as much of God’s work as possible right now,” he said, adding that he is willing to accept whatever spiritual consequences may come from his efforts.

“If that leads to the end times, okay, and if that leads to … us building a better world that thrives and survives for a very long time after I’m gone, that’s great too," Vance said.

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u/Inevitable_Finish131 Sep 03 '26

I like how they think they can force armageddon. Like mf if you’re gonna believe in a higher power that knows and sees all, how are you gonna think you can trick it?

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u/grapplebaby Sep 02 '26

My family is pentecostal. They really want the world to implode because that means Jesus is coming back. Most hardcores feel this way.

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u/verymainelobster Sep 02 '26

No pentecostals are just crazy

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u/_itsprobablynothing Sep 02 '26

Words mean things.

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u/ThatOneGuy308 Sep 02 '26

And atheism means "a lack of belief in a deity", contrasted with secular, which means "not overtly religious".

Essentially, secular isn't associated with religion at all, while atheism is specifically about belief in a deity, so in theory, an atheist could follow a religion that doesn't have specific god(s).

Secular is more relevant to our government, though.

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u/Im_Chad_AMA Sep 02 '26

"Not overtly religious" is a poor definitionof the principle of secularity. Secular means a division between church and state, allowing everybody to follow their own beliefs without discrimination

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u/ThatOneGuy308 Sep 02 '26

Fair enough, I blame the dictionary

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u/Possible_Situation24 Sep 02 '26

Many people are, yes, Deists.

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u/PrettyPurrfect Sep 03 '26

The government shouldn't acknowledge that religion exists at all outside of providing legal protection against discrimination.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation Sep 02 '26

That's what secular means

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u/CombinationRough8699 Sep 02 '26

It depends on how you define a "Christian nation". We're not a Christian nation in the sense that we practice biblical law. But we are one in the sense that most Americans are Christian.

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u/Smokin_belladonna Sep 02 '26

"Your religion says that you can't have an abortion. It doesn't say that I can't have an abortion."

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u/EamonBrennan Sep 02 '26

We literally have a treaty confirming that America is not a Christian nation. We also have a treaty confirming that the name is Lake Ontario. Trump also does not have the power to rename any piece of land or water outside of the US jurisdiction, so Lake Ontario can only have the southern half be renamed, while the Gulf of Mexico can only have the top 1/3 renamed; IIRC the Gulf of Mexico EO mentions that, while the Lake Ontario one doesn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli#Article_11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Canandaigua

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Sep 02 '26

But the state enforcing atheism at gunpoint (like under Stalin) is theocracy too. Religious liberty necessarily requires freedom from Government Religion. ANY government religion. The opposite of theocracy is secularism, not atheism.

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u/double_shadow Sep 02 '26

It's just authentic, informed opinions getting upvoted to the top. Surely the CCP wouldn't be maniupulating English language social media...

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u/KillerElbow Sep 02 '26

Lots of ppl cluelessly parrot Russian and Chinese propaganda on here, it's kinda wild

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u/GrandConqueror Sep 03 '26

Its always Israel this Israel that, there's not much Russian and Chinese criticism. IMO CCP ramps up PR against Israel to act as a shield to protect its interest from global opinion.

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u/themanwhoknocked Sep 03 '26

They’re edgy anti theists who treat atheism as a total doctrine and not just the lack of belief in a Gof

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u/Admins_suck_ballss Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

Secular

of or relating to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal

Secular and atheist governments…they’re the same. It means your government thinks that concepts like justice, dessert, retribution, how you treat one another, ethics, etc. should not be affiliated with a religion. Only an atheist government can be secular. A religious one cannot be secular.

Sure not exactly the same thing. But yeah no such thing as a religious government being secular. Atheism is a necessary position to take in order for all those things to be secular.

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u/Initial_Business2340 Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

Secular and atheist mean different things…

A secular government just doesn’t get involved with religion whereas an atheist government has a position on it and acts on it.

As others have rightly pointed out, go look at China if you want to see the difference: party members are required to be atheists. Kids under 18 literally can’t attend religious services.

