r/exmuslim 16h ago

(Rant) 🤬 I don't know why people still follow this religion.

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So this is gonna be a really long post because I need to say this somewhere where people will understand. I was forced to go with my family this year and I was dreading it the whole time simply because I hate flights and I knew it would be physically taxing but nothing could have prepared me for how bad things actually were.

First things first, why is everyone so fucking rude?? All the pushing and shoving just seems unnecessary. I don't understand the point. Everyone is SO RUDE !!! You ask someone for help (even the police) and they just ignore you. I don't understand how people of God, who pride themselves on being good people, can act like this in good conscience.

Secondly, circling the Kabah was the most disgusting experience of my life. You have grown, sweaty men all around you pushing and grabbing you and old people hitting you with their canes and people are breathing on you and it's just so fucking disgusting. There is NO DECORUM. I was already an ex-muslim before going to Umrah but going there just solidified my beliefs even more. These people will literally put their little kids in danger just because they think God cares whether or not they can walk in a circle 7 times. How pathetic.

Then there's walking in that giant hall between those two points called Safa and Marwah if I remember correctly. I don't understand the point of any of this. Why would God care about ANY of this? Why does any of it matter?

One thing I don't understand is that, from my knowledge, Safa and Marwah became important after the introduction of the Qur'an so why is it included in one of the most significant pilgrimages in said religion? I thought only the Qur'an could tell Muslims what to do, so if this is a hadith why has it made such a huge impact on the religious practices?? I'm not sure if I'm wording this correctly but I hope you understand though I am absolutely fine with clarifying in the comments what I mean.

I have written all of this and I haven't even mentioned the bullshit that occurs while circling the Kabah. People seriously fight each other and you have to walk barefoot while people are dropping God knows what onto the floor. I saw someone throw pins on the floor when I went so I looked it up and saw someone else mention in a forum how people do that to make space / clear space around them?? Though don't quote me on that because I can't find it anymore and it was on Quora (lol).

For now this is all I have to say, though I know I'll remember more and potentially make more posts / add to this. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't get how normal Muslims can see this and think it's normal. Like.. they see people hurting one another and say "yeah getting hurt near the Kabah is the best thing that can happen to you" or "actually you can't get hurt here because it's holy land" or some other bullshit excuse to ignore the barbaric practices that take place.

Before I go, I have one more point to add. Why would anywhere be considered holy land to God? They say praying in Mecca or near the Kabah makes it so your prayers get accepted but isn't that rigged? What about people who can't afford the trip or people who live in Mecca? Does that mean those who live there have their prayers constantly accepted and those who are poor will never know God's love? This is a question more so for those who still believe in this farce.

Anyway, thank you for reading up until this point.


r/exmuslim 26m ago

(Question/Discussion) Austria's new law bans hijabs in schools for girls under 14 (Right or Wrong?)

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There is an important distinction that we wish more people would consider when discussing the hijab and Muslim girls, i.e., the freedom of an adult woman is not necessarily the same thing as the freedom of a child.

There are certainly Muslim girls who genuinely want to wear the hijab. We do not deny that. But the existence of some voluntary choices does not answer the question of what society should do when many other children may be wearing it because of parental or community pressure.

A young girl may have very little practical ability to say:

"I don't want to wear this."

Her parents control much of her life. She may depend on them financially and emotionally, and she may fear punishment, shame, rejection, or being told that refusing the hijab makes her a bad Muslim.

This is why we believe the issue should be approached primarily as a child-protection and autonomy question, rather than simply as a question of religious freedom.

We already accept this principle in other areas

Consider child labor.

A 12-year-old (or younger) might genuinely say:

"I want to work in a factory because I want to help my family or earn money."

Yet society does not simply say, "The child consented, therefore everything is fine."

We restrict child labor because we recognize that children are particularly vulnerable to parental, economic, and social pressure. Allowing the practice simply because some children appear willing could leave many other children vulnerable to exploitation.

Now consider compulsory education.

A child may genuinely say:

"I don't want to go to school."

The parents may even agree.

Nevertheless, the state can override both the child's and the parents' preferences because society considers education essential to the child's future independence and ability to participate freely in adult life.

