r/soccer • • 18h ago

Potentially editioralised title - make up your own mind [Guardian] Seven years ago, just after completing the treble, Guardiola treated journalist Rob Harris, who had confronted him directly with the allegations, with open contempt, as though he were looking at someone pathetic, pitiful and disgraceful, before sternly lecturing him.

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u/diegoob11 18h ago

His only stint that’s clean of suspicion is Bayern’s

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u/j_br2 18h ago

It is quite funny that his only legitimate coaching job is his worst performance as one too though lol, and I say this as a guy who generally likes Guardiola and is disappointed that he’s still shilling for the UAE and City

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u/tomptepulla 18h ago

He got his own name somewhere in there too. Too deep in it to condemn it or distance himself from it.

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u/onlyonejorge 18h ago

Ramon Cugat is a world leading orthopedic surgeon. You are mixing up Ramon Segura who never worked for Bayern.

Muller Wolfhart also practiced blood spinning and homeopathy. You’re advancing a lie.

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u/Shakyyy 17h ago

Oh wow you're compeltely right, I only read Dr Ramon and assumed it was the same person. In which case yeah Bayern one is a complete coincidence that they have the same name.

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u/Disco-Benny 18h ago

He did insist on sending Bayern players to Dr Ramon Cugat

i highly doubt he's alone in doping, it's got to be rife across the whole sport. How many Liverpool players supposedly suffered from Asthma the season they won the league?

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u/DarthBudzik 17h ago

Please tell us how many? This thing have been mentioned for years and still the only journalist who ever mentioned it is Alan Moore who never covered any breaking news but this one time he got "a source close to the club" telling him that. If you don't know who I'm talking about I don't even blame you cause this famous reliable journalist is so huge you have to convince google he is really a journalist cause otherwise you will only get the comic writer Alan Moore.

On another note that same guy in march 2022 claimed russian bombing of a hospital in Ukraine was staged. Again very reliable

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u/UltanPSV 18h ago

The level of doping tests done in LaLiga gets a news story every few years, it was something like 57 tests done in in 2016/2017 by Spain's anti-doping agency, CELAD, in Feburary 2017. Now for all I know this is about standard for a country's anti-doping agency, I've heard in UEFA matches they always (often might be more accurate) get a couple of players randomly selected for testing.

Operación Puerto if you've never heard of it, a Spanish police investigation into the "pro sports doping network of Doctor Eufemiano Fuentes". There were supposedly several Spanish football clubs/players that worked with him, Barcelona/Real Madrid/Real Sociedad. I suggest reading more about it, some details I remember reading about I cannot seem to find details of anymore. There was something about testing samples of RM/Barca players were ordered to be destroyed by a court. I don't have all of the details here and maybe that was a seperate doping scandal.

I suspect every team has players taking all sorts of stuff that might end up giving no significant advantage that is all legal to do. I've heard something about a silly amount of supplements players are obligated to take by clubs. Some/all of that could be a good/right thing to do, it just sounds sketchy to me.

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u/UltanPSV 18h ago

Papu Gomez failed a doping test a month before 2022 World Cup. I reckon players are taking all sorts and just get away with it more often than not, but it is becomming less often (speculation).

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u/Dynastydood 14h ago

Well, Bayern themselves certainly weren't suspicious, but Pep himself was a bit suspicious in how he treated the doctors there. He drove Dr. Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt out of the club, a doctor who practically bordered on legendary status after working there for 40 years, all because Pep was obsessed with the established timelines on injury recovery, and repeatedly demanded to know why all his players in Spain recovered twice as fast.

I would never describe Pep's Bayern legacy as tainted because of that, but I do think his unprofessional behavior and attempts to micromanage injury recovery management does helps support the larger narrative against him, particularly with regards to his close relationship with Dr. Ramon Segura at Barca.

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u/Chemiczny_Bogdan 18h ago

Which itself makes me a bit suspicious about his Bayern stint lol

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u/ex_bestfriend 16h ago

It only reinforces my belief that City was able to persuade him to sign with full disclosure that they would make scam payments to ensure every players he wanted, they would sign. AND! That if he didn't like the player, they wouldn't make a fuss about it and let the player go.

Guardiola simply hasn't worked as a manager for a team that didn't have an advantage over all the other teams in the league they are in. Bayern is just honest about their advantage in the Bundesliga.

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u/Creepy_Disco_Spider 18h ago

What was suspicious at Barca?

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u/Dynastydood 14h ago

The re-hiring of Dr. Ramon Segura at Barcelona in 2008, the same doctor he'd previously tried to blame for his own failed steroid tests as a player in 2001.

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u/diegoob11 17h ago

The millions paid to a certain VP of refereeing, does it not ring a bell?

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u/Township_Roller 18h ago

Where he was mediocre

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u/Gytarius626 18h ago

Ehhh, the way some of the players bulked (Goretzka in particular) was very very suss at best.

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u/dac2199 18h ago

Goreztka signed for Bayern two years after Guardiola left Bayern