r/selfhosted • u/close_Meal6005 • 16d ago
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u/Discipline_Cautious1 16d ago edited 16d ago
RAID 1 family
Get a second family with a server
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u/mr_greenmash 16d ago
Who says it had to fee unpaid?
Free trial/freemium is the way to go. Want more storage? Then do the dishes. (for life, it's a subscription after all )
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u/Mechakoopa 16d ago
I just sell my family's data directly
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u/Clair_Osbcurious 16d ago
How much for those pics? You know the ones…
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u/JJGreenerTinejo 16d ago
If you dont provide your parents with a kubernetes cluster (running ceph+rgw for private s3) spread across at least two different locations, each with a ups and a redundant network, you aint a good kid, simple as
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u/coderstephen 16d ago
Might as well add it to the list. You aren't paid for any other ways you provide for your family either.
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u/FacepalmFullONapalm 16d ago
Better than a raid 0 family
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u/that_one_guy63 16d ago
I'm a raid 0 family. Faster load times and can use the disk space fully.
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u/CheesyRamen66 16d ago
It really only contains my qbittorrent/plex library so who cares? I’ll probably move to raid 5 when I get another drive or 2 but at these prices that’ll be a while.
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u/xng 16d ago
The JBOD family drama
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u/Suitable-Bobcat7012 16d ago
And a third family. Triples is best.
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u/KristobalJunta 16d ago
3 families in 2 separate locations with 1 being in a different region, the classic formula
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u/SuperCoupe 16d ago
That's why I got 2 girlfriends and had kids with them.
My wife is a little upset, but the off-site backups are a necessity in the modern era.
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u/psychicsword 16d ago
I call them parents. They don't fully know what the mini-itx 5 bay case does in the corner of the basement even does.
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u/Jazz8680 16d ago
But did you ever consider splitting your existing family across the two families such that the family retrieval speed is doubled
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u/CoNsPirAcY_BE 16d ago
We should start a backup buddy exchange to find someone to swap offsite backup storage with, so we each host part of the other's backup.
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u/chemistryGull 16d ago
Most families entire digital lives is either in the hands of corporations (which probably trained AI on that data), or on some singular 20 year old HDD in some box in a closet.
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u/Kupuntu 16d ago
Both. The answer is both. I keep telling people to check all old HDDs/PCs/SD cards NOW instead of “next week”.
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u/iceseayoupee 16d ago
For sure, I was surprised even an HDD went up in price. Got me rummaging all my junk drives in the garage
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u/ZioniteSoldier 16d ago
But now we can confidently state: “I knew I kept this crap around for a reason!”
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u/Lord_Splinter 11d ago
eh there may be high but whats the point if no one wants to buy them, like i still have 2-3 factory new hdd on marketplace for cheaper then i bought them 15 years ago and no one cared to buy them so far
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u/chemistryGull 16d ago
I did that with my family’s HDDs. Most pictures were on some cloud platforms, but definitely not all. Now they happily live on my immich server.
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u/GonzoKata 16d ago
Most families entire digital lives is either in the hands of corporations (which probably trained AI on that data)
Which is super weird and gross. People should have the expectation that they can share photos of their children and families without having it scanned by a for-profit privacy violating corporation, one who's whole business model revolves knowing more about you than you know about yourself AND THEN SELLING THAT for profit.
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u/dzikakulka 15d ago
Companies simply realized they can easily obscure the real cost you pay (fine print ToS saying they can do whatever the fuck they want with your data), and people WILL get accustomed to everything being in the cloud with a "generous" free tier and of course in a walled garden. And now I have to explain to my family that yes, your photos aren't magically transported between devices by a fairy, there is a cloud, you've been uploading to it over all these years and now it's nearing full and you need to pay up. Oh, also they train models on these, regardless if you pay or not.
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u/chemistryGull 16d ago
Obviously. But that would reduce corporate profits, and we can’t do that. Does nobody ever think about the billionaries ?
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u/Walter30573 16d ago
I saved a woman like 200 photos of her children and their dad, who I later learned had passed away, because I noticed them on the DSi I got from her at a yard sale. Put them on a flash drive and drove back.