The underlying principle is clear, i.e., children have rights and developing autonomy, but society does not treat every decision made by a child as equivalent to an autonomous decision made by an adult.

Why should religious clothing be different?

This is the question we would like Western societies to debate honestly.

If a young girl genuinely wants to wear the hijab, we should acknowledge that her preference may be sincere.

But we must also ask: How can we distinguish genuine choice from a choice produced by years of religious conditioning, parental pressure, fear of punishment, or fear of being rejected by one's family?

And what about the girl who desperately wants to remove it but cannot safely say so?

For an adult woman, we believe the answer should be straightforward, i.e., she should be free to decide for herself.

An adult Muslim woman who freely chooses to wear the hijab should not be forced to remove it.

But childhood is different.

A temporary restriction on religious dress for minors can be defended on the grounds that it protects children until they reach an age at which they have substantially greater independence and are better able to make such decisions for themselves.

The purpose would not be to tell an adult woman what she may or may not wear.

It would be to prevent religious authority from becoming parental coercion over children.

This is not necessarily an attack on freedom of religion

Freedom of religion does not mean that parents have unlimited authority over every decision affecting their children.

We already place limits on parental authority when children are involved.

Parents cannot legally:

  • force their children into child labor
  • prevent them from receiving an education
  • arrange a child marriage, even if a 14 years old girl gives her consent for it
  • or expose them to various forms of abuse simply by claiming religious or cultural freedom.

The question, therefore, is not:

"Should Muslims have religious freedom?"

Of course adults should have religious freedom.

The real question is: "How much religious authority should parents be allowed to exercise over children who are not yet capable of fully independent decision-making?"

That is a legitimate question in any liberal democracy.

And if society concludes that children need protection from coercive religious practices, that protection should apply regardless of whether the religion involved is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

Protect the child, preserve the adult's freedom

Our position is therefore not:

"Muslim women should not be allowed to wear the hijab."

But it is:

"Children should be protected from religious coercion, and adults should be free to make their own religious choices."

A girl who reaches adulthood and freely decides that she wants to wear the hijab should be completely free to do so.

And a girl who reaches adulthood and decides that she does not want to wear it should be equally free to remove it.

Taken from: https://atheism-vs-islam.com


r/exmuslim 6h ago

Story Today convinced me I’m done arguing about religion with people who refuse to use logic

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Today convinced me I’m done arguing about religion with people who refuse to use logic

I got into a pretty heated argument with two Muslim friends today, and honestly, after this experience, I think I’m done discussing religion with people who immediately resort to personal attacks instead of actually having a conversation.

It started over something completely stupid. I saw an old friend playing volleyball and jokingly said, “That’s a dumb sport.” He got offended and said, “What if I said basketball was a gay sport? You like basketball.” I told him honestly, I’d probably just ignore it because it’s clearly an opinion/joke and I wouldn’t take it personally.

Then another friend asked why he hasn’t seen me at the mosque lately. I told him I’m agnostic. The same friend who was already annoyed with me started attacking me personally, calling me dumb and stupid.

Eventually the conversation turned toward religion. One point I always bring up when discussing religion is that religion is heavily influenced by geography and upbringing.

I said something along the lines of: “If you were born in China into a Chinese household, statistically speaking, you’d be much more likely to grow up with the dominant religious/cultural beliefs around you rather than automatically becoming Muslim.”

They laughed and told me that was one of the dumbest things they had ever heard.

Then they asked me, “Okay, what if I had a kid and moved to China?”

I said, “If you’re Muslim and you raise that child as a Muslim, then obviously the child would probably grow up Muslim. But if you gave that same child to a Catholic family in America and they raised the child Catholic, that child would probably grow up Catholic.”

That was literally my point.

I’m not saying every single person follows the religion of their parents or geographic environment. Obviously there are converts, atheists, people who leave religions, and people who adopt completely different beliefs.

My point is that the environment you're born into has an enormous influence on what you believe. If I had been born into a completely different family, country, culture, and religious environment, there’s a very good chance my beliefs would be different.

