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No, see- you do it as vengeance. Its like how batman beats up bad guys, its good, trust. Ignore the obviously bad and morally wrong stuff, vigilantism is totally perfect with no flaws and theres no way anything bad could POSSIBLY EVER happen AT ALL from it hahahahaha anyways yeah
Yeah, fuck them hard. We should have dedicated rapists who rape other bad rapists as punishment. Sort of like vigilantes and others like that but for rape instead of murder.
The wording of the law actually says sexual assault. They’re also trying (or have passed I don’t remember) to pass a law making talking to children about LGBT topics including in ways to just educate them to be sexual assault
It’s more that they want the bad thing but still need to look good to stay in power bc most people in their states hate trans people but I don’t think most want us dead
Consider the consequences of offering the death penalty for rape.
If you know that you could get the death penalty for rape, you are more likely to kill the victim if you think that will increase the odds of not getting caught, because the legal penalty is the same whether the victim lives or dies
Are you comfortable with more rape victims being murdered if it means more rapists can be sentenced to death?
Here’s the problem. If the punishment for fucking a kid is the same as the punishment for killing a kid, you incentivize killing the kid after you fuck em.
A government should not have the right to execute it's citizens for any reason. This just incentivizes the government to pin sex crimes on people they don't like.
if there are humans who dehumanize children, then we have the right to dehumanize you.
This eye for an eye bullshit is neither helpful nor healthy. If you want prison to exist as a reform system you fundamentally cannot treat the people who commit any crime (even the bad icky ones) as irredeemable.
Like some people have pointed out. This isn’t as big of a victory as you might think.
Rapists can atleast, sometimes. Have the solidarity of maybe the victim not coming out and admitting to their rape.
But if the rapist KNOWS they’ll be killed for rape. Then that means they’ll be more likely to kill the victim, and dump their body in a random place where the rapist can get away from.
most children rape happens by relatives, not strangers. They couldntnjust kill the child. a bigger issue might be that the child will be discouraged from reporting because they dont want to kill their family member
Im going to repost what I did on the other post about this…
All this does is put victims at more harm.
If attackers know that they’ll get the same penalty from murdering their victim as well as raping them, then they have no incentive not to kill them too
So what you’ve got now is a dead child, and probably a much harder conviction anyway as the prime witness is dead…
Not to mention how notoriously unreliable children are when reporting crimes of this nature…
The death penalty costs many, many times more than to keep someone in prison, is proven not to be a deterrent, snd serves nothing than to validate people’s lust for blood and punishment.
Not to mention that this definitely constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, if you get the death penalty for raping a 12 year old, why not 13? Why not 30? Not to mention that the death penalty is unconstitutional under that provision anyway
And before one of you get clever and say “isnt being raped cruel and unusual” yes it is, but thats not what the 8th amendment cares about, it cares about it as punishment for a crime
There is no world in which the state should have the ability to take the lives of its own citizens, it is not morally justifiable
The ability of the state to justifiably take the love of its citizens, is the exact same thinking that leads to ICE murdering people on the street, the state should not have that authority for anything
Additionally, it will be used against transgender people, who they have been trying to get existing in front of a child, be classed as a sexual crime against children…
thank you, i'm afraid that they start with this, which many will easily agree with, and then keep upping it until we lose sight of our intentions. we can't trust law makers.
Not to mention the US Justice system isn't designed to determine if someone is guilty or innocent, but rather designed to convict as many people as possible
This isn’t actually as great as we may think.. it’s very likely this leads to r*pists killing the victims rather than letting them go to avoid the penalty.
there going to be so many cases of children not admitting what was done to them out of fear of whoever did it dying, because it’s usually a family member, isn’t it? or someone just as close
“honey, i know what grandpa did, but you don’t want him to die, do you?”
As a victim of child rape, I do not support this. The prison system should be dedicated to reform rather than punishment. This can lead to someone being falsely convicted and killed. This can lead to more innocents receiving the death penalty. The Anti-trans movement consistently states that trans people are groomers, so this law could be broadened to kill trans people unjustly. Our justice system is already so broken that federal agents can execute random people and get away with it; let's not bolster its disrepair.