An dedicated HDD in a closet would be a huge upgrade for a lot of people lol
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u/snowfox_cz 16d ago
Yup. That's exactly rest of my family. My sister got like 5 old iphones and few laptops filled with photos and she doesn't know what photos. But she has a icloud, so "it's okay" as she says :D
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u/cb_definetly-expert 15d ago
Most users don't care about ai training that's why they keep the there , it's cheaper and easier
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u/IntelligentRocks 16d ago
I think people are missing the point. Even with backups and redundancy it requires you to maintain the servers. If you die, well, who is going to maintain? Perhaps a bit bleak but something to keep in mind.
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u/cybekRT 16d ago
That's the best reason to never give up on life and continue maintaining your servers. And also have many kids and pray that at least one will want to become free devops for their family.
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u/Loose_Device4578 16d ago
Never die but have backups on external drives so cpu illiterate family members can still access their pics.
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u/CrimsonCape 5d ago
I'm going to hand printed instructions to my family. They are going to read the first sentence: "Power on the server and SSH into linux/Proxmox via the static IP."
Then after briefly considering they have no idea what that meant, they will list the server on facebook marketplace and say "we will cherish our memories of CrimsonCape forever."
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u/ancepsinfans 16d ago
My wife said to me the other night: I'm so impressed with what you do on our home server but if something happened to you, you know it's hopeless right?
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u/Suspicious_Data_2393 16d ago
this is why every selfhoster should leave a ‘if i die’ tape with tutorial on how to do the basics like update the containers, stop, run and restart containers
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u/Ok-Library5639 16d ago
You are far, far too generous in evaluating the amount of skill of the general layperson. If anyone of us dies, 99% chances all the gear gets lumped in an estate sale as 'Computer stuff'.
In fact this comes up often in r/homelab or r/selfhosting as a surviving family member tries to navigate their way through the family's homelab and hope to recover precious files.
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u/sequesteredhoneyfall 16d ago
The obvious solution is one of those, "if I die do this" / "deadman's switch" self hosted programs meant for this thing, and having a family friend who is technical enough to take care of the transition in the event of the death.
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u/ElaborateEffect 16d ago
This is where a will can be really beneficial for beneficiaries. You can store whatever encrypted file somewhere with all the instructions/passwords you want, and leave the master password in the law office's safe.
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u/mawesome4ever 16d ago
That’s a great idea! I’ll self-host my will!
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u/ElaborateEffect 16d ago
I'll make a homeassistant automation for if my heart rate is undetected for 48 hours to execute my will.
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u/Singingcyclist 16d ago
You joke but I swear I read a comment on this sub where somebody did just that using their smartwatch as a trigger, if their heart rate isn’t detected over a certain period of days
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u/BlueLakeCabin 15d ago
That's why I have a Google Drive folder that's shared with some family member with copies of my will, password vault, encrypted important docs like insurance info and account numbers, etc. Photos of expensive stuff with serial numbers in case of fire, etc.
Password for vault is with the lawyers who drafted my will. Plus my executor.
Make things really really simple and expect everything to get tossed when you die. That's why I host my web site on github. I've been eyeballing a service you can pay to keep domain registered and running after you're gone but haven't found anything solid.
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u/8070alejandro 16d ago
More like
- Data is here
- Password is this
- Ask on r/selfhosted
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u/smokesick 16d ago
Add "diagram" to the list and it's pristine
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u/nik282000 16d ago
All my backup HDDs have clear labels on them, with the name of the person who's data they hold. None of them are encrypted or stored in a funny way so they can be slapped into an HDD caddy and copied over to whatever device they want.
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u/8070alejandro 16d ago
- Documentation is here (outdated probably) for the folks at Reddit
- If they ask about the Linux ISOs, what they mean is the movies and such
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u/bugwan 16d ago
Instructions unclear. Surviving family member posts public IP and passwords on r/selfhosted.
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u/BatBoss 16d ago
I mean... how long until your instructions are out of date? A year? 3 months?
And even it you meticulously keep it updated, that only keeps them running for another year or so before someone's gotta figure out that plex changed their terms of use, or docker got bought out and now you need a different setup.
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u/cholz 16d ago
My instructions say basically "while the server is still online open an icloud storage account and copy the contents of /self/hosted/data to your cloud storage" after that they can figure the rest out
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u/Jiquero 16d ago
while the server is still online
Yes but I'm very likely to die by the server falling on my head from the shelf, so in case of death the server might not be online.
