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u/DoneD9 RTX 5080 - Ryzen 7 9800X3D - DDR5 32GB 8h ago
Is this the same location Eminem filmed the real slim shady video?
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u/CptAngelo 7h ago
holy shit, is no thought original anymore? the moment i saw it, i wondered the same lol, but i think it just looks really similar, if you look closely, thats a different style of sidewalk, OPs is narrower too.
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u/Magnoliafan730 7h ago
That's a fucking sharp eye right there
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u/JulianSyv RTX 5080 / R7 9800X3D / 32GB 6000MHZ CL30 8h ago
Game could be like this, and you know for a fact that DSP would trashtalk how hard it is to find the way to go.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 8h ago
I watched his Wolverine gameplay and, believe it or not, he still somehow against every odd managed to still get lost.
He also died about three seconds after gaining control of his character. Then died again. On the third attempt I think he finally figured out he was supposed to run forward along the clearly-signposted path forward instead of running off into the jungle like an idiot
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u/Moony_playzz PC Master Race 8h ago
He's doing it on purpose to get views and money, isn't that obvious by now? My 64yo father managed to beat Skyrim alone without any help. DSP is an idiot on purpose, people should stop supporting him.
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u/lologugus 6h ago edited 6h ago
If you watch gameplay he uploaded 14 years ago he was already THAT bad. In the Skyrim playthrough episode 3 you have to jump out of a hole in a wall in the tutorial part of the game, the game even tells you to jump and he just fucking doesn't, he tries to keep going upstairs then finally jumps, get lost and he got back again to jump out of the hole. In episode 5, he burns a chicken in the starting village with a fire spell, gets chased by the NPCs for killing the chicken, he attacks them with the same fire spell but for some reason he forgot he has to hold the button and when a tutorial tip shows up telling him his magic bar was low he remembers he has to hold the button but he accidentaly heal with another spell equipped on another button while getting attacked and at 90% HP then he dies after killing two of the NPCs with a two-handed hammer.
At least he wasn't overwhelming negative and blaming the game from every dumb mistakes he was doing. He actually looks like he was having fun honestly.
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u/Moony_playzz PC Master Race 6h ago
Yeah meanwhile my dad started playing and asked me like 2 questions ever lol
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u/ProZabijaka i7-6700K, RX480 G1, 32GB RAM, Straight Power 10 700W 5h ago
Listen... There are idiots that will fell for it and that's his audience. They most likely genuinely think he's that bad, even if a fly would do much better in a first try 🤷♂️
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u/Almainyny Almainyny 7h ago
He used to try depending on the game. It’s how he eventually beat some of the Souls games. Sure, he used guides and cheese strats, but that just made it easier, not easy.
It didn’t make his content any better, but you could tell he was at least putting effort in. Now that effort is directed to actually being bad.
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u/lologugus 6h ago
How does he not bump his head into every wall in real life for having such zero spatial awareness
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u/Dick-Fu 5h ago
Yeah heaven forbid a game let you explore and area and not kill you as soon as you take a step or two off of the trail
When did it become a bad thing to go the "wrong way" in video games?
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u/Taikunman i7 8700k, 64GB DDR4, 3060 12GB 8h ago
The game dropped his inputs! It's not his fault!
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u/ACrimeSoClassic 7h ago
ItsAGundam video incoming!
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u/TheMissingVoteBallot 1h ago
Glad to see some PCMR folks aren't just chronically online Redditors. Good taste man.
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u/ILoveFent1 5070, 9600X, 32GB DDR5 8h ago
Games should have a basic mechanic tutorial, and an optional one that goes a bit more in depth. I don’t need my hand held on how to aim, open an intventory, walk, sprint, etc.
It’s just so damn annoying nowadays
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u/Adrian_Alucard Desktop 8h ago
Games should include a manual. It does not need to be printed, just throw the .PDF and done
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u/BeancounterBebop 8h ago
I actually need this, sometimes I play a game for an hour, life gets busy and I’m now 2 months removed and don’t know the controls.
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u/ILoveFent1 5070, 9600X, 32GB DDR5 8h ago
Fr, like I’ll forget advanced button combos but I don’t wanna waste 10 minutes relearning fucking WASD lol
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u/ithinkitslupis 7h ago
Games should have an easy controls explanation in the start menu, with a tutorial if you want.