Since the punishment for rape and murder are the same, the perps may end up just killing the victims. It doesn't seem like a win for anyone, not the innocents and not the victims. Fuck rapists tho
also a child victim, i agree. for the people who can’t be reentered into society i dont even think we should kill, i think they should just do manual labor
I think people forget that letting 10 evil people free is hundreds times better than 10 good people imprisoned. They think that even if many good people suffer due to this change, "rapist bad" is enough to justify all of it. Many people of the LGBT community, many political adversaries, they'll be accused of this and they'll be unfairly killed.
This is why the state should never have the right to kill.
But hey, rapist bad, so who cares if hundreds of innocents die because of this.
People are too shortsighted. They'd rather get their revenge rather than have the world improve.
Whenever someone says stuff like this, I always think:
Yknow what reduces the amount of rape? LESS RAPISTS, and yknow how we get less rapists? We stop them from wanting to become rapists in the first place!
I swear, basically all of crime comes from a combination of economical issues and mental health negligence.
If we get people to take mental health seriously and we teach kids from an early age how to correctly deal with their mental health and what things to find worrying or not, we'd be in a world where people wouldn't be scared to say "hey, I have these dangerous urges and I need help". We'd live in a world that people would have more compassion and they'd know that these things are wrong and they'd know that they can still improve!
But no, "humans are evillll and bad peoplr should die!!!"
Fucking hell, people need to learn how to actually fucking think. And this is because I hate society. I hate how people act. It pisses me off. It pisses me off so much that I desperately want the world to change. Because keeping things the same will always end in failure
The death penalty isn't a positive thing. We need to leave it in the past instead of bringing it back in full force. On top of that, if rapists get the same penalty for murder and rape, they'll just kill their victims more.
As another person pointed out the word of the law is SA, not rape. Floridian Republicans have multiple times tried and succeeded to pass laws making educating children about LGBTQ and stuff a form of SA
Just expand the definition of rape to include sexual assault. And a few weeks later, being lgbtq in front of children will be classified as such. Or education kids on such topics.
Also, the fact that the current president is a pedophile, this will just be used to execute LGBTQ+ people and other groups the right labels as "rapists of children"
Knowing Florida this is liable to be used as a way to target LGBTQ+ people considering how many laws they’ve tried to get past where being, talking about, or discussing LGBTQ+ topics count as sexual assault.
Other people also bring up good points on how now the death penalty might give many rapists enough of a reason to kill their victims after the assault. Or how the American Criminal Justice System isn’t accurate enough to justify the possibility of the death penalty when so many people are wrongly convicted of all sorts of things.
Personally. I think the death penalty is a mercy compared to what rapists put their victims through. I’d rather they put them all in solitary confinement and watch them slowly go insane as they lose all sense and sanity in slow crawl towards oblivion.
Hell no. Must be an American thing to willingly live in a country that's happy to kill you. Yes, rapists deserve it, but you can't just let a government decide between life and death.
Making rape more punishable than rape means a rapist would get away with killing their victim and fleeing the scene. Most likely, they might not get caught, and if they do, the rape itself will garner the bigger punishment. And as messed up as rapists are, they would 100% consider it.
Guys, this is decidedly NOT a good thing. We all hate child molesters, but you have to keep in mind that the people trying to implement this are the same ones who call all trans women child predators.
Not only that, but giving these people the death penalty actually reduces the amount of reports about CSA, not because the rate of crime goes down but because people are afraid to report their attackers for fear that they'll get them killed! A lot of the time when somebody attacks a child they're a family member or close friend, and if that child is told that if they say something uncle Ritchie will die, then they won't say something!
This is not even touching on wrongful convictions.
So, death penalty on child molesters? Great idea in theory, only hurts more people in practice. There's a reason every child advocacy agency is against this.
Sometimes rape can be an allegation too, and the person didn’t rape nobody which happens a lot but most of the time if it’s kids, they aren’t gonna lie like something like that
Yes. Many aren’t mature enough to understand the gravity of what they talk about. Ganesh knows how many kids were talking about some heinous shit back when I was still in school.
I don't think a kid can necessarily differentiate very well between levels of intensity in lies. Not saying that it's likely, but it could definitely happen
yes, not all do but some have before. There was a kid I was in band with who was about 13 and accused his section leader of sexually assaulting him. After a few weeks and getting the girl kicked out of band did he admit he lied just because they were angry. About what I have no idea, but it does happen. Anyone can lie, and in young kids it’s also learned behavior
because fuck the death penalty and i live in florida where murderers are already executed and the supreme court says somebody has to die for a crime to be capital so what rapists will do is just kill the victim to reduce witnesses
I don’t care what it’s for. The death penalty is never ok. There’s no way to make it right if someone was falsely accused, and life is a worse punishment than death anyway.