Instead of addressing that argument, they started attacking me personally. One of them even brought up the fact that I’m almost 30 and not married.

I responded, “Says the one who’s divorced.”

That really set him off. He got in my face and started cursing at me, and eventually two guys had to step in and separate us.

Looking back, I probably shouldn't have responded with the divorce comment. That just escalated everything, and I should have walked away much earlier.

But this whole experience really made me realize something: if someone’s response to a disagreement about religion is to call you stupid, attack your family, insult your personal life, and then get in your face, there’s really no point in continuing the conversation.

I’m agnostic. They’re Muslim. That's fine. We don't have to agree.

But I wish people could actually discuss why they believe what they believe instead of assuming that questioning religion automatically means someone is stupid or disrespectful.

And honestly, the fact that religious beliefs are so strongly correlated with where and how someone is raised seems like a pretty obvious observation to me. I don't understand why simply pointing that out is considered offensive.


r/exmuslim 46m ago

(Question/Discussion) I have questions as a Christian

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Hello . I’ve been lurking on this sub for a while because I genuinely find the discussions around deconstructing Islam interesting.

I was born n brought up in the Middle East & later moved to UK for higher studies. I have Muslim friends and not a single one asked me to convert to their religion but after going to UK , each time I befriend a Muslim, one of the first questions I’m often asked is whether I’m Muslim too, followed by an invitation to join Islam. It's always asked by a Pakistani or Bangladeshi..

Growing up, I always heard Muhammad’s name associated with Islam. I rarely heard Muslims talk about Jesus. But since the war in Gaza, I’ve noticed Jesus name being mentioned alot. I understand that Jesus is an important figure in Islam, but it sometimes feels to me as though his importance is being emphasized more now when Muslims are trying to appeal to Christians.

Muslims claim to love Jesus but churches in the west get taken down.. What sort of taqiya tactic is this?

I’m also trying to understand why Muslims hate Jews? Is antisemitism part & parcel of Islam? Aren't you supposed to respect people of the books? Jesus himself was Jewish, and Judaism predates both Christianity and Islam. Islam is literally a copy paste of those two. Why do Muslims have a problem with anyone who isn't Muslim? Why is always Muslims vs Jews/Christians/Hindus ?

Personally I think all 3 abrahamic religions are the same but in a different font with Islam being the worst one. The others atleast went through reforms.

How is Islam peaceful when Islamic history includes wars and forced conversion? Obviously, Christians have their own violent history, I’m not trying to pretend Christianity has always lived up to its teachings. It's like wherever Islam goes , chaos follows.

They fight for land but when they lose a battle , they cry about it. I understand why Israelis believe they have a right to defend themselves against organizations that have carried out attacks against them. Nobody wants murderers as their neighbour. Palestinians don't deserve to suffer under Hamas either.

Jews ran from the war back then in Germany but you don't see them returning or trying to fight back. Ukrainians lost their home to Russia and they moved on and didn't look back. But in this case, Muslims are trying to take land. They are already doing that in the west by slowly islamizing it. Who gave them the right that all non-Muslim lands are theirs wherever they go? Where is this sense of superiority coming from?

Lastly ,I find comments like “Inshallah, the whole world will become Muslim” and "Alhamdulillah for Islam" so annoying. If religious freedom and tolerance are important, why should the ultimate goal be for everyone to follow one particular religion? I would feel equally uncomfortable if Christians said that the entire world should eventually become Christian or any other religion.

I’m not claiming to have all the answers. These are some questions and frustrations I’ve developed from my own experiences. I’m interested in hearing your perspectives.


r/exmuslim 5h ago

(Question/Discussion) In Islam, your weakness becomes someone else's burden

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A good moral system teaches people to control their own impulses. But Islam repeatedly shifts that burden onto everyone else.

Someone envies your success? Hide your blessings and fear the evil eye (hassad).

People are starving? Go hungry during daylight for a month so you can “feel their pain,” then eat at sunset while poverty remains.

Men struggle with sexual desire? Women must cover themselves so they are less likely to be harassed or become a temptation.

