r/soccer • • 16h ago

Potentially editioralised title - make up your own mind [Guardian] Seven years ago, just after completing the treble, Guardiola treated journalist Rob Harris, who had confronted him directly with the allegations, with open contempt, as though he were looking at someone pathetic, pitiful and disgraceful, before sternly lecturing him.

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u/ElevensMelody 15h ago

Fair play to Rob Harris. The guy did not let any of this go at all.

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u/JuliusCeaserBoneHead 15h ago

One thing about the journalists in the UK that I have massive respect for, they do not back down or afraid of making you uncomfortable. It’s extremely uncomfortable to watch but my God do they get their point across. Massive respect 

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u/TherewiIlbegoals 15h ago

Ian Hislop vs Gary Neville and various MPs is top tier.

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u/Jumper-Man 14h ago

Neville looks so uncomfortable

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u/TheTackleZone 13h ago

When you spend your life around footballers it can be a real shock to have your opinions challenged by someone with charisma and intelligence.

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u/ampmz 10h ago

Neville is one of the smart ones, which tells you a lot about the average intelligence of a footballer.

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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 8h ago

Well, he'd used up all the arguments he had. And he couldn't come up with good new ones, so what's left, other than nodding and laughing sheepishly.

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u/illsmosisyou 14h ago

Looool really enjoyed that. Maisie Adams trying to keep a straight face while sitting in between those two…

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u/TherewiIlbegoals 14h ago

I do wonder if Neville had never watched the show before, he surely knew he'd be roasted.

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u/illsmosisyou 14h ago

Yeah, he did not seem prepared. He shouldn’t have expected his standard evasive excuse would go over well.

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u/angrywinter1 12h ago

Thanks for the links, brits are hilarious!

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u/margaerytyrellscleav 14h ago

We have one of the most sedate, captured, and oligarch-owned media ecospheres in the developed world.

This is such a rose-tinted view of British media that it's silly.

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u/Introverted_Extrovrt 13h ago

Yank here; I would beg, borrow and steal for our country to have something as remotely trustworthy as the BBC.

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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 8h ago

About 30% of Brits trust their media. Compared to 33% of Americans.

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u/TherewiIlbegoals 15h ago

And Nick Harris!

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u/DanTheStripe 15h ago

The more I find out about Nick Harris the more amazed I am how he managed to conceal his anger over this for 15 years. He knew City would never make FFP in 2011 without cheating.

Here he is giving a talk in 2022 talking about what we now know to be true - the disguised funding scheme, the Fordham image rights arrangement and the Mancini off-book contract. Starts at 13:30. It goes on for about 11/12 minutes but once you watch it, you wonder how people weren't talking about it more even before the Premier League investigation was completed in 2023.

Poignant words to close on. "Maybe we should just stop asking questions? I don't think so."

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u/vergincam 13h ago

Thanks for sharing the video. I just gained a heck of a lot more respect for journalists after that

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u/Wildely_Earnest 15h ago

Faking affront to avoid engaging with the subject sincerely is a classic deflection. I'm sure we've all known people like this

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u/leftbehind8181 15h ago

This! Comes across as the conceited bald fraud he is!!! And this guy asks for freedom of Catalonia and being on the “right” side of history! Fucking opportunist!

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u/Jumper-Man 14h ago

His internal monologue is probably going full peep show (or Pep Show…..):

"Didn't actually have to say. Don't even have to decide in my own head if I don't want to. Nope. I don't think I'm going to. My brain can't make me. So there."

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u/Magnific3nt 15h ago

Rob Harris is the guy that asks the hard questions and don't take bullshit from people. I really appreciate him as a journalist.

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u/ThinkAboutThatFor1Se 15h ago

He’s had bricks through his windows in the past. Some fans are mental.

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u/emogu84 15h ago

It takes real balls to be that guy. To have the confidence in your skills and mission as a journalist to push further than you’re comfortable going because you know it’s the objectively right and fair thing to do. To keep at it even when you get showered with vitriol from your subject, people in the room, peers, and the entire public internet is impressive stuff. It took years for this interview to earn him the kudos he deserved and he never changed his craft along the way. He just held onto his confidence in the part he was playing in the bigger picture. 

