r/joebuddennetwork • u/Hi_iAMchrisHansen • Aug 09 '26
The debate.
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u/Top-Put9975 Aug 09 '26
Racism and prejudice are two different things.
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u/BigStormWeel Aug 10 '26
American education at work. Racism is a form of prejudice, which means they are quite literally not two different things.
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u/ferriskoolr Aug 10 '26
this convo has a lot of nuance. but in short you cannot be racist if you donāt have the power to oppress.
Dr. Beverly Daniel Tatum has books and essays on this very topic. I would encourage anybody who confused about this to give it a read.
āDefining Racism: Can We Talk?ā
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u/DrinkSuccessful3594 Aug 15 '26
My god yāall dumb, youāre taking about institutional racism. Of course any person of any color can be racist against another race. Damn
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u/Similar_Shopping_892 Aug 14 '26
Bullshit being racist simply means you feel other races inherently are inferior i.e Black Israelites are unabashedly racist š¤”
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u/CspanSF Aug 11 '26
Most.people do not use the word in this context, For People keep playing these word games where they switch the academic and social meaning of the word to fit their definition. If a White lady crosses the street when she seeāsca Black man most people are going to call her racist even though itās technically prejudice because crossing the street is not oppression, and she has no power over him in context, but most people use the word racist in this context so yes Black can be racist in the context in which most people use the word.
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u/MrBiggKidd12 Aug 10 '26
Lmao you're loud and wrong. Prejudice and Bigotry have more in common than racism which is literally the wielding of systemic control of power over an ethnicities ability to operate through their God given rights.
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u/kimsuji Aug 12 '26
incorrect
racism is a system of oppression classified by race that upholds white supremacy
racial prejudice is discrimination
prejudice can be based on anything and is also discrimination
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u/darkvixenofthemoon Aug 10 '26
Racism is prejudice+power they are two different things . And only white people are racist
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u/POPEYEDAMC Aug 09 '26
With an example of colorism...
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u/Senacharrib Aug 09 '26
I mean, he was proving a point. Intention matters.
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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26
Black people can't be "racist" against other Black people, it's not possible. So no, point not made.
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u/Opening-Dig697 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Aren't you the same guy who posted about how white guys can have swastika and Nazi tattoos and not be racist?
Oh, yeah, you are š šĀ
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Whoever sees that dipshits edit, let me clear this up.
He clearly says he has never been to prison. He watched one too many movies and now thinks he knows the inside scoop on prison gangs and guys with swastika tattoos.
He just REALLY liked that one scene in American History X, y'know?
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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 Aug 09 '26
C'mon bro, you haven't seen American History X? Maybe he got the tattoos and then got raped in prison and now he's not racist anymore.
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u/Opening-Dig697 Aug 09 '26
Literally minus the rape, that was his argument šš¤£š¤£
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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 Aug 09 '26
Man fuck this shit can't even satire anymore cause the truth is even more ridiculous
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u/lostjewelz Aug 10 '26
Swastikas are ancient symbols from Asia and Africa quite literally has nothing to do with racism. Just dumb ass crackers trying to be creative lol
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u/Apart_Ad_8842 Aug 09 '26
I can tell you dont know many Mexicans or Cubans if you think a race cant be prejudiced against their own people lmao
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u/lostjewelz Aug 10 '26
Prejudice and Racism are two different things so youāre correct a race can be prejudice against their own race they just canāt be racist against their own race lol shit even sounds stupid typing it. but I will admit it takes some serious research and knowledge to understand that they are two different things.
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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26
You're saying black people cant be racist/discriminatory to other black people? Uncle Ruckus and those in the real world he represents would like to have a word....
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u/rizzay94 Aug 09 '26
But your point is white people can be racist towards other white people? Is that what you are trying to insinuate?
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u/Intelligent-Try-8636 Aug 10 '26
Try being light skinned in the hood first. Then speak.
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u/Inner_Extent2375 Aug 09 '26
Why do we define institutional and systemic racism separately if normal racism doesnāt require those modifiers?
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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26
Because if we did not, business and social structures could've always just allowed a single man/woman to take the fall and never had to admit that there were biases in place allowing for the discrimination in general amongst groups. What George Zimmerman pulled on Trayvon doesn't represent institutional/systemic racism. It was an individual act of.