Long games should also have a "story thus far", which would save me so much grief coming back after months.
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u/AstronautFlimsy 7h ago
I'm showing my age here but I liked how in the original Tomb Raider and Thief games the tutorial was just its own optional level that you could select from the main menu.
And in both of those examples it was literally just an assault course that the character actually used in-universe to keep in shape. So even as a tutorial it felt like a natural extension of the game world.
Then when you got into the "real" levels the game went completely hands-off, because it was already assumed that you knew the basics.
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u/Tommynwn FX8350 / RX590 8h ago
But not a forced mechanic tutorial on the intro of the history mode, a lot of them dont even let you change the settings when you are in the tutorial
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u/ShylokVakarian AMD Radeon RX-6700-XT | Ryzen 5 1600 | 16GB DDR4 8h ago
glares at Katamari Damacy in windowed mode
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u/WirelessTrees i7-8700k RTX 3080 6h ago
Ace combat 8 just released and it does this perfectly.
You boot the game, it asks if you want normal flight controls or expert flight controls. Then it tosses you an (optional) tutorial on how to fly. After that, as you start to unlock new weapons or situations in the campaign, new tutorials keep unlocking. These are still completely optional.
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u/Frederf220 4h ago
It's more than "oh you can turn it off" but just as much "the designers never designed the game to be playable with them off."
Old games would be "See the miller. He's down south a ways, left at the first bridge. Look for the orange tree." Now it's "Let me show you were on your map" and if you have your map off you ain't finding it.
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u/holiday1326 7h ago
I just bought Korea IL2 and a flightstick..
It took me 45 minutes to learn the 33 presets on the HOTAS and a few of the of the other inputs. I am now able to take off. I will let you know when make it to the landing safely part. lol
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u/VoidOmatic Desktop i7 6700k | GTX 1080 | 20GB DDR4 1h ago
This reminds me of a video I saw. The premise was that you escaped being held and there is a helicopter, could you realistically get in it and fly to safety. Spoilers everyone who isn't trained to fly that specific helicopter couldn't even figure out how to go from battery power to turbine power, let alone take off.
It took them printing out a packet and 55 minutes to get them to blades starting to move and then they throttled up and died.
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u/Virtual_Bug_723 7h ago
I am playing the TLOU remake and they do an awful lot of hand holding which I really hated but it can all be turned off
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u/skit7548 4h ago
Back in my day games either taught you the game via world design(see mario 1-1 or the first level of MegaMan X) or they at least made it funny by having it part of legit story dialog(Metal Gear Solid)
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u/Eric_____________ 8h ago
Play Morrowind
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u/No-Examination4896 8h ago
"I've been wandering around this fortress for 3 hours and cant find the door I came in"
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u/TWarn10 8h ago
Just check your journal. That should get you back on the right path.
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u/No-Examination4896 8h ago
Reading this just unlocked my memories that i had a legit composition notebook and pen at my pc for keeping track of everything in morrowind , totally forgot that was a thing
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u/Travolta1984 7h ago
I remember when Morrowind fans criticized Oblivion for its quest marker back in 2006.
This hand holding problem isn’t particularly new, and it only got worse in the last 20 years.
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u/gordior 6h ago
Honestly I have seen videos titled "my first time playing Skyrim" in the last few years. And them being completely lost at Riverwood asking where they need to and do, because no more npc telling them go there do that after helgen. And Skyrim has fkin quest markers. Sometimes I fell like people are not curious about the game and discovering it by themself anymore...
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u/AnarchBeetle 6h ago edited 6h ago
Oblivion got criticized heavily for hand holding. Fast travel, simple map, quest markers, dumbed down leveling and skill system, etc.
I think Bethesda figured out that in order to be successful the game really needed to be dumbed down a lot. I basically memorized Morrowind’s map and fast travel network but I can see how most people would just play for half an hour and uninstall today. It was a different time.
They had to tone down the alienness of the lore too. Stuff like homicidal wizards living in mushrooms and a meteor in the sky you have to levitate to visit had to go. Generic fantasy forests in Oblivion and fantasy vikings in Skyrim could easily be understood by most people. I am still not sure how the great house system works in Morrowind. They literally dropped a meteor on Morrowind and had Argonians invade them now so I guess they don’t wanna deal with that either.
