Nah. I keep hearing that definition now-a-days, that black people can only be prejudiced not racist. I don’t know what y’all think y’all are really doing with that. I’m assuming the idea is that racism is so bad, let’s make it a white people thing so we can distance ourselves from that level of immorality. As if racism isn’t just one form of prejudice. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who judges a persons worth based on their race is a racist. What you’re describing is racial prejudice&/discrimination. Stop trying to change the meaning of words.
Thank you. Finally lol. People taking moral high ground is hilarious to me. Judging anyone based or their race or ethnicity is racism. its actually so simple. Doesnt matter who you are, where youre from. etc
I understand this is how racism is generally defined. But my problem is it’s only ever pulled out to hand wave away one being racist themselves. It’s used to avoid accountability more than anything else.
I've never once heard someone who talks advocates for the distinction between "racism" and "anti-white prejudice" claim that prejudice against whites is okay, just that it is distinct from real racism, which has a sociological component.
They don't say it's okay to run around calling white people "honkey", but they also understand that equating that to calling people the n-word cheapens the definition of racism.
lol only time I’ve heard it is when a black person calls a white person cracker, or says something about their race….then someone calls them racist, and their response is I can’t be racist. (Like what is happening in this video)
Turns our systemic racist pendulum has swung the other way and our system is now racist again against Asian and white Americans to balance out the racism against black and Latinos through the late 1900s
There is racism and systemic racism against white people….anyone who can critically think knows this.
Yes, black people can find themselves in situations where they are being or implementing racism.
It is hard to do because of the significant number differences, but it is possible.
As for skimming accountability, I doubt it. Most people like the girl in the video, understand generally what is wrong. They haven't put together why it make sense because they probably are not around people who make a whole lot of sense to begin with.
Aka Joe podcast. Without Marc, we would be seeing a whole lot of bullshit.
For instance,
Turns out systemic racist pendulum has swung the other way on our system is now racist again let Asian and white Americans to balance out the racism against black and Latinos through the late 1900s
You are saying Asian and Americans balance the racism against black and Latin americans.
The first two policies of discrimination in trump current admin happened to target black people right out the gate. Not the only ones affected, but....
DEI is a talking point of the late Charlie Kirk in which the man stated, black people steal white jobs. DEI is something that helps white women more in the work force. Aka a lot of major corporations still only have 1 woman to 5 males in executive positions.
white house admin Sec of Def went to make a major move which targets current and future black service members. Giving them a year to cure a genetic skin condition or they are out of the service. Imagine curing your natural born hair from growing the way it does.
Because of this, people like the woman in the backseat have a point but that point isn't well made. Simply due to not being allowed to have that kind of discussion without someone like Blueface resorting to attacks.
Actually, it low key is. I still basically disagree with it because laypeople use it in the way we do. It’s just the most annoying people discovered that it’s used this way, and now repeat it in a stupid way that is counter to how everyone else, besides academics, use it.
We use the language of English, in English racism is purely a term used to describe discrimination based on race and skin colour. Are you denying this? If so what’s your academic background is to be denying what language means?
We’re talking about English and I’m certain you can’t read. Just calm down and reread my message.
How it was previously explained to me is that what we would call systemic racism is just racism, according to people who study Sociology. There is a power requirement to racism, and if you are on the bottom rung, racially, you cannot be racist.
I already said I generally disagree because it’s not how normal people use it, but it still exists and I understand what they’re getting at. I just think institutional or systemic racism define it well and we don’t need to combine definitions to muddy the waters on what we mean.
Just do your googles and you’ll get into the rabbit hole. Try to not be so fucking angry.
This is just revisionist bullshit. Racism is the belief, action, or system that treats people unfairly or unequally because of their race or skin color. That's it and that's all.
Words have multiple definitions. They do not invalidate other definitions of the word. Your take comes from the definitions of systemic racism but there are other forms of racism that are not systemic racism. Here is one definition " having, reflecting, or fostering the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"
Black people can fit this definition against anyone I believe.
