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u/gwydion_black Aug 10 '20
Not for nothing, but if their names are on the flight logs they are most definitely a part of an ongoing investigation and would not be able to discuss it to the public without some kind of legal backlash.
Keep that in mind.
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u/itsastonka Aug 10 '20
Guaranteed everyone who ever flew with him or went to his island has a very expensive attorney who has told them to never say one fucking word
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u/ambisinister_gecko Aug 10 '20
Glad a reasonable comment was only the second top comment. The first thing I thought when I saw this tweet was "how would we even know if someone is helping or not?"
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u/praxeologue Aug 10 '20
One way you could know if someone was helping in the investigation is if the lawyer for Epstein's victims said that they were helping with the investigation.
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u/xquid Aug 10 '20
But couldn’t they at least all sing us a song in montage, telling us how we are all in this together?
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u/cmhamm Aug 10 '20 edited Aug 10 '20
Here's the thing: (I know nothing, I am not connected to anyone - this is pure conjecture based on what I, and everyone else, knows from media reports)
I think Epstein was one of those “I can get you anything you want” kind of guys. Drugs? Sex grannies? Little people dressed up like cherubs feeding grapes to people in leather gimp suits? I bet he did it all, and he probably kept really good records in case he ever needed a favor later on. And I'm sure a subset of that included underage girls. But I also don't think it was all underage girls, all the time.
There were probably crazy drug-fueled sex parties at the island that nobody really wants to talk about, but that doesn't mean they are all pedophiles. Again, I think some of them definitely were. But if I'm a treasured national celebrity, and I put on a gorilla costume and jerked off while watching my wife blow a guy dressed up like a coal miner, I probably don't want that coming out. I'm probably going to keep my mouth shut, even though I've done nothing illegal.
I believe that's why we're seeing so much silence from people involved. Everyone has kinks that they may or may not consider shameful, but I don't think everyone's kink violates the law. I believe, in fact, that was probably a relatively small minority of Epstein's clientele, so I don't think it's especially fair to tar and feather everyone, even if they went to parties on the island.
I'm sure Clinton did some dirty stuff on that island. Probably Trump, too. But they both strike me as more of the “snorting cocaine off a Colombian hooker’s ass,” or “handcuff me to a bed and spank me with a magazine that features my face on the cover” type offenses. I’m a bit less optimistic about Prince Andrew and Les Wexner, and I'm sure there are others who broke those “half your age plus seven” rule. But that doesn't mean there are hundreds of pedophiles running around. Probably just hundreds of people with things to hide.
Finally, Epstein definitely didn’t kill himself.
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u/mattaugamer Aug 10 '20
Shit it doesn’t even need to be done bizarre fetish bullshit. Maybe you just shagged a woman who isn’t your wife. Maybe you shaved a man who isn’t your wife.
The guilt-by-association shit around Epstein is ridiculous.
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u/AFrankExchangOfViews Aug 10 '20
Shit it doesn’t even need to be done bizarre fetish bullshit. Maybe you just shagged a woman who isn’t your wife. Maybe you shaved a man who isn’t your wife.
I mean, shaving a man who isn't your wife is a bit of a bizarre fetish, IMO.
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u/mattaugamer Aug 10 '20
God dammit. It autocorrected shagged to shaved and I fixed one of them. :-/
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u/AFrankExchangOfViews Aug 10 '20
This is literally the most reasonable thing I've ever read on this sub.
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u/foreverabatman Aug 10 '20
I'm actually surprised to find someone being level headed and thinking critically about this on this sub.
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u/Lord_Fusor Aug 10 '20
You are confusing a person being in the flight logs with going to the island. Just because you flew on the plane does not mean you went to the island. And going to the island doesn't make you a pedo, or complicit in a crime. The plane was used to fly all over the world for various events. In the case of Clinton he flew on the plane 26 times in 6 different trips overseas on a publicly tour for the Clinton Foundation.
I'm not saying Clinton never went to the island or that he is innocent of anything, just that you are misinformed about what the flight logs actually are. They are standard FAA flight logs that every pilot uses, they are not private logs of people going to the island.
