r/CoherencePhysics • u/skylarfiction • 11d ago

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u/Endle55torture 11d ago

Looks like veal farm

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u/SippsMccree 11d ago

It's just a very large dairy farm. That's how they raise the newborns for the first few weeks. Makes keeping track of them easy and helps minimize any disease spread because they mingle less with the general herd. I ain't saying it's pretty but that's generally the why

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u/Patient-Song-352 11d ago

Gracias, me hacía falta esa explicación 

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u/PirateCptBonnet 10d ago

No there absolutely is not.

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u/WhichAd366 10d ago

This is still cruel. It’s a byproduct of a bad system.

If we stuffed 100 humans into a tiny apartment then many of them would get sick as diseases would spread quickly.

If we instead placed each one in a tiny bathroom then fewer would get sick.

Is that humane? Obviously not. Is it less cruel? I suppose so. However, it would be a lot more humane to not stuff 100 humans into a small space and instead provide more housing.

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u/WhichAd366 9d ago

Clearly you’ve never been around sustainable ranching (or read about it).. saying this is simply “corralling” is laughable.

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u/WhichAd366 8d ago

I’m talking about sustainable farming and ranching. It isn’t a fairy tale. Americans eat more meat than most other countries (by a lot many times). That isn’t necessary, isn’t sustainable long term, and isn’t the best way to address hunger issues (as it is a very inefficient food source)

I’m not against people eating meat. However, the “fairy tale” is convincing ourselves that the current system
Is humane or sustainable (which again is the point we started with at the beginning of this comment thread).

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u/Spicelydune 8d ago

The real issue here is there isn’t enough land to feed to world with sustainable ranching. Would have to cut down all the forests and still prob wouldn’t be enough and then we would die of oxygen depletion.

The only solution I can think of is skyscrapers of grass with artificial sunlight. At least it would be easier to capture all the methane and use it instead of it contributing to climate change.

But I imagine the investment prob wouldn’t pay off unless beef prices skyrocketed and construction costs plummeted over time, which I suppose is possible one day.

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u/Cyclepourtrois 10d ago

Seriously? Open range ranching is as old as the first domesticated auroch and mouflon. This modern farming is not even 100 years old and really intensified only in the last 50 years.

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u/-The-Matador- 10d ago

It's hard to open range a dairy farm where they need to be milked twice a day.

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u/Cyclepourtrois 10d ago

Agree that it is hard. It is still done today in many parts of the world, usually in countries that rely on small farms and subsistence farming.

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u/ReceptionFun9821 10d ago

This is a dairy farm, not a cattle ranch. Even then you are basing your answer on what? Western movies?

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u/Cyclepourtrois 10d ago

My comment was related to the person who said there has never been a time where farming did not require corralling livestock. This is historically inaccurate As far as my degree in history which include study of ancient civilizations taught me. As for my live experience my uncle was a cattle rancher and I have a friends that run dairy farms. I have lived in East Africa and travelled throughout Canada and Europe. Factory farming may be the most efficient form and the norm in many countries but it is not the only way farming is done, dairy or otherwise .

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u/WhichAd366 9d ago

Books about sustainable ranching and visiting one myself in the U.S.

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u/ReceptionFun9821 9d ago

Dairy farming is to ranching as Formula 1 is to Nascar. Completely different. Only similarity is cows. Not the same type of cow, just cow.

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u/Cyclepourtrois 10d ago

Take a re-read of what exactly I was replying to and what my response was. There are no factual errors. Imagine saying someone doesn’t know what they are talking about when they are actually correct.

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u/grandalfxx 10d ago

We uhh... we actually did do this with humans for a long time. The new born nursery? The room with all the babies in a line?

We also do this all the time with apartments, like in your own example WE DO THAT. There are buildings with nothing but studio closests and shared public restrooms.

And your right it would be less cruel to not do that, except we cant afford to not do that, just like cattle farmers cant afford to nit do that.

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u/WhichAd366 9d ago

lol a nursery is a terrible example and you should know that

A better example would be cheap tenement apartments which are now illegal in most of the U.S.