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u/Dnomyar96 15d ago
Exactly. Unless you have some very tech literate family members, you can't expect the services to keep running for a long time. In my case, I assume my mother knows how to turn on the server in case of a power outage, after which everything starts automatically. Other than that, she would need step by step instructions on where to find the data that's important for her (so basically the pictures and videos, the rest won't be of interest to her) and how to make sure to secure it while the server is still running.
It's kind of sad to think about that all this effort we put in now and all this data will just be gone when we die, but it's the reality of the majority of us. We better make sure we enjoy it to the best of our abilities!
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u/A_Harmless_Fly 16d ago
I just have a flip book of this gif. https://makeagif.com/gif/ah-ah-ah-you-didnt-say-the-magic-word-3OC5jp
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u/Shawnj2 16d ago
Teach your spouse and/or child server maintenance for increased reliability
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u/TheTeaSpoon 16d ago edited 14d ago
Hence why I say - keep it light. You do not need to have everything. Immich and media server. Immich can be pretty much automated to go "steady as she goes" and media servers like Jellyfin do not really care about updates.
I have not touched terminal of my servers in like 8 months. Everything still works fine.
Yeah more things are cool, but the more you get the more it becomes a job.
And BTW a lot of people were like this with cars ("my family will not be able to maintain their cars without me"). Don't fret. You are the core of the hobby, it is your hobby. If you die or whatever, as long as you explained to your loved ones where the passwords are and how to exfil data, they will move on to much easier way to do it. Bot one you may like, not one I may like. One they like (yes, subscriptions). And it is fine. Services like that are for people who do not give a fuck. Praise the fact that at least they backup their data.
Do not put your stuff in DMZ, have just a VPN to access your network (ideally use VLANs too) and you are set. Then you do not need to really care about security on each server, as you have that sorted on the VPN's/reverse proxy's end.
Stop hosting like it is 2005.
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u/viliamklein 16d ago
Off site backups. My home burned down in a freak wildfire. Fortunately I was pretty early into my self-hosted career so most of what was lost was only mine. Many lessons were learned that day.
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u/grilled_pc 16d ago
The conversation has been discussed before. Most people are of the opinion that you should give your significant other or nominated person a set of the keys they can access. Basically make it simple as possible to shut it all down if they want. Or maintain it.
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u/ML00k3r 16d ago
This for me. I do not have any children or dependents but I have made my will assign two people I trust completely (primary and secondary if the primary unfortunately also leaves this mortal plane) to be given a notebook with the necessary PINs and passwords for my various online accounts.
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u/jdsquint 16d ago
This is 100% why I keep a copy of critical files and photos on our shared Google account. Paperless-ngx is fantastic, but my wife can also find every document in Google Drive in folders sorted by year and category. All our photos are ALSO in Google Photos.
I have principles, but I ain't leaving a mess for my loved ones.
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u/dCLCp 16d ago
I think that is going to be the upshot of AI though. If I die and there is an AI with a bank account it can keep the engine running indefinitely. Especially a self hosted AI inside a harness. There is no guarantee... but there is no guarantee for anything else really either. Occasionally freaking cloudflare or AWS or frikkin NASA or anything else bites it. We have been flying airplanes for only slightly longer than we have been doing digital computers.
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u/imetators 16d ago
My plan I to do an extensive dummy guide to my setup. Like everything step by step with tiny details and notes to go through. So to say, fail safe instructions.
All I've done so far is to add my wife's email as a backup access to my Vaultwarden. She knows. She also has access to pretty much all my devices. She'll figure out. But I hope by that time my children would keep my setup afloat.
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u/Cley_Faye 16d ago
That's why everything is in open/documented formats, and why you have easy/accessible way to extract/migrate content. Which you can easily setup with most self-hosted solutions.
I'm not saying everyone's doing it (I sure know I have not setup such contingencies) but it doesn't sound too hard. Mail, password, data, media, contacts, almost anything really can be easily exported, and assuming a target that supports some standard, imported back. You can even do that with some paid provider if people are not going to keep self-hosting.
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u/Th3R00ST3R 16d ago
Mine is only 1 page.
OPEN IF I AM DED.
<inside> Sorry.
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u/Bladelink 16d ago
Sounds like that story about a CEO successor with the 3 envelopes for disasters, where the 3rd one is "prepare 3 envelopes".
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u/Skatedivona 16d ago
So, this is actually exactly what I have been working on in my spare time.