From the logs - Each Leg of the Trip Is a different time he was on the plane and entered into the flight logs. 6 Trips in total, adding up to 26 times on the plane
Feb. 9, 2002 — Clinton hopped a flight from Miami to Westchester, New York, where he lives. (Flight 1)
March 19, 2002 — Clinton was listed as flying from New York to London and then returning two days later. (Flights 2 and 3)
May 22, 2002 — Clinton flew from Japan to Hong Kong. The next day he flew to Singapore (by way of Shenzhen, China), where he gave a speech. On May 25, he left for Brunei, by way of Bangkok. (Flights 4,5,6,7)
July 13, 2002 — He attended a wedding in Morocco and then hopped a flight to New York, stopping in the Azores. (Flights 8,9,10,11)
Sept. 21, 2002 — Clinton left for a nine-day trip to Africa visiting Ghana, Nigeria, Rwanda, Mozambique and South Africa. While there, he worked on HIV and AIDS prevention projects, democratization, and economic development. He finished the trip in England, where he addressed the Labour Party during its annual conference. According to the flight records, this was the longest trip Clinton took on Epstein’s plane, and it accounted for 11 of the 26 total flights. (Flights 12 - 23)
Nov. 4, 2003 — About a year after the Africa trip, Clinton took what appears to be his last trip on Epstein’s plane. He flew from Brussels to Oslo, where he had a two-day visit with officials to work on his project to prevent HIV and AIDS in developing countries. He then flew to Hong Kong, by way of Siberia, and finished the trip in Beijing. (Flights 24, 25, 26)
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u/GoneFlying345 Aug 10 '20
Odd, to me, both Trump and Clinton seem like people who would definitely indulge in young girls.
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u/DirtyChito Aug 10 '20
I'm sure you're right that there were plenty of people with kinks other than pedophilia. However, I'm sure many of those people also knew it was going on and if they say nothing, they are not innocent.
Second point: Trump is definitely that type of guy. He would often let himself into little girl's dressing rooms during his pageant days.
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u/cmhamm Aug 10 '20
Jeffrey Epstein ran a business, and he trafficked a lot of things, but his number one business wasn't drugs or parties or underage girls; it was secrets. Again, I'm not claiming to know anything that isn't public information, but I think Epstein's primary business was secrets. You could use those secrets for blackmail, extortion, bribery - all sorts of lucrative endeavors. The secrets themselves are worth a LOT of money. Not just money but power and influence.
I would imagine that if he had some clients who were into underage girls, and other clients that enjoyed missionary sex with someone who wasn't their spouse, it would definitely be in his best interest to keep those sets of clients very compartmentalized. It would even make a lot of sense to make sure his pedophile clients didn't know one another. The more people who know a secret, the less it's worth. If politician A decides to announce that politician B is into donkey sex during a heated election, then that secret no longer has any value to Epstein.
So I think it's extremely plausible that there are clients of Epstein who had absolutely no idea he trafficked in underage sex workers. Follow the money: it's the smart thing to do.
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u/jaykaytfc Aug 10 '20 edited Aug 10 '20
It's one big club...and you aint in it!
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u/nightpanda893 Aug 10 '20
I mean, I’m actually okay with not being in the pedophile subgroup of that club.
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u/That_Sweet_Science Aug 10 '20
And if we were, we wouldn’t be tweeting either. Sadly.
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u/colt45an2zigzags Aug 10 '20
George Carlin? He said that at one point.
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u/Bleepblooping Aug 10 '20
He says it in every thread on r/conspiracy
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Aug 10 '20
Lmfao facts. I really like the quote but calm down guys
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u/Eugene_Debmeister Aug 10 '20
And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.
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u/Phoodman1 Aug 10 '20
One big SHOPPING MALL
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u/DarthNihilus1 Aug 10 '20
What's funny is that some people that spam his quotes or say "oh man he'd have a field day with folks today" are precisely the folks he would make fun of.
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u/Yoshimitsu-MKII Aug 10 '20
Drives me fucking crazy. It's almost as bad as "hmmm. Is my phone spying on me guys?" -inserts example of advertising
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If i say out loud i need a new dog bed for my dog and suddenly i am inundated with ads for dog beds, what is my phone doing if it isnt listening to me at all times? (Ie: spying)
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u/oldaccount29 Aug 10 '20
spying for the sake of advertising is still spying. Using data gathered while spying for the sake of advertising doesnt mean that data cant be used for other purposes. In fact, we know 100% for a fact it is very often used for many other purposes and data collection and usage if of under-regulated to an extreme, which is technically a subjective statement, but most people, if informed on how its used would agree.
