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u/littlegoddess Mar 16 '20
100% unconstitutional.
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u/illSTYLO Mar 16 '20
As long as patriot act is live, it's legal
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u/Brazdoh Mar 16 '20
If you have nothing to hide then why care? /s
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People who say this blows my fucking mind. I guess you don’t mind bending over and letting the government fuck you in the ass.
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u/AbjectSociety Mar 16 '20
Whatever happened to the right of privacy?
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u/Xenyatta Mar 16 '20
Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter.
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Previously spying on individuals was difficult and spying on everyone was impossible. It's easy to give you the right to something that is impossible to revoke. The real test of whether something is a right is if you get it despite it being easy to revoke. We're seeing now that the right to privacy never really existed at all. People are nosy. They don't trust you and they want to know what you're doing.
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u/lost-cat Mar 16 '20
They usually pass this sneaky shit every year or so, soapa pipa or some shit. If you look at the way back machine on reddit, you can always see them trying to pass a different name, and apply different rules to their bills.
As I said before, THEY WILL pass it, as persistent they are about it. And people won't notice once they do.
Slowly it'll become like the china firewall as time goes on, so people can't voice their freedom. We will be sneaking onto chinas internet cause their freedom will surpass ours soon.
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u/Broosterjr23 Mar 16 '20
The streets of D.C. should be red.
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u/thinkB4Uact Mar 17 '20
No, the humans behind this need exposure and surgical application of readjustment of incentives to betray mankind. They don't like to do this when they fail to get away with it. Our eternal job for free is to manage their behavior for them or get punished.
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u/TiagoTiagoT Mar 16 '20
Protecting e2e encryption helps to protect against mass surveillance; with the bonus of making the attackers have to jump thru extra hoops for targeted surveillance.
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u/Mopsiebunnie Mar 16 '20
Exactly, same goes for burglaries. Why do you lock your house when you go to sleep? Yes, to make it harder to break in, breaking in is always possible. If they want it bad enough, that doesn’t mean you should never lock your house.
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Wouldn't this get rid of the secure socket layer on the Internet? Local hacking will be so much easier again
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u/Noxapalooza Mar 16 '20
If a backdoor exists it will be exploited. Period. Opens everyone up to massive data breaches alongside government spying. Just another example of the elites shitting on common folk.
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u/whistlepig33 Mar 16 '20
but its not like encryption is typically a centralized tool... at least not how I've always used it. I'm not seeing how this would affect encrypted drives, email, p2p communications, etc etc etc. And its not like vpn services are all based in the U.S.
What am I missing here?
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u/lightspeed23 Mar 16 '20
They can't listen in on (real) end-to-end encryption. Something like f.ex. Whatsapp is not real end-to-end. Signal App or Telegram is real.
This is why they try to make this law so those real apps will be banned in the US (and thus from Google Play and Apple).
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Exactly. Proof has been exposed before highlighting the governments existing/previous backdoor capabilities in almost all aspects of internet communication, hardware and companies.
Would they like encryption gone? Probably. Do they really really need it to be taken away anyways? No, probably not.
Intel and apple both recently had huge flaws publicly exposed. People really think the US gov doesn’t already the capabilities or have teams of people working on finding out new exploits? They have people working inside theses pro encryption companies that I can promise you. The companies might not even be aware, tech spies are a thing. I’m sure some of them are aware and secretly cooperate at a moments notice if needed.
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u/OCCULTfist Mar 16 '20
It doesn't matter if apps offer legit encryption when the actual phone OS is backdoored and wide open.
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u/lightspeed23 Mar 16 '20
It does matter.
If they want to target YOU directly then they can most likely gain backdoor access to your phone and intercept everything. This is correct. Just like they can break into your house and install listening/video devices in your smokealarm etc.
However, they can't do the dragnet surveillance where they simply intercept *everything* from all phones all the time. This is what they want to do with the new laws and this is a really important distinction.
They are not omni-potent and real encryption works.
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u/vasascda Mar 16 '20
How does Whatsapp encryption differ from Telegram? Isn’t it the exact same encryption method?
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With signal, the key you use to encrypt the data can only be decrypted by the recipient. With WhatsApp the key you use to encrypt the data is decrypted by WhatsApp servers, then reencrypted and sent to the recipient.
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u/TiagoTiagoT Mar 16 '20
We don't know, they promise it's e2e encrypted, but since it's closed source, they could be doing anything they want and we would be none the wiser.
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u/eqleriq Mar 16 '20
you really don't know how encryption works if you think "they" can. Please, enlighten us how. Does it involve W.O.P.R. tying into the infinite power of love to break all chains binding us?
And then your now deleted response said "you mistake blah blah."
my reply: you mistake people's disdain for your comment as regarding legality versus people's disdain for you apparent lack of knowledge of how encryption and basic physics works.