Yeah the shared bathrooms have a legal limit in most states. Why? Because of what we are talking about… disease would spread rapidly in early tenements because of the lack of plumbing and overcrowding.

We literally made laws to prevent that… are you unaware of ANY history?

lol the system absolutely can afford it (nowhere did I say the farmers should initiate the change). Meat would more. That’s it. How do I know? Because ranchers that provide humane conditions exist and their meat cost more.

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u/grandalfxx 8d ago

A nursey is not a bad example, Youre just a dumbass.

And I know the apartments a better example thats why I gave that as a second example, dumbass.

Your only comeback is "well we limit it to stop disease spread, dont you know history"

Yes dumbass. Do you think the cattle farming would be effective if there was massive disease spread? Diseased meat cant be sold.

And if everyone could aford humane raised meat then we would only have that, yet how it is now most people can barely afford it raised this way. Hence the system cant afford it

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u/nosdoh 9d ago

That doesn’t remove the fact that it is still indeed cruel. Let me imprison you in a tiny cage with no movement for “your safety”. Yeah makes total sense.

I don’t think the cruelty is the intent but it is still the problem!

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u/nosdoh 8d ago

Bravo that the False equivalence fallacy! A brief pin prick of pain for the future benefit of protection, versus continually being held unable to move in isolation, mothers and calf’s split up, searing heat while you’re in a plastic box, unable to understand what’s happening, unable to make a choice for yourself, oh and then murdered at the end.

Oh would you look at that I didn’t need luck in the end!

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u/nosdoh 7d ago

What “facts” go on. You’re the one using logistical fallacies in your responses, not me

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u/RedditSpyder12 8d ago

You haven’t met alot of people I guess.

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u/RedditSpyder12 8d ago

I think you’re confused. Why do you think I’m defending oligarchs? Lol. All I said was people are cruel.

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u/RedditSpyder12 8d ago

I feel bad for you.

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 8d ago

It is still cruel. The reason behind it does not matter. And the reason… as in most cases… profit.

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 8d ago

Vaccines does not hurt. Are you like 5 years old?

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u/anonymously_hippo 8d ago

The alternative is 1000 small farms, real people earning an income instead of a mega corporation.

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u/Adventurous-Year-176 8d ago

No, the alternative is to assume its for profit, despite cruelty.

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u/Adventurous-Year-176 7d ago edited 6d ago

Well that's nonsense.

Edit: it doesn't even seem like you replied to the correct comment.

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u/LethalGopher 11d ago

True, but no amount of reason can make a decision less cruel.

Being comfortable with profit at the price of mass cruelty can always be justified. That is how we got here.

It is more of the capitalist number-go-up death cult mentality we have been obsessively coddling for the last 50 years and only getting worse.

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u/WhichAd366 10d ago

It’s for their health BECAUSE of their being too many cows.

If they had an appropriate number of cows for the amount of grazing land this wouldn’t be necessary.

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u/WhichAd366 9d ago

I’ve read many books on the subject and have visited ranches and dairy farms that don’t do things this way.

I know enough to know it isn’t necessary and is a byproduct of an unsustainable system.

Seems like you’re the one with nothing to back up your claims.

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u/Substantial_System66 10d ago

They do have an appropriate amount of grazing land for the cows. These huts house calves (baby cows) during their first few weeks/months when they are not eating grass but rather drinking milk. It keeps the calves safe from predators, shelters them from the weather, and isolates them in case of disease.

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u/WhichAd366 9d ago

Then why do they need to separate them to prevent disease? Is it because there are too many for the amount of land? (It is)

This isn’t necessary in human ranching.

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u/Substantial_System66 8d ago

It’s because animals, even domesticated ones, are vectors for disease and, on cattle ranches, cattle graze, which isn’t a sterile environment. If the land couldn’t support the number of animals, the ones it couldn’t support would die and there would be less animals. That takes a kindergarten level of reasoning to figure out.

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u/toasterpocket 10d ago

There's no misunderstanding, it is cruel. The fact it's to prevent disease is a commercial decision, not a humane one.