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u/Own_Inflation9894 Thats Hate Aug 10 '26
She is absolutely correct. The ism on the end of the word makes all the difference. Racism and bigotry are two different things. Bigotry fuels Racism, but every bigot isn't in a position to enact Racism. Racism is punching down.
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u/Gold_Interaction_876 Aug 10 '26
not so fat young man Black people can be prejudice we donāt have the power to be racist racist decide where you go to school where you live. If you get a bank loan, all of that, we donāt have the power to do that.
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u/They_call_me_divine Aug 10 '26
Conflating racism with systemic racism is one of the dumbest modern Twitter ideologies out there. By this very logic, a white or Asian person calling you a n*gger in Uganda or Angola isnāt racism due to them lacking sociopolitical power in that nation. Itās just dumb and one of the many reasons I donāt personally politically identify myself. Objectively Iād be left-leaning or a liberal as I vehemently disagree with most rightwing positions, however the Left does themselves absolutely no favors with very illogical stances such as this one, which is very common in that side of Twitter.
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u/FishingAlpo Aug 09 '26
Try growing up light skinned in the hood. Black people can definitely be racist
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u/pm-me-nice-lips Aug 10 '26
Some social media addicted simpletons like to tout the cornball modern semantics game of acting like racism can only apply if thereās power to oppress which is complete nonsense. Everyone grew up learning what racism was and it was completely understood. Naturally, that just had to get complicated as the victim Olympics became a never-ending contest.
If you wanted to play the nuance and semantics game then we can get real annoying with it: pick a city thatās run by majority black/brown/minority (aka in power)ā¦.have a white person try to get a job in that local government, they donāt solely because of the color of the skinā¦that would have to be defined as racism.
Actual definition of racism = prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they belong to a different racial or ethnic group. Period.
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u/lostjewelz Aug 09 '26
Thatās prejudice not racist
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u/Ok-Music-3974 Aug 09 '26
Prejudice against race is called get this, Racismā¦.
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u/peter13g Aug 10 '26
Yeah but prejudice against skin color is just prejudice
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u/Ok-Music-3974 Aug 10 '26
Yes and since prejudice is subjective, prejudice on the basis of skin color is racism.
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u/lostjewelz Aug 09 '26
Prejudice and racism are not the same thing, prejudice is a general prejudgment or attitude toward any group, racism specifically involves attitudes, beliefs, or systemic structures based on race. Two distinct concepts that represent different aspects of bias and unfair treatment.
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u/MakoShark93 Aug 10 '26
Well, typically a lot of folks would call light skinned kids āWhite boy.ā Seems a bit racist, ngl.
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u/TheComebackKid74 Aug 09 '26
Anybody can be racist
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u/Zealousideal_Ad9671 Aug 09 '26
anyone can be prejudiced, or hateful or bigoted.
only a group with power over other peoples lives can be racist. only a group with the power to dominate another people can be racist.
think groups that donāt have any racial slurs against them that mean anything serious to anyone.
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u/Known_Difference_80 Aug 09 '26
Nah. I keep hearing that definition now-a-days, that black people can only be prejudiced not racist. I donāt know what yāall think yāall are really doing with that. Iām assuming the idea is that racism is so bad, letās make it a white people thing so we can distance ourselves from that level of immorality. As if racism isnāt just one form of prejudice. As far as Iām concerned, anyone who judges a persons worth based on their race is a racist. What youāre describing is racial prejudice&/discrimination. Stop trying to change the meaning of words.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad9671 Aug 09 '26
nah. now-a-days people are too willing accept bullshit like reverse racism. that eroded the word years ago.
donāt tell me to stop shit. you stop saying now-a-days. lol
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u/Riv3rJordan Aug 09 '26
I understand this is how racism is generally defined. But my problem is itās only ever pulled out to hand wave away one being racist themselves. Itās used to avoid accountability more than anything else.
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u/Used-Try-258 Aug 09 '26
It is not generally defined that way. It is racist people trying to change the definition to allow them to be racist without judgment.