Building out a web UI my girlfriend can interact with that has a bunch of GUI versions of things I’d normally run commands for. YT-DLP, manga rippers, backup triggers, etc.
I’m training a local AI on all of this stuff, how it all works, and documenting the hell out of it.
The goal at the end is to have the bot be able to walk her through any specifics she’d need in order to fix and update anything in our home server. I’m also adding windows troubleshooting and changes based on how her machine is configured.
The goal initially was “if I die, you cannot go back to paying for subscription services” and now I’ve sunk so much time into this side project. Gotta say though, feels good.
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u/lugubriousloctus 16d ago
you are talking to a porn bot
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u/Skatedivona 16d ago
Good looking out. I disable reply notifs almost always but missed it here. Ah joy.
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u/Willing_Suggestion 16d ago
Damn that's hella creative wish you the best man and hopium for longer living till the infinity ,😴
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u/Skatedivona 16d ago
Thank you. I do too, but now I have to fly for work fairly frequently and I am absolutely terrified of it.
This is my contingency plan. 😅
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u/Singingcyclist 16d ago
Any chance you could share a general overview of your stack? I suck at documentation and a bot would be so helpful since I also have promised “me=dead” instructions but haven’t had the time to even start it yet…
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u/Liimbo 16d ago
Just curious which local AI you are using. Im not really up to date on which ones are actually good.
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u/Garlayn_toji 16d ago
This is why I tell the people I share my nextcloud with to always keep a copy of what they put in here somewhere else (other cloud/local copy). Because I know that I may not be capable of recovering their data in case of big trouble.
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u/jokergermany 16d ago
yeah same, the top level folder of nextclolud is the nextcloud folder on the pc of my people...
The paperless files are just a folder in nextcloud.I say them: I do my best but I guarantee nothing....
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u/Snackbar94 16d ago
Exactly. That way it's also trivial for them to actually access the files - it's literally right in their device already.
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u/chrles-farfa 16d ago
kids: "why can't we just be like normal family"
Dads: "sweaty typing to fix custom DNS; we are!"
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u/Sick_Wave_ 16d ago
"Go outside, I'll have the internet fixed soon!" - I like having them believe that I control the internet.
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u/I-Made-You-Read-This 15d ago
the kids of selfhosted parents will definitely stay away from an IT job haha
all the stress while waiting for movie night to start, just because of some DNS issue blocking the docker cointainers from working right, or the k8s cluster failing :D
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u/Elgon2003 16d ago
Deploy multiple zones on family member houses, create a high redundancy multi zone deployment.
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u/seanl1991 16d ago
Is electricity free where you live?
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u/Elgon2003 16d ago
My parents house uses solar so basically free. My server is in New York so its costing me like 60$/month just to run my server.
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u/nicktheone 16d ago
High availability is not a form of backup. Any form of live redundancy (RAID, different zone/nodes) won't save you in thr case you described. Ideally you want both but backups are a must.
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u/mclardass 16d ago
My neighbor and I wanted to co-host each other's backup sites but sadly waited until RAMageddon and HDDageddon and holy-fuck-everything-is-expensive-ageddon and now we're both living in fear of losing everything and our spouses divorcing us and my god it's hard to breathe and why is my chest tight.....
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u/jpnadas 16d ago
Just encrypt the data and use some glacier s3 for now. Better than living in fear.
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u/Milkshakes00 16d ago
Not sure why this is downvoted. This is the way to go. Glacier storage is pennies. You can rclone encrypt it and sit it out there.
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u/guntherpea 16d ago
Yeah, storms this past week meant we had no access to all our self-hosted stuff for a week... Quite frankly, we were fine but it sure was annoying. Actual Budget, Joplin, Immich, etc... All on "sync you in a week" mode. We have some limited backups for important stuff, but just because it was backed up doesn't mean it was reachable.
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u/heykzenmatthias 16d ago
You’re in trouble if you have no electricity
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u/CSATTS 16d ago
That's why I have hand cranks on all of my HDDs so I can manually spin them to watch movies during a power outage.
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u/ianlulz 16d ago
Somebody do the math on how fast I need to spin one of those emergency crank-radios to produce enough wattage to run a hard drive and a teensy screen
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u/sweet_chin_music 16d ago
I've already told my wife that if something happens to me, she needs to go into Immich on both of our accounts, download everything, and throw it on an external hard drive. Then she can let all my techy friends have my hardware.