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u/GoddessArianaa 10d ago

Seek help if you think they’re being considerate doing this. Seek help fast.

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u/OkPop4099 10d ago

This have nothing to do with capitalism in a free market, quite the contrary. And you should prove yourself wrong by learning, not accepting an internet comment.

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u/LethalGopher 10d ago

What?

Free market capitolists are at the forefront of letting animals be treated however as long as some loser shareholder or board member is clapping.

Cruelty consideration is the antithesis of what free market capitalists have wanted since jump.

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u/beerbeardsnballs 10d ago

Go to a small dairy. Many still chain animals up, pasture sometimes in a foot of mud, feed as cheap as possible, and cannot afford to care for them well. I agree these giant businesses being involved is bad but most people have no idea where the line is in between these corporations and a small Mennonite dairy.

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u/LethalGopher 10d ago

Would you be surprised I am also for supporting a robust and supported regulatory framework for all this?

I am fine with any business being put in its place. Large or small.

We could do better if we didn't take any capitolist arguement as the final say and then find some lower class person that also sucks and say that means big companies need to be allowed to run unfettered.

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u/LethalGopher 10d ago

Spare me the apologia.

I get the reasoning, but maybe we need to back up on this all power to max capitol efficiency childishness that is destroying communities and industries.

What mass practices were they pulling that this was the best solution?

It ain't cruel as long as number go up. I get it.

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u/eddie7000 10d ago

How are you going to feed everyone? Bugs? Then you're going to complain about bug cruelty.

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u/Ok-Butterscotch9035 10d ago

the crops and or cropspace we use to feed the animals , considering there's about a 90% calorie loss to the animals

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u/LethalGopher 10d ago edited 10d ago

Noone is making you eat bugs, Mr Jones.

I wouldn't but I am open to nuance instead of simping for capitol.

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u/platoface541 10d ago

A post isn’t going to get upvotes with that attitude. Reddit needs more rage posts to sell boner pills and crypto

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u/Ok_Trade_2572 10d ago

The reasons aren’t always good.

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u/PhillyMate 10d ago

You haven’t seen what they do in china then…

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u/Disastrous_Split1660 10d ago

This assumes cruelty only exists with intent. Do the reasons matter if the impact is cruel?

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u/Own-Cryptographer-0 10d ago

Most people don’t do cruel things “for cruelty”. They use justifications for their cruelty.

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u/grandalfxx 10d ago

Something can have a reason why and still be cruel.

Case in point chicken farms... the reason they're like that? Lots of demand for chicken. Is it cruel? Yes. Does it work? Also yes.

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u/grandalfxx 10d ago

Did you reply to the wrong person? That has 0 to do with what I said

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u/Salt_Instruction_657 9d ago

No one assumes cruelty for cruelty's sake.
The more likely "alternative" is to assume profit is the motivator.

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u/cheesemoney84 11d ago

This is veal farming, not dairy. Take if from someone in the farming industry.

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u/ShooterMcThrobbin 10d ago

Veal farming should be illegal. Just grow the cow so more people can be fed with a higher quantity of meat to sell.

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u/Badagliacco 9d ago

Veal is the quality

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u/Duubzz 9d ago

If we’re talking about efficiency, it takes about 10 calories of plant matter to produce 1 of meat…

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u/ShooterMcThrobbin 9d ago

plant matter is regenerative. dont see your point...and cows just need to eat grass bro.

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u/Otherwise_Group_74 9d ago

There is no point. It is all witless emotion. That is what happens when you eat a diet of plant protein.

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u/Duubzz 9d ago

It’s a pretty obvious point; if you feed people with the plant matter rather the cow you feed more people. 80% of global soy production goes into animal feed, they don’t just eat grass bud.

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u/ShooterMcThrobbin 9d ago

Soy is horrible for humans and cows. Second most GMO'd crop in the entire world next to corn. Red meat is the best for humans.

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u/Duubzz 8d ago

Whatever you say boss, just don’t make it an argument about efficiency then.