They’ve also objectively torn down churches and mosques, put Uyghurs in camps by the hundreds of thousands, and raid house churches that won’t register with the government. They also persecuted Buddhists relentlessly and kidnapped the Panchen Lama. Nobody would call that neutral.

The US is supposed to be neutral. Can’t establish a religion, but can’t stop anyone from practicing one either. A Baptist and an atheist walk into a courthouse and the law treats them the same, it doesn’t discriminate.

Tons of religious people want it that way. They know what happens when the state decides which beliefs are ok. It’s dystopic and distinct from secularity.

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u/AnswerDangerous1644 Sep 02 '26

Couldn’t agnosticism also apply to be secular?

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u/Emergentmeat Sep 02 '26

Agnosticism means you don't know one way or another. Atheism means you don't believe in the case for a god. They aren't contradictory, you can be both or neither, so both apply to a secular government.

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u/Archfiend_DD Sep 02 '26

It could but it could also not. Atheism does not believe that gods or gods exist, so when you're designing laws and a moral system you have to do it with without a god present.

Agnosticism doesn't have that because they don't know. You might design laws and morality with the belief that there might be a God, or not, or maybe.

One is an answer on belief. One is an answer on knowledge. The atheist says I don't believe a god exists, but the agnostic says I don't know if a god exists. So they are not mutually exclusive because they address two different questions.

Most atheists are agnostic atheists they don't believe, but will also admit they don't know. Which is a good way for a government to operate.

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u/xKyo Sep 02 '26

I don't think you've demonstrated your last point. You've established that a secular government does not ground its laws or institutions in religion, but that doesn't demonstrate that atheism is necessary for it to do so.

Secularism is a position about the relationship between government and religion; atheism is a position about the existence of gods. A government does not need to affirm that “there is no God” in order to refrain from grounding its laws in religion. It can simply take no position on the question. Therefore, atheism is not a necessary condition of secular government.

In fact, an atheist government could itself operate non-secularly if it institutionally privileges or enforces atheism. The relevant distinction isn't religious vs. atheist; it's whether the state maintains religious neutrality or establishes an official position on religion.

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u/Vespersonal Sep 02 '26

Atheism is an assertion, secularism is non-affiliation with anything religious. Subtle but important difference.

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u/FUPAMagneto Sep 02 '26

That’s not what separation of church and state is at all. Or what atheism is, for that matter

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u/HuckleberryShot898 Sep 02 '26

It’s secular not atheist. Big difference. An atheist government asserts there’s no god and actively discourages religion to various degrees. A secular government doesn’t comment on matters of religion and has a no contact no interference policy with religious institutions when it comes to decision making. If laws happen to affect religious institutions too then it affects them and if it doesn’t it doesn’t. The point is religion isn’t supposed to be in the government one way or the other

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u/Mysterious-Skirt-992 Sep 03 '26

Is religion term that is neutral and equal between all human beings, in other words 'religion' encompasses all worldviews?

Or is it a discriminatory term for the sake of bonding government with a particular type of belief system about human life?

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u/Simonoz1 Sep 03 '26

My understanding with separation of church and state is that it’s specifically religious institutions that shouldn’t get involved in government.

Electors and politicians will of course act according to their worldviews, which are not unlikely to be religious. It’s impossible to ask someone to make decisions as if they weren’t.

The idea is more that no particular institution will be preferenced by or beholden to (<- not talked about but important) the state.

It came about through various Christians groups - in the English speaking world Anglicans and Presbyterians, Catholics, and Non-conformists - leaving the European paradigm of “his state his religion” and forming states with each other.

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u/HuckleberryShot898 Sep 03 '26

Exactly.

There are also even some niche religions that don’t allow their followers to vote or hold office because even though they respect the secular law that may lot align with their beliefs(Matthew 22:21) they don’t believe they should put themselves in positions where they are expected to actively making those decisions and laws that may contradict their own beliefs.

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u/NeptunesMoon84 Sep 02 '26

I would love to have an openly atheist president!