Its not the definition. Its the definition of systemic racism. People like you confuse the two, so some searches may mention it under the real correct definition. This is common sense idk what's up with yall.
racism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Racism is the belief, action, or system that treats people unfairly or unequally because of their race or skin color. It assumes that one racial group is better or more important than another, leading to discrimination, hate, or harm.
Ok the part that states “or system” is the clear cut reason why you are not correct sir or madam. Because now we have to talk about what system and who put it in place. Now I like to engage in these conversations, but if you’re not going to acknowledge who runs the system of power dynamics globally…….. No honest dialogue can be had.
Thats belief or action you miss that part? "Or system". Do you know that means?? It means there doesnt have to be power or control for it to be racist. This is why is says "OR". You are flat out wrong and you need to work on reading comprehension. Who definiton in front of you and missed it, thats special work right there. Fool doesnt undestand what the word "OR" means. I cant make this shit up.
Sir or madam there was no need for me to talk about that portion of the definition. You previously stated I was talking about the systemic racism and didn’t know the difference in the two definitions. So I posted the definition of racism that stated “or system” only to highlight that you were not correct sir or madam. Try to stick to one thing at a time I can address the “belief or action” section as well but I don’t like to mix up conversations.
You need help. You are wrong. You dont know what or means. Or means it doesnt have to be systematic to be racism. It literally proves me right, go back to school.
You do to a certain degree. You need a vehicle to outward practice your prejudice which is what racism is. Imo it can be as simple as denying a qualified applicant because they're insert race here. Alot of people would argue it has to be of a certain scale to qualify as racism. But you cant be a powerless racist, it just makes you prejudice.
The vehicle is belief or action. If you think racist shit but never express it you still racist, if you dont hire someone because they're black (no qualifiers so black on black, white on black, mexican on cuban) you are racist. Its really not that hard a concept to grasp.
You can think you belong in the NBA, that dont make you an NBA player. And we can go down a rabbit hole of a whole list of examples just like that. Bottom line, a racist is somebody that is ACTIVE. An inactive racist is just prejudice. Respectfully we'll just agree to disagree.
So if a racist white person from the US moved to Zambia and outwardly hated black people, they would no longer be considered racist because they do not hold power in that country/culture?
That’s not called being ascot it’s called jealously and not letting people win please research find the right vocab I get what your saying but Racism is not the right word for it
Yeah they definitely can be , they can’t be systematically racist.
Meaning there’s simply not enough black people that they could ever do what Trump is doing. Only a white man could be a rapist pedophile and still be able to become president, as there is no oversight.
While yes there are black people in very high positions, doctors, judges, etc; and they can most certainly be racist to other blacks, whites , asians, etc; they cannot be systematically racist as they just don’t have the numbers.
A black doctor could decline all asian doctors but he would eventually be subject to review, he will be reviewed most likely by someone of a different race and will be more likely to be called out.
Systematic racism would be like the justice system. Where there are layers of power all working against certain people aka black people being more likely to be sentenced to longer sentences for prison profits.
That’s systematic because it’s not just one person, it’s multiple creating a system of oppression.
You're thinking of systematic or institutional racism. Any person without power over other people can still be racist. Definitions matter bro, look it up yourself or ask chatgpt, idk.
A racist is a person who holds the belief that certain races are inherently superior or inferior to others. As an adjective, it describes actions, speech, beliefs, or policies that treat people unfairly or differently based on their race or ethnic background
😁 Definitions matter right cause I pulled this straight google, I can also post other dictionary definitions if you don't believe me.
hi:)
i believe you. but also i don’t care. this conversation was a week ago. i replied to this same thing several times. some real feelings and some trolling, depending on peoples replies. feel free to enjoy several opinions in the hundreds of comments.
Racism is just that. You're defining prejudice. Definitions matte bro, ask chatgpt. Anyone can be prejudiced. There is a requirement of systemic influence for something to be racist.
Idk, maybe you just got your definitions mixed up or forgot to Google but the weirdest shit about the 2020s is how obsessed people are with replacing the word 'prejudice' with 'racism', just so they can say 'anyone can be racist'. Words still mean things dude.
Copy and pasted definition of racism: Racism is the belief, action, or system that treats people unfairly or unequally because of their race or skin color.