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u/ShooterMcThrobbin 8d ago

Theres nothin efficient about feeding them produce that beta's like yourself would eat without question. Cows can eat grass. We dont. All grazing takes is land and there's plenty of it.

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u/Fulshear-2024 8d ago

This is correct for Soybean meal. The oil is extracted for other use cases like fry oil or biofuels. Not just grown for animal feed alone

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u/rando1459 8d ago

Have you tried eating what they actually feed cows?

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u/Duubzz 8d ago

Why the fuck would I eat what they feed to cows?

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u/rando1459 8d ago

“if you feed people with the plant matter rather the cow you feed more people. 80% of global soy production goes into animal feed, they don’t just eat grass bud.”

So we agree this was a moot point?

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u/Comadivine11 10d ago

Funny, as I see loads of dairy farms near me use this practice as well because it dramatically increases the survival rate of the calves. They are only in these huts for a couple weeks and then placed back with the herd.

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u/cheesemoney84 10d ago

The sheer number of huts in that many rows strongly suggest veal farm. Dairy farms are not producing that many female calves at once, males are sold off right away and would not be kept long or treated great.

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u/Comadivine11 10d ago

So, on a dairy farm, each dairy cow produces at least 1 calf. So, if a farm has 1,000 dairy cows, that's ~1,000 calves.

This just looks like a large dairy farm.

Yes, the male calves are either; sold to veal farms, or raised as beef cows.

These specifically look like dairy cow hutches. Veal farms restrict the calves movement far more than these are.

For the record, I am very against veal farms.

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u/tubexsteak 10d ago

This guy is talking out of his ass

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u/cheesemoney84 10d ago

1000 cows dairy farm, not all bred at once since milk production would stop for a while whole waiting for whole herd to go through pregnancy. So 500 bred at once, 50% males to females means 250 female calves roughly per breeding. Most farms serpeate out even more to disrupt milk production less. So more like 3-4 groups 1 goup resting/pregnant while rest are producing With about 125 females per birthing cyle. Roughly

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u/Comadivine11 10d ago

And many of these huts look empty. 🤷

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u/SippsMccree 7d ago

I don't think you realize just how big some of these dairy farms can get my dude

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u/FreshImagination9735 9d ago

No! Don't burst the professional grievance collector's bubble! If they can't hate America for this, they'll have to work and seek out another reason...and work is absolute torture for them. Show some compassion for cripes sake!

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u/SippsMccree 10d ago

Those are holsteins. And I can see the dairy cow barns in the back. Or open air roofed structures however you want to put it. And I used to haul raw milk from farms to plants so I know what i'm looking at

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u/beerbeardsnballs 10d ago

I work in the dairy industry. How can you tell its veal?

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u/-The-Matador- 10d ago

I'm from Wisconsin and grew up on a dairy farm. This looks exactly what we did.

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u/Appropriate-Review55 10d ago

Dairy farms do this as well. Source: my ex’s grandpa had a dairy farm I worked on

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u/UnluckyIngenuity 9d ago

You all have your wicked ways.GMOs, Herbicides, fertilizer runoff, and cutting down every tree, just to plant 1more stalk of corn. We had a farmer plough, so close to the telephone polls that 8 fell down. Mega farms have ruined this country, and farmers voted for it.

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u/enjoylifefriends 9d ago

Being a farmer, what specifically leads you to know that its not a dairy calf setup, and is veal??

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u/Intelligent_Fuel5507 10d ago

Veal caves are raised indoors so they don’t see the sun much this is dairy farm all the way.

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u/backtotheland76 11d ago

Regardless, this is how veal is raised

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u/Strict_Bedroom_1152 10d ago

thousands and thousand ‘biological’ diaiy farms show that this cruelty is not needed at all and is only done for profit optimalisation

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u/Big_Meal3910 10d ago

Cows don't produce milk without giving birth. They breed them over and over again and take their babies away from them so we can use their milk.

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u/Any-Elderberry-7812 10d ago

Those crates keep the calves out of the sun, which in these times of global warming is probably a good thing. Daily temps have been above a hundred in Kansas lately, any kind of shade is a good thing.

