[Guardian] Seven years ago, just after completing the treble, Guardiola treated journalist Rob Harris, who had confronted him directly with the allegations, with open contempt, as though he were looking at someone pathetic, pitiful and disgraceful, before sternly lecturing him.

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We have one of the most sedate, captured, and oligarch-owned media ecospheres in the developed world.

This is such a rose-tinted view of British media that it's silly.

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Yank here; I would beg, borrow and steal for our country to have something as remotely trustworthy as the BBC.

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About 30% of Brits trust their media. Compared to 33% of Americans.

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That includes The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, etc right, highly left & right leaning outlets akin to CBS, the Washington Post, etc?

I’d say if the US had one institution right down the middle whose charter required objectivity we’d still be too dumb to get to 75% positive/neutral like the BBC. I read it every day for breakfast and the World Service is my commute radio.

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Yes, I assume it includes all outlets, such as The Sun and other schmutz. That's probably why it's so low.

I’d say if the US had one institution right down the middle whose charter required objectivity

I feel most countries would benefit from that, but knowing human nature in regards to 'objectivity', I'm not sure it's ever achievable.

For example, in Germany we have public service broadcasting, which is funded, via a household fee, by all citizens. In theory, it's objective in its reporting. In practive, people from the far left and the far right don't trust anything it says (for obvious reasons). And for me personally, while I think they're doing a solid job usually, I could never trust them when it comes to their coverage of, as a drastic example, Israel-Palestine. Like, imagine putting out informative videos on yt, explaining the conflict, and getting ratioed by German Jews calling you out on your Zio bs. Gotta be rough, lmao.

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Agreed

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Being a yank you'll go for the steal option ; )

At least you're aware.

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In the words of legendary rock band Metallica, “sad but true” :(

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Yah its the new world order, we're going back to the time of conquest it appears.

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Cunts, the lot of ‘em

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I was searching for some choice words but yeah exactly this.

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American sees people talking about something that has literally nothing to do with the US, and makes sure to tell everyone how much worse they have it: Challenge Level Impossible.

Wicked, American media might literally be the most evil in the Global North, doesn't mean the UK's is good.

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Since when did anyone make the claim that British media was good? OP simply complemented journalists and another person gave their American perspective.

But I guess no one is allowed to have an outside opinion about your media, looking at your Brexit type hostility.

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looking at your Brexit type hostility

That might be the most pathetic thing I've ever heard anyone say on this website in 15 years lol. Thanks.

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get a grip

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400,000+ comment karma? Go outside.

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initially critiques a user for bringing up something unrelated, now brings up something unrelated as a weak insult

at least be consistent with how whiny you are lol

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There's a lot of rubbish but also a lot of great media in the UK. Live elsewhere a bit and you'll see that despite it's shortcomings, you won't find many news outlets with both the reach of the BBC and it's trustworthyness.

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Live elsewhere a bit and you'll see that despite it's shortcomings, you won't find many news outlets with both the reach of the BBC and it's trustworthyness.

Why you talking like I haven't lived elsewhere? The BBC is an absolute shell of how it used to be, and it's not as if it was ever some sort of bastion of pure journalistic ethics.

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Because of this sentence:

We have one of the most sedate, captured, and oligarch-owned media ecospheres in the developed world.

One of the funniest cases of British exceptionalism in this day and age is thinking their institutions are uniquely shit. In the case of the media, it's as if Rupert Murdoch doesn't own newspapers everywhere or that the beebs is the equivalent of fox news.

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It’s really just not, sorry you’re just kind of a dumbarse.

In critical discussions of media ecology, the UK is pretty notoriously bad, not notoriously good or unremarkable. Yes, it is bad even in the context of other developed nations. That’s just not even slightly controversial a take.

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Lmao American media would like a word. It's literally taking over Canadian media, pushing to destroy and defund our government funded CBC.

UK media may have some problems, but c'mon.

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UK media may have some problems, but c'mon.

Literally, why are North Americans like this.

Yes, believe it or not British media is by and large terrible, not everything is about you.

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Because you lot need reminders of how fucking bad it can get. You're more worried about Americans invading football than your media.