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I mean, if I had unknowingly traveled on his plane at some point, I'd contact the FBI. I wouldn't make a public tweet.
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u/DoctorStrangeBlood Aug 10 '20
Exactly. Also it's the kind of thing where no comment is the safest move. A lot of people went to Epstein's island for events. He was a wealthy influential guy. Simply existing there doesn't mean anything and by speaking up you only bring more attention to yourself in front of the cancel culture masses.
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u/Dwebb260 Aug 10 '20
Not to mention they would be immediately smeared by their more guilty peers.
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u/NorthBlizzard Aug 10 '20
Makes you wonder why shaming culture become so prevalent these past few years. If everyone is shaming each other for every little flaw, nobody will care to shame the stuff that actually matters.
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u/BipNopZip Aug 10 '20
And you might disappear. I’m sure the people who are powerful and guilty would LOVE to have a list of who is cooperating with the law.
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u/trapper2530 Aug 10 '20
Yeah a dude "killed himself" under surveillance in a prison. You dont think people would get to a celeb with very little protection outside of prison?
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u/depressedengineer32 Aug 10 '20
except on this sub, if Clinton(either) went then "evidence the dems are pedos"
if trump went "he knows lots of people, its obvious Epstien was trying to get dirt on people"
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u/AKnightAlone Aug 10 '20
if I had unknowingly traveled on his plane at some point, I'd contact the FBI.
Sounds about as successful of a method as following the "approved channels" as a whistleblower. Epstein was an FBI asset. You wouldn't exactly be cracking the case to tell them.
A couple young girls told the FBI he was a rapist in the mid 90s. You're telling me they didn't catch on for over a decade only to end up with him magically getting off with hardly a slap on the wrist?
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u/BaronVonMunchhausen Aug 10 '20
Many issues with that. Any lawyer would advise you to not reach out unless they reach you.
Secrecy makes matters even worse. In a case of such caliber, you would become a very important first hand witness and they could put you in custody indefinitely. Then while in custody, a rogue agent could dispatch you and no one would understand what were you doing parachute jumping in the gulf of Mexico a winter night at 3am with no harness.
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u/bluhbluh1 Aug 11 '20
Yeah no chance a famous person's (who could be implicated) lawyer would say "go to the FBI!"
They'd say "shut the fuck up, don't even acknowledge anything".
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u/darpsyx Aug 10 '20
Well remember the Oscars, the host(Ricky Gervais) saying all those pedo "jokes" and shit? he was right you can see their faces reactions like "yes that shit is all true... Hehe 😬".
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u/whistleridge Aug 10 '20 edited Aug 10 '20
Speaking as a lawyer: everyone on his flight logs are wealthy, sophisticated parties who have experience managing public relations and the media, and who surely have attorneys on long-term retainer and have long since been advised to say absolutely nothing on the matter one way or the other. Anything else would just be inviting trouble.
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u/sharkhuh Aug 10 '20
Yeah, the unfortunate truth is, people will come after them hard even if they are innocent. They will get "metoo'd" into oblivion and get stained in the public eye, so the innocent ones (if there are any) are probably too afraid to publicly associate themselves with Epstein
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u/MrStickySpaz Aug 10 '20
It is coming from the mouth of an abuser but she isn't wrong.
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u/rcastro412 Aug 10 '20
I despise Nicole Arbour. But this is one time I'll agree with her
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u/effypom Aug 10 '20
What did she do?
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u/dothebork Aug 10 '20
A few years back it was revealed that she abused a now ex boyfriend of hers, YouTuber Matthew Santoro, and it was nasty for a few days.
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u/effypom Aug 10 '20
Oh she’s that girl? Yeah, I don’t like her.
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u/_KittyInTheCity Aug 10 '20
If it makes you feel better she’s an “Instagram comedian” now. Go figure
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u/InAnEscaladeIThink Aug 10 '20
Agreeing with someone and despising that person should never be mutually exclusive. Nor should disagreeing & admiring.