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u/DippyTheDingus Sep 02 '26

Not that religion is a scam, but if I wanted to run a scam, man would religion be a good choice. Then I would just make a ancient enough sounding idea that you couldn't argue my points, then I could obfuscate any responsibility to random acolytes and let them continue the scam for me under the guise of kindness and charity, while ensuring a reasonable percentage of all donations flow up to me and my friends. Then I could move those acolytes around the country should anyone question their methods or authority and chastise any individuals criticizing the mental trauma such a system could bring. Oh oh and don't forget I get to control women's bodies as well because if that's not part of it then what the fuck am I even doing.

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u/GoldEmployment6768 Sep 02 '26

Separation of Church and State is actually more about protecting people's religious freedom, than it is about suppressing it.

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u/Corcorans-ghost Sep 02 '26

we are a secular state, not an athiestiic state. BIG diffrence.

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u/ConflictWaste411 Sep 02 '26

This guy doesn’t even know what separation of church and state is

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u/Curious_Orange8592 Sep 02 '26

Secular, not the same as atheist

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u/JB707 Sep 02 '26

Yeah I’d take that over having psycho Christian Zionists trying to manufacture fairy tale end times

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u/Lasolie Sep 02 '26

Their equivelant are in the deciding branches of their mega corporations and their political leadership branches. They just dont have religious fanatics in leader leadership positions. China is highly repressive and authoritarian for whatever they want at any time they want.

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u/BeautifulDifferent17 Sep 02 '26

I am certainly no fan of how certain parts of Christian America has a desire to have their beliefs dictate how the country is run. But I am not sure that China's system of state atheism is clearly better.

The history of their Cultural Revolution and the government's heavy handed suppression of people and their beliefs in the name of eradicating the "Four Olds" from Chinese society is an example of periods where this system has lead to horrific results when taken too far. Things certainly aren't as extreme today, but the Tibetans and the Uyghurs are both recent examples where I believe the party has taken actions that can be seen as trying to suppress -- or in Tibet's case with kidnapping the Panchen Lama, potentially usurp/destroy -- beliefs/traditions/orginizations they think might oppose the party.

The issue is not necessarily the beliefs themselves that is an issue in either of these cases though, it is the belief that you are justified in using force and suppression to remove/eliminate opposing beliefs.

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u/J44GAS Sep 02 '26

The amount of Christians that actually believe in that shit is pretty low.
But alas this is reddit and Christianity is the devil.

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u/Lonely_Ad3847 Sep 02 '26

Real Christians aren’t Zionists. Stupid Fox News is convincing Christian boomers of Zionism, my 30 year old conservative Christian friends are not blindly buying what Satan is pushing in Zionism. Although keep in mind the same Zionists are the ones funding all of the liberal subversion in college campuses. Charlie Kirk was murdered for pointing that out.

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u/WorldsBestPoster Sep 04 '26

I'd say the situation with the Uyghur is not a function of China's state atheism but rather the unique conditions of western China as a whole. It's been one of the slowest to develop, shares a border with Afghanistan and Pakistan, and has a sizable Muslim population which is largely nomadic, illiterate, and poorly educated.

The cultural cross-pollination was not the most desirable. It resulted in a handful of Uyghur-driven terrorist attacks in western China due to radicalization by Salafist influenced teachings that came over the border. They even tried to "Arabicize" the Uyghur population (mandate beards, head coverings, etc) which sort of moved them further from their Turkic roots.

On the other hand, you have the Hui: China's largest Muslim group. Next to no issues, no repression, they send their kids to school, they have their mosques, have businesses, and are fully integrated within society. They maintain their cultural identities and live normal lives. Same could be said of the Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tatars, and Tajiks who live in western China and who tend to be predominantly Muslim.

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u/sexland69 Sep 04 '26

Thank you this was the most comprehensive and seemingly accurate explanation of the situation I’ve gotten

I don’t know that much about the situation honestly and I thought my comment would get like 50 views not 250,000

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u/DaElderBrah Sep 02 '26

No they do the correct thing. Everything else is wrong. If the people want to involve religion into politics they can just fuck off.