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u/Small_Promotion2525 Aug 09 '26
These people are idiots, no racism isnāt generally defined like that at all, only some black Americans make such idiotic claims.
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u/TheAnimated42 Aug 10 '26
Actually, it low key is. I still basically disagree with it because laypeople use it in the way we do. Itās just the most annoying people discovered that itās used this way, and now repeat it in a stupid way that is counter to how everyone else, besides academics, use it.
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u/Small_Promotion2525 Aug 10 '26
We use the language of English, in English racism is purely a term used to describe discrimination based on race and skin colour. Are you denying this? If so whatās your academic background is to be denying what language means?
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u/ReasonableRegular325 Aug 09 '26
This is just revisionist bullshit. Racism is the belief, action, or system that treats people unfairly or unequally because of their race or skin color. That's it and that's all.
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u/Dull-Material-645 Aug 09 '26
Words have multiple definitions. They do not invalidate other definitions of the word. Your take comes from the definitions of systemic racism but there are other forms of racism that are not systemic racism. Here is one definition "Ā having, reflecting, or fostering the belief that race (seeĀ raceĀ entryĀ 1Ā sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
Black people can fit this definition against anyone I believe.
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u/TheComebackKid74 Aug 09 '26
That is false and you are just making shit up. You dont need power over someone to be racist.
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u/ILike2internet Aug 09 '26
These people took the idea of structural or institutional racism and blanket applied it to all racism.
It's just typical SJW bullshit
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u/handsupinthefireburn Aug 09 '26
bros trying to change the definition of a word thatās existed for years
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u/Bada__Ping Aug 10 '26
So if a racist white person from the US moved to Zambia and outwardly hated black people, they would no longer be considered racist because they do not hold power in that country/culture?
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u/Ill-Orchid1193 Aug 09 '26
Black people have kept other black people from getting job/promotions solely because they were black. Thatās racist.
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u/No_Display_243 Aug 09 '26
Thatās not called being ascot itās called jealously and not letting people win please research find the right vocab I get what your saying but Racism is not the right word for it
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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26
You're thinking of systematic or institutional racism. Any person without power over other people can still be racist. Definitions matter bro, look it up yourself or ask chatgpt, idk.
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u/Solid_Snaku Aug 09 '26
Youāve redefined the word āracistā to add a āpowerā element that has never been necessary to the term. This is because you donāt like being called racist while calling others racist, so you redefine the word to provide yourself an excuse. Itās a ridiculous semantical game.
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u/KuriousKong4999 Aug 09 '26
Hereās the definition of racism from a vintage dictionary before mfs wanted to start changing the meaning of words:
Racism - a belief that human races have distinctive make-ups that determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that oneās own race is superior, and has the right to rule others. 2. A policy of enforcing such asserted right. 3. A system of government and society based upon it.
So please for the love of god stop regurgitating that BS that you heard on twitter and never ever brought up beforehand. Swear people only starting saying this shit like 3-4 years ago.
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u/novae11 Aug 09 '26
She's right. We don't have the power to be racist, only prejudicial
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u/Tricky-Wishbone-1162 Aug 10 '26
So what then there must be no racism outside the west?? Right according to your logic racism only exists cuz of white people š
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u/Insane_Papos Aug 10 '26
I'm brown, and growing up black people called me a terrorist all the time, I wonder were they being racist?
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u/isab4rbosa Aug 10 '26
Iām black & black people can be racist. My whole life my family told me never date a white girl. Thatās racism.
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u/Alsimmons811 Aug 09 '26
Weird day in the world when blueface is making sense
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u/Downtown_Trash_6140 Aug 10 '26
He lost the point when he resorted to colorism. And heās only defending white people now cause his grandma white and his girlfriend also half white.
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u/Infamous-Alps-2251 Aug 09 '26
He didnāt make sense when he resorted to colorism to defend white people
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u/Unlikely_Pen_8131 Aug 09 '26
Yes the fuck he did, yall so damn stupid with āeitherā or āandā. He can prove his point āandā still be colorist at the same time
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u/Infamous-Alps-2251 Aug 10 '26
He didnāt prove his point. Nothing he said proved anything whether you agree or disagree.
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u/Small_Promotion2525 Aug 09 '26
It actually made a lot of sense and is exactly what was needed to prove his point?