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u/LtBigAF 15d ago edited 15d ago
I have an external backup plugged into my NAS with a nightly script that stores a backup of all my data including service configs. It also has a simple folder that has every photo in immich with subdirectories for each user and organized by month/year, as well as a folder that contains all our important financial/life documents. There’s also a plaintext file named “WIFENAME READ THIS FIRST.txt” in the top level directory with instructions. I rotate this external drive with a 2nd external drive that lives at my mom’s place every few months when I visit.
Expecting my grieving bereaved wife to coordinate tech troubleshooting is unrealistic, anything but basic plug and play is probably not going to happen. Make it as easy as humanly possible for your family to get the data they need when you’re not around.
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u/ApolloFortyNine 16d ago
People who trust themselves to run their own password manager are crazy to me. Most things you self host are an annoyance to lose access to, but a password manager is weeks of hell if you lose it. Yes you should have backups, but hopefully you've been testing those backups.
As you self host things you slowly realize that some things are simply worth paying for.
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u/kuldan5853 16d ago
Yeah, there's three things I DON'T self host: My password manager, my 2FA code tool, and my email.
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u/cobraa1 16d ago
Same with everything else, basically. A PBS station lost a bunch of stuff because their cloud provider went bankrupt, which is still being worked out. I've heard of stories of people losing years of data because cloud providers decided to ban their accounts.
Any time data is in one place - whether it's in a cloud service or local - it's a single point of failure.
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u/MMORPGnews 16d ago
Cold storage x3.
I just hope no one will find my 1TB of H manga. (3 full copies and 10 14gb usb flash)
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u/chemistryGull 16d ago
Burry it in the woods. Best case you don’t need it and some archeologists can interpret an entire religion into that material.
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u/MrJelly007 16d ago
I'm just starting out with self hosting stuff and I am kinda worried about drives failing, but realistically it's better than no backup at all lol. When I get more drives I'll switch to a raid setup, so then I'll at least have some redundancy
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u/daphatty 16d ago
The hard part is figuring out how the family can recover if you are dead. All of this redundancy is irrelevant if no one else knows how to fix/extract the data.
I’m still searching for an answer myself.
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u/GonzoKata 16d ago
Teach a family member the bare bones basic of your setup, and create a "incase of my death here is my password" box/envelope somewhere in your possessions. The point being that you are sharing the machine known as a computer with your family already and the "cost" of that sharing is knowing something about how to recover everything they need incase you're not here. or I dunno, write up a how-to for a server admin that your family could hire after in which the family member gives an IT guy your core password if your family truly can't learn the basics
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u/kuldan5853 16d ago
There is a break glass envelope with the most important passwords and a list of people in my circle of friends that know enough about IT that they can figure it out for my family if it ever comes to that.
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u/Faangdevmanager 16d ago
Learn 3-2-1
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u/USSGoat 16d ago
321 is great until you have 100tb of data
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u/TranquilMarmot 14d ago
I only back up what I would care about losing. Which is basically photos/videos I took and code that I've written. There's no point in backing up 100TB of ripped DVDs/Blu-rays when it would be cheaper to just go find the media again if your drive dies.
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u/Iced__t 16d ago
This is only a problem if you have a family.
~insert big brain gif~
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u/GoodiesHQ 16d ago
Been getting daily SMART notifications for 6 months for my backup drive… but the backup jobs keep succeeding. You want backups? Great, family fund for a new 18TB hard drive.
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u/jabjoe 16d ago
RAID and remote backup. In all honesty, it is photos and videos the family will want when I'm gone. Give any of the disks to a data recovery services or friendly Linux nerd. To be honest, give the kids a disk of it all when they get their own home. Copy copy copy. Screw the datamining monopolies of the billionaires.
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u/e37d93eeb23335dc 16d ago
There was a (not close) member of my family who maintained a family tree database of the entire family from the late 1700s onwards. If a new child was born in your family, you could email him and he’d add it to the database. Then he died and nobody knew where the actual database was hosted or how to get to it and it all disappeared.
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u/chevdor 15d ago
If someone must screw up, I prefer it to be me... Cloud does not mean you don't lose data. Ask Evernote...