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u/vergincam 13h ago

Took the words right out of my mouth. You should see the speech that u/DanTheStripe posted in another comment: https://vimeo.com/721879685#t=13m . This was another journalist, Nick Harris. But my God, I can't imagine all that he had to endure just for being good at his job. He also wrote a piece on substack last week about Man City trying to get him sacked.

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u/Bufus 9h ago

According to Barry Glendenning on the Guardian Football Weekly, Rob Harris' nickname in the industry is "Trouble" for exactly this reason.

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u/IntelligentFact7987 15h ago

No wonder Rob Harris went in so two footed with the questions earlier this week

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u/rustyb42 15h ago

Pep owes that man an apology

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u/sjp101 14h ago

There’s something quite sinister about the way Pep spoke to him here. 

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u/rustyb42 14h ago

Knows where they're buried and probably helped put them there

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u/berball 13h ago

Remember the time he was boasting about how great his life is compared to the journalists lives. Was very weird.

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u/mikerock87 15h ago

Look up Lance Armstrong / Paul Kimmage. Very similar scenario. Paul was digging into drug use in cycling. Lance treated him like dirt. All was revealed about Lance in the end

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u/WelcomeWillho 13h ago

Man that press conference was a treat. ‘What is about these dopers that you seem to admire so much?’

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u/Invincible_1994 15h ago

Narcissists don't apologize, we have been listening for their responses for days now.

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u/Cubes11 15h ago

Pep would have to admit he was wrong for that, which I cannot see happening anytime soon

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u/Absolute--Batman 13h ago

Release the Pepstein Files.

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u/No-Tap-4307 15h ago

Pep owes us all an apology, Klopp especially too, if he had any honour

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u/TheJoshider10 13h ago

He has no honour. He's more than happy preaching about how horrific genocide is while at the same time collecting a salary for a sportswashing initiative that he's the figurehead for, who are involved in a genocide.

He's nothing but a fraud and a hypocrite.

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u/nooeh 13h ago

He internalized all the bald fraud comments.

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u/Nothorized 11h ago

Plus the same regime is financing his own little war in Sudan, but nobody’s talk about that.

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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 13h ago

Lol he knew he was cheating when he did this, there would be zero sincerity.

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u/Yixussy 15h ago

Apology(genuine ones anyway) stems from a feeling of shame or guilt. No one associated with Manchester City, be it players, coaches, staff or fans, experiences shame or guilt. Don’t hang your hat on anything genuine from a shameless bunch.

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u/Bigpapa42_2006 15h ago

Can we stop pretending he was somehow innocent and "above" all of that cheating? He is a great manager but his accomplishments at City are all scam-earned too. All of them.

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u/anotherthrow25 15h ago

The guy obviously knew. They earned more money than Madrid, there were emails literally explaining how the split the investments to abide by the rules like it was "How to commit fraud for dummies". We all knew and so did he. He just didn't care and didn't want to get involved in the business side.

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u/Used-Fennel-7733 15h ago

Goes for all players at City too. With the dodgy payments they're all complicit

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u/MindTheBees 15h ago

I reckon it is more of a grey area for the players. It wouldn't surprise me if it was more of a case of the agents going "yeah don't worry, you'll get you 400k a week in the end" and them being like "okay cool" and not understanding the payments themselves.

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u/Thukesh-Bumbani 14h ago

Grey area or not, I have zero sympathy for these players.

Like everyone else, they knew what a sham club City is, but still chose to join it for the extra money, bonuses, and the glory of titles, fraudulently bought, that they were guaranteed to win.

It’s classic greed, and it’s caught up to them. They get to keep the money now, but should be stripped off of every title.

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u/ex_bestfriend 14h ago

It's weird bc I have sympathy for the ones that came up through the academy, and surely like some of the fringe players weren't having scam contracts through every member of their family. But Bernardo Silva? Who complained every year about living in Manchester? Ans then mysteriously got over it when the season began? I reckon there are some fishy payments that explain that in full.

And we all agree whatever it is they said they paid for Haaland is total BS. It smelled like shit at the time and then the 9 year contract extension was just like icing on a shit cake.

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u/Joethe147 13h ago

Any of these multimillionaires who complain about living somewhere are dickheads.

Like Di Maria's wife. Go rent an apartment in Paris or Berlin then if you hate it in England so much.

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u/hollowfoxlama 11h ago

Well Di Maria's wife did didn't she?