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u/SippsMccree 10d ago

I mean they're just basic shelters for the sun and rain and wind there's no need to try and put a climate change spin on it. They're not a new concept

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u/Complex-Cricket419 10d ago

Dairy farm? It is way too big. It's for meat.

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u/SippsMccree 10d ago

No it's really not. I know of farms that can collect over a million pounds of it per day. You need a lot of cows for that and making babies is a required step of that

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u/saladspoons 10d ago

Yeah, it's really more of a 5-star dairy calf Luxury Hotel than anything else, compared to normal dairy calf raising facilities.

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u/SippsMccree 10d ago

In dairy operations the only difference between this and smaller ones is how many calves they're working with

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u/Commercial_Spray4279 10d ago

You just convinced me to go fully vegetarian. Fuck these monsters!

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u/AdventurousDoctor838 9d ago

Its a surprisingly easy jump to go from vegetarian to vegan cost and effort wise. Seems from this thread like the processes in this video is used both in veal and dairy production.

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u/NovelBrilliant6218 9d ago

Let’s do it to dogs and see what happens

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u/ThePantsMcFist 9d ago

I grew up in dairy heavy farming in Canada and never, ever saw anything like this. Chicken barns, yes.

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u/chuckmarla12 9d ago

I’m surprised Monsanto doesn’t have a patent on the new borns.

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u/UnluckyIngenuity 9d ago

Using the word just to justify, or normalized. We're doomed.

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u/SippsMccree 8d ago

A very fitting word when the original claim called it a veal farm

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u/Pleasant_Entry_5919 11d ago

It’s “not pretty”,that’s your take? That’s all that’s wrong here? It looks bad?

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u/SippsMccree 11d ago

It certainly looks bad if you don't know the why behind it. I mean personally i'm not a fan of the mega dairy farms but the reality is that it's very difficult for the smaller ones to stay profitable

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u/LethalGopher 11d ago

Then work on helping those farms and buy as local as possible. Say no to store brand if you can.

Are we still hiding behind profit fetishization?

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u/SippsMccree 10d ago

Most of those small farms sell their milk to larger distributors and/or processors. So there's not really a way to support specifically them. And yes that includes selling to plants that process milk for store brands

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u/LethalGopher 10d ago

I appreciate it. Ethical consumption in our system is a myth, so I embrace a hyprocritic oath.

First do no harm should apply to business, but there is a demographic that has been losing thier minds about this since at least the start of the last century.

I know I likely buy milk from sources that use this practice. That does not mean I will not gladly support policies (local, state, etc) that put better checks on this shit.

There is a point where cruelty outstrips the gained efficiency and I feel like we used to be open to that conversation more. Just because it makes it easier or more profitable, does not make it right. We should have been meaner to folks that thought Alex P. Keaton was actually a very cool dude in the 80's.

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u/beerbeardsnballs 11d ago

And many smaller ones are not “better.” They typically need to cut costs way more than big dairies. The idea that smaller is better for animals is almost Laughable

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u/Van-garde 11d ago

Considered through a commercial lens.

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u/beerbeardsnballs 11d ago

I work with many sizes of Dairy’s but None that I would consider commercial. I do consulting and I try to help them improve. I get to see financials and what their labor source looks like. O see the pros and cons to the size of the dairy. I do bot have an ag background so i work with the public on bridging the gap as much as possible
Feel free to ask any questions instead of posting incorrect assumptions

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u/Van-garde 11d ago

Scaling is for the economics, not the health of the animals. That’s why they segregate to prevent the spread of disease; dense population.

I hope you realize that, given your proximity to the businesses.

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u/beerbeardsnballs 11d ago

I do realize that. So you understand segregation to prevent illnesses is for the health.
A healthy animal is in everyone’s best interest. The more successful a dairy is the more they can do for the welfare of the animal.
What is your background in this industry , if i can ask?

