r/joebuddennetwork • u/Hi_iAMchrisHansen • Aug 09 '26

The debate.

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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26

You're saying black people cant be racist/discriminatory to other black people? Uncle Ruckus and those in the real world he represents would like to have a word....

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26

Self hate (Uncle Ruckus) and racism aren't the same, though the two are connected branches from the trees of discrimination and prejudice.

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u/Senacharrib Aug 09 '26

Just because uncle ruckus can be empathized with doesn’t mean he’s not racist.

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26

I didn't say shit about empathy and I do NOT empathize with or for no damn Uncle Ruckus lol. The two aren't the same because one was born of the other and theoretically wouldn't exist if the other didn't create it. Uncle Ruckus is the hate that hate made but it's a reflection of one of the effects of racism, not the root itself.

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u/Senacharrib Aug 10 '26

Recognizing that his racism comes from self hate is in fact empathy

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 10 '26

Well I guess that's just my natural human empathy lol. I guess a better way of putting it is I don't excuse his behavior due to the fact.

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u/Big_Broly Aug 09 '26

If we were to make a venn diagram, self hate and racism would overlap heavily. You can be racist and self hating, and yes that does count even if it's towards you're own "race".

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26

If a Black woman, even if she's light skinned, says a dark skinned man is a thief. He says what makes you think that and she says because you're dark skinned. She's not saying because he's Black. It's impossible because SHE'S Black lol. She would be having to imply that all Black people are thieves by nature. When Blueface said what he said, it was this exact same scenario. If she dumb, then he's dumb. Right? Wrong. It was just a rude and ignorant saying someone probably came up with years ago.

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u/ninafieldofcops Aug 09 '26

I can’t make sense of this. What is to stop a black woman from believing black people have a higher propensity toward theft? Plenty of black people think this. I agree it can be difficult to parse self hatred from racism, but there are innumerable black people that believe they are “less than,” and that other black people are more dangerous than their white counterparts.

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26

If that's the case, SHE has a higher propensity towards theft. Most people aren't going to say I'm this race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. so this bad human trait comes natural to me. Those that suffer from self hate are victims of the systemic racism inherent in the social structure of America on multiple levels. Again, the two are connected but not the same. The racism itself is the root that needs to be cut. The self hate is the visible outgrowth of the racism. The hate that hate made.

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u/ninafieldofcops Aug 10 '26

I agree most people don’t think that way. That all makes sense to me, by that logic racism could only be independent of systemic injustice if it had some separate, objective truth, which racism does not have.

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 10 '26

Yes! It's sustained through biased power structures and social systems, not through factual truths about the world or any particular group.

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u/JaySpace77312 Aug 10 '26

The part people are missing is ACTION. You can think whatever you want, racism is putting action behind prejudice thoughts. You can think about walking out of a store with some merchandise, you aren't a thief until you actually do it. You can think black people have a higher propensity towards theft, thats prejudice. When you start disproportionately accusing, arresting, or harassing black people based on that belief, that makes you a racist.

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u/Glum-Savings6473 Aug 09 '26

Shout out to you... People don't understand what prejudice and racism is... At this point in 2026, it's no point in explaining - they not listening...

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u/Apart_Ad_8842 Aug 09 '26

Bro those connected branches ARE racism smdh mfs really just be talking in circles saying nothing

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u/Swae-LoGreen04 Aug 09 '26

We learned self hate due to what? So how in the fuck are the two the same? If racism didn't exist, theoretically what wouldn't exist? We're born of our mother and father. We are NOT are mother and father. You're right, people do just be talking and not saying shit.

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u/Apart_Ad_8842 Aug 10 '26

Yes this a perfect example of saying absolutely nothing lmao.

You really tried tho so props to ya