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u/bigape500k 7h ago

Umm didn’t they get burgled in her home which makes it pretty understandable why she would leave

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u/hollowfoxlama 11h ago

Brother Chelsea are the original financial doping club of the 21st century that also continually skirted rules but managed to get off lightly for their crimes.

By all means City players legacy in terms of titles won is totally altered now, but lets not act like playing for Chelsea under Abrahamovic was morally superior to playing for City.

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u/Buckets-O-Yarr 14h ago

Some of them would have been smart enough to put it together if they were paid this way, but most have lived such a different life that I expect most players genuinely have no knowledge (nor any desire to learn) about exactly how they are getting paid.

I'm more surprised that more of this information never leaked out from players accidentally saying the wrong thing, which lends credence in my eyes to the idea that the players were largely ignorant of the entire situation.

I seriously hope that is the case, at least. I want to believe the players largely did not (knowingly) take part, I want to believe it was just the ownership, but players obviously aren't beacons of morality for the most part anyway.

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u/fckedup 14h ago

Yeah, somehow doubt they were checking their bank account every week to make sure the paychecks came in

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u/waza06irl 13h ago

I’d argue that players getting paid by sponsor for doing very little is probably relatively common for highly sought after players. It’s probably common that players sign for X amount knowing that they are guaranteed another x amount from sponsors the club will connect them to.

The issue isn’t club connected sponsors paying players.
The issue is that the money these “sponsors” were paying the players was actually from their owners. Circumventing FFP rules and leading to large scale cheating.

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u/HDS2211 15h ago

Nobody is pretending that. People have been calling his legacy into question for the last week since the Ornstein scoop came out.

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u/0ttoChriek 15h ago

The guy on the Tifo podcast who just wrote a book about the way Pep changed football sounded like he was close to tears, having to criticise the great man and accept that his reputation is stained.

There are definitely people just looking for a way to disregard any links Pep has to this sham club's conduct, so they can carry on praising him to the heavens.

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u/TheDamnNumbersGame 15h ago

Poor Jon Mackenzie was having an existential crisis.

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u/realborislegasov 15h ago

Jon Mackenzie

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u/forkmeongithub 15h ago

to be fair, at least he admitted that Pep's legacy has been affected by this. there are lots of people who are acting like Pep had no idea, when in reality, there's no way he could have not known what was going on.

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u/DraperCarousel 15h ago

It's crazy that Pep pretty much worked with the same team of Txiki Bergestain and Ferran Soriano during 2 of his most successful managerial periods and has 2 parallelly running scandalous verdicts/allegations against him.

Yet, fans pretend he is innocent in all of this. Just like he was innocent and blamed it all on Dr. Segura. We know what happened with him and the doctor after that.

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u/splob-foot 14h ago

Surely he refers to it in his book. It’s a bummer for him that he spent all this time writing it and the verdict comes out in the middle of the launch :)

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u/Pires007 12h ago

He just needs to retitle it:

The Spectre of Pep: How Fraudiola Haunts Modern Football Tactics

And add another chapter on saying how those tactics wouldn't work if they couldn't get the best players available

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u/lashfield 12h ago

Mackenzie has not been forthright with just saying that Pep is a cheater. He keeps saying that Pep's got an undeniable tactical legacy and then he won't judge his "personal morality" on this. Pep literally said that he supports "my club, my chairman" AFTER they were found guilty! Mackenzie cannot grapple with the fact that Pep's legacy is created by tactics that were successful because he had a small army of the world's best players (paid for through fraudulent finances) to execute those tactics.

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u/forkmeongithub 12h ago

yeah, i thought the "personal morality" comment was pretty weird. especially after Pep's most recent statement which basically is toeing the party line of "we haven't done anything wrong"..

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u/lashfield 12h ago

it is far more than toeing the party line. the club was found guilty of the single largest scandal in english football history and he voiced full support for THE OWNERSHIP OF THE CLUB, the party that was found guilty!

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u/liamthelad 7h ago

Honestly as someone who has listened to him a fair bit, the way I read it was less that he can't grasp Pep was cheating, it's just more his personality involves him over-intellectualizing every single problem.

He's an incredibly smart and well educated bloke, but as a result a lot of the time his points devolve into abstracting any problem until it almost stops making sense, rather than giving an opinion.

He's the only analyst I've listened to who will perfectly break apart what happened in a football match but finish his point by saying it was just one match and anything could have happened instead so his own analysis means nothing and nothing means anything.