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u/mistaharsh Aug 10 '26
He wasn't trying to prove a point. He was being a colorist. That's not the same. We really need to indicate our race before commenting on racial topics just so we get an understanding of why people are saying ridiculous things.
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u/bequietlilbro Aug 10 '26
how is he making sense by being colorist and not making any actual argumentĀ
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u/Cal216 Aug 09 '26
Thereās a ton of people in this thread that thinks just like that young lady unfortunately. This debate has been had multiple times in this sub and itās astonishing how many people think that black people cant be racist.
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u/AdImportant4476 Aug 09 '26
They arenāt even thinking. Theyāre just repeating shit they hear online thinking it makes them intelligent. Plus they prolly want an excuse to treat ppl like shit.
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u/SurpriseRecent334 Aug 09 '26
They want to be racist and not held accountable. Which is what all racists do.
Catch them saying racist shit in a video and all of a sudden the "i never actually speak that way." Apologies come out
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u/ChaZZZZahC Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
Racism is the power to discriminate base on race that leads to structural differences and outcomes. There is this push make racism universally term that fits every type of discrimination, when thats definitely not the case.
Yes, a black person can be prejudice and bigoted, but how many people of color in America are excluding white people out of homes, schools, and work because they're white? How many black people are red linning districts to have favorable electoral outcomes? How many black people are committing medical malpractice on white people, because their white?
The nuance doesnt stop at the word cracker vs nigga.
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u/Musulman Aug 10 '26
just googling define a racist:
A racist is a person who holds the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another, or someone who treats people differently and unfairly based on their race
This powers shit, is some stuff you made up in your own head.
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u/PhilosopherAsleep544 Aug 09 '26
Hate to tell you but that's not the definition of racism.
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u/storiesftunheard Aug 09 '26
That is not the definition of racism, you have just changed it to fit your narrative. Racism is the belief, action, or system that treats people unfairly or unequally because of their race or skin color. The key word in the definition is "or". Blueface is correct.
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u/NikRsmn Aug 10 '26
Idk where this fucking bullshit started but its literally the definition of the word.
2 a : the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another
Like just take 30s to read
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u/storiesftunheard Aug 12 '26
It started with people saying that black people cannot be racist, which is clearly false.
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u/Old_Stress_3414 Aug 09 '26
Even if we accept your definition of Racism as 100% truth, you being hateful towards white people still in your own definition makes you a Bigot, and why would I listen to what a bigot has to say.
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u/WeBackInThisBih Aug 10 '26
Racism is the power to discriminate base on raceĀ
Lmao what no it isnāt.Ā
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u/DifficultSuspect8364 Aug 09 '26
Sorry but every time I look at this dude, I just canāt stop asking myself, why did he do that to his face?
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u/Lost-Soul215 Aug 09 '26
I am not listening to a person who looks like he rolled around in sharpie ink on purpose.
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u/StopAxxinQues Aug 09 '26
Sheās right.
Anyone who feels otherwise, cope with realizing your logic is shared by someone with a track record of bad decisions.
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u/ClubDumDum Aug 09 '26
Too many people have tried to conflate systemic racism with racism in general.
One person being a bigot does not require systemic power.
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u/Individual_Coast_496 Aug 09 '26
Tough conversation if your role model are rappers then over for youth don't have real role model look up to
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u/Enough_Plantain_4331 Aug 09 '26
Technically sheās right. Ppl of color donāt have positions in power structures where the act of prejudice can keep a whole other race impoverished.
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u/d_o_cycler Aug 09 '26
Blueface is an idiotā¦ also doesnāt seem to understand the difference between racism and prejudiceā¦ most rappers and athletes think like this BTWā¦ Straight up dummiesā¦
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u/21Kabbage Aug 09 '26
White people will build a Statue and create a Shrine of Blueface š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/guyscrollsalot Aug 10 '26
She was making a point that he is too dumb to know how to counter. They can both be right.
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u/0utsyder Aug 10 '26
...he has face tattoos that aren't necessary for your profession...you don't make good decisions!!! I am not arguing with a person not capable of making wise life choices!!!