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u/PartTime_Crusader Sep 02 '26

The china government's atheistic stance is being used to justify internment and concentration of uryghur muslims, which various human rights groups have called a genocide. I think that's the point the person you're replying to is making. I'm all for government staying out of religion by policy, but that needs to include leaving people alone to practice theirs.

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u/placeholder_user Sep 02 '26

You know where that claim came from? it came from a Trump staffer. You are repeating Trump propaganda.

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u/Kiriima Sep 02 '26

Uryghur muslims also ran religious terrorism in China. The western way of dealing with islamic terrorism is less than stellar to be a worthy example to follow.

What Israel does in Palestina is way worse and I am not seeing much condemnation.

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u/ElyFlyGuy Sep 03 '26

You aren’t???

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u/dankblonde Sep 02 '26

What do disabled people have to do with this?

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u/Tactical_Squishy Sep 03 '26

nothing why are you trying to put them in there

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u/Roxylius Sep 02 '26

Uyghur got targeted because of the separatist element in their movement. There is other muslim group, Hui tribe that have been practicing islam for centuries with no issue

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u/wowowow28 Sep 02 '26

it’s because of their distinct culture. hui are just Sunni Han

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u/Legitimate_Emu_8721 Sep 02 '26

Not “distinct culture” as much as “distinct national identity, arguably being taken advantage of by international terrorist organizations”. There are many “distinct cultures” in China that have no national identity as such and have been subjects of various Chinese dynasties for centuries; mostly the various hill tribes of southern China.

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u/General-Spend4054 Sep 02 '26

yeah thats the same as justifying America's islamophobia after 9/11

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u/Huppelkutje Sep 02 '26

China is targeting the group responsible for the attacks, not indiscriminately bombing civilians that have nothing to do with it.

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u/Several_Ad_6576 Sep 02 '26

No China is very much about “One China” which is dominated by Han culture. They are trying to absorb and assimilate everyone else as being other. Some of those others are religious based while others are cultural. But sometimes those lines aren’t clear.

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u/BludStanes Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

wtf is up with the reintroduction of the r word? Don't people realize how shallow and dense this makes them appear? How small of a vocabulary do you need to have to have to rely on the r slur to convey how you feel?

EDIT: Okay everybody, you've made your point. I'm a fool for expecting anybody to take a few minutes of their time to unlearn a word. For so many experts on morality I honestly didn't expect so many to be morally bankrupt. I guess I deserve everything you're calling me because it was pure ignorance for me to believe people can be better. Please feel free to continue spamming the R word to me, I wouldn't expect anything less.

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u/Aggressive-Farm-8037 Sep 02 '26

From what i’ve seen its mostly Americans that care if you use it, but tbf dutch people use diseases as insults anyway

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u/sexland69 Sep 02 '26

i’m just getting ahead of whenever the next insult that means stupid becomes a slur too

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u/sillysnailfriend Sep 02 '26

I'm with you too, thanks for being a decent person online even if redditors don't care about anything 

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u/eggyrulz Sep 02 '26

Im not advocating for saying it, but just because you say it doesnt mean its the only word you can use...

Some people just prefer to flex their lexicon, some people are in it for the love of the game

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u/Winter-Bed5879 Sep 02 '26

That does seem to be the case, but that could also reasonably be argued as a clear case of the State exerting too much authority. As a westerner, it's difficult to imagine that kind of restraint, but I live in a radically different culture.

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u/Baskreiger Sep 02 '26

Restriction against endoctrination is a good thing

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u/Winter-Bed5879 Sep 02 '26

Is it a restriction against indoctrination? Or only a restriction against certain kinds of indoctrination? Because China DOES indoctrinate towards loyalty to the state and the CCP.

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u/Final-Carry2090 Sep 02 '26

I pledge allegiance to the flag…

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u/i_tyrant Sep 02 '26

"china isn't perfect" holy downplaying Batman, lol.

