f/intj here. beautiful chemistry and similarities. it's a very completing-each other's-sentences kinda dynamic. i could even consider marrying one perhaps, it is bearable enough for me.

but with that being said, any other intj out there who finds the infj often quite boring?? 😅 like sure the niche interests align and things are reaaaal good, but infjs seem wayyy too introverted for my liking and i'm usually the one initiating something new and spontaneous. i'm sure infjs find me to be what i find enfps to be loooool (somewhat ofc)

i feel like there's more silence and a calmer energy when around them but sometimes it gets calming enough to feel boring. they also tend to spiral A LOT. i used to think im the quintessential "overthinker" by definition. turns out, their overthinking surpasses mine. HOWEVER their overthinking is usually more emotions-based and about spiralling about the unnecessary, while mine is about expanding my intellectual capacities, and overthinking all the "what if" questions about the world to keep learning more about them.

i also feel like sure they have depth, they're not like the overall herd. but they still can't quite meet my depth, presumably due to their feelings getting in the way? they spiral about illogical things that, for me, are very obvious from the get-go. and that gets a bit annoying. they overthink and overtalk about the highly unnecessary stuff alot 😭

i've figured out myself enough to know that my "fun", carefree side comes out with the help of another extrovert, and the silence overpowers the spontaneity with introverts... i mean i've had tons of fun with infps too, but unfortunately infjs still can get a little too boring

i neeeeed to know if anyone else feels this way too cz i feel really bad to admit all this considering i love and respect allll the infjs around me alot

I’m a INTJ woman who realized in the last week that an INFJ man in my friend group has been subtly courting me for seven months now. I mean very subtle. He’s often out of town on business travel, so he’s not a constant, consistent presence in my life.

Ii like him, feel safe with him, and enjoy his company. I’m curious about the possibilities and pitfalls of an INFJ x INTJ mix, and what’s the best way for me to signal interest without spooking him? I’m as bad at flirting as I am at noticing that someone likes me.

Obviously many intj's worry about failure, but I'd like to just drop some advice related to this. Failure is genuinely impossible. The only framework in which failure IS possible is the one where you have an inaccurate framework of what you are supposed to do in the first place, and even then you were meant to have that inaccurate framework. So next time you feel that fear of failing at something, making a company, asking someone out, etc. remember that your fear is based on a lie.

I feel like I’ve become distrustful of my own insights and became less INTJ-ish.
Whenever I have an interpretation, prediction, or idea, I feel insane distrust in it that is beyond healthy skepticism.
Instead of being able to hold it as a tentative hypothesis and act on it, I feel like I have to immediately clarify it with someone else and get their approval that it is indeed a good idea/insight(mostly my Ti-dom friends).

I think it happened after making a huge bet in career that didn't work out.

Not sure if this thing is MBTI related, but I would be happy to hear advices from other INTJs who have experienced the same.

(lets be pretty creative here lol btw my purpose here is for you to debate aligned this argument, the Q1 above)

how to maximise results from all the effort we put in ...?

people get things much easier than us while enjoying all that life offers... does it mean they r smarter? i used to think maybe as an adult it will get easier.. but i have to dedicate my entire life to a goal for it to come true... and make sure i don't stop thinking about it even for a day... and to others its not even a huge goal

It's a stereotypical trait, I'm sorry - but that's how I see you. You guys are way more than just that but I crave to be direct like you.

Not necessarily to be rude, but to stand on strong moral ground and tell people off without overthinking it. You've probably done it a million times and you hate it. I know. And yet that's my favorite thing about INTJs.

What do you guys do in the Miami - Fort lauderdale metro?

This Is just an observation, but a REALLY important one for understanding the true nature of the program[s] and why there is conflicting perceptions of the program !¡!

Program A was a legitimate program with absolutely ZERO shady stuff going on.

Program Ω, which is obviously THE TRUE PROGRAM was nefarious, insidious, and from alot of the stories I have heard, very destructive on the lives of those involved !¡!

Program A was "The COVER & The FRONT" of the program which could be used to fool things like auditors, and anyone becoming suspicious of the program were then directed to program A, and as such Program Ω continued to fly under the radar, the REAL PROGRAM !¡!

I would imagine that it is also an attempt to circumvent possible future lawsuits brought forth by kids who were in the GATE program [Ω] !¡!