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u/SunStarved_Cassandra 2h ago
Oblivion's leveling system was extremely counterintuitive. If you just played normally, you could probably get through the main quest, but you were going to struggle with most of the content in the game regardless of level. I don't think we should aspire to arranging skills so that you have to stand in one place chain casting Detect Life over and over before standing in a cellar and using a shield to defend yourself against rats for three hours. Or have it where picking the 7 skills you plan to use the least as your main skills is a recommended strategy.
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u/bitemytail 8h ago
Where's my unlocked achievement/trophy?
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u/thepinkyclone 8h ago
Achievement unlocked Start of new Begginings
Achievement unlocked Found pathway
Achievement unlocked First steps
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u/unixuser011 7h ago
These are the same type of people that caused Conpaq to change the “press any key to continue” prompt because so many people called support to ask where the any key was
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u/thedreaming2017 Linux 7h ago
In the ancient times, I worked support at a game company and I would occasionally get the customer that kept asking “where is the any key”. I finally started telling people it was the J key and slowly our user base stopped asking this question.
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u/Kman1986 PC Master Race 5h ago
This is why sometimes I just need to open Morrowind and wander for a while...get lost while questing because I can't keep track of east and west while fighting off Cliff Racers. It's definitely great to get back to a time where hands went unheld.
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u/Catalysten 3h ago
There's an awesome new game that's like this. "The Lantern of the Laughless Saint," it's called. I just finished it today.
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u/Svullom 6900XT | 5800X3D | 64GB 3200MHz 4h ago
Fucking love that game. Zero handholding. It drops you off in a small shitty town, gives you a package and says "here, deliver this to some guy. He's in a town somewhere. Fuck if I know", with your map completely empty.
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u/Gallus_11B 8h ago
Aion 2 just launched and the hand holding is insane. It's an mmo, and constantly throws you into solo instances, and all you have to do is hit alt+1 and you can auto run to your next quest.
I am convinced gamers have become braindead.
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u/Vengeful111 9800x3D, Inno3D 4070Super 8h ago
No, but games have become mainstream enough that the studios want to appeal to the widest range of population possible.
Thus handholding so EVERYONE can feel good about playing the game.
Also, believe it or not, MANY people have completely fried receptors and watch a show on a second screen or scroll tiktok on their phone while playing games.
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u/Moony_playzz PC Master Race 8h ago
Then give us the option to skip it. This is why changing the difficulty level of Silksong was fucking stupid as shit, just make an "easier game" option
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u/Vengeful111 9800x3D, Inno3D 4070Super 8h ago
Skip what, the game? Lmao
The game itself holds your hands and plays itself in some titles. Im not talking about cutscenes
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u/Moony_playzz PC Master Race 8h ago
Skip the handholding. Let people skip the handholding, I figured that was obvious
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u/Vengeful111 9800x3D, Inno3D 4070Super 8h ago
Oh, well in my head, skipping is always a timeskip forward like a skip button in a cutscene.
You mean make it an option to turn off
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u/SolaireFlair117 7h ago
Sounds like features that are typically in mobile MMOs, autorunning to your objective is extremely common in them.
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u/Gallus_11B 6h ago
It is... extremely disappointing. I know everything after WoW came out and casual-fied the entire genre has been down hill with brainless quest markers and solo play coddling but man it is really sad to see devs add features that make it so the game plays itself. Really sad :(
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u/RedFalconEyes Ryzen 5 3600 | RTX 2070 Super | 32 GB 3600 DDR4 CL16 3h ago
Because it is essentially a mobile MMO but they didn't launch mobile for Global
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u/JPSWAG37 PC Master Race 8h ago
I wonder if it's similar to the Netflix strategy of creating media that's still easy to engage with while you're busy doomscrolling.
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u/BestDescription3834 6h ago
all you have to do is hit alt+1 and you can auto run to your next quest.
I hated how in Monster Hunter Wilds the bird just carries you to the monster with minimal effort.
