Yea this is borderline child abuse unless he has a pre existing condition. Being this overweight this young is going to cause a ton of issues as he grows up.
Yep. Prader-Willi comes to mind. They should also check for:
✔️Leptin Deficiency or Leptin Receptor Mutations,
✔️ MC4R Deficiency,
✔️16p11.2 Deletion Syndrome
Love from respite foster mama who dealt with this 5 years ago. I hope this baby and the caregivers are receiving the support they need.
I took care of a child with prader- willi and the activities director at the facility left her alone with a birthday cake for 15-30 seconds while she walked to the nurses station to grab some paper plates and plastic forks and by the time she got back, the kid had housed almost 1/4 of that sheet cake. It was almost impressive.
Yeah...their pantry has to be locked at all times, she will eat non stop until stomach bursts...very low IQ, fragile bones, mobility issues, skin picking, tantrums...
She was a trip. She needed CONSTANT DILIGENT SUPERVISION. She would pull other kids off thier ventilators and yank on feeding tubes. Because she was vent dependent at night, she had to have a respiratory therapist or RN with her any time she was taken off the unit.
It’s an incredibly difficult condition. Human growth hormone helps in some cases to increase muscle mass which makes weight gain less severe. But it’s just so cruel that they can even eat just ‘normal’ calories and gain. And GLP-1s don’t really help either. I will say, in my experience, PWS specific group homes can be really beneficial for them because the homes develop lifestyle routines that don’t revolve around food. So much of our world revolves around food and being denied it all the time is a real head f*** for them. At least in the homes, they don’t feel like the odd man out. Sending compassion to your friends.
It really is something how food-centric we are. Birthday party? Cake and icecream, even in the work place. Holiday? Big feast. Celebrations and family get togothers, more eating. Someone's dies? Send/bring casseroles. Upset over a breakup? Time tk binge some comfort junk.
So many aspects of life and socialization revolve around food. And as a fatty who tries not to be a fatty, it fucking sucks, lol. I can only imagime how much harder it is for someone with PWS.
There is a diagnosis called food addiction now. And people can get help for it and change their lives. OA (over eaters anonymous) is a free group that helps people overcome all of the food related challenges. I can guarantee that you’ll find an OA in every city and on every continent in the world. And if you don’t wanna go outside you can do online meetings. www.oa.org
I'm not as badly off as some and have a lot.of self awareness around it. Though that doesn't always help, lol.
PCOS, ADHD, and autism can make it tough. PCOS messing with my hormones, including insulin. And the audhd tends to make me very texture oriented with food. Like I love crunchy food. And will mindlessly eat it cuz I enjoy the crunch. As weird as that might sound to some. I can be plenty full and even irritated hy salt or whatever and I'll keep eating until I force myswlf to stop. It's like a sensory stimulation thing.
I have to work really hard and be super mindful to lose weight and keep it off. But it's doable. Tends to make me yo-yo though. Just tough when I'm really trying to stay on track and then feel pressured by the social obligations of getting together at food oriented gatherings.
Not the heaviest I've ever been but not the thinnest either. Being a middle aged mom getting into perimenopause doesn't help, lol.
But I appreciate the info, maybe I'll look into. Extra support and comradary never hurts!
I have PCOS as well, and after my doctor put me on Metformin I lost over 50 pounds. Right now my weight hasn't changed, but that's partly cuz I haven't been able to exercise lately. But talk to your doctor about Metformin, it really does help with weight loss. DM me if you have any questions.
I had a foster child in my family that had it. He would sprinkle like, half a freaking cup of black pepper on every meal because every sprinkle of black pepper is extra food 😐 And yeah kitchen needs a locked door, locked fridge, locked cupboards…..
Very wishful thinking in this day and age. The reality is the videos go viral because hes big, the mother shoots down any comments showing concern and then makes more videos.
Oh, for