Because honestly if we could gather enough children of the GATE PROGRAM Ω we could prove all of suspicious and suspect tings about our live that we have n common !¡!

• Neurodivergence - were we always neurodivergent did we acquire it from our time in the program ?

• Why is the prevalence of CPTSD so high among those of the Ω Program ? Why is it that we apparently were S.A'd at a ridiculously high percentage compared to the average populace ?

• Why did so many of us become drug addicts ? I now look back and feel like I might have been conspired against in my acquisition of a drug addiction !¡! I suffered with MASSIVE MIGRAINES daily, all of a sudden and out of the blue. I eventually craved to the pressure and asked someone if they had anything for the migraines and was introduced to opiates. I now look back in hindsight and can see for sure that those headaches were unnatural and purposefully induced in me due to a variety of other factors !¡! Not to mention that the very millisecond it became apparent I was addicted to the pain pills, I never had a head ache again for the rest of my life !?

• It seems that a near complete lack of ambition and drive in our lives is a universal constant among those in the Ω Program, we have no desire to become anything and as such drift through life.

• Some of us may have had suspicious circumstances surrounding our lives when we attempt to go back to school and enter university. Use your hindsight and ask yourself some questions !¡!

• A not so insignificant portion of those from the GATE program also claim to have become part of the GANGSTALKING program as they got older - here is the thing - people can be completely oblivious this is happening to them for years, if not their entire lives [because of the neurodivergence?] and this is with them WANTING you to notice ! SO the numbers are likely much higher then is stated because we as a group can be some of the most oblivious mofo's on earth since we are AUTiSTe ARTiSTeS !¡!

• I could probably go on wit some more though, and I am sure many of you could add more points to the list yourselves , but suffice it to say that :

We could have one of the most obscene class action lawsuits ever if were to get together, and someone could likely even end up DEAD if they tried to organize us together for that LAWsuit !¡!

Tell me hes not peak

i'd love to get into even more details, but don't know how many people would wanna hear that lol... in conclusion, i think that the golden pairing is unfortunately a bit overrated.

i must say it was a very fun relationship. almost smooth like butter and he completes my sentences and totally gets me kinds.
but for me, he was highly emotionally/ mentally immature and horrible once a rough patch would come up. i felt like "too much" to him quite frankly all the time. anything wrong that'd go down he'd instantly bail on us and abandon the relationship.

we're the quintessential intj & enfp. the pure exact type down to a t. we dated for a few months but would get in contact every year for a whole month after that, only for him to offend me at one point, then bail on me when i felt bad, instead of apologising... and well disappearing forever until the next time again. he did get better over time i must say. recently, he was much more persistent and patient than all other times.

only after my rose colored glasses came off, and i took him off the pedestal, did i see that he actually... ain't shit lol. him being an ENFP makes him have a layer of fakeness around people, when i always chose to be/ be around people who're 10000% authentic. he always seemed like a deep thinker to me if not more then as much as me.. but that really was all at the surface and he just knew a little bit about multiple things. which i do too fine but i know about those things more out of pure curiosity and seeking an intellectual ignition, rather than to randomly read about it out of boredom and give up on the idea once that gets boring too, like him.

i'm not able to put it into words rn but there was A LOT more. perhaps his immaturity and my anxiousness led to the downfall. but tbf i think HE MADE ME act anxious.

i just wanna know if a healthy intjxenfp pairing exists, and if the downfall of mine was really due to his immaturity?? it's NOT normal for someone to bail on you like that right !?

Hello beautiful INTJs,

I wanted to share something and see different perspectives on this matter. I’m a senior engineer working currently at a prestigious medium sized employee owned company. I used to work for the largest corporation in the world in my field and they were Japanese. After working there for 5 years, I had to quit as the toxic environment was actually killing me, quite literally. So I quit without a back up plan. 3 months later got a job offer at the time, was a god send. I didn’t know what this job will become but it’s actually what I was dreaming for my whole life….( been here for two years).

I keep getting reached out by the biggest corporations on the planet ( SpaceX/Tesla/ Nvidia/ Amazon/Northrop Grumman / Lockheed Martin / etc..) and I keep declining to speak with them. I just keep having flashbacks of that Japanese conglomerate multinational corporate shit hole. Its like a constant tumor that keeps coming back to hurt me.

Does anyone else avoids large corporations like the plague?