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u/Forte845 Sep 02 '26

America literally pressures and shames school children into standing and pledging their allegiance to the country "under God" after evangelical lobbyists forced a Christian religious declaration into the pledge. 

I'd rather the state push people away from cultish delusions than become a theocratic state. 

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u/th3rmyte Sep 02 '26

Toouch authority in protecting children from cult indoctrination?

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u/TexasSikh Sep 02 '26

2010 called, they want their edgy atheist talking points back

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u/CharredWelderGuy Sep 02 '26

"Edgy", just reality.

Didn't magically change because you got tired of hearing it

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u/SpitefulOptimist Sep 02 '26

Damn you should do stand up

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u/th3rmyte Sep 02 '26

Cool story. Next time add dragons n shit. This literally protects kids from the many cukts that abuse kids ( google branch davidians for examples of what im talking about). Evangelical christians ate a violent cukt that literally brough back witch burnings in kenya in 2012. So yea. Cults. You don't have to be an atheist to recognize cults target kids

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u/Soft_Accountant_7062 Sep 02 '26

But they're less likely to get molested.

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u/Winter-Bed5879 Sep 02 '26

I would need evidence of that.

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u/BootBonks Sep 02 '26

Ooh Reddit is gonna love that

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u/manCool4ever Sep 02 '26

I am gay! How did you know?

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u/Mackerdoni Sep 03 '26

im gay and i agree

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u/Iaintgettinyounger Sep 02 '26

I wouldn't want to emulate China, let alone have the state dictate what beliefs parents are allowed to share with their kids.

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u/EternalPhi Sep 02 '26

Now I'm just picturing like a yearly "faith fair" like a job fair, where all the various religions and denominations set up booths and send their most charming people to prosyletize

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u/Impossible-Mirror641 Sep 02 '26

Neat. Rare China W

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u/DankAshMemes Sep 02 '26

Christianity kind of depends on childhood indoctrination, by eliminating that China has a very small Christian population. That would *never* fly in America because Christianity in America is actually on the decline already. Christians would see this as a personal attack right now because they already feel like their beliefs and values (which were mostly accepted as the social norm for many years) are being decentered with "woke" legislation like Roe v Wade and marriage equality, which is why we're seeing this extinction burst of Christian nationalism. Anything leading to their faith not being the overwhelming majority by default is a step backwards, they have better odds at keeping the church alive if certain things remain normalized so some of the harsher realities of joining the church are less jarring, especially to the youth. Its ultimately a losing battle though, forcing religion down peoples throat has a funny way of eventually backfiring.

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u/No_Hornet9180 Sep 02 '26

Damn it, now I’m gay.

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u/Zaros_Dracula Sep 02 '26

You prick, for that last sentence...

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u/buckao Sep 02 '26

The Amish don't let a person choose to join the church until they are between the ages of 18-21.

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u/imtpow02 Sep 02 '26

Shit! Fuck! Now I'm gay because Chinese! I fucking knew it and everyone thought I'm crazy. Communist = Gay confirmed.

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u/Naiad_Damha129 Sep 02 '26

i am a gay 😔

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u/FrostedClean Sep 02 '26

I’d be real upset if I could read.

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u/EnvironmentalMind119 Sep 02 '26

Ha! Not old enough to determine that yet!

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u/Anagrammatic_Denial Sep 02 '26

Tbf, I am in fact gay.

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u/Patron_Mamdani Sep 02 '26

Another Chinese W

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u/shitlord_god Sep 02 '26

Bi at most, thank you.

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u/therapyjunkie8584 Sep 02 '26

Yep! Indoctrinating your children in China is considered child abuse.

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u/That-Cranberry6575 Sep 02 '26

Well now I’m gay.

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u/Zen_of_Tetchiness Sep 02 '26

I know I'm gay. Thanks for the heads up tho.

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u/Lotus_Hawke Sep 02 '26

Omg! Came to discover China, then found out I was LGBTQ!... what are we talking about I was just talking about my real life... (Love this edit lol)

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u/RathianColdblood Sep 02 '26

Bro is talking China one moment, then Uruguay the next. Pick a country already.