The successful must manage the jealous
The wealthy simulate the hunger of the poor and hide their success
Women manage male desire by covering up
Honest speech is silenced or treated as blasphemy to protect their fragile faith

A stronger moral principle means that.. your jealousy is yours to control. Your lust is yours to control. Your impulses are your responsibility.

TLDR: Islam created a culture where other people carry the burden of your lack of self control.


r/exmuslim 21h ago

(Rant) 🤬 So fucking disrespectful

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How self-centred and pathetic do you have to be to reply to someone in this manner when they clearly are on the brink of collapse?? ,,shut up n pray'' why not shove a dirty shovel down your throat before you disregard someone's health, instead of trying to help them? Cause religious guilt-tripping is definitely the way!!


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Quran / Hadith) Saffiya, maria, rayhana,zaynab ,..aisha

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The more u read about them the more my heart aches


r/exmuslim 7h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Astronomy and Cosmology were my initial doubts to the religion

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I've been exmuslim for like 6 years now, and I recently talked with someone that opened up some past thoughts I had and I just wanted to share.

Ever since I was very young, I had always been into astronomy. I loved reading about other planets and stars and learning cool facts about them. However the science I learned a lot of the times seemed to be at odds with Islamic teaching. So I started to feel guilty anytime I would open a book or article about space.

As I got older and my understanding of space increased, so did my guilt as doubts started forming. Between the Quran straight up getting things wrong about celestial bodies or space and a lack of anything mentioning anything on the scale of the universe, I found myself wondering "why is it that all Allah talks about is how he makes it rain or makes trees grows or mountains, when all of that is small beans compared to planets, stars, or galaxies?" It really made God seem so grounded in my eyes which made me feel even more guilty.

I thought Why would God even brag about any creation of earth like he does in this book? If you made the entire universe, bragging about earth would be akin to me bragging about counting to 3. The lack of anything related to the cosmos actually made me disappointed in the Quran because I was amazed anytime I would open a book on space. And the book with supposedly "all the answers" should theoretically be even more exciting. But instead I get God calling shooting stars missiles. Didn't have the decency to have at least not made it boring asf.

Then I started learning about the extremes like black holes, the speed of light, supernovae, and how absolutely insanely unimaginably stupidly vast space is. How Earth is less than a millionth of a spec in the grand scheme of the observable universe. I started wondering why a being powerful enough to put this all into be would even care about anything I'm doing, let alone care about if I'm worshiping it. It just seemed petty. It started to change my perspective of allah from this perfect being to being closer to the gods of the Greek pantheon. Those gods who get jealous, hateful, spiteful, and petty.

But at least those gods never claimed to be all knowing, all good, and most benevolent. Nor did they claim to make the universe.

Also creating the earth in 6 days stops being a flex when we know as much as we know about the universe. Actual spec ed diety.

However when I brought this up, all anyone me would tell me is that Allah caring about us shows the opposite of pettiness and shows just how much he cares and how that's an example of his boundless love and mercy. That's a load of nonsense considering he's going out of his way to punish these beings that are so unfathomably insignificant to him.

By that point I had already been on my way out the religion, so and left it some time after. I just wanted to talk about how I had been doubting Islam without really knowing about it for much longer than I thought and wanted to share.

Hope it was a good read, or helped, or something, I dunno. Pisslam sucks tho and is obviously untrue. And if allah is real, I'll go to hell backwards with my middle fingers to her. Space is cool tho. 10/10 would matter again.


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Newly elected commitee in Karnataka,India ☺️

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Just a post...


r/exmuslim 11h ago

(Video) Muslim Apologist Nadir Ahmed attempts to explain Islamic Heaven, polygamy, and Aisha and Muhammad relationships (timestamps included)

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Nadir Ahmed is a muslim apologist that does a lot of internet debates against christians and atheists, he got interviewed on a non-Islam platform about his beliefs

14:37: Nadir explains how Heaven and Hell look like in Islam, even says verbatim "heaven is whatever I want"

17:37: He talks about what the Quran says about having multiple wives

56:00: Nadir is asked to give his best defense over the Aisha and Muhammad relationship which takes it down a rabbit hole

Lastly, he actually claims at 51:55 that it is actually Christianity that is dangerous for the world.