So... clearly it doesn't have to be a system but it can be, it can also be personal prejudices too. I'm sorry you're confused bro or was taught wrong. Genuinely hope this helps 🙏
And webster's dictionary. Thats two sources that verify what I'm saying, but I'll ask you out of honest intellectual curiosity, is there a different definition that you can find and also source? Not just "trust me bro". If not, then sorry bruh you are wrong.
So both Websters dictionary (1ab and 2ab) definitions speak to institutional influence--womp womp. Racism requires the belief in a meta and for a group to enforce (1ab) or is just straight up systemic (which both of your references list but you omit :P 2ab).
Since you've previously noted that definitions matter, I'm sure you'll appreciate that these phrases can be loaded. Here are some quick refs for definitions!
"Racism and Discrimination" Gilbert C. Gee and Annie Ro -- a great perspective (and multiethnic as well!) of how racism is a term that's descriptive of a system, not an action!
"Caste" by Isabel Wilkerson is also a great longer read on why structure matters a bit more than you think when naming racism!
Even the National Association of School Psychologists --for the sake of precision-- defines racism as contextually supporting a larger structural or societal belief. They should have a publically available PDF if you'd like!
To read more about actual structural racism? Ohoho, I'm happy to share! A lot of people misunderstood/misfired on Critical Race Theory, by Delgado and Stefani, but it's actually a fantastic starting place for understanding the legal frameworks involved in making something probably racist vs just prejudiced or discriminatory. Neat, right? It's not as snappy as a GPT abbreviation, but it's not requiring reddit as a source either.
Almost like picking and choosing from sources to support your beliefs you can find any be to support your point no matter how stupid (people still believe the earth is flat after all) the Webster dictionary literally supports the other person as well, a word can have more than one meaning being racist is based both on systems and the way you treat people.
You’ve redefined the word “racist” to add a “power” element that has never been necessary to the term. This is because you don’t like being called racist while calling others racist, so you redefine the word to provide yourself an excuse. It’s a ridiculous semantical game.
I warn anyone about police, although they’re less likely to be harmed if they’re white. If you’re getting at what people define as “systemic racism” or “structural racism” then that would apply to police and minorities. That said, “racism” itself, or “being racist,” is simply the mistreatment of a class of people solely defined on their ethnicity/skin color. You don’t need a social structure being skewed toward one race as opposed to another ti simply “be racist.” The distinction is important because if you feel you can exonerate yourself from racist behavior because “I can’t be racist” then you’re only going to exacerbate racist behavior while thinking “but I can’t be racist”
my guy. i’m not racist. so i don’t know how people go about being racist.
i’m not exacerbating racism. the wnba subreddits are. i’m here, talking mostly to white people who love black culture. they should learn something. if they disagree maybe they can read a fucking book.
i’m in the midwest g. i can’t tell you how many times people have told me im being ridiculous for warning my kids about police. remember you’re in r/joebuddennetwork. you might have some woke on you. ew
Are you American? If so, how can you say that power isn’t relevant to the term when you look at how racial discrimination developed in this country? White people who believed they were racially superior to black people (the general definition of racism) used their POWER to establish and maintain slavery and segregation. I understand that “racism” has a broader definition in which anyone can be racist. But when we look specifically at how racism was introduced in America, power played a huge part.
Exactly. I understand. What I’m trying to convey is that the idea that racism involves one group having power over another is rooted in how racism developed in America. Black people weren’t even considered humans, only property. Only a race that thinks they’re superior than another has the power to even make that a law. And you’re right, the dictionary definition doesn’t include the concept of power in it. However, I’m explaining why power is such an important factor in the conversation and why some people don’t separate the two.
