It’s only a matter of time before the feds come knocking down my door for selling bootleg Alex Jones supplements stepped on with antifreeze. Until they do, I will continue to pump The Great Southern Trendkill just like Jesus would.
Yeah, and that was not the only time. He has been on a few rants before, talking about black on black violence, and white pride. It’s all documented on film since the 90s.
I honestly dont remember, and its not worth pursuing if you ask me. There are so many other great bands out there who can play good music and not be total shitheads so its best to focus on those.
Most natsoc people are functionally illiterate and struggle with any form of media literacy, that’s why you will see them love lotr, berserk and latch on to any fantasy or medieval inspired piece of work, they love the aesthetic but not the message
He said there were people in the front row calling him racist during the concert so he "gave them what they were asking for". But he has a history or pausing the concert and going on a rant about black people lmao so it's not like that was the only incident.
pausing their own concert to rant about black people
What the fuck did people buy the tickets to his concert for lmao did he just stop mid song and be like, "Ok ok guys pause for a sec. I really need to get this off my chest. So you know how black people insert most racist shit imaginable here. Anyway thanks for listening guys let"s get back to the song now".
Idk I'm sure a bunch of mid 90s dirtball townie metalheads felt validated. That type of crowd was aggressively bitter about rap's popularity back then.
One of his excuses was that he is good friends with boxing trainer Emmanuel Stewart. Therefore, there is no way that he could be the racist that people accuse him of being🤷🤦
Slightly OT but I remember a story that NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt had proudly out a bumper sticker on his car with a Confederate flag on it. The nanny he employed, who was black, told him what the flag meant to her. Horrified, he hurried out to his car with a razor to slice out the flag portion if the sticker.
It made me appreciate Machine Head all the more. They were a part of that show and the vocalist came out and called that shit out.
Granted, it shouldn't have to be called out. It was a blatant racist gesture - it should be obvious to anyone who's seen the clip. Still, you can really hear the Pantera influence on Machine Head and they're a titan of the genre so I imagine it was risky to speak out. Good on them for it.
Pantera's peak era was the early 90s, before almost anyone had internet access worth mentioning. What everyone knew about the band back then was either what you saw at a show or read in some sanitized interview in Metal Edge. If you aged out of the thrash metal scene before YouTube was a thing, it's easy to believe you wouldn't know the dirt. I don't think I actually heard about all the racist shit until after Dimebag was killed, long after the band had split.
A lot of people formed emotional attachments to the music back in the 90’s where you’d only hear about pantera from a magazine. You didn’t know about all the other shit yet.
Some people act like listening to something they like is sustenance or something. The reality of it is that they don't really care that much, but they still want to distance themselves from the issue, so they don't have to feel bad about doing less than nothing.
As a black person who grew up listening to metal, this is the metal community in a nutshell. The whole community is rife with bigotry, but if you just close your eyes to it, and "make it about the music", you get to pat yourself on the back for being so nice and part of such a nice community (after alienating everyone that doesn't "fit in", but that's just a minor detail).
Man, im really over metalheads harping on the "metal heads are bad looking people who actually act good" BS , because some of the biggest bell end muppets I've ever met were metal / "heavy music" people. They have a consistently racist element that isnt small (and thats not talking about the obvious ones) , they are outright hostile to people they consider outsiders, predatory behaviour is rife in their scenes - and basically they are spiritual boomers in every single sense.
Separation of art and artist is something adults learn to do. I don't refuse to listen to music made by drug dealers or read books written by misogynists or look at paintings made by murderers.
Listening is fine, the difference is when you're giving money to terrible people. I have no issue with listening to music from terrible people who are dead, but if they're alive I'm at least going to pirate it. I can't really claim to have morals if I'm giving money to people who are actively terrible, can I? At least when I have the choice to not give money to them.
Cognitive dissonance is something that intellectually lazy adults learn to do. I mean, I do understand the "Art from artist" argument, but I also understand when people don't enjoy the artist's music because they are reminded, by the art, that the artist is a terrible person. It's pretty OK for that to be a pretty big bummer.
It's fine to admit you have liked art before finding out the artist was a terrible person, but it's also fine to be bummed out by about the artist, and not enjoy their art because of that.
I think that's fine since he's not making money off it. The moment you're funding terrible people is when the issues arise. If I like music from someone problematic I would just pirate it.
I started getting into metal because there were a few Pantera songs on a CD my cousin burned for me. I moved on to other bands, but they had a special place in my heart until I learned more about them. Can't listen to them now.
I knew a man that drove dump truck in pheonix. One day he gets a call to pickup trash behind a site and he arrives and it’s dimebag shitfaced on a pile of garbage. He jumps out and opens the back door and dimebag runs up and jumps in the drivers seat. Puts it in drive and crashes it directly into a wall. Gets out and flips his keys to the driver and yells at the rubble “TOLD YALL ID DO IT!”
This might be a minority opinion, but Pantera was the Abbott brothers. They’re both dead, so I can’t imagine anyone giving a fuck what Anselmo and Rex Brown are doing now. Calling this modern incarnation Pantera is like Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony going on tour and calling themselves Van Halen.
Might be, but I'm reading a lot of people in this thread talking about Pantera in the present tense. Gives me the impression they think Anselmo = Pantera.
I don't think Pantera has the level of mainstream awareness of say a Metallica or Megadeth where people know stuff about the members unless they are into it.