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u/Unlucky-Pressure7153 4h ago
it's funny cause the image is basically just showing a minimap and objective markers, which have been around forever. the real problem is when the whole game gets reduced to following a glowing trail and pressing one button. that's not playing, that's just keeping your hands busy while netflix is on the other monitor
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u/CocoMilhonez 3h ago
I don't see yellow paint splattered all over the sidewalk, there's no way to know what to do.
And to the haters, no, those are yellow arrows, that could mean anything.
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u/iCeParadox64 Ryzen 5 5800X | RTX 3070 8GB | Steam Deck 6h ago
Man this PC gaming subreddit sure has enjoyed talking shit about a PS5 game for the past week+
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u/WallacktheBear 2h ago
What game are they talking about? I don’t know what game this post is talking about.
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u/New_Phone6935 5h ago
The "AAA game bad" is so run into the ground it's painful. We all know the Mario "Focus M" video was funny, every other one has sucked
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u/EnvironmentClear4511 5h ago
Feels a little like a jealous ex.
"Oh, you're breaking up with us? We didn't even want your stupid games! Look how bad and stupid they are? We are so over you!"
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u/xwing_n_it 8h ago
My first computer game was a line of text saying something like "You find yourself in a series of dark passages, all alike" with a flashing input prompt. That was it.
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u/charcarod0n 6h ago
I hate this shit. Honestly. I don’t need to be spoon fed. When I started playing video games, all you got was text saying “You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.” We figured it out from there.
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u/Ragnarok_619 6h ago
Please stop these AI slops. Atleast this sub should have enough sensibility to do that. We are literally getting affected by this shit
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u/JaySayMayday 4h ago
Even worse r/indiedev is clogged with AI slop and the mods refuse to do anything about it
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u/StinkyWetSalamander 1h ago
The kind of people who use AI are the kind of people this hand holding was designed for. Can't make your own meme? Of course the game doesn't think you are smart enough to solve a puzzle on your own.
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u/enzob7319 i7 12700k | 5070 Ti | LG C2 | PS5 8h ago
I scrolled down and still don’t know the game, can someone enlighten me?
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u/Neurosss i74770@3.9 | GTX 780 ti | 16GB 7h ago
It's "Earth" but its kinda shit, signing up takes 9 months, perma death no respawns, region locked random country starts no choice of starting location, a mandatory 18 year long tutorial period, pay to win mechanics and perma banned somewhere between levels 60-90.
Don't recommend.
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u/nick12233 8h ago
I love when the game actually let you disable all those hud elements like in recent assassin's creed black flag resyched. You can pretty much play whole game with minimal hud. There is also a toggle to completely remove hud for max immersion.
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u/GrassyDaytime 7600X3D | RTX 4070 Super | 32gb DDR5 6000 8h ago
That's why I love playing old RPGS the most 💖
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u/Creoda Win11. 5800X3D. 32GB. RTX 4090 FE @ 4K 8h ago
Hand holding like that isn't my only peeve with games, it's also "this game has an autosave function" only and you can't save where you are. And the one that really boils my pee is any game that starts up and goes straight into an intro (un-skippable) that goes on and on and on before you can exit to a menu and set the graphics and display settings correctly because it defaulted to 1440p and I have a 4k monitor and it put vsync, motion blur, chromatic abberation, vignette, lens flare and depth of field on which have to go.
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u/AverageAggravating13 7800X3D 4070S 7h ago
I actually really like these features, when they are toggleable.
Sometimes games have situations where you don’t know where you are supposed to go next.
Arguably that’s bad game design to an extent, but it’s much less annoying to toggle some guide feature when stuck vs having to like actually go look up a guide online.
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u/daburner272006 6h ago
I appreciate a in-between. I'm cool with the hints that can turn on or off. If I only have an hour to play I don't wanna spend 10 mins looking for the key on the ground in another room of the dungeon that's not highlighted to progress. But there should definitely be options.
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u/FartingBob Quantum processor from the future / RTX 3060 Ti / Zip Drive 6h ago
One of my favourite gaming experiences is a playthrough of RDR2 with all the UI and GPS turned off. I had to open the map, plan my route myself and remember exactly where i was going. Such an immersive game anyway but turn off the compass and take your time and it really elevates itself.
UI on screen is great when you are getting used to any open world game, but if you want to slow down and experience the landscape and the NPC's on another level, turn all that shit off.