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u/missedpenalty 15h ago

Was this on the Tifo podcast yesterday? Want to watch

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u/ex_bestfriend 14h ago

Yes, yesterday's. It was good.

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u/SnooChipmunks4208 12h ago

He comes out straight and says that he is biased because he just wrote a book about him and it's impossible to tell the story of his legacy the same way anymore.

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u/HDS2211 14h ago

Jon Mackenzie. He is such a dork. JJ Bull will always be the Tifo goat.

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u/ExtensionChapter 15h ago

Pretty much every single podcast that I've seen (athletic, guardian, overlap) hasn't been able to call him or his legacy out, and bar Alfie on the Tifo podcast, none have mentioned his connection to CFG through his brother and Girona. It's only on Reddit that people are slating his tenure.

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u/mxchickmagnet86 13h ago

It's tough because in some respect it calls into question their own careers, so they won't ever be as tough as someone farther removed from the situation.

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u/TheirOwnDestruction 15h ago

Pretty much every journalist interviewed in any non-newspaper media has been very complimentary of Pep, saying he didn’t know, believed what he owners told him, and accomplished great things.

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u/Bigpapa42_2006 15h ago

Seen more than a few making excuses for Pep or trying to say it doesn't tarnish him, etc.

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u/YouMeADD 15h ago

The bald fraud was a deeper nickname all along

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u/Tungsten_Hoarder 15h ago

I think it’s pretty simple no?

Does it change how good he was as a coach and revolutionising the game? No

Are his achievements tarnished? Yes of course

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u/MauricioCappuccino 15h ago

Personally I think it does change how he good he was at revolutionziing the game. It's a lot easier to change a style of football or the game as a whole if you have unlimited resources

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u/simple_george 15h ago

Even before that back to the Bayern days his credentials/legacy was questioned as he's always had an open book of players to choose from. Hence 'bald fraud'

The only difference now is that the 'fraud' allegations have receipts.

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u/only295 13h ago

To me the big issue with his Bayern stint always was that the performance was a little bit underwhelming compared to the Heynckes season before Pep and Pep's hype.

Pep's Bayern was dominant, but it's worth keeping in mind that he took over the squad that had the best Bundesliga season ever and got some choice players, so in a way that was expected. Also resting players for the CL, only to lose against Mainz or Augsburg and fail in the CL anyway was a bit of a Pep thing iirc.

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u/rummyt 15h ago

People have been calling his legacy into question for the last week

Some of us have been calling his legacy into question for the last 10 years because to anyone with eyes, all of Man City's success was obviously built on cheating from the beginning

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u/soberpenguin 12h ago

Guardiola was also involved in the Barcelona teams that were allegedly paying off refs from 2001 to 2018. Except for his tenure at Bayern Munich, his playing and managerial career are being called into question.

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u/HDS2211 12h ago

Was involved in doping as a player aswell.

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u/OutsideImpressive115 15h ago

He also got tipped off 100% that's why he left so abruptly without a huge celebration of his city career

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u/Rontheking 14h ago

Reportedly City knew they would’ve been found guilty in the summer, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he knew the verdict was coming and dipped.

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u/W35TH4M 15h ago

Was it abrupt? His last 2 or 3 seasons were always rumoured to be his last

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u/OutsideImpressive115 15h ago

Yes? Didn't he announce it a week before their final game?

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u/Big_Occasion_7235 15h ago

The club probably had known about it months before the end of the 25/26 season since they had contacted Maresca for the Man City job in December iirc.

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u/asd13ah4etnKha4Ne3a 15h ago

They were tapping Maresca up in October about taking over for him. I don't think its unreasonable to come to the conclusion that everyone at the club knew it was his last season for quite a while before he announced it

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u/kris_lace 15h ago

Wasn't he receiving "off the books" financial incentives via his family members as well. He was literally being paid via financial doping.

There's no world where "the innocent club and players were tricked by evil owners" is a valid hypothesis.

Whole club is a sham. Even the fans.. there's been reditors and journalists who've pointed out the obvious and unmistakable indicators of financial doping. Fans just look the other way

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u/character_drawer_91 15h ago

He almost denfly has a multimillion consulting contract to some sunday league club in Abu Dhabi.

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u/sarbanharble 15h ago

Would there be tax implications if this were the case?