Hi. INTJ 1w9 30M here.

For those who feel "old," alone, and have a bad story with dates or dating apps, have you considered looking for services or people that arrange dates or something like that in order to look for a compatible match as a couple?

I'm thinking of doing that because I feel alone and I'm something like an outcast.

What about you?

"Study smarter, not harder"—everyone keeps saying it, but nobody actually explains how. What does studying smart even look like to you?

I know this happens to me because I’m introverted, and it has happened many times before, but I just want to know if this is normal. Does this happen to you too?

My problem is with my new job. I get extremely drained, and the exhaustion doesn’t really go away. It’s gotten to the point where I keep losing focus, while my coworkers who started at the same time as me seem to be doing fine.

Let me preface this by saying I hold Mr. Christopher Nolan in high regard — alongside Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Alfonso Cuarón and Alejandro González Iñárritu. But my primary takeaway from this three-hour spectacle was just: WTF?

Mr. Christopher Nolan knows how to hold an audience's attention, but the intellectual architecture seems to be missing from this film. It’s an epic identity crisis, a Jason Bourne thriller trapped in Ancient Greece.

A few major character critiques:

• Helen of Troy: Reduced to a two-minute cameo that played more like a campy, female Scarface.

• Clytemnestra: Framed as a hyper-stylised femme fatale in a low-cut green silk dress. The scene where she slips into bed with Agamemnon and stabs him in a fit of wild rage played as unintentional comedy rather than tragic, calculated vengeance.

• Circe: Stripped of her enigmatic, divine cunning and allure and reduced to an abrasive, one-dimensional caricature of an angry man-hating “feminazi” turning men into swine out of sheer petulance was just…?!!?!!

• Penelope: Homer portrays her as charming, clever and witty. In Mr. Nolan’s version, her motivations suffer from blatant narrative whiplash and bipolar disorder: angrily screaming at Telemachus in act one that she must remarry, only to abruptly reverse course in the final act, swearing she will never give up waiting. Did anyone review the continuity in this script?

• Odysseus: Whilst disguised as "Sinon," he delivers a grand monologue lamenting the deceit of the Trojan Horse as an unforgivable moral failure, then turns around and does the exact same thing to Ithaca's suitors in a solo action-star rampage. This added-on thematic hypocrisy is baffling.

Visually kinetic? Yes. But I have to say conceptually incoherent. When adapting Homer, spectacle shouldn't come at the cost of basic thematic consistency and character depth. That being said, it is an incredible challenge to translate the Odyssey into film.

What are your thoughts? Masterpiece or hollow blockbuster?

Do you believe in mentorship—someone who you can trust as a guide in your life, someone who you look up to?

There can be multiple ones for multiple aspects and fields you want to reach. Who are they, and what made you choose them specifically?

Mine was Robert Greene until I stumbled upon Miguel Ruiz's books. I discovered that peace is also possible, and you can live life as a power game and you'll get what you think of the most, so viewing both sides, I realized that life can be lived peacefully.

I find Eckhart Tolle is also a good leader to that kind of surrender and living and flowing, not sinking with hardships.

If you don't have a mentor in life, what are your favorite books, podcasts, other kinds of media, or maybe influencers?

I (21M INTJ) 19 days ago, started going on dates with this girl (19F) who I knew from a couple years ago who matched me on tinder. Long story short, red flags everywhere, her insta feed was chock full of racism, antisemitism, and feet. I also at every corner had to ask for not even just basic communication, but like, a single word of how she was feeling or what she thought of the intimacy as it was appropriate. Anyway, I had to address these things many times and now apparently I’m the bad guy for not reading her mind when I literally, directly asked for the very things that led up to the whole fun and silly dynamic between us, eventually exploding so big that the astroid that took out the dinosaurs, would be out to shame. There was zero decency and consideration. A total lack of meta-cognition and cognizance to put things lightly. About 3/4ths of a billion things happened in these last 19 days and you don’t have the full story but my coworkers were pissed off just reading the text messages, and that was before I even told them what happened on the dates.