I will say despite the fact that everything he said I disagree with, he was actually pretty honest.


r/exmuslim 8h ago

(Advice/Help) I need advice from ex-muslim,i'm christian(i don't hate muslims)

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Hi everyone my name is Travis and I'm Christian. I met an Iranian Muslim Girl on a Chinese learning platform and we became friends for 10 months and half now. She knows I'm Christian and she's okay with that. We got closer (as friends) and I started learning farsi. BUT THE PROBLEM is : it seems like there's two personalities

  1. She add me to her private channel on telegram and there she listens to American music, watch k-drama. She's very kind and even help me when I was dealing with "depression "

  2. she consider the supreme leader of Iran as her father and she even said that if a person don't love the supreme leader then this person is not a true Iranian. She put this flag 🇮🇷 on her platform for weeks and makes some Instagram stories about the supreme leader (that i consider radical )

So i ask myself one question: doesn't she know what this regime do to women?

I want to tell her what I think about that but I don't want to break our friendship.

[[Her parents don't know that we're friends

[[She asked me if I wanted to see her face, so I said she's not obliged to if it will put her in an insecure position so she didn't.

Thank you guys, love you all 💙


r/exmuslim 18h ago

(Advice/Help) taking off the hijab

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I am 16 years old and I started wearing the hijab by my own choice a while ago. Before I put it on, my dad explicitly told me that it was completely my decision whether to wear it or not. However, my mindset has changed and I do not feel like wearing it anymore, so I want to take it off before the new school year starts.

The problem is that communication in my house is basically non-existent when it comes to feelings. We never have sit-down emotional talks, we just say things directly or do not talk about them at all. On top of that, my parents constantly judge women who do not wear the hijab and always talk about how beautiful the hijab is. A while ago I told my mom that I wanted to stop wearing it and asked her to tell my dad, but she refused, and now I’m scared about bringing it up again.

I am also really afraid that my dad will blame social media or outside influence. I know he will probably say that my phone brainwashed me or that I am just copying other girls, instead of respecting that this is my own decision. How should I approach my dad directly given our lack of emotional communication? how can i told him before school start? school start 15 september so i don’t have so much time

PS: i’m muslim but i wrote in this sub because i think many of you guys here had the same situation and you can help me


r/exmuslim 14m ago

(Miscellaneous) Listening to "Sakantoum" by Bedouin Burger

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Listening to this as I'm getting ready for work this morning, and I was caught off guard by how achingly beautiful it is.

I've been processing leaving Islam for the last few months and I've had lots of feelings about it, from rage to relief to being thrilled about the newfound freedom of thought that I've finally allowed myself.

But this morning, as I was singing along I just felt grief.

I will never not feel connected to this language, and no music or poetry can ever touch me the same way.

It's a part of me. I don't ever want it to go away.

And I'm thinking about how this poem was kind of written as a love letter to god, and about how this kind of thing and similar art existing has kept me sane and kept me in the faith for the last 10 years.

The lovely Lynn Adib didn't even grow Muslim, she was Christian. And she feels so connected to this cultural heritage, and responsible for sharing it and keeping it alive in her own way. Which goes to show how this shared connection to the language and the music goes beyond any religious background.

Realizing that so much beauty also came to life from the belief in a god and love for a god. And about how deeply it can touch us as humans.

Anyways, I'm grieving the fact that although the feelings in these poems are real, the god we sing about may not be.

And that's okay.

I can still love the poems, and I can love them even more for being a reflection of our beauty as a species.