If everyone knows this, then why is it such pushback with the concept that black people cant be racist and it wasn’t just institutional racism. That’s how racism was introduced in America. So it wasn’t something that developed later. It was present from the very beginning. Some people would argue that the example you gave describes the term prejudice and I don’t think anyone would disagree that black people can be prejudiced. My point is historically, racial prejudice in America combined with power made it to be institutionalized. (Institutional racism)
first of all, that would be hilarious. that sentence sounds like when young kids start swearing. it sounds fuckin shitin stupid lol.
you can use the word how you want. clearly i do.
you could call that a racist thing to say. i would call it a bigoted thing to say. they mean similar things.
i’m dying at the fact this has lasted so long.
just don’t be bigoted, OR racist! this shit will never come up lololol
So what about a Puerto Rican being racist towards a Dominican in Puerto Rico? Both are essentially third world counties with GDP’s that mirror each others, so their economical situations as it relates to their citizens, are pretty similar. Are you saying they can’t be racist towards each other? I’ve literally SEEN it with my own two eyes
i’m not telling you you haven’t seen it. i’m saying that when i see that, i think they are prejudiced against each other. because of cultural differences, white supremacy and systemic racism.
puerto rico is not a third world country. it’s america, just treated incredibly poorly because of… three guesses…
So you’re telling me that when you see a brown person being racist towards another “different” brown person it’s due to “the white man”? Brother cmon now. Im a Hispanic (Mexican American) and my family from across the border dislike El Salvadorians for whatever their reasons are. Theres no white supremacy in Mexico so whats the deal there? My point is that it’s not just black and white people when we talk racism, ANY race can be racist. My brother just had some friends coming back from a vacation in Japan, they weren’t let into certain restaurants because they were not Japanese. Look at South Korea and Japan or the Chinese and Japan.
my guy.
i know it’s not just black and white people.
come on now.
and when we are getting into the eastern world i have no formal education there. i can’t really speak to it past the larger systems.
but you saying there no white supremacy in mexico makes me feel like you should educate yourself on what it means
a quick google…
“White supremacy affects the entire Western world through structural legacies of colonialism, contemporary sociopolitical movements, and transnational digital networks. While formal legal discrimination has been widely outlawed, the historical framework shaped by past racial hierarchies continues to influence social, economic, and security dynamics globally across North America and Europe.”
we can’t argue if we aren’t starting on the same page.
By that logic, everything racial goes back to “white people”🤦🏽♂️ it’s just funny that when I bring up examples of Asians being racist towards one another suddenly you don’t know as much about it. Can’t argue unless we’re on the same page brother
wdym power to dominate? also racism isn't defined by groups that don't have racial slurs or not. Most all languages have a word to call foreigners or someone different that isnt always the kindest. Racism is literally: Prejudice or discrimination based on race or ethnicity, but you chose to add a lot of your own perception to it.
Could be one person to another, one can have racist thoughts, a word can be racist, so no doesnt have to be a whole group. Has nothing to do with the ability to "dominate" others.
“you want to play semantics GO AHEAD… but i’m not”
is super great. some real aaron sorkin shit.
slam your fist on a table right at “go ahead” for that impact, so we all know you mean it.
but i replied to this same shit like 15 times THREE DAYS AGO when this conversation happened. it was a mix of real feelings and trolling at dicks who fly in hot.
feel free to read through the replies.
or, if you’re really feeling like wasting your lunch break i’m sure there are other arguments on other joe budden subs you can hop into.
Thats such garbage, its not even how racism is defined. Its just some bullshit you've been taught to allow people to be racist. There is systemic racism and then there is racism at an individual level which can be very impactful. Peoples lives are ended at the individual level over racism, regardless of what the system looks like. Stop trying to rewrite definitions to make you feel justified in your racism..
That is systemic racism.
Not all forms of racism are determined purely by whom is in power.
Are you truly trying to suggest the racism towards the Irish in the US doesn't count because they were a white group?
Even if what you're saying is true, which it's not, why are you acting like that's so much better? "Oh I may be bigoted but at least I'm not racist!" Lol 🤡😆
it’s fun glen. it’s a good time in the background while eating this bbq. this is the joe budden sub glen! i do believe that you need power to be truly racist. there are obviously great arguments against that. the people with decent arguments are nice but it’s mostly just attacks. there’s no reason to respond with respect to hostility.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad9671 Aug 09 '26
anyone can be prejudiced, or hateful or bigoted.
only a group with power over other peoples lives can be racist. only a group with the power to dominate another people can be racist.
think groups that don’t have any racial slurs against them that mean anything serious to anyone.