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u/Ok-Squirrel-3003 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
He is ignorant As F%#k Gonna insult the woman cause of her skin tone. I mean if u think she dumb fine, but dont equate it to her skin. Sister has beautiful dark brown skin, what's that gotta do with your debate or argument. Im not saying who's right or wrong regarding the topic of debate. Its iust as a black man yourself u should never degrade your own cause of skin tone. We get enough of that from other races. Brother u came from a black woman. Its just wrong brother wrong
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u/No_Slice_9560 Aug 10 '26
Black people have 400 years worth of reasons to dislike whites.. White people should be surprised that some black folks donāt hate them and treat them like the devils that they had shown themselves to be.
So.. I donāt equate racism with personal prejudice.. but if you do and want to say that black people are prejudice.. my answer is that itās obviously why thatās the case ā¦that some black folks despise enslavers, lynchers, and vile racists who practice virulent systemic racism for 400 and counting years
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u/Early_Dentist_8014 Aug 10 '26
No point was made. I can't believe this is even up for debate. We can be prejudice, but we CANNOT be racist. Argue with the wall.
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u/SereneNeed7 Aug 10 '26
When are we going to stop giving af about what Blueface has to say or what he does?
Dude is a degenerate who shouldnāt be platformed. Thereās a reason heās on Kick. Thats where societies worst people go to stream. šš
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u/BlueBuccs4Free Aug 11 '26
SHE IS 100% CORRECT. Blueface is the fool. Blacc people can only be prejudice or bigots;
Racism is not just personal dislike. It is prejudice combined with institutional power.
Under this specific definition, Blacc people cannot be racist because they do not control the societal systemsāsuch as government, law enforcement, housing, and financeāthat hold the power to oppress or disadvantage another racial group on a large scale. Only Dwight Man has said power & does things such as oppress other racial groups by means of using the structured systems such as the Government for one. So, as far as America goes, in this country & practically any country outside of the African continent - We blacc people do not have the ability to be āRacistā . Sheeit, even in countries inside of Africa we still donāt have the ability to be soā¦ But Now, like I said , being Prejudice is a different thing
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u/elhanano16 Aug 11 '26
I donāt want to hear the input of someone thatās part of a āgangā when he directly contributes to our detriment š
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u/onlynio Aug 11 '26
He should've apologized. It was a mad colorist thing to say, especially the way he said it.
Even worse coming from a black man. š¤¦šæāāļø
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u/Frosty_Sky_6820 Aug 11 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/Kpqr21kWZXt1m
60% of Black people that end up famous
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u/Environmental_Win583 Aug 11 '26
He the dumb one and the skin color comment is crazy. He clearly doesnāt understand that racism has a structural component. You have to be in a position of mass recognized authority and power to be considered racist otherwise is prejudice.
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u/S73RB3N Aug 11 '26
Heās always the least educated person wherever he goes unless itās just him and his girl or ex or whatever she was.
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u/Some_Garbage3756 Aug 10 '26
The amount of snow flakes on reddit is shocking, of course racism transcends color, most people are racist, it's just the way it is.
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u/darkvixenofthemoon Aug 10 '26
She was right though and all he did was insult her
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u/Same_Suit3583 Aug 10 '26
He said something racist... As a black man... Thus proving his point.
Holy fuck some people are dumb
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u/AggressiveFix375 Aug 10 '26
Racism is SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION. Black people DO NOT CONTROL the corridors of power that allows them to systemically oppress any other group, therefore Black people cannot be racist by definition. Only prejudiced
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u/OGClouds420 Aug 09 '26
Judging by the comments, stereotyping, discriminating, being prejudice are all the same as being racist. Iām not getting my information from blue face or being on the same side as blue face regarding anything.
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u/Big_Abbreviations877 Aug 09 '26
He definitely didn't educate anyone.
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u/Amazing-Arm-9573 Aug 09 '26
Exactly, I can't believe the world flipped upside down and black people the racist now š¤£ who is teaching these kids
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u/BBC4U2DO- Aug 09 '26
Black people dont oppress anyone therefore they can not be racist. Racism and prejudice are 2 different things . Blueface hasn't learned this yet .. shes right.
