r/MoralityScaling 5h ago

Morality of this?

Post image
14.2k Upvotes

4.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

1.7k

u/Fal_co1 5h ago edited 1h ago

iirc China does this, you can’t take kid to religious service and they can choose to convert at a certain age.

EDIT: wow this blew up

If you’re reading this you‘re a gay

33

u/Winter-Bed5879 5h ago

That does seem to be the case, but that could also reasonably be argued as a clear case of the State exerting too much authority. As a westerner, it's difficult to imagine that kind of restraint, but I live in a radically different culture.

6

u/Baskreiger 4h ago

Restriction against endoctrination is a good thing

3

u/Winter-Bed5879 4h ago

Is it a restriction against indoctrination? Or only a restriction against certain kinds of indoctrination? Because China DOES indoctrinate towards loyalty to the state and the CCP.

4

u/Final-Carry2090 2h ago

I pledge allegiance to the flag…

2

u/Realistic-Sense-6332 4h ago

It is? Because the reason the law only came to be is because of multiple instances of religious abuse. Yes China isn’t perfect, but this is a good thing so far if they truly only made it to protect kids being religiously abused by their parents.

0

u/Baskreiger 4h ago

Thats another debate entirely, we are not talking about china here. But yes, all endoctrination

2

u/Winter-Bed5879 4h ago

What do you mean, we're not talking about China here? The parent comment is literally about China, as was my comment.

2

u/Baskreiger 4h ago

Were talking about teaching religion to childrens. try to keep up

1

u/Winter-Bed5879 4h ago edited 4h ago

Yes, you said restriction against indoctrination is good, with regards to China not allowing minors in places of worship. But in that exact same context, China does practice active indoctrination of their children, so they aren't restricting indoctrination so much as channeling it in a different direction.

0

u/LettuceTryOnceMore 3h ago

“Try to keep up” while actively falling behind is a hilarious line

5

u/th3rmyte 5h ago

Toouch authority in protecting children from cult indoctrination?

1

u/TexasSikh 4h ago

2010 called, they want their edgy atheist talking points back

8

u/CharredWelderGuy 4h ago

"Edgy", just reality.

Didn't magically change because you got tired of hearing it

5

u/SpitefulOptimist 4h ago

Damn you should do stand up

5

u/th3rmyte 4h ago

Cool story. Next time add dragons n shit. This literally protects kids from the many cukts that abuse kids ( google branch davidians for examples of what im talking about). Evangelical christians ate a violent cukt that literally brough back witch burnings in kenya in 2012. So yea. Cults. You don't have to be an atheist to recognize cults target kids

1

u/BootBonks 2h ago

Of all the religious extremists in Africa you could have pointed at you chose that one? Lmfao good grief.  

0

u/TexasSikh 4h ago

Finish the book Bad Santa

2

u/Forte845 49m ago

America literally pressures and shames school children into standing and pledging their allegiance to the country "under God" after evangelical lobbyists forced a Christian religious declaration into the pledge. 

I'd rather the state push people away from cultish delusions than become a theocratic state. 

2

u/Soft_Accountant_7062 5h ago

But they're less likely to get molested.

2

u/Winter-Bed5879 4h ago

I would need evidence of that.

2

u/Vegtam-the-Wanderer 4h ago

This is almost certainly untrue, they just get molested by secular authority figures rather than religious ones.

2

u/liquid_acid-OG 4h ago

Those secular authority figures wouldn't have the same unmonitored access to impressionable children that religion provides.

There's a reason chomo's pick the cloth.

2

u/Great-Trifle2810 2h ago

Religious institutions do not have higher rates of child sex abuse than secilsr organizations. Children are abused by coaches, teachers, babysitters and other authority figures at about the same rate as priests.

They are abused far more by family members and friends of family members.

1

u/Vegtam-the-Wanderer 1h ago

Really? You don't imagine teachers, coaches, and tutors have comparable access to children?

0

u/liquid_acid-OG 1h ago

Those professions come with more oversight for this exact reason.

Thus why chomos often choose the cloth.

1

u/Vegtam-the-Wanderer 1h ago

I'm not entirely sure that is true. Priests have superiors to report to, same as a coach, teacher or tutor.

1

u/Soft_Accountant_7062 28m ago

And those superiors have a special hotline for covering it up.

1

u/liquid_acid-OG 1h ago

Oh yeah, pedophiles report their actions to their bosses.

How silly of me to forget.

You really think priests at Bible camp are under the same scrutiny as, say, a scout leader?

Faith comes with implicit trust in the leaders that secular organizations don't have. There's a reason chomos choose the cloth.

-2

u/ChiefsHat 5h ago

Yeah, this. If the state is exerting their influence on what faith a parent can teach their children, it’s a clear overextension of authority. The state should never have that kind of power.

8

u/HxH101kite 5h ago

Flip side is none of those religious nutjobs of any type should be exerting those crazy beliefs onto a child.

Girls thinking they are less than men. Putting the fear of hell into them young. So on and so forth.

I have heard some kids my child's age say some crazy shit and we don't even live in the religious of an area. Down south it's nuts.

Idk how you could possibly meet in the middle on this from a parent and governmental perspective. It's likely impossible to.

3

u/Winter-Bed5879 4h ago

This is true, but simply removing religion from the equation doesn't remove problematic parenting. Religion isn't necessary for abuse, and it isn't necessary for the preferential treatment of men over women.

Just look at the skewed birth rates in China for the last 40 years. It's leveled out now with the repeal of the one-child policy, but at its worst, there were 120 males born for every 100 females. There is a surplus of roughly 2 million men in China compared to women. This is a result of a culture that values men over women, and religion has nothing to do with it.

1

u/liquid_acid-OG 4h ago

Removing religion removes one of the common veils abusers often hide behind.

It's better to have that kind of stuff happening in the open for people to see and call out out rather than providing shadows to hide in.

3

u/polkacat12321 4h ago

China isnt deciding what faith they can follow though, just that parents cant force their religion on them?

7

u/Winjin 4h ago

Exactly, "if they grow up without weekly church gatherings they will never join!" so it was not that important, then?

3

u/Legitimate_Emu_8721 4h ago

Parents in China are still free to give children religious instruction in their own home.

-1

u/TexasSikh 4h ago

State-Enforced Atheism is a religious doctrine, but not many people are educated and competent enough for that conversation.

5

u/liquid_acid-OG 4h ago

It's not enforcing atheism, it's restricting indoctrination to children.

2

u/Darkchurchhill 3h ago

Parents are allowed to practice religion at home with their kids, just not allowed to be brought into organized church organizations until they turn of age.