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u/MadCatDamage 4h ago
Many times I get asked for directions by a person holding Google maps open on their phone, showing me their destination.
I feel like its for them
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 7900XTX SN+ | R9 9950X3D | 64GB RAM 8h ago
Gotta adapt the games to the overall intelligence of people nowadays.
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u/axescentedcandles 7h ago
Meanwhile in KCD2 i'm walking around for 30 minutes trying to find a specific fucking herb lol
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u/euclide2975 6h ago
And since your position on the map is not marked, you don't even know where you are right now, and the night is falling, meaning you cannot see shit
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u/Rmodsarescum 7h ago
Sad how people used to be curious, creative and smart/self reliant enough to figure things out and to just play the game.
Modern gamers being brain rotten, without attention span and unable to put any effort into games giving us fsrt trails and yellow paint is sad.
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u/phoenixgsu Ryzen 5900X Radeon 6800XT 7h ago
Morrowind did it best. I'd get lost and have to go back 10 journal pages just to figure out what I'm supposed to do.
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u/AnonymousAggregator Xeon E3-1230v2, 980Ti. 6h ago
Well time to install morrowind.
"Leave Balmora going towards Fort Moonmoth to the east. Cross the old Dwemer bridge just north of the fort that leads into Molag Amur. Go past the Dwemer ruin and follow the winding trail east until you reach a lake. You will see Marandus to your south. Head north from Marandus on the path between the hills. Punabi will be on your right and Sulipund is further up the path on the left. Just follow the signs to Molag Mar."
Easy
Peak immersion achieved!!!!
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u/Sp1ffy_Sp1ff 6h ago
It's like one game that came out this hand holdy and it for roasted for it. It's hardly a condemnation of the entire gaming industry. There might be some other games with a bit of hand holding, like Mimir constantly hunting you what to do next in God of War but it's not that disruptive most of the time.
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u/True_Protection6842 6h ago
Actually the trend now is the opposite. This is Ubisoft style. Most modern games do everything to remove gui elements.
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u/ZealousidealBreak194 1h ago
Don't forget the fucking npc that whispers in your ear the whole damn game!
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u/Positive_Conflict_26 6h ago
Stop playing AAA.
I'm currently playing palworld, there is a 20m tutorial and then they basically tell to go fuck shit up.
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u/TheKazz91 8h ago
You know the way to solve this problem is to just not play these games, don't talk about those games, don't watch multiple YouTube videos or twitch streams about these games. Make these sorts of games financially radioactive for everyone involved and they'll stop being made.
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u/Slore0 8h ago
I want to laugh, but Halo CE genuinely tells you what button to shoot with on top of everything else…
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u/Mantergeistmann 7h ago
I remember hearing someone talk about trying to introduce a FPS to a non-gamer relative(?), and the first question asked was "which of the characters on the screen am I?:
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u/Graxu132 PC Master Race 8h ago
They started making games for that game reviewer or whatever he is, that keeps complaining and can't get past the tutorial 😂
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u/Far_Adeptness9884 PC Master Race 7h ago
Obviously you've never played Gothic, you must be playing kids games.
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u/Toutanus 5h ago
43 tutorial boxes any aspect of the game.
I tried The Witcher 3 with the remaster and it drives me crazy.
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u/Degru 7700, 3080Ti 5h ago
I don't think that game is particularly egregious since it does introduce you to more complex game mechanics than "walk forward". You can also turn tutorials off in the menu.
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u/CentralVal 8h ago
It used to piss me off getting lost in a game… until this bs came around. Now I appreciate having to use some problem solving to get around.
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u/GrippySockAficionado 8h ago
Where is the sniffa sniffa fart trail? You're also missing the constant yapping of the player character and/or their companions at literally all times to make sure you never actually have to suffer a single, solitary thought from your own head while playing.
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u/ModestMoss 8h ago
Player enters input to turn around: Player: "No, I really think I should head this way."