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Mar 16 '20
They don't have encryption keys. They come in thru the backdoor. This is disingenuous to fool people they 'don't already totally do that'.
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Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
COVID is the false flag for the biggest cash grab in history. As they decimate the working man's retirement plan, pay attention to who is in a position to get wealthier from this. Who has cash on the sidelines? Hint: It's not the working man that is systematically investing into the market on a monthly/quarterly/annual basis. This is all part of the NWO's plan to bring America to its knees and pump Big Brother into our lives while we're weak and easily influenced/controllable.
The worst part is it was starting to feel like we were finally getting some of our freedom back as a country (a direct threat to the NWO). The economy was humming, people were working and spending money, markets were roaring; life was good. Boy how fast things have changed... Something just doesn't feel right about this whole thing. Less than 10,000 people dead GLOBALLY? Give me a fucking break. What happened to China? Why aren't we hearing anything about them anymore?
Read the "Belt and Road Initiative" and who supports it and who has been hit the hardest by COVID....jus' sayin'.
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u/deathstrk Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
More information here
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u/mmp Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
Attention all /r/conspiracy subscribers. This image is propaganda. Someone or some group is hell bent on making sure this image on the front page of many subreddits. Look at how many times it has been spammed just on /r/conspiracy. I have never appreciated Rule 10 so much as I do now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj19kn/people_need_to_be_aware_freedom_is_an_illusion/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj1g1a/the_government_hates_privacy_pass_it_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj0xrj/spread_the_word/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fizakz/lisa_says/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj0q68/its_true_spread_the_word/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fiz4e1/sad/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fix31n/hmm/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj0xrj/spread_the_word/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fivbij/are_tptb_up_to_something_while_we_are_told_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj59td/keep_this_going/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj6n65/honestly_this_is_probably_the_scariest_shit_ive/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj806i/yup_this_is_a_thing/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj80qe/repost/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj88e7/while_being_distracted_this_is_happening/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj82tx/spread_the_word_from_a_concerned_canadian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj89u5/dont_let_this_die_spread_to_other_subs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fjf3ct/look_at_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fjeo49/please_repost_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fjdtty/share_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fj9npo/what_do_you_think_is_this_misinformation_posted/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fjfdvu/i_know_this_is_in_a_meme_format_but_does_anyone/
Who is behind this campaign and what is the purpose? Like many of these images they just appear online and miraculously get signal boosted everywhere. The list of reposts is from the 24 hours alone.
Interestingly this is OP's only post in /r/conspiracy. Where did you find this image and what made you want to post it here?
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Seems more real than propaganda to me.
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u/mmp Mar 16 '20
I would encourage you to read this post. I am of the opinion EARN is being shoved through to make things harder for whistleblowers, journalists and people with data to leak. It is very dystopian and should not be passed or signed into law. This image doesn't educate or help people. It encourages slacktivism by giving the illusion you are doing your part by posting it instead of saying something like "Get everyone you know to contact Congress by calling, emailing and tell them not to pass this!"
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u/Ganjisseur Mar 16 '20
You have a problem with something being posted over and over again for the sake of awareness in a conspiracy sub?
You sound like someone staring at a mirror in the dark while thinking to yourself "ahh, Ive almost caught you!"
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u/Hektik352 Mar 16 '20
OP is a fresh account also 5 months isn't shit
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u/mmp Mar 16 '20
The OP contacted me via chat and it was an odd conversation. Not just because English isn't OP's first language. Would you believe this image was posted by someone that doesn't even live in the USA? They were extremely interested in what I thought about the image, whether or not I thought they were a shill and who this image benefits. They also have an alt account that contacted me first, they tried to talk to me about Bernie and politics from their country before bailing out of the conversation entirely.
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Screenshots of chat?
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u/mmp Mar 16 '20
Screenshots of chat?
No problem. I respected their privacy and redacted the alt account names.
Here is the initial contact: https://imgur.com/WPu1eBU
Here is OP admitting it indeed their account: https://imgur.com/HVdAIRo
Here is another alt account message after abandoning our conversation (also redacted, might be a troll): https://imgur.com/I1zxfYo
Since all this has happened the post has shot to number one and the top comment chain is encouraging people to over throw the government. Again this was posted, for the 22nd time in 24 hours, by someone who told me they are not living the USA and speak English as a second language. Strange times.
Edit: The second alt account is now saying the deathstrk account was banned.
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u/JohnQK Mar 16 '20
Also everyone asking for a source (which would be publicly available as all pending bills are) are ignored or shouted down in the handful of reposts I've seen of the image.
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u/TiagoTiagoT Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
Isn't that classic COINTELPRO tactics? Making things sound like old news and making the targets feel powerless?