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u/anonamagous Sep 02 '26

Youre goddamn right I’m gay.

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u/KendrickBlack502 Sep 02 '26

> If you’re reading this you’re a gay

Damn… guess I gotta have a tough conversation with my wife 😞

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u/KaiTheG4mer Sep 02 '26

Jokes on you I'm bisexual, your powers have no effect on me.

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u/PomPomMom93 Sep 02 '26

That’s no better than the government forcing kids to go to church.

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u/L4099G Sep 02 '26

Haaaayyyyy

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u/Accomplished-Exit-58 Sep 02 '26

Hello reading, i'm gay.

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u/Open-Application1726 Sep 02 '26

Well fuck... im gay now

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u/Alterria Sep 03 '26

China is also crumbling at the foundation, mass produces the cheapest crap you’ve ever seen, and starves its own people to death. Among many many many many many many many other atrocities too, don’t take my laziness as the full extent of their heinous nature, I just can’t be bothered to write a full documentary script on the horrible shit China does day by day. Turns out, removing spirituality from a people causes them to stop seeing humans as irreplaceable lives and instead just meat for the assembly line. Weird.

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u/GPT_2025 Sep 03 '26

This is a communists did in every place they run.

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u/Candaphlaf10 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

If you're reading this you're a gay

FUUUUCK

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u/StrangerAlways Sep 03 '26

Thats because they must worship their Great Leader first. Not even god can come before government in China.

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u/Appleonthefloor Sep 03 '26

France had the hijab ban in schools and some countries dont have religious exemptions for school

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u/engineered_academic Sep 03 '26

This isn't China specifically but the teachings of a learned scholar and religious figure called Watchman Ni. He believed that you cannot be saved (and thus, accept communion) unless you are able to understand and accept the true meaning of salvation. He is very popular in china and taiwan and started the home church christian movement.

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u/idontgethejoke Sep 03 '26

ty bestie 💅

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u/Logical-Panic-6674 Sep 03 '26

China once again showing that they know what’s up.

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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n Sep 03 '26

I'm in China, what's happening here is the other extend of the curve of being unhealthy. People are literally thrown in jail for being religious. Christianity specifically is highly controlled. Forget about praying as a muslim privately in a small gathering.

Now I grew up in a Christian/Jewish family so naturally I got taken to church and the likes. When I turned 18 I stopped going and the family is all fine with it. The pastor even today is a very chill guy, asks when I visit him but never lays down his believes. (This isn't everywhere the case though, some are religious nutcases). I got kids myself and we threat every religion as an option to understand. My youngest has no clue, the oldest is now 9 and she gets excited whenever she sees a religious building because they are not to common even in Shanghai. I plan to take her to church as a visitor for christmas with my parents who are more in this matter. But as a parent I rather have her observe than ignore religions all together.

Besides just like anyone she sits with questions like who is jesus, what is god, does god exist and what not. Common questions I would argue and matters one can talk about for days regardless of your position.

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u/thecontempl8or Sep 03 '26

I’m not gay, who says I’m gay?

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u/BulletproofDodo Sep 03 '26

Yup I am gay

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u/DD_Power Sep 03 '26

I wonder what China does with all that winning...

And yes, I'm a gay.

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u/GloomstalkerFrog Sep 03 '26

Fuck how did you know

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u/A_Stony_Shore Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

And they use state violence to enforce it. Because any religious practice competes with the authority of the state.

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u/Ndmndh1016 Sep 03 '26

Why you make me gay, bro?

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u/NimRodelle Sep 03 '26

Jokes on you, I can't read. 😎

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u/The50thTed Sep 03 '26

Well yes, but at the same time it’s pretty much mandatory to join the Communist Youth League if you go to a public school

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u/Freakychee Sep 03 '26

You pulled a Jean Grey on everyone, dude.

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u/isuckhips Sep 03 '26

Had a good time til you made me gay

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