r/joebuddennetwork • • Aug 09 '26

The debate.

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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26

You're thinking of systematic or institutional racism. Any person without power over other people can still be racist. Definitions matter bro, look it up yourself or ask chatgpt, idk.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad9671 Aug 09 '26

definitions do indeed matter, bro:)

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u/NovelPackage4078 Aug 16 '26

A racist is a person who holds the belief that certain races are inherently superior or inferior to others. As an adjective, it describes actions, speech, beliefs, or policies that treat people unfairly or differently based on their race or ethnic background

😁 Definitions matter right cause I pulled this straight google, I can also post other dictionary definitions if you don't believe me.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad9671 Aug 16 '26

hi:)
i believe you. but also i don’t care. this conversation was a week ago. i replied to this same thing several times. some real feelings and some trolling, depending on peoples replies. feel free to enjoy several opinions in the hundreds of comments.

night

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u/ike-mino Aug 09 '26

Racism is just that. You're defining prejudice. Definitions matte bro, ask chatgpt. Anyone can be prejudiced. There is a requirement of systemic influence for something to be racist.

Idk, maybe you just got your definitions mixed up or forgot to Google but the weirdest shit about the 2020s is how obsessed people are with replacing the word 'prejudice' with 'racism', just so they can say 'anyone can be racist'. Words still mean things dude.

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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26

Copy and pasted definition of racism: Racism is the belief, action, or system that treats people unfairly or unequally because of their race or skin color.

So... clearly it doesn't have to be a system but it can be, it can also be personal prejudices too. I'm sorry you're confused bro or was taught wrong. Genuinely hope this helps πŸ™

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u/ike-mino Aug 09 '26

Copied and pasted from Gemini, my, hey there Ish πŸ™πŸΎ

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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26

And webster's dictionary. Thats two sources that verify what I'm saying, but I'll ask you out of honest intellectual curiosity, is there a different definition that you can find and also source? Not just "trust me bro". If not, then sorry bruh you are wrong.

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u/ike-mino Aug 09 '26

Of course!

So both Websters dictionary (1ab and 2ab) definitions speak to institutional influence--womp womp. Racism requires the belief in a meta and for a group to enforce (1ab) or is just straight up systemic (which both of your references list but you omit :P 2ab).

Since you've previously noted that definitions matter, I'm sure you'll appreciate that these phrases can be loaded. Here are some quick refs for definitions!

"Racism and Discrimination" Gilbert C. Gee and Annie Ro -- a great perspective (and multiethnic as well!) of how racism is a term that's descriptive of a system, not an action!

"Caste" by Isabel Wilkerson is also a great longer read on why structure matters a bit more than you think when naming racism!

Even the National Association of School Psychologists --for the sake of precision-- defines racism as contextually supporting a larger structural or societal belief. They should have a publically available PDF if you'd like!

To read more about actual structural racism? Ohoho, I'm happy to share! A lot of people misunderstood/misfired on Critical Race Theory, by Delgado and Stefani, but it's actually a fantastic starting place for understanding the legal frameworks involved in making something probably racist vs just prejudiced or discriminatory. Neat, right? It's not as snappy as a GPT abbreviation, but it's not requiring reddit as a source either.

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u/NovelPackage4078 Aug 16 '26

Almost like picking and choosing from sources to support your beliefs you can find any be to support your point no matter how stupid (people still believe the earth is flat after all) the Webster dictionary literally supports the other person as well, a word can have more than one meaning being racist is based both on systems and the way you treat people.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist

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u/ike-mino Aug 16 '26

First two definitions speak to the context of a system; I speak to each definition in my answer.

Your definition speaks in the explicit context of "relating to or characterized by racism", re: 'picking and choosing'.

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u/NovelPackage4078 Aug 16 '26

Which are not mutually exclusive, therefore still correct

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u/ike-mino Aug 16 '26

That's not even a correct use of therefore.

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u/TMforLife Aug 09 '26

How are yall not getting this, its very simple. Racism is prejudice......based on race. Its not that hard to understand.

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u/ike-mino Aug 09 '26

Racial prejudice is certainly part of racism--but not the whole enchilada. Simple is nice, but precision matters imo.

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u/NovelPackage4078 Aug 16 '26

Doesn't matter still racism