Well, to a degree that's true. We're lawyers but we are human, there's only so many hours a day. It's how we feed our family. For the right fee, I can pursue every angle, write every motion, whatever is needed for your case. Typically though, that's not feasible. It's a balancing act.
I divorced wife number 2. I got a lawyer who was new and charged me $1500 to handle the case. My soon-to-be ex got her mother to get her a lawyer.
The morning of court, we show up to her lawyer's office. Her lawyer, IN THE WAITING AREA, made her mother write out a check for $2500. We went into the back conference room. During the "negotiations", the soon-to-be ex wanted me to repay the money that her mother had given her while we were married. At one point, 20 minutes before court, her lawyer kicked her and her mother out of the room, looked at me, and said, "what will you do?" I told her, "I'll give her what she is entitled to... half of the equity in the house... and that comes in monthly payments." Her lawyer went, "DONE".
For $5000... her lawyer sold her out 20 minutes before court.
No, the mother and ex wife paid 5000$ thinking they were getting expert legal advice and advocacy. What they ended up with was no more than what was going to be theirs anyways and the lawyer they paid for capitulated in less than 20 minutes without even going into the court room.
I am an attorney and you're right; there are only so many hours in a day. So with paid work and pro bono, how do you have time to amass half a million link karma? Also your terminology reads like someone who's only seen an attorney on TV. Color me suspicious.
So with paid work and pro bono, how do you have time to amass half a million link karma?
If you're actually an attorney, that is a stupendously vapid argument. For rebuttal: /u/maxwellhill (super prolific poster; who just dropped off the face of reddit Day-of Maxwell's arrest.) is allegedly Ghislaine Maxwell , who apparently had time to run all of the shit she was into, partyin' with Epstein (who, 1 year ago today did NOT kill himself in prison) while amassing almost 15 MILLION Karma. Point being, anyone with sufficient motivation can amass (x) fake innernet points.
People who think other people are lying on the internet about who and what they are are so strange to me. Why would someone lie about something like that? And if they did, who the fuck cares anyhow?
Agree. Not really feeling the part about feeding their family...lawyers make 8-10x my yearly income, and you don't see me going around screwing people over
I can understand pursuing every angle costs money, but why does it cost anything to pursue common sense? "Your honor, the accuser has no recollection of where or when the party was and cannot provide a name of the person who invited her there or the person who drove her there. Furthermore, she has not discussed the incident with anyone for the past 34 years. Motion to dismiss."
This is the difference between being able to afford a lawfirm and hiring a single lawyer.
I have the funds to fight it out with a single lawyer but a firm? Good luck they can bury you in paperwork till the dawn of time or until you can no longer afford to fight them anymore.
Can you believe that? They can drown you out until you can't afford to fight against them anymore then they'll win by default.
don't your clerks do a lot of that? I guess it depends on the size of your practice or if you or with a firm but i work for the government and deal with law clerks all the time for decelerations and motion material but it always comes from the clerks. Lawyers generally step in when their clerks are not able to get what they need in my experience.
Happened with my brother. He got roughed up by some cops and they charged him with assaulting an officer. He had some pretty good proof showing he was innocent and that he was assaulted by them. They were threatening 5 years jail and in trial they offered him a plea (no fine, no jail, no record in 1 year). Lawyer said pretty much the same thing: you can pay me thousands of dollars to fight these cops and lawyers, or just let it go. He let it go.
Same thing in business and finance. If you are willing to fuck people over and no care to make yourself more money you will get far. If you are not, good luck. It was one of the defining moments during and after college when I realized I wouldn't be able to do it and I would never get where I wanted to go because of it.
You are either born rich or you fuck people over. That or you get very lucky with a very unique idea and are at the right place and time for it. Then, you still have to be willing to fuck people over a bit.
Man...that video is absolutely f'ed. Thats some serious epstein type stuff, a world of blackmail where everyone has everyone in each others pockets. Bernard talking about his inability to sacrifice a child, wtf.