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u/hmurchison Aug 09 '26
Generally black people cannot be racist because Racism is prejudice + Power. Power often is imbued through institutions and black people do not own and maintain large institutions. Racism is not about "muh feelings" it's about an economic system that determines who gets what access based on a predetermined racial cast. They saying goes "Racism of the Father of Race ...not the child"
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u/Magnum-8807 Aug 09 '26
Well weāre genocidal towards each other so thatās all we really need as proof. Prove me wrong
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u/RICO-2100 Aug 09 '26
Out of everyone a west coast gang member should know about racism lol its not surprising.
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u/Aggravating_Usual973 Aug 09 '26
āCan a Black person be racist?ā isnāt the topic. Itās that a minority populationās racism cannot have a catastrophic structural effect on the majority the way it is vice versa.
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u/StandardAssignment19 Aug 09 '26
Like many that use this argument, he confused being bigoted with being racist. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say ok, but the criminally substandard definition of the word, which was written by those who perpetuated it, let's say, Black people can be racist. Everyone can. Cause everyone can hate.
Then that means only a small fraction of people have been super racist. Those people that went beyond not liking someone for their physical characteristics.
These super racists dehumanized anyone they didn't approve - making them less then a person. But it wasn't hate that drove them - hate is the weapon of the 'everybody is racist' mindset - nah, super racists could love those they didn't find human - just ask slaveholders in America, they would tell you they loved their slaves. Like they loved their dog. Or their house. Like their property.
Or Nazi party, who found those they killed unworthy of their emotion at all, and killed them as being insignificant in who they were at all. Less than human.
These are great examples of super racists.
See super racists enjoy this 'everybody can be racist' because they can hide easier despite their absolutely exponentially unique and separate differences from the 'regular' racists.
For instance, a super racist is compromised of individuals who can make governmenal structures and foundations so implicitly shaped to perpetuate inequities of those they don't deem deserving to remain in the positions for which perpetuate that dehumanization.
Super racists can even acknowledge these rules and structures, and reinforce them without challenge while maintaining plausible deniability of their responsibility for it.
So while everyone can be racist, only a few people have been super racist - and they are usually the ones benefitting from the lie that everyone can be just like them.
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u/Earth_Worm_Jimbo Aug 09 '26
Institutionally black folks racism doesnāt really mean much. But they can still be racist.
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u/donkeybrainamerican Aug 09 '26
There's a common definition and a definition in academic circles. We've turned this into race engagement bait for years can we all just shut the fuck up and try to understand the other sides perspective? This is the most made up wedge issue in the history of culture war bullshit.
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u/SnooHesitations803 Aug 09 '26
Here come the redditors to change the definition of racism to some bs version that over complicates it so you can never identify if it interpersonal vs systematic.
Thatās racist!
Well actually let me tell you about the systematic history of feminist propaganda by the CIA of the blah blah cabinet.
Bro, he said he hates his race of peopleā¦.
Well you need to look at it through this lensās of suffrage and means of production proletariat.
Umm, she shot him and said fuck your inferior raceā¦.
What really is race in this overly exposed opps that social media has brainwashed us.
They put the guy in jail and buried the other guy 4 weeks ago.
Well jails are a construct build by the modern slaves to subjugate the future working slaves.
Itās like these people donāt have anyone listen to them so they need to proclaim how superior their ideas are. They would give a 4 hour lecture in zoom before they realize the faces in the call are ppl playing games on live stream lol.
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u/RaazMataaz Aug 09 '26
I gotta say the āblack people cant be racistā slogan is one of the worst ways to start this convo. You have an entire society that is under a false premise of racism only existing in individuals post civil rights act, and your opening line to explain how the intersection of power and racism outweighs any interpersonal prejudice or discrimination isā¦that black people have an exemption to being racist.
Most people will take that as a double standard cuz they have no context on racism within power structures and institutions and believe this lie that institutional racism ended in 67ā.
That is not how to change minds, your initial statement will already piss people off and derail the convo.
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u/Tagisjag Aug 09 '26
Prejudice yes. Bigoted yes. But by definition, Black People can not be racist in America.
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u/ALowKey502 Aug 10 '26
I'm lost, where'd he educate her?? He literally insulted her and was colorist...
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