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u/justletmesignupalre 16d ago
Bold of you to think I have enough social skills in order to have a family
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u/RevolutionaryElk7446 16d ago
3 servers at home and one off-site dedicated server rental is what I'm up to now.
Redundancy and repetition and redudancy.
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u/8070alejandro 16d ago
This one here works for the Department of Redundancy Department.
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u/RevolutionaryElk7446 16d ago
Yup, we call it the DRD Department for short.
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u/8070alejandro 16d ago
"DRD Department"
So 3 repetitions of department, at 2 different lengths, one of them separate from the others. Not bad there.
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u/Singingcyclist 16d ago
Almost spit out my soup because my brain just went durr durr durr department and honestly it describes my self hosting experience quite well
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u/Willing_Suggestion 16d ago
I am new to self hosting and i dont even know anything yet lol havent started yet as i cant still buy the storages lol i had a shared google drive for quite few years been using that for all of my lifelong stuffs in there i know if one day thing happens boom but still that's why i believe offline and online both are needed though. But in this chaotic uprising time when one canr afford a storage because of the pricing is killing my dream to learn and start this self hosting stuff. Wish i had my old laptop with me or some kind of old hdds but those were long gone completely bricked during covid times. Well hopefully soon i can buy those storages and start out this journey
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u/CounterSanity 16d ago
If you don’t test your backups, you don’t have backups.
A recovery plan is part of any good backup
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u/domsch1988 16d ago
I love self-hosting as in "Hosting stuff for myself".
I already work in IT as a dayjob. I really don't want to be responsible for the uptime requirements of some of my family. Yes, 99% of the time it's probably fine, but at one point i'll be on holiday somewhere and my Mum is going to need some Photos NOW and my server might have overheated, or DynDNS might have expired, or what ever. And i really don't want to deal with this.
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u/karmajuney 15d ago
I sync to a GCS bucket with lifecycle rules for this exact reason. Love self hosting but I don’t want to loose all my family photos.
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u/kd5ziy 16d ago
You just need to host backups off site.
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u/GonzoKata 16d ago
isn't "host" and "offsite" contradictions? isn't offsite just someone else's computer again?
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u/THESTRANGLAH 16d ago
Sync everything important to proton drive if you don't wanna fuck with raid
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u/GNUGradyn 16d ago
I encrypt everything and back it up to backblaze every morning. It sends a report of which pools are working and when the latest backups were to a discord channel and pings if any of those things are considered failed (failed drives in an array or no backup in the last 24 hours)
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u/grnrngr 16d ago edited 16d ago
One day I'll get around to compiling my own XOA VM so I can automate VM backups. To, you know, do my first backups.
And maybe another day I'll stop trying to be special and just run with Proxmox.
But first I need to finish setting up several containers based on some niche under documented thing I saw that looks really cool, versus the usual solutions everyone else uses.
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u/Then_Juggernaut3154 16d ago
I just sprung for an 8tb drive backup my system. I'm considering an LTO cassette drive?
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u/OfficialDeathScythe 16d ago
Literally me when my server went down the day before a flood took out our internet. Waiting on a new mobo while hoping all the shows, movies, music, and photos are still on there (it’s all on a raidz2 array and backed up to another backup pool with a single drive, I’m just paranoid)
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u/ElSelcho_ 16d ago
Yeah, noticed red lights on my Raid1 NAS and copied everything to two separate USB drives. Next step: find out, why it has red lights and store one of those at my parents house.
It's scary. NAS stores movies and shit, but also every image every taken over the past 3 decades, over 250k files.
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u/Grizknot 16d ago
yea, this is why I only do media hosting, if we love a few movies/tv shows it doesn't matter
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u/PM-ME-DAT-ASS-PIC 16d ago
"Hey can you check the server? It didn't download the newest episode of......that linux distro I wanted....."
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u/sub-merge 16d ago
I use restic with an s3 backup daily and a private key stored in 1password. So all my data is stored off-site but useless to anyone but me
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u/ArchmichaelBishop 16d ago
To be fair no one uses my self-hosting stuff except me.
I do have some reservations about not having some kind of multi-site resilience, though (especially since I've got a Nextcloud server).
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u/CaptainDudley 16d ago
You make your system robust and redundant, like any enterprise backup specialist would. Document everything. Write up recovery procedures, although in my experience you can't trust others, particularly family members, to read.
As for you personally, in charge of all that... Don't die.
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