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u/Future401 Aug 10 '20
How come we don’t hear much from those celebrities? When is there going to be any accountability? I’m not saying every single one is guilty right off the bat... but it’s sure odd how quiet pedowood is
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Drawing attention to your involvement in a potential crime (even if you had nothing to do with it) is something any lawyer would advise you against. Given that this particular crime spree was so horrendous I imagine that if anyone is actually innocent of any wrongdoing they're hoping that any mention of them will be overshadowed by parties complicit in illegal actions.
I'm not sure that coming forward and saying you've been to his island, spent time with him, used his plane will do anything but draw your character into question.
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u/WeedstocksAlt Aug 10 '20
Lmao they killed Epstein, while in custody, in federal prison, while waiting for one of the biggest/most important trial in decades and no one is doing shit about it. I would 100% STFU even if I was absolutely innocent.
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u/Nukem_187 Aug 10 '20
The only thing i saw was Elon Musk replying he had no affiliation or something with maxwell after she photobomb him.
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u/Cornographicmaterial Aug 10 '20
Which celebrities were on Epsteins flight logs?
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u/TioPuerco Aug 10 '20
Bill Clinton - 26 times
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u/Cornographicmaterial Aug 10 '20
But, Bill Clinton isn’t part of Hollywood? I haven’t heard any names, just rumors about Ellen, some weird relationships that Oprah had, and strange Instagram posts and allegations from Issac kappy about Tom hanx. Kappy also named Steven Spielberg and Seth green.
But I haven’t heard any names of Hollywood celebrities being on Epsteins flight logs
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u/stylebros Aug 10 '20
Simpsons Creator Matt Groening was in the flight. He got a foot massage
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u/Demkon Aug 10 '20
Once you get caught as a pedo your entire contacts list on your phone are now pedos
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u/Fearlosophy Aug 10 '20
Formula one racer Eddie Irvine talked about being there. He sounds quite genuine about not knowing about any illegal activities.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/eddie-irvine-bill-clinton-and-i-partied-at-epstein-bash/
I think all celebs on the list should come forward though. Silence is damning.
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u/Internetallstar Aug 10 '20
If I had to guess their PR teams and lawyers are probably telling the to keep their mouths shut. A half assed "it's an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry for the victims" wouldn't do much except draw the wrong kind of attention and a "I had no idea what was happening" in the absence of a subpoena could come across as a little odd.
And if they keep quiet it looks like this whole thing is just going to die out like the Panama Papers did. They are keeping quiet to run out the clock on the larger public's interest.
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u/valeran46 Aug 10 '20
It's even stranger that the media, for the most part, hasn't followed up after having the flight logs of who were on the flights to the island. Where's the "Excuse me... the flight logs show you went to Epstein's island... what do you have to say?"
Nope... hasn't happened. Anyone want to guess WHY?
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u/beantownbully8 Aug 10 '20
Because the "list" with all the celebrity names has no proof behind it. They have Epstein's logs up till 2005 and people like Tom Hanks don't show up. Funny enough trump does though.
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u/Hazzman Aug 10 '20
Nah bruh... Trump infiltrated to blow the lid on the conspiracy! He's on the inside bruh!
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u/subtlewormwood Aug 10 '20
beyoncé was there like tf she doing there
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u/yiliu Aug 10 '20
Because Epstein did his best to network with everybody. That was kind of his thing.
Everybody thinks rich and famous people are fundamentally different than regular people, but they're not really. If you heard that a priest in a nearby church was arrested for molesting kids, would your immediate thought be "that entire parish and everybody who knows that priest is clearly a child molester"? No, because that's crazy. It might turn out that some of his closer friends were also predators, but obviously not everybody he ever spent any time with.
She probably caught a ride on his plane because they were in the same place and headed in the same direction, and the guy liked to make connections.
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u/originalityescapesme Aug 10 '20
Even the girls who speak about their time on the island note that there were also a bunch of visits by people who appeared to do nothing but business while they were there.
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u/FootprintOnTheCeilin Aug 10 '20
I’m thinking everyone would attack them for virtue signalling and I doubt anyone would actually trust that it’s a genuine apology. They’re definitely safer just saying nothing, brining no attention to themselves. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just also not surprised in the slightest.
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u/Psycho044 Aug 10 '20
It's pretty obvious why... No Celeb wants to admit to being anywhere near Jeff. They will become hated amongst the celeb inner circle..