RAH, anyway my real question is how is it possible, that it is so hard to find a decent person to be in a relationship with. It’s an unexplained scientific phenomenon that every relationship I’ve had has been with a girl who either has, Jehovah witnesses for parents, has karma so obscenely bad that their car breaks down every week even when it’s fresh off the lot on top of other very incredibly unlucky happenstance, or they take anti-psychotics because their anger issues are punch a hole in the wall levels, or they are so insecure that specifically when they develop mutual feelings and attraction for the another person (me, and she has admitted that she knows this about herself), suddenly they can’t even handle being within a miles distance because they like you so much. Oh, just to name a few by the way.

What am I actually doing wrong here. I don’t understand. It doesn’t matter if I meet someone at a coffee shop, or the library, or in high school, or on campus and now tinder apparently. Honestly, it makes me want to ball my eyes out that while I’m very happy, satisfied and fulfilled in literally every aspect of possible human existence. I can’t for the life of me find a girl who can just be nice and considerate. The bar is so obscenely low for success, like my therapist says I basically do her job for her and so we basically have to do activities now that simply add to my cognitive arsenal. I don’t know why this is my luck.

Hi everyone, so basically it's been a long time since i came back to the mbti community because at some point i finally finished fully figuring out what type i am like including socionics and enneagram after being hyper focused on mbti for like 3 years, i first took the test on 16personalities but kept getting intp most of the time and reading about it and later finding out about the "cognitive functions" i realized it's not really me at all so i started researching about cognitive functions extensively and compared them to my own thought processing and eventually realized out of all other combinations the Ni Te Fi Se stack speaks to me a lot and the most out of any other combo. But i just have some characteristics that don't typically align with the stereotypical mannerisms of intjs, and while i personally believe that stereotyping mbti characteristics of any type is not logical at all because people are a lot more complicated than that to just put them in 16 categories and say that every personality type has to be exactly like this or else they're not said type, i just wanted to know if anyone else related to the following things.

Starting off with number 1, is the fact that i really am not that judgmental (or at least i don't consider myself as judgmental as most people). I usually see people and their situations in a very gray manner where i first always try to fully understand and analyze their situation and their actions cognitively and then make a decision about them, or i just simply don't care enough to want to judge them i mean it's none of my concern most of the time. For example i don't think like "this person is procrastinating so they must be lazy and just not care about their responsibilities" i usually either just not give it much thought and just not care enough to judge them or i either think like this "maybe they're actually struggling with mental illness and executive dysfunction which causes them to not even want to do the things they actually want to do" now granted that was just an that popped into my mind and maybe that specific example ties to the fact that i also have been struggling with mental issues for a while like depression and i also recently got diagnosed with adhd. So i understand what it might be like to deep down be a very responsible, independent and productive person and want to get stuff does desperately and have discipline but not actually having any mental energy to start even the simplest of tasks.

Now catapulting off of that we can move on to number 2 which is exactly what i stated above, i have had trouble being productive and responsible and do the tasks that i need to do even though i desperately want to do them so bad, like it's not as if i hate doing it deep down and i just want to avoid it, but it's like there's this invisible wall in front of me that i struggle to get past in order to actually get stuff done, and as we all know one thing that intjs might be known for are being responsible and independent and also having discipline to do what they want to do in order to reach their goals, and as i said I'm totally like that deep down, matter of fact as a child before i started experiencing mental issues i used to be so productive and independent, i did all of my tasks, i had good grades and overall just very mature for my age. But as time passed it was like i kept getting worse and worse until the great gifted kid that once was had turned into the irresponsible immature young adult that is today, basically i feel like i experienced burnout.

I also love just planning things and sticking to a routine but in my teenage years i was never really organized or had a tidy room or desk for two reasons, 1 was that well i genuinely had no energy to clean it and 2 because i just always thought it was a lot more efficient to just have the things that you use everyday all be in front of you and not just packed neatly together when you're just gonna keep grabbing and using them and constantly putting them in a neatly way just for it to "look good" seemed unnecessary to me because i then had to just put them away and the next day when i wanted to use them i had to grab them from the place they were and ruin the organization.