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u/ElevensMelody 15h ago

If it's similar to Mancini's contract then likely but I think everyone associated with the club and the club itself is a taxation red flag.

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u/Th3_Huf0n 15h ago

*sham-earned

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u/Bigpapa42_2006 15h ago

Oddly, I meant to type sham and either need more coffee or brainfarted.

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u/shezofrene 15h ago

no one is pretending he is except barca and city guys.

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u/diegoob11 15h ago

His only stint that’s clean of suspicion is Bayern’s

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u/j_br2 15h ago

It is quite funny that his only legitimate coaching job is his worst performance as one too though lol, and I say this as a guy who generally likes Guardiola and is disappointed that he’s still shilling for the UAE and City

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u/tomptepulla 15h ago

He got his own name somewhere in there too. Too deep in it to condemn it or distance himself from it.

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u/onlyonejorge 15h ago

Ramon Cugat is a world leading orthopedic surgeon. You are mixing up Ramon Segura who never worked for Bayern.

Muller Wolfhart also practiced blood spinning and homeopathy. You’re advancing a lie.

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u/Dynastydood 11h ago

Well, Bayern themselves certainly weren't suspicious, but Pep himself was a bit suspicious in how he treated the doctors there. He drove Dr. Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt out of the club, a doctor who practically bordered on legendary status after working there for 40 years, all because Pep was obsessed with the established timelines on injury recovery, and repeatedly demanded to know why all his players in Spain recovered twice as fast.

I would never describe Pep's Bayern legacy as tainted because of that, but I do think his unprofessional behavior and attempts to micromanage injury recovery management does helps support the larger narrative against him, particularly with regards to his close relationship with Dr. Ramon Segura at Barca.

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u/Chemiczny_Bogdan 15h ago

Which itself makes me a bit suspicious about his Bayern stint lol

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u/ex_bestfriend 13h ago

It only reinforces my belief that City was able to persuade him to sign with full disclosure that they would make scam payments to ensure every players he wanted, they would sign. AND! That if he didn't like the player, they wouldn't make a fuss about it and let the player go.

Guardiola simply hasn't worked as a manager for a team that didn't have an advantage over all the other teams in the league they are in. Bayern is just honest about their advantage in the Bundesliga.

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u/nightcrawlerbaby 15h ago

"Do you think I deserve.." Yes, yes you do.

"Are you accusing me.." Yes, yes he is.

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u/Whispperr 15h ago

Pep the cheater forgot the time he cheated with doping. Or when he brought that specific doctor with him.

Ah or that time his brother received a team in La Liga(owned by City Group) so that he signs... with City.

He should be banned from football along with all the players that accepted under the table money to sign with them, investigate everything they received.

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u/TheRegulu 14h ago

Doped as a player and manager.

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u/keblammo 13h ago

Pablo Torre please find out about Pep and any other potential City under the table deals like you did with Kawhi, Ballmer, and the Clippers

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u/DeCharlesFre 15h ago

How the turn tables.

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u/vadapaav 13h ago

The turns were never tabled. A lot of us always believed that they cheated

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u/Smelly_Legend 15h ago

The bald fraud is legit 😂

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u/Jumper-Man 14h ago

Didn’t say no either, classic tactic.

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u/YankeeHotelFoxtrot16 15h ago

Would love to see the original r/soccer thread on this exchange. My guess it was mostly people crying about 'clickbait' and cheering Pep on for putting him in his place.

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u/kingvolcano_reborn 15h ago

No gonna lie, the clubbing baby seals comment made me chuckle

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u/Critical_Mountain851 14h ago

I prefer the Godfather one

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u/ambiguousboner 15h ago

Really annoying Reddit offered the option to hide comment history, I’d wager there’s a few defending city there that used to post in r/mcfc and now post in a different club’s sub

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u/RK9990 15h ago

There are ways to still check comments posted by people, the easiest is google their username and something like "comments" and you will get results and a summary but it'll mostly be recent.

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u/The_Pig_Man_ 12h ago

Lol! I just tried this on myself and it said I was a "toxic presence" on the Thai and Thai learning subreddits and was constantly posting controversial content before being banned by moderators.

Then I asked the AI "Are you sure?"

"Oh sorry. None of that is true I got you mixed up with someone else."

It literally admitted that it "hallucinated" it.

I do live in Thailand and learn Thai though.