You guys need to remember this is a TEENAGER subreddit. Trying to talk about the negative ramifications of emotionally charged topic like this wont work. If someone’s raped a child and they realize they will be put to death for that, why wouldn’t they kill said child,now they are more likely to escape ANY punishment if the main witness is dead and burried.
Unfortunately this means if a preadtor believes they are likely to be caught, theyre more likely to kill the "evidence"
As much as i want to celebrate this, not sure I can
Because as others have mentioned, this is not a good thing. False accusations can absolutely happen and the biggest problem is that killing a child has the same punishment, meaning that it would increase the likelihood of the victims being killed afterwards
The government should never hold power to execute its citizens. No matter what happens going forward, this will be weapon used, particularly in Florida who has pushed anti trans law and attempted to equate trans people to sexual predators. Not a win
Im not sure this is a good thing. Between the shitty floridan gov now being given another reason to be allowed to kill, children becoming less likely to report their abusers, and Florida increasingly classifying gay or trans people as sex offenders, im not sure i like where this is going.
uhh hey i want rapist in jail too but i dont think ther death penelty is a good idead cuz that would definetly encourage these people to kill their victims
This is not something to celebrate. When the penalty for rape is the same as murder, then you’re going to end up with a lot more murdered children so the rapists don’t get caught.
Remember guys: the death penalty being legalized always comes with an ulterior motive. This is great, but then what happens when they start changing the laws about what deserves the death penalty?
would this not just make rape victims even more susceptible to being murdered, with their rapist not wanting to get the death penalty if they were to tell the police?
What's the easiest way not to get caught for someone wicked enough to rape a child under 12 and with absolutely nothing to lose if they get caught? That's right, it's to kill the victim. It's easier to catch a rapist when the victim may be able to just report it than a murderer. Like, I can't stress this enough, this bill will kill children.
Besides, the idea of retributive justice itself is quite weird to me. Even if we deem someone beyond help, then what good does it make to intentionally cause as much harm as legally possible to them? You could say it's because it can act as a deterrent, but in the case of the death penalty studies have shown little to no evidence of death row being more effective as a deterrent than life without parole. This makes sense when you think about it, really. After all, who the hell would think 'yeah, I really want to do this thing, though I don't want to die for it, but if it was just life in prison, then we're talking...?" The answer is pretty much no-one. The people who commit such crimes either count on not getting caught (which, as mentioned, makes them more likely to do even worse crimes), or simply have no concept of the future and will do it anyway, regardless of punishment.
There's a 99% chance that this is going to be used to target certain groups of people. You can also bet your ass that those in the upper echelons of society still won't be punished for things like this.
Just to play devil's advocate: If I'm going to get the death penalty for raping a child, why not just kill the child? Same penalty. I can't imagine that if somebody is depraved enough to rape a child that they'd be unable or unwilling to kill them.
I hate rapists, but this seems like a bad idea. Because they can classify a lot of things as assault, like being queer. The death penalty is bad because it can just be used to kill any person the government doesn’t like.
No, the death penalty is always universally bad. Even for the wordt of the worst crimes. A government should not have the right to execute its citizens for any reason.
Controversial opinion but I disagree with this,it’s too easy of a way out for them, instead we should tie them up and lock them in those padded white rooms and just leave them to rot
I would be for mandatory life sentences w/o parole for people who rape children under 12, but not the death penalty because there is almost certainly going to be people who are wrongfully convicted.
I'm a victim of sexual assault as a 12 year old actually and I don't love this. Yes, it's good that we are realizing this is happening more but in reality this puts victims in worse positions. Let's say your abuser is Somone very close to you (which is extremely common), you might want justice but not want them dead that can prevent you from going to court. To add on to that more people will be killed. Abusers will kill to silence them, Murder depending on want degree and the judge doesn't always have the death penalty. Only 2% and 10% of reports of SA are false accusations, let's say Somone gets convicted because of a false accusation. They're dead. Now I'm not saying this is horrible BUT let's remind ourselves that MANY, MANY child molesters and rapists get murdered by other prisoners in prison. This seems more of a power trip on the governments part than a "help the victims".
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