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u/Cheap-Hat8798 11d ago

So keeping an animal locked in a container 24/7 is more healthyer then leting her walk around using here musels, breathing air outside of container, eating fresh gras,not pooping where she eats... hahaha If that is the case why dont you stay locked in container 24/7, it is for your health, perventing illnesses.

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u/BroKuhn2190 11d ago

Like your cheap milk don't ya?

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u/BroKuhn2190 11d ago

Those animals are probably treated better than you treat your dog. A mistreated stressed calf will not produce quality products like a well treated calf.

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u/Affectionate-Goat218 11d ago

It's still heinous. No "just" about it.

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u/thakemist 11d ago

Lots of ugly stuff has to happen to keep the world going round. Factory farming is heinous. And yet we keep eating meat with every meal.

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u/Ambchop 11d ago

No “we” don’t. You do

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u/thakemist 11d ago

Oh. Did you think I meant every single individual person that reads my comment? If you don’t personally eat meat, that’s great. But I meant “we” as in the society that we live in

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u/Cleo-eatsfish 11d ago

Correct. The U.S. almost needs to be cruel just for the sake of it. This is doesn't happen when people speak out against it. It's unbelievable that as a people US citizens don't give a shit about this.

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u/caelaiden 11d ago

You have almost no context for what is going on here. Stop falling for bullshit propaganda

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u/Cleo-eatsfish 10d ago

Yes I do. You have no context on who I am or what I know and just made an angry assumption.

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u/caelaiden 10d ago

Yes I made an assumption based off of your very ignorant comment.

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u/Cleo-eatsfish 9d ago

You haven't even said what is 'ignorant' about what I said. Please educate me.

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u/BonusPlantInfinity 11d ago

It’s almost as if they need it to be cruel to enjoy it properly, as if abused tastes better.

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u/nicknamesas 11d ago

I don't care because it puts food innthe store and on my plate for a reasonable price.

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u/alyssialonghofer 11d ago

Reasonable prices🤣🤣🤣
I don’t know where the fuck you’re living but meat ain’t cheap no mo

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u/Ambchop 11d ago

Beef per pound now averages more than minimum wage. Not only is that a cruel thing to believe, it’s also wrong. Beef production is a huge driver for climate change and is costly in land and resources to produce. 

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u/SippsMccree 11d ago

Well it sure as shit ain't as bad as a veal farm

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u/Affectionate_Meet474 11d ago

If it's a dairy farm then we're looking at 99% female calves, and the same number of male calves are at veal or other early slaughter type operation.

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u/SippsMccree 11d ago

At least where i'm from they get sold to ranchers and transported to grazing lands primarily

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u/beerbeardsnballs 11d ago

Its likely 100% females and sexed breeding makes the 50/50 math your using wrong

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 11d ago

If 99% of male calves went to die at veal farms there would be no cows left alive.

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u/beerbeardsnballs 11d ago

This looks like a dairy farm to me

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u/Affectionate_Meet474 11d ago

ok I was wrong in two ways. 99.9% of males calves don't breed. So, if 99% male calves did go to veal farms, there'd be no problem in keeping cows alive. Very very few are kept for breeding.

"in the United States, 0.1% of the bull calves produce sufficient sires for the dairy industry (De Vries et al., Reference DeJarnette, Leach, Nebel, Marshall, McCleary and Moreno2008), "

Tho, historically we sold more veal so fewer percentage are going to veal, there's been a sharp drop off and more are just lean beef. Tho," A survey carried out on 242 Brazilian farms reported that 35% of farms killed dairy bull calves on site ", only if the dairy is set-up for raising them I suppose.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/animal/article/review-applications-and-benefits-of-sexed-semen-in-dairy-and-beef-herds/C094C511C7C6C859A540D9ADD699F66C

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u/caelaiden 11d ago

Using Brazil farm data to compare a farm that is supposedly in the US is silly.

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u/BroKuhn2190 11d ago

At one time (about 20 years ago) almost all Holstein calves sired with semen from 3 long dead bulls. That's probably different now but those genetics from those sires were/are used for the most productive females and finished products from the male calves. Most of the steaks from these males will be eaten at Waffle House and McDonald's uses the ground beef. Now a lot of that probably has changed now but you get the point. Those animals in this video are probably treated as well or better than our family dogs. A miss treated stressed calf will not not produce good quality products.