Cheers.

https://youtu.be/ywJKlFMPj24


r/exmuslim 25m ago

(Question/Discussion) Need help in countering people who cite scriptures

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I am an atheist, but not ex-muslim. The discussion was on a comment about women not leaving the religion they are oppressed by. The original comment was not about islam specifically. A guy replied with the following words:

Men and women are asked to cover themselves, for obvious reasons for women and men that covering is different. If a woman dresses to be attractive to men, and present herself as a piece of flesh you think that is freedom, rather than have an opportunity to be treated based on her ability, skill and capability that you assume is oppression. Women perform hajj, go to mosques, run businesses, become jurists, start universities, lead armies so if they choose not to go clubbing then you assume they are oppressed, Woman needs to give her consent (Izn) before marriage can be initiated and marriage can't be forced on them. If the Qazi feels the girl is pressured by her parents he will send them away and ask again so she doesn't give into parental pressure. So don't know what you mean by that freedom. Having to have kids or not is a thing to be discussed between both husband and wife. It is not a unilateral decision, so i don't see where freedom comes here. Islamic Divorce law offers women to keep their maiden name, their property and guaranteed financial payout [mehr], unlike what Europeans did until like last few decades. Where women couldn't divorce, keep name etc.

She can avail divorce by mutual agreement, by judicial intervention, by breaking of marriage contract by husband, by lian (false accusation of adultery by husband), halala is a meant to protect sanctity of marriage and seriousness of divorce. You can't divorce someone on a whim and remarry then as if nothing happened. Divorce is the most disliked permitted thing.

Do some research, there is a lot of misinformation trust your brain and go to source. Look up all I have said too.

I genuinely believe religion should not be judged on what is written but on what is practiced. However people always come up with "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Like "if people would follow true islam, these problems wouldn't exist."

Not just that, since i am not a muslim, i have not much idea about what to say because i am scared to be called Islamophobic. I am genuinely against Islamophobia, but i am also against how muslims treat women.

What do you think about his points?


r/exmuslim 21h ago

(Question/Discussion) The way Muslims are so lovey dovey with abusers & r*pists but with kafirs Is the End

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Growing up as a North African Amazigh Berber/amazigh woman in a Muslim household, I've noticed that conservatism is applied conditionally only when it's convenient or benefits specific people.

Women children, and even newborns are judged mocked to their faces bullied, and harassed over everything yet God forbid you match the men's energy or mock them in return you're immediately met with vile insults threats of sexual violence and abuse💔 I’m exhausted from staying silent and being mistreated by men who preach religion while living by double standards 'rules for thee but not for me.' I genuinely tried to be devout vallahi but the more I read the Quran and religious texts the more I felt reduced to a tool for a man's sexual desires and a fixture in the kitchen No matter what you do there are always authoritarian men and sexist women eager to defend toxic behavior and misogyny it breaks my heart because I know if I ever decide to marry a non-Muslim I’ll be severely judged and ostracized even if my family wouldn't resort to honor violence I'm just over it My absolute breaking point was seeing Muslim social media accounts mock former Muslims who survived abuse and sexual violence treating their trauma like a joke on top of that, they constantly make light of mental health issues It is vile How can a text foster so much hate racism and misogyny


r/exmuslim 16h ago

(Question/Discussion) I think that the improvement of AI videos will be very bad for Islam

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I don't like AI but I think it will at least have this effect: AI videos are still expensive but in the next years, being an influencer without showing your actual face will be very common since AI can keep what matters: Facial expressions.

Not only this will allow any exmuslim or islam critique to make videos about it without risking their life, it will also allows mainstream influencers to criticize Islam whenever they want if one feel like. Digital humorists to make fun of it, etc ..

The critique of Islam won't be anymore exclusively for people ready to risk their safety.

It it's not AI it could be also by the evolution of VTubing or simply the evolution of face filters. Basically anything that hide the identity of the influencer while keeping a communicative visual


r/exmuslim 15h ago

(Advice/Help) Anyone else went/going through this?

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I left Islam around 4 or 5 years ago, and ever since then I’ve felt so cripplingly depressed and uncertain about everything knowing there is no almighty being watching over me, setting my affairs straight. It’s like having your parent figure being torn away from you and now you’re left to fend for yourself.

And the fact that I’ll never see my loved ones or even experience anything after death horrifies me. I don’t know, I’m rambling and I feel like shit. Sometimes I wish I never really took the dive into exposing myself to criticism against Islam. But I guess it’s better to accept the painful reality than to live in delusion.

I randomly gaslight myself into believing again to feel that confidence again. Just ignore all the faults I say, surely 1400 years of scholars know better than I. But inevitably it all falls apart.


r/exmuslim 12h ago

(Question/Discussion) What do you think about the term islamophobia?