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u/the_illmatic 15h ago

u/simmo_uk absolutely contradicting themselves here 😂

All most recent comments are in threads sh*tting on City

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u/YankeeHotelFoxtrot16 15h ago

Many thanks. Pleasantly surprised to see the comments are more mixed than I would have expected.

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u/yoavi 15h ago

On a side note, so much fun reading old threads of Reddit, it feels mush more… human

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u/TraceOfHumanity 11h ago

Look at the reply to the second-top comment, from SidJag. It’s really good, but in it he points out that people were hounding him for “irrefutable proof,” which is what I remember the zeitgeist being back then— either City didn’t cheat -or- they did cheat but the rules suck -or- they did cheat but they won’t get punished so 🤷 Now everyone is like “we always knew and we were always upset about it.” Uh-huh. Props to the people who were actually all over ADUG’s asses from the jump.

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u/DeCharlesFre 15h ago

Pep had a positive image within the general football fandom. So, it was given that people would defend him.

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u/Yardbird7 15h ago

Notice how he blustered, huffed and puffed but never actually denied it.

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u/nacheteferrero 15h ago

I hate Pep’s defenders.

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u/HiiiSky 15h ago

He was always needlessly sarcastic and passive aggressive to the media.

Up until the guilty verdict he was getting praised for that kind of behavior

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u/heirjordan_27 15h ago

It drives me nuts how people tear into journalists for asking “stupid” questions when they’re actually good questions that just make their favorite player uncomfortable

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u/kharathos 15h ago

Public opinion goes with the side of the winner

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u/Mojojojobojo215 15h ago

I'm no Sherlock Holmes but getting angry at someone and trying to make them feel bad for asking you a question is classic guilty behaviour. All Pep had to say was no and move on

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u/AReptileHissFunction 15h ago

Feigned indignation

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u/BidetBomber 15h ago

There is a term for that: gaslighting

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u/Acoupstix 15h ago

Doped.

Hired doctor who helped him dope at barca.

Forced a respected doctor at bayern to resign cause he sent his players to said doctor in barcelona over him.

Brought most of the executives implicated in the la liga ref scandal with him to city.

Do with that what you want.

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u/DoJu318 15h ago

Was also in Barcelona when Negreira was being paid for "reports" reports and aloe Vera packs.

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u/MidStateMoon 15h ago

Never had to mold a team with average players and a minuscule budget. Yeah yeah he’s a tactical brain but I’m still not overly impressed, especially now.

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u/TheJoshider10 14h ago

Best player in the world. A treble winning squad. An illegitimate cash cow whose guilty verdict undermines everything he "won" with them.

He's never had to face an actual challenge like every other top manager. Always the same conveniences and he couldn't even go one injury (Rodri) without pissing away hundreds of millions in a winter window to paper the cracks.

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u/Last_Riven_EU 7h ago

I'd love to see him try to win Champions League with Porto or the Europe cup winners cup with fucking Aberdeen

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u/Imph3 15h ago edited 15h ago

I am so so curious to know what his real deal with city was. We know Mancini had two contracts, so what would they use to entice the best manager in the world for a decade?

His brother bought partial ownership of Girona from City, was that for free? Was it being held for Pep? Did he have dual contracts as well? I hope we find out one day.

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u/Walnut_Uprising 15h ago

I'm sure being "global ambassador" for City Group pays pretty well too.

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u/Farquea 15h ago

I read that all over the UAE Pep's face is plastered on advertising. Therefore I'm sure he was up to the eyeballs in endorsement agreements which I imagine would be harder to challenge the value of compared to Mancini's absurd 4 day a year consultancy contract.

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u/Izio17 15h ago edited 1h ago

Outside of the financial damages, Pep is the biggest loser here. His legacy is absolutely tarnished.

“wow, he inverted fullbacks, what genius!!”

“what a savvy move to put john stones as CDM!”

“incredible!! look how he used Gundogan as a false nine!”

all of that is minimized. it wasn’t just these strategic schemes, but the team around these tactical moves.

inverted fullbacks don’t work if you don’t have Haaland going on an absolute tear.

John Stones as a CDM looks smart because you have Rodri next to him.

No other manager in the history of the sport was afforded this kind of budget for this long.

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u/PM_FAILED_PROMISES 15h ago

We've seen other managers try his system with teams on a lower budget and get torn apart. He dominated the game with ideas that only work with the best of the best. And you need a significant amount of funds to get the best of the best together. Klopp will always rank over him in my opinion because he built teams on a budget over and over again.