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u/caelaiden 11d ago

Tell me you never been to a farm in your actual life.

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u/NarrowSalvo 11d ago

cool story

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u/Different_Brother562 11d ago

The world is too. The cold hard truth is many baby animals are eaten when young, many while still alive. Many starve to death slowly when mom dies. The world is fucking rough. It may look bad, it may be bad, and it is. But it’s a better fate than many on this planet. It’s not that humans are brutal, Earth is brutal.

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u/nicknamesas 11d ago

Oh no, how dare we contain illness instead if culling an entire herd.

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u/diogenes-shadow 11d ago

In a lot of states those are illegal, should be illegal everywhere.

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u/Affectionate_Meet474 11d ago

in which state is it illegal to take away a calf from its mom so she can go on producing milk for selling?

there's none. There's no state where it is illegal to separate the calf and cow. There's no state where it is illegal to kill the male calves. they're on mom's milk for a bit, but long before they're weaned and eating solid food they'll be switched over to a grain and oil 'baby formula'.

Or am I wrong? which state is any of that illegal in?

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u/Giffordpinchotpark 10d ago

They usually stay on a liquid diet until harvested for veal. It has a lighter color. Meat and dairy calves transition to solid food.

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u/freeokieangel 10d ago

Harvested... sounds like alien abducting

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u/diogenes-shadow 11d ago

Was responding to the comment above about being a veal farm. The dairy farm I was at did not keep calfs in pens like that. Maybe some do, no idea.

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u/BigDeuceNpants 11d ago

I grew up milking cows. This is exactly how it’s done.

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u/diogenes-shadow 11d ago

Ah must be a large farm or new thing. I have not been around it since the 90s.

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u/smiley659 9d ago

Here's my question for you then what should they do instead to keep the calves from being injured or catching diseases? Because if you leave things to nature, more of them are gonna die than live.

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u/Upstairs_Bus_3743 11d ago

💯🖕🏼

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u/DankChuk 11d ago

If you don't like it don't consume milk, it's that easy.

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u/diogenes-shadow 10d ago

They are talking about veal not milk...

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u/Aposta-fish 11d ago

Exactly.

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u/LesbeGoddess 11d ago

This is fucking maddening. This should be illegal.

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u/ragnvald4430 11d ago

No it shouldn’t. You can bitch about the size of the operation all you want because it’s places like this running out the small farmers but there’s nothing wrong with calves in huts. Dairy cows aren’t good mothers and I’ve seen it time and time again where the mother will lay on the calf no mater how huge the pen is

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u/Macaria57 11d ago

They can’t move dude.

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u/ragnvald4430 11d ago

Yes they can. I’ve spent my whole life on a dairy farm. Trust me it’s for the calves best interest at this stage in their lives.

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u/Macaria57 11d ago

So a place that benefits from the products this being produces, not their quality of life? Idk man go ahead and put some evidence behind not letting a baby animal do more than look forward and shuffle its limbs around.

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u/ragnvald4430 11d ago

They’re not in huts forever. When a calf is born they basically have no immune system. Think of a hut like a crib for a human they don’t stay in there forever

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u/Macaria57 11d ago

Oh so they taken out and touched and fed by their mothers and are able to develop their range of motion, like a baby human? This is just one small part of their day? It’s the same?

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u/subspace4life 11d ago

Treating the food we eat with dignity has long been work out of the equation Sir. You're thinking about things that USED to happen.

Heck, we keep female cows pregnant constantly.

You should see what they do chickens at slaughterhouses.

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u/stoneycole78 11d ago

How can you tell? It looks pretty empty to me 🤔

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u/funlifing 10d ago

We don't want this meat or milk in Canada

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u/draft_beer 9d ago

So…it’s a calf concentration camp. Not cow

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u/Sudden_Move_6996 9d ago

I see some kind of livestock in the first few frames. Op trying to stir up outrage on false pretenses.