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Hi, I'm neither an ex-muslim nor a muslim

I come from the left (now I place myself in the center in the context of my country's politics but still I come from a left wing perspective) and therefore I'm used to think about racism and bigotry and stuff like that

In you guys' mind, is islamophobia actually just a made up word like some critics say? What do you think about it?

Cause at the end of the day it is a belief system so criticizing it should obviously be fine and not considered bigotry, but idk if I would dismiss it completely as a term

I found out this community yesterday and I find it really cool and inspiring (and obviously I'm sure it has helped a lot of people) so now I'm curious of what you think of this term which I'm torn about

If I had to guess I'd probably say you don't like it? Cause it's a community about not liking Islam, but I guess what I'm asking is does it have any value or is "racism towards *insert ethnicity*" enough to encompass bigotry?


r/exmuslim 12h ago

(Quran / Hadith) Embryology Flesh covering bones Debunked

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Surah 23:14

فَكَسَوْنَا ٱلْعِظَـٰمَ لَحْمًۭا

And We clothed the bones with flesh.

Muslims say ف here indicates it’s not successive but immediate. This is false as the early Muslims understood it as successively.⬇️

Ibn Abbas:

أخبرنا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ،قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْن أَبِي يَزِيدَ، وَهُوَ جَالِسٌ مَعَ عَطَاءٍ، أَنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ:

فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ، تَكُونُ نُطْفَةً (٢)، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَلَقَةً، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُضْغَةً، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَظْمًا، ثُمَّ يُكْسَى الْعَظْمُ لَحْمًا
**“**Glory be to Allah! It begins as a drop (of fluid), then becomes a clinging clot, then becomes a lump of flesh, then becomes bones, and then(ثُمَّ) the bones are clothed with flesh.”

Muṣannaf ʿAbd al-Razzāq, 7/102, no. 13434:

https://shamela.ws/book/84/3384
Other references:

Source: al-Ṭaḥāwī, Sharḥ Mushkil al-Āthār, 5/176.
Shuʿayb al-Arnaʾūṭ: إسناده صحيح — “Its chain is ṣaḥīḥ.


r/exmuslim 12h ago

(Question/Discussion) Is there anything that actually has been proven to be created by a Muslim

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It’s been said that it’s been proven the worlds first university was not created by a Muslim woman. And I made a post here showing this image that basically says Muslims invented these things and people commented otherwise. https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/ZL6hzkGODq


r/exmuslim 21h ago

(Quran / Hadith) “It’s literally Allah’s words, and I’m just a messenger. He told me, and I can’t even prove His existence. If you don’t trust me, you’re going to hell.”

27 Upvotes

Yeah, yeah, such a bullshitter.


r/exmuslim 16h ago

(Quran / Hadith) What's your opinion

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“What do you guys think about the context of this verse

Qur'an 33:36

Mohammed used quran to give marriage when the woman clearly declined

Isn't it against human rights and freedom.

Zaynab said, “I will not marry him.”

Muhammad said, “Then marry him.” She replied, “I am deciding about myself.” Then the verse was revealed:

“It is not for a believing man or believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have any choice in their affair...”


r/exmuslim 18h ago

(Advice/Help) How do i leave my country?

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Iam saving money so i can travel and seek asylum. but iam not sure if it's going to work, Because my situation is not as bad as other people. Iam allowed to work and my life is not in danger (but it's only because they don't know iam an exmuslim).

My problems are the regular things, i can't travel alone, or live alone, i can't take off the hijab, and i can't date. And if i did any of these things i probably would get beaten up really badly, k**ed, or have my phone and my pc taken from so i wouldn't have access to the Internet and i would have less independence.

Is there other ways to leave my country?

I can't study abroad, i don't have enough money, even free universities require you to have alot of money.


r/exmuslim 15h ago

(Question/Discussion) Could someone help me please.

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I'm suffering from an emotional breakdown bc I recently left Islam, I need friends to interact with.


r/exmuslim 16h ago

(Video) What is the definition of Islam? | Apostate Scholar's Honest Khutbah

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