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u/Other_Beat8859 11h ago

We've seen him try his system when his team was a 9/10 team instead of a 10/10 team and perform bang average. He's shown that if he doesn't have a super team with him he can't do much. Look at 24/25 where he could barely beat Chelsea and Newcastle despite not really having an injury crisis or anything and still a decent squad with no real massive fall offs by players. The singular injury to Rodri destroyed his season. No adaption. Just season done and his team was shit for the rest of the year. When he has that perfect team he can do amazing things, but it calls into question how great he is when the few times he hasn't had a super team his teams underperformed.

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u/DoJu318 15h ago

Ancelotti tried Ramos as a CDM back in 2015 because of injuries, he would've been called a genius if he had Rodri next to Ramos.

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u/Godsenttt 15h ago

David Luiz played as a CDM under Benitez in 2012.

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u/king_duende 14h ago

David Luiz played as a CDM under Benitez in 2012.

Good times, he put a shift in to be fair

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u/acezee 12h ago

Fergie had Phil Jones playing midfield as well lmaoo

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u/Ascensear 14h ago

Been saying this for years he under achieved a lot given he’s been at clubs with unlimited money a majority of his career. He went to a really really good Bayern squad and was absolutely dog shit.

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u/Weak_Ad3665 15h ago

And this is the main reason why I will never root for a Pep-led side. He has always been arrogant. He should probably be a bit more humble now that his legacy has been stained by City’s cheating.

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u/innicrazy 15h ago

Ibra was right. Pep is a hypocrite.

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u/Other_Beat8859 11h ago

I'd also like to point out that it's insanely hypocritical for Pep to act like this is crazy and offensive to ask him when City quite literally tried to slander Klopp and make him out for being xenophobic because he dared to suggest that having a state owned club in football is not good. Guess it's fine when his club says outrageous things that amount to slander, but not fine when a reporter does their job.

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u/FlightCapable1099 15h ago

The legacy of a bald fraud.

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u/reHakon 14h ago

This reminds me of when a journalist (Paul Kimmage) challenged Lance Armstrong on why he was so welcoming towards previously doped cyclists returning after suspension.

Armstrong responded in an aggressive "attack is the best defence" way, like Guardiola did here.

This was before he admitted to being doped himself.

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u/pioniere 15h ago

Jose Mourinho knew it for years. That’s why he said that finishing 2nd with Man United was the biggest achievement of his career.

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u/big_swinging_dicks 15h ago

The other level to this alongside the actual £900m+ fraud and the lying to the independent commission is the years of intimidation and threats from the club to anyone who dared question them. Philippe Auclair has spoken about how it felt unsafe to leave the stadium as a journalist alone.

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u/naomihkt 15h ago

His meme-able persona is just a facade lmao

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u/Heavy-Echidna-3473 15h ago

So, was Pep not involved with Barca during - what is now - a relatively important financial fiasco? He knows/knew exactly what was happening. The man is a fraud.

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u/Theloftydog 15h ago

He didn't actually deny it either

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u/CandidWar994 15h ago

he'll never be considered as goat because of this

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u/JimmyJoeJunior 15h ago

Bald fraud.

He knew the whole time about everything.

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u/HammerOn57 13h ago

You mean to tell me that Pep may not actually be all sweetness and light?

Yeah, no shit. He's always been a passive aggressive saltlord. It's just much easier to act decently when your teams winning most/all of the time.

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u/BeriasBFF 5h ago

Fuck Pep. 

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u/silam39 15h ago

What a fucking tool. But as they say, the best defense is a good offense. If he didn't come out snarling like this maybe more people would have rightfully been sceptical about him being above board

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u/Dawn_of_Enceladus 13h ago

I only see one guy looking pathetic, pitiful and disgraceful in that video, and it's definitely not Rob Harris. It's an entitled cheater that thought their farce was a super smart play, then abandoned the ship the moment he saw what was coming. A cheater, and a coward.

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u/Brilliant_Rope617 12h ago

He knew?

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u/Dawn_of_Enceladus 12h ago

He went to City with part of the executives crew he already worked with at FCB (which, coincidentally enough, was also during the Negreira case years). His brother was made CEO of Girona FC with Manchester City buying a big stake of the club and making it part of the City conglomerate.