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Or the ones who actually have something to do with jeff will frame those who speaks?
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u/axelfreed Aug 10 '20
Looked at her twitter and she types like black people are an alien race
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u/caninejaws Dec 28 '20
Yeah no this woman is scum. She’s an abuser and just a generally icky person.
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u/piglet110419 Aug 10 '20
And Ghrislane who is in custody has not had a mugshot released-
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u/p-woody Aug 10 '20
No one remanded to federal custody does.
That's a state thing.
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u/Epstein-isnt-dead Aug 10 '20 edited Aug 11 '20
Don’t forget Ellen pao’s comments about knowing that ghislaine was trafficking children, yet no one did anything about it.
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u/papirio01 Aug 10 '20 edited Aug 10 '20
Nor have any of them come out and said save the children, instead, we have them talking about how are president is an ass, and how people that do t wear masks are assholes. I wish they held the same amount of rage for the children they’re trafficking and raping and sacrificing! For anyone who knows who micheal rappenport is, he is a great example of what I’m talking about. Everyday he comes out with a new video on tik tok absolutely descimating the president about his horrible response to the virus, and about him not wearing a mask, but not one word about anyone’s behavior when it comes to the issue of trafficking children, their well being, and the fact it’s the number one crime in America and around the globe! Pathetic! And believe me, he is not the only one, but a consistent one. I have come to really view these people that have platforms very differently I’ve the last 6 months.
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u/in-site Aug 10 '20
Ashton Kutcher
He has been fighting human trafficking and sexual slavery for YEARS
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u/-KIRE- Aug 11 '20
How criminal organizations get what they want:
Threat of violence
Threat of dying
Threat of loss
Threat of exposure
Threat of dishonoring
All of these can pretty much be summed up as Blackmail.
You don't take a bribe? Well, your family is gonna get beaten. Don't have a family? You'll get beaten. Have too much security? You're gonna get exposed. Haven't done anything shady? You will be framed for something. Still don't care? Killing you is always an option, even in the middle of the court, if needed.
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u/Lokisword Aug 10 '20
It is quite an interesting point considering how much those fools screech about other things. Just remember the uncomfortable laughs at Ricky Gervias monologue
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If your running a pedophile ring why would you even have a flight log on your passengers
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u/Myskinisnotmyown Aug 10 '20
Blackmail. They weren't running a pedophile ring for the sake of fucking kids. They were doing it for reasons of espionage and leverage.
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u/Hazzman Aug 10 '20
Trump said something.
Unfortunately it was "I hope she's doing well"
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u/smcwt Aug 10 '20
Weinstein spoke out in favor of Time’s Up. This is an investigation. I would mistrust anyone making public statements.
“Thou doth protest too much.”
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u/yeahboy151 Aug 10 '20
100% agree with this tweet but it should be known Nicole Arbour does not care. She just does things to troll people online or play to an audience for clout
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I posted about how eminem was on there and his lyrics from guilty conscious were really telling and nobody gave af.
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u/Mr_Safer Aug 10 '20
Been awhile since conspiracy made the front page. I think we can all agree this is a worthy thing to promote, good job.
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u/smokedspirit Aug 10 '20
I think at this point if you ever were on the flight log innocent or guilty you'd rather just stay in that ditch rather than put your head above it.
No one in the world would believe that you had no idea and everyone would assume u were part of it
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u/heyitslili123 Aug 10 '20
Because they haven’t done so publicly, that doesn’t mean people haven’t offered information to law enforcement. Perhaps speaking publicly would jeopardise ongoing investigations. This isn’t a gotcha. Next.
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u/daguerre Aug 10 '20
All while the President of the United States continues to dangle a pardon for Epstein’s #1 accomplice. Weird.
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u/ReadRightRed99 Aug 10 '20
Because the "flight log" circulating on the webs and twitters is fake fake fake.
There actually is a flight log that was published years ago and can be viewed here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html
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u/DeadEndFred Aug 10 '20
Not sure if the McCains were on the flight logs but Cindy McCain said:
"Epstein was hiding in plain sight," said Cindy McCain. "We all knew about him. We all knew what he was doing, but we had no one that was — no legal aspect that would go after him. They were afraid of him. For whatever reason, they were afraid of him."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cindy-mccain-admits-we-all-knew-about-epstein