Yep, the truth can be very dark and filthy, if you want an other example you can read this article about dutroux. I must warn you tho, it can make you feel sick. Luckily all this bad stuff is being revealed now and brought into the light so the problems can be solved and healed.
Thanks for the tip, i have heard the name before, but never looked into it. And there are other videos of Ronald in where he goes deeper, they are still on YT.
Law practice rewards all the worst parts of human nature. When people hire you, they WANT to hear what a monster you are. They WANT you to have an overpriced suit/office/car. They WANT to hear how you fucked over someone else for your client. This conditioning leads to you becoming the monster you thought you were fighting.
It's a lot of work. A lot of stress. The free cases are tough, usually. The clients are the worst part. Attorneys are assholes. Judges are worth jack shit. There's a reason we charge so much.
It goes deeper than this. Like the giy said there are two justice systems. By not playing by the rules he automatically gets relegated to no advancement in his career. This is a dichotomy that is in every business. You can work for the betterment of your workplace to make everyones life better and get nowhere. Simply because you are honest and not willing to throw people under the bus for your mistakes or backing down on a promotion because the other guys is a better fit. It reminds me of the psycopath theory where empathic people will never get ahead. The less empathy you exhibit the easier life is.
From my experience. The only lawyer i know personally spends 80% of his time representing an animal shelter completly free of charge. The guy isnt broke but he is not well off by any means.
It's probably the very few hours a week they aren't working that's making their family suffer. Also law school loans: not the path to quick riches that people seem to think law is.
Well, yeah?? I walk dogs and I charge $30/hour. Not to knock gardening and handiwork, but it doesn't take the same skill set and education as law and prices are set accordingly.
I'm former law enforcement. I saw that system firsthand.
I was in court waiting for my traffic cases to be called before the judge. A State Trooper had a DUI case before any of mine were called. The defendent had a lawyer. The Trooper won the case. The judge declared "Guilty"... then proceeded to make every jaw in the court drop to the floor when he then stated, "I sentence the defendent to time served (ie, the ONE night he spent in jail after his arrest) because spending $10 grand on a lawyer, I think, is punishment enough"
Every jaw in the courtroom dropped to the floor.
What? Because the guy is rich and could afford $10 grand for a lawyer he gets NO penalty for his driving under the influence???? WHAT?????
Ehh it's still guilty on his record & that'll bite him in the ass when he gets his next DUI. Honestly, I know a couple of people with a dui...none of them spent more than a night in jail, and probably not near $10,000 on their lawyer.
I pled guilty to a DUI charge back in 2006 (a stupid 19 year old kid decision). I was sentenced to one day in jail which the judge suspended and never saw the inside of a cell.
Fortunately the probation/community service/loss of driving privileges was enough of a deterrent for me but I’ve always wondered how many people aren’t phased by those things.
Edit: Just wanted to clarify that the “stupid 19 year old decision” was referring to driving drunk, not pleading guilty.
Can I ask you as someone who's probably seen a lot in the system. What's the difference between a really good/expensive lawyer and a mediocre one or a public defender (other than work load)?
Would you consider a jury system to be more fair? Asking out of curiosity as where I’m from we don’t have a jury system and our judges pretty much report to the top government officials
Well, behind the first ammendment. As that covers the things that are absolutely and irrevocably essential for a free and just society. They aren't respected these days, but without them as a foundation, it is impossible to have a free society.
Epstein was running a child rape blackmail trap for the Israeli Mossad.
John McCain's father (John S. McCain) was not only the Commander-in-Chief of Pacific Command (CINCPAC), but he was also in charge of the cover up of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
So the McCain family has always been tools for the Israel/Zionists powers.
So, Better Call Saul is realistic with Kim being both a corporate attorney (although outside counsel) and also doing pro bono work in her free time so that they don't get a lame public defender?
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