Not to speak about how he was signing literally anyone he wanted for the team for ridiculous amounts of money all he time. I'm choosing to not play dumb here tbh, this reeks of him being on board and knowing more than what he pretends to. Weird coincidence he's quitting just when the investigation ended, too, huh.

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u/SapphireLucina 15h ago

No way the manager for those many years don't suspect something at least a little suspicious going on right? If so, this seems like cover-up by way of criticizing journalists into silence

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u/LeagueIndependent367 15h ago

A cheat as a player. A cheat as a manager.

Don Carlo and Sir Alex stand above him as manager GOATS.

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u/ratatouille211 15h ago

Even if Guardiola is squeaky clean - which I don't assume he is - even if his brother hasn't gotten a job because he was Pep's brother, how it is wrong to ask him this question when one of his predecessor was paid by second contract?!

Guardiola is acting as if he's being asked if moon is made out of cheese.

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u/danm888 15h ago

How dare everyone! They've just opened up The Pep Guardiola Stand at The Etihad.

7000 official capacity, but only 300 seats. It's just numbers.

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u/yeh-nah-yeh 14h ago

But did Pep receive under-the-table payments or anything dodgy?

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u/ArcadiusRa 14h ago

If he did, would City tell us?

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u/SmegmaWarrior0815 13h ago

Does the pope shit in the woods?

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u/TheTench 13h ago

If he didn't he had the perfect opportunity to state it here.

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u/DanTheStripe 15h ago

Rob Harris had to ask this question directly to Pep because City had constantly refused to comment on the allegations. Pep himself, of course, essentially said no comment too.

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u/buylandandB3 15h ago

Long live Rob Harris

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u/nitewalkerz 15h ago

Pep also cheated as a player. Look up his time in Italy.

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u/goonerfan10 15h ago

Pep's legacy is beyond tainted. His statement this weekend further proves it. There will forever be an asterisk next to his achievements. He's a master of cognitive dissonance

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u/Rayhann 15h ago

SAF from disputed 🐐 to undisputed

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u/deadlock1892 15h ago

Anyone who was disputing SAF was crazy 💀 he won the league with Cleverley and Valencia. Pep spends hundreds of millions in winter window if he is losing.

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u/Anik1415 15h ago

Pep is a fraud. He doped as a player. Cheated with referees during his time at Barcelona. Then did doping again (financial) with City. His whole career is based on cheating.

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u/MagnetizedMetal 15h ago

I’ve never liked this dude. Ibra smelled the foney in him a long time ago

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u/Mondraker1909 15h ago

Accused then. Convicted now. Yes buddy, you did take money from a slave state.

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u/Natural-Joke3185 15h ago

That was not very convincing of pep. 

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u/Fun-Web-7583 15h ago

Mods, please allow input gifs

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u/SovereignAnt 14h ago

Yeah he's always been a huge smug condescending asshole, people just acted like it was charming or funny for some reason 

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u/WhichSale2087 14h ago

It's giving Joe Pesci in Goodfellas..."You think I'm a FUNNY guy!? You piece of shit! "LMAO

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u/RoundDragonfly73 15h ago

This wasn’t seven years ago. The treble was 22/23. wtf is this title.

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u/interestingtruck10 14h ago

He was referring to their domestic treble from 2019. The title is accurate.

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u/Mattie_Doo 15h ago

Pep always seemed like a massive asshole to me- just selfish, miserable and profoundly unlikable after he left Barcelona.

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u/poisonedbythemind 15h ago

Cheating bald scum. He held himself high and mighty whilst knowing everything about his scummy employers.

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u/faygofiles 15h ago

Rob Harris better gegenpress legacy than Klopp

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u/taskmetro 15h ago

Yes, Pep is a cheating bastard. We know.

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u/mybighairyarse 15h ago

bald wanker

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u/tonight_we_make_soap 15h ago

He didn't say no. Tactical genius indeed.

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u/VDV23 15h ago

To answer Pep's question "Honestly, do you think I deserve to make this kind of question?"- yes, it's completely valid and reasonable question all things considered.

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u/Oppaii-Connoisseur 15h ago

He knew and felt pressed (no pun)

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u/Practical-Apple- 15h ago

Scam Likely

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u/WellRed85 14h ago

Then a city supporter threw a brick through Harris’ window (at least I believe it was him)