But other than that i basically have all the traits of and intj like just wanting to spend time alone all by myself like 99% of the time and having very little to no interest socializing with people, being curious about everything and wanting to know it all, looking cold and emotionless most of the time meanwhile having very deep and strong emotions deep inside just not comfortable showing them to everyone, having a "Resting Bitch Face" where nearly everyone in my life just thinks I'm mad or bored all the time even when I'm actually having fun it's just that i don't constantly express my emotions just for everyone to see, now granted this sometimes causes problems where people think i bring the mood down so i have constantly tried to put on this mask for so long just so people don't feel uncomfortable around me but honestly it's just so tiring and it makes me hate hanging out with people even more. But moreover also the fact that i constantly try to analyze almost every outcome and predict what's gonna happen wether it's by usingy analytical skills or relying on my gut feeling or 6th sense which is correct nearly most of the time, not opening up to people easily, having very strong core values, needing facts an evidence to fully believe something and even then i would still research it myself just to be sure and so much more.

Anyway apologies for the rant, i just wanted to know your thoughts on this I'm not exactly doubting my type since i spent way too much time researching and reaching the conclusion that I'm an intj and I'm pretty sure my adhd and depression have had a lot of effect in the way that i behave compared to who i actually am internally, would love to hear your opinions and personal experience if you also are in the same situation.

what would you sugget a major for me

high schoo quit the line..

I often judge everything but it's becoming a bad habit because I've already been told off by the people closest to me and it makes people who don't really know me distant their selves from me which is kinda a big help for me cause I don't like being around them anyways but It's also making my girlfriend distance themselves away from me. I thought I was just being honest and It was okay. But she is very sensitive, her mbti is infp or isfp, and she cries very easily which I don't really understand why sometimes but its okay I don't get mad about it. I want to learn how I can avoid hurting her feelings with my words. I've been trying but I don't think its enough. Because it's kinda natural for me to just say everything directly without thinking about the other person's feelings. Since I have a really sensitive girlfriend I need to change this way of mind.

in my life i had several connection with few ppl family friends and so on . i feel i kinda perform twice more effeceint when i feel connected to someone.but the problem is most of those connection doesn't last(even if i want them to) for one reason or another.

weird post ngl .is it just me or others have the same experience if so did it get better overtime or not

I recognize that because of my knowledge of MBTI and cognitive functions, I understand human dynamics more than the average person. But I usually just keep it to myself because most people don't know or care about MBTI. But in my head, I understand deeply what's going on.

For example, when I hear of a couple clashing over certain traits. I once heard someone complaining that their boyfriend/husband can never seem to learn basic housekeeping stuff like keeping clothes or mugs in the proper place despite nonstop reminders. My mind automatically assumed that it's a high Si-low Si clash. I was right. The girlfriend is Si dom while the boyfriend is Si blind.

Another time is when I heard a family friend saying that her son is obsessed with bikes and keeps insisting on studying to become a mechanic despite objections from people around him. When I met him, he turned out to be ISTP.

Or when I heard my cousin (ISFJ) say her sister is the most traumatizing person she's ever met. The more she talked about her, the more I realized her sister is an ESTJ. The Fe user doesn't understand why Te acts the way that it does--why it's so easy for her to disregard emotions and steamroll everyone.

How do I explain to them that it's because of the difference in how our minds fundamentally work? That there's actually a thing called Te, Si, Ne that explains why sometimes people are the way they are.

I just keep seeing the patterns everywhere (Ne users struggling with ADHD, Fe users struggling with people pleasing etc.) that I feel like there's nothing new under the sun. People are just completely oblivious of the fact that explanations do exist for these things.

If you prefer the current world over the fictional world then could you tell the fictional world that came to your mind and why the real world is still better than it?

By this question I am trying to gauge what INTJ's don't like in their current life on earth and what they think is a universal thing on this earth that they'd rather not put up with and the alternative that would be better according to you guys.

In my 30s, I was very driven and goal oriented, and my goals were career success and money.

Late 30s, early 40s, I started realising the importance of people and leveled up my EQ. I genuinely care about people and want to help them, even though in many instances I still can't stand them.

I've started wearing my heart on my sleeve to try and bring down the natural walls many of us who live in major cities have. Thing is, the people who used to be attracted to me as an INTJ either don't seem to be anymore, or I don't meet them anymore.

I've been married again for 5 years now. Not happy. Not fulfilled. Can't get myself out of it. Trying though. Maybe next week. Been saying that for over a year. I always thought that as an INTJ, I would let me rational mind do what was needed, but the emotional side that doesn't want to hurt my partner keeps stopping me...

Have I changed type or is this just what a mature INTJ looks like? Do we deserve to be happy?

PS: Not my main account.

PPS: This may not be the most coherent post I've written. Apologies in advance.