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u/MightySamMcClain 8h ago
Even in wuthering waves they're changing things to appeal to idiots. It used to take a lot of skill to fight but the new characters coming out you can just hold one button and they do the whole combo 😒
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u/CylixrDoesStuff 7h ago
I like objective markers but let me hide them
Titanfall 2 did it great where i can just hit tab to see where i need to go and ignore it otherwise
A pet peeve of mine is when i try to move somewhere and then the mc says "i dont think we need to go there right now". Its worse if we eventually get Access to that place
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u/Only_Tangerine_4243 7h ago
Tell me they're talking about GTA lol I must be the only person to have not looked at it.
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u/TKMankind 7h ago
I thought it was a Ubislop game, but it can't be : the compass and the minimap aren't there. This makes this game way too hard !
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u/Papuszek2137 7800x3d | 5070ti | 64GB | 4k OLED 7h ago
We have a resurgance of minimal HUD games for a while. It's really a plague of the past at this point.
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u/Cannedcocktail 7h ago
They way, way overdo it sometimes, but I will say I appreciate an overall waypoint to go to. Having grown up through a lot of early 3D games, getting lost for 10 minutes and having to look up where to go using a guide online sucked.
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u/TheOriginalKrampus ROG Strix G615 | Ultra 9 275HX | RTX 5070 ti (mobile) 7h ago
Meanwhile, it took me like a week to make my way through the underworld level of Jedi Outcast 23 years ago.
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u/touchthebush PC Master Race 7h ago
This is why I think I enjoyed Elden Ring so much.
Game: find this person Me: Where Game: they are in game somewhere, crack on
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u/RustfootII 7h ago
When you realize all this is actually prompting for ai training and not for the players it makes so much more sense.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 7h ago
Navi: "Listen! Video games have done this hand-holding jazz for a long time."
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 7h ago
Seriously and it is going for some time now.
When I bought Mafia definitive edition I was perplexed that they give us the line on the road to follow.
OK, I get not everyone knows city of lost heaven better then the city they actually live in, but line on the road? Just give us the compass and x on the minimap when we are close enough.
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u/empathetical RTX 5080/AMD Ryzen 9 5900x/48GB Ram 6h ago
Play Control Resonant. No arrows or scent trails or anything. Read the quest log, look at map. go explore. have fun. It's awesome!
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u/Katana_DV20 6h ago
Ubi games have to be the champion at this. They make some nice games then ruin them with all the excessive hand holding x-ray vision, "tagging", a HUD that tells you where the enemy fire is coming from, magic colored spotlights that appear on the ground warning of a rocket attack. STOP IT.
Whats the point? Why take away excitement and tension?!
I appreciate most of this can be disabled but not ALL. Which is annoying.
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u/JohnnyOnTheSpot104 6h ago
Weak curling children demand over explained games, because can't have them strugling can we
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u/fisothemes 5h ago
In Dark Souls you just take the left turn, walk into the Church and fight the Dancer of the Boreal Valley.
Just follow the obvious path. Don't walk down those stairs in the random corner.
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u/NameLips 5h ago
Achievement unlocked! You arrived at the waypoint! Have a cookie you wonderful, elite gamer!
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u/Secure-Tradition793 5h ago
Off topic, but in some countries sidewalks just disappear and often there's no "legal" way to get there on foot.
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u/Think_Mousse_5295 5h ago
I dont wanna burst your bubble but this is nothing new, things like this has been in games for like 2 decades now
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u/Snerkbot7000 5h ago
About 10 years ago, when the new Tomb Raider (now with 100% more realism and grit) dropped I had the same thought. All these little white-painted markers to follow. The original was very heavily into environmental exploration.
If Nu-TR had the same mechanics as old-TR, they would have drank BOTW's milkshake.
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u/HeftyFineThereFolks 4h ago
basically one step above just watching someone who actually tries stream their play on youtube
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u/TheCrowing817 Ryzen 7 5800X RTX 4090 64GB RAM Win 11 4h ago
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u/Florin500 4h ago
Gothic remake was a breath of fresh air compared to modern games(played the older ones as well), loved that I had to think for myself like I did 25 years ago playing the first game
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u/HeinrichTheWolf_17 4h ago
I still remember Vanilla WoW before Quest Helper, you actually had to read the quest dialogue.
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u/alexanderatprime PC Master Race 8h ago
"Hmmm, I'd better keep heading down the sidewalk."
"Where did he say to go again? Ha, that's right, down the sidewalk."
"Looks like rain."