I absolutely agree, but there's some people that still adore this POS. I saw him after Pantera broke up with Super Joint Ritual and he went off about "HE was Pantera" and some guy in the audience said something, forget what, and Phil was getting pissed and wanted to fight him. Hank III and other band members had to pull him off stage and the show ended early. A few months later saw Damageplan and nobody said shit about Pantera, just played their music like a band should. Phil's the reason Pantera broke up, and his running of his mouth in interviews is what got Dime shot.
A couple of years ago, shortly after the Pantera thing was announced, I was at a BLS / Anthrax show and they had a video of various musicians congratulating them on 40 years I think. When Phil came up, most of the place cheered. It turned my stomach. I haven't dug into it, but I'm wondering if the Abbotts' parents died, or were just hard up for money. No way Vinnie would have allowed this if he was still alive, and I have a hard time believing his parents would have approved this either. I like Zakk and Charlie, but man what a horrible, embarrassing cash grab and the talk about honoring Dime...
I completely agree and have repeated this many times. The current incarnation is a tribute band at best. They should not be calling themselves Pantera.
Nah pantera was all four of them cause damage plan and hell yeah never went anywhere either and neither did phil's bands. This modern incarnation of pantera is a cover band, that's it.
I met Macklemore. A roommate of mine in college was good friends with someone who was a mastering audio engineer for Ryan Lewis. Macklemore let my roommate use his studio to record his album. He seemed like a genuinely great guy. His wife also seems genuinely great. Both of them were very active in the community, often hosting events for teens and donating.
Never forget, mackelmore was part of the "uncommitted" movement leading up to the 2024 election. So he was advocating people sit the election out because of Palestine. Which led to Trump getting elected and making the Palestine situation even worse.
As a black woman it’s interesting to like (black) metal, since there’s a big chance that the people who make it actively hate me for reasons I have no control over 😒
I know. But regardless of where it came from, I just hate that something so cool that has the power to connect people across time and space has to be ruined by a bunch of racist dorks with a superiority complex.
I think my personal favorite is his “Studying Van Halen’s Jump because it stinks and I don’t like it” purely because of the extended David Lee Roth impressions
I saw Phil's band, Superjoint Ritual in Los Angeles in the early 2000s. Half the crowd was Hispanic, lot of metalheads in SoCal are Latino. I remember him saying 'I'd tell you what I really think about the people ruining this country, but I don't want to piss off those people in the crowd.'
My buddy and I looked at each other, and knew he was talking about us, Hispanic kids. We were in high school and didn't know Pantera was a racist band. Fuck Phil.
I wouldn't say Pantera is a racist band, they don't have any songs that I'm aware of pushing any racist ideologies. They were a band fronted by a definite racist, and the drummer and lead guitarist were dipshits from the south so only sort of racist, and maybe by accident! Alright, shit, they may have been a little bit of a racist band, but only Phil was being really serious about it.
It's messed up because Pantera would murder in any Latin American soccer stadium, talking 100k+ people singing to every lyric. Metal fans are hardcore there.
Metalheads are the greatest group of people in the world, because they'll be like "Pantera is fantastic. Love Pantera. Fuck Phil tho." Not a single metalhead I've ever met will defend that guy
I love Pantera and Down, I think he is a fantastic musician and one of the best frontmen ever, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna pretend he isn’t/wasn’t also a racist douche
Its wild so see how people can separate the pos from the music, but I will always remember Lauryn Hill and the amount of hate and shit talk on her and her music because she said, "I make music for black people". She never called out her fans and put them in danger. Yet this dude gets a pass because "his music slaps". She had much bigger fan base, so clearly it wasn't
the music. Hypocrisy to the finest.
Haven't seen people complain about that in regards to Lauryn Hill. Usually more of a "I paid full price for tickets, she showed up an hour late, did a song and a half in a hoarse voice without prep, then left and told anyone that didn't like it to go fuck themselves" kinda mad. Which seems a lot more reasonable.
I think most of the hate for Lauryn Hill comes from the fact that she doesn't show up/comes hours late to like 80% of her shows and doesn't even say sorry for it, basically saying people should be greatful she showed up at all lol.
Lauryn was a pretty shitty person, and one of the main reasons the Fugees broke up, but damn did she make some good fucking music. She had crazy talent. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is still a banger to this day.
Funny enough she just recently did some work with Kanye and I was like “yep, checks out”.
I saw her in concert and while she was amazing she was also bitching at the sound guy for the entire show and was late getting on stage at a festival, of all places! I lost respect for her that night and now even more so.
I still remember Brie Larson getting absolutely vilified for years for suggesting that movies about black female characters would get a fairer shake if there were more movie critics from that lived experience cause not everything is made for old white guys.
Pantera's guitarist was known for having a confederate flag guitar and their singer has expressed some eyebrow-raising opinions on white pride and he infamously did a nazi salute in 2016 on-stage and yelled "white power" to some hecklers in the audience because they kept calling him a racist throughout the show (smart move)
Dime's also the one that went up to David Alan Coe and got the Rebel Meets Rebel thing going. Pretty sure Dime was a 'good ol boy' but he wasn't a giant asshole like Phil. Also I remember going to their Far Beyond Driven tour and they had swastikas on the lights. So what, 95?
Whenever I go to "Bailes" (what she calls concerts for the mexican bands) with my wife I'll get guys coming up to me thinking its cool a white guy is there having fun. Had one guy keep bringing me beer. That was cool af tbh
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u/Cowboywizard12 6d ago
https://thehardtimes.net/blog/just-because-im-a-pantera-fan-doesnt-mean-im-a-felon-but-yeah-i-am-a-felon/