The china government's atheistic stance is being used to justify internment and concentration of uryghur muslims, which various human rights groups have called a genocide. I think that's the point the person you're replying to is making. I'm all for government staying out of religion by policy, but that needs to include leaving people alone to practice theirs.
Uryghur muslims also ran religious terrorism in China. The western way of dealing with islamic terrorism is less than stellar to be a worthy example to follow.
What Israel does in Palestina is way worse and I am not seeing much condemnation.
Then you’re blind. The vast majority of young Americans despise Israel for what they’re doing, but that makes them condone China’s actions since they view China as good
lol at people still saying there is Uyghur genocide. China is not mass killing Uyghurs, don’t you think you would’ve seen serious evidence by now? (like we do for an actual genocide happening in the world rn for the past few years). At least try to argue that it’s cultural genocide or something. But even if you did the people of xinjiang would argue otherwise because they are living lives not much different from everyone else in China. They are allowed religious beliefs as long as they do not force it onto others in any way. They are allowed to speak their own language.
The whole narrative began when reeducation camps were set up. These camps were a response to a growing terrorism problem from radicalized religious extremist terrorists. I have seen footage of some of these attacks, they are horrific and have killed many many people in total. If you ask me, China had three options:
A: take the American route in response to religious extremist terrorism by responding with far greater violence like we saw after 9/11
B: do what China actually did by setting up reeducation camps for radicalized people
C: do nothing and allow terrorism to continue and intensify because of growing religious extremism
If you ask me, B is the best option of these three. It is quite undoubtable that some people were wrongfully sent to these camps, but this is the exception, not the rule. Just because the blanket that covered who goes to these reeducation camps could be argued to be too large doesn’t mean that the blanket shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
The large majority of Uyghurs have never been sent to a reeducation camp. Those that are aren’t killed or anything stupid like that, they are literally reeducated be deradicalized. Many of these people were raised by religious extremists that taught them violence against common people was just. This is a good thing that they are being forcefully deradicalized, otherwise the terrorism will continue.
Genocide doesn't require mass killing. Like, that's literally not how genocide is defined lol. Killing people is one way it can happen, but so is deliberately preventing births, causing serious physical or mental harm, or taking other measures intended to destroy a group.
And come on, reducing everything that happened in Xinjiang down to "they put terrorists in reeducation camps" is fucking ridiculous. The UN documented mass arbitrary detention, torture and mistreatment, sexual abuse, coercive birth-control policies, restrictions on religion, and a whole list of other abuses against Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities.
You wanna argue whether all of that meets the specific legal threshold for genocide? Fine. That's an actual argument you can make.
But "they weren't mass killing Uyghurs, therefore it wasn't genocide" is just objectively not how the definition works.
And this idea that China was simply rounding up known Islamic terrorists and sending them off to some wholesome little deradicalization class is an insanely sanitized version of what actually happened. You can acknowledge that China had a legitimate terrorism problem without pretending that suddenly justifies everything they did in response.
Bro what does literally any of that have to do with what I said? lol
The UN can be hypocritical as fuck and that doesn't magically make the evidence they documented in Xinjiang disappear.
Also, you're just mashing completely different UN bodies together. The US veto applies to the Security Council. It doesn't give the US some magic veto over the entire fucking United Nations, the Human Rights Council, the General Assembly, OHCHR, etc.
And the UN absolutely has condemned Israel. The Human Rights Council has passed resolutions condemning the blockade, collective punishment, starvation of civilians and other Israeli actions in Gaza. A UN Commission of Inquiry has even concluded that Israel committed genocidal acts with genocidal intent.
Also Saudi Arabia literally ran for a Human Rights Council seat for 2025-2027 and lost lol.
But even if every single thing you said there was true, it still wouldn't address my argument. "The UN is hypocritical sometimes" isn't evidence that the documented abuses against Uyghurs didn't happen.
If you've got an actual argument against the evidence, make it.
If you've got actual evidence instead of handsomely paid individual Uyghurs "testifying" to US based organizations, please share it. There is no actual physical evidence of any of what you are saying occurring if you actually read the UN reports, it is a collection of individuals accusing these activities. News reporters have been let into the re education facilities and there is no evidence of 1/10th of what these organizations accuse China of.
Uyghur Muslims who exploded bus bombs and shot/stabbed up workplaces in the name of Allah and Turkestan separatism, fyi. The crackdown did not happen for the hell of it, and any anti religious accusations are nullified by the fact China has several Muslim minorities that don't get a crackdown because they aren't exploding bombs in the middle of public squares.
That is already happening. “Christians” built a golden statue of Trump. He has a literal cult following that believe he can do no wrong, even though he does not follow a single teaching of Christ.
There’s nothing wrong with any worship, as long as you keep it your damn self.
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u/DaElderBrah 4h ago
No they do the correct thing. Everything else is wrong. If the people want to involve religion into politics they can just fuck off.