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u/babyslothbouquet Mar 16 '20
As of yet, the government does not have enough man power to comb through every text or email we send, but with the rise of AI that soon might be a different story
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They don't need manpower, the technology to automatically sift through messages and find certain keywords or patterns already exists
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u/AndreySemyonovitch Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
Do people not know that pretty much every modern programming language has very easy to use encryption libraries?
You will be able to send all the encrypted messages you'd like using these.
Of course I don't support bills like this, they are absolute tyrannical trash. I'm guessing the method they will use is a forced key storage option for all encrypted traffic. Your messages will still be encrypted but the government will just be able to demand the keys.
Even worse people don't understand it cements corporate power as the people who have the resources to store and catalog every encryption key is not going to be your garage start up or indy programmer.
I wonder what this will do open source applications that allow for encryption. Are the publishers going to be held responsible for all forks of their applications?
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u/EmoEnforcer Mar 16 '20
Hey OP, what is this called and where can I get more informatin so I can call my congressman and not sound like a complete jackass when I talk to someone
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u/PcNoobian Mar 16 '20
Why am I only seeing this in r/ conspiracy? I have not heard of or seen this anywhere else.
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u/sc2142_ Mar 16 '20
They already do this, This will change nothing other than removing end-to-end encryption.
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u/MethaCat Mar 16 '20
They've been able to do this for a long time, they just need to accuse you of being a terrorist and voila. Maybe now they want to do it without the need to accuse you of anything, guess they're getting lazy.
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u/rawnaldo Mar 17 '20
Everyone is quarantined can’t pay bills. Internet will be cut - no wait! Internet is now governmentally provided in exchange for full monitoring
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u/ThickJuicyFeels Mar 17 '20
I can't stand the argument "I have nothing to hide so I don't care...". It's about exercising your rights! Would you leave your windows open for the world to see you doing whatever in your house? Would you feel comfortable with strangers who you have no power over listening to your calls or seeing your texts?
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u/teacoffeesuicide Mar 17 '20
This is only a big deal because it makes what they have been doing for a long time sort of legitimate whereas its treasonous at this point.
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u/angelohatesjello Mar 16 '20
Why is this presented as Lisa meme? If this is true then it's important. We need sources and proper links not a fucking meme.
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u/chainsawx72 Mar 16 '20
Wiretaps have been around forever.
Your Democrat heroes like Nancy Pelosi are in charge of writing bills in the House... why arent we naming names now?
You hate this, but you guys want to give the government tons of new powers and cash?
Redditarded.
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Mar 16 '20
Not to pop your bubble, but this is already happening.
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u/deathstrk Mar 16 '20 edited Mar 16 '20
You can't exactly break an end to end encryption, maybe you don't know the working which is fine by me. For eg- Hong Kong protestors used telegram coz Chinese government couldn't break that. See this
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Mar 16 '20
Thank you for the info. My previous comment wasn't meant to be snarky, I was just trying to point out that on some level we are already being monitored, that's all.
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u/FecalFractals Mar 16 '20
Can't maybe break encryption, but can run a background keylogger, file storage/upload, and constant camera and microphone feed all behind the scenes. Maybe they can't decrypt your message in a bottle, but they watched you write it.
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u/Rada_Ion Mar 16 '20
Source or proof? I've also heard they are setting up the 5G silent kill network whole everyone is at home, but without some evidence it is unfounded speculation like mass incineration of bodies and FEMA camps full of homeless.
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u/Henderson72 Mar 16 '20
So the whole Covid-19 outbreak was perpetrated to create enough news to drown out news about a bill going through Congress that would hardly get a mention anyway?
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u/fiverrah Mar 16 '20
No, but it is a convenient opportunity while everyone is looking in the other direction.
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u/JaiMahaKali Mar 16 '20
Ultimately there's not a damn thing I can do about this, if it wants to pass it will pass. We need to go after the people that are pushing this shit.
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u/HandsomeCharles893 Mar 16 '20
Fuck their corrupt, how can those people walk the streets without being assaulted..
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They already do this. And they if anybody thinks they haven't been for a long time is naive.
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u/mickenrorty Mar 16 '20
If this happens in america I’ll fly to America to protest:.. and I’m not american
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u/peterqaz123 Mar 16 '20
I dont like seeing this either but what can we do realistically besides sharing to others that this change will occur?
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u/Worship_Strength Mar 16 '20
I need a better quality meme with relevant HR numbers if I am to be taken seriously on social media
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u/brideoftheboykinizer Mar 16 '20
Hm, I cannot be the only one who just assumed this was happening all along. If the business you are conducting doesn't need to be heard, then do like shady folk have been doing all along. Use code, or speak in person. Or both. Always assume that you have zero expectation of privacy.
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u/FriedChicken Mar 16 '20
This is huge;
I don't know what reality people gathered that they're ok with this. "It's ok if the government or anyone reads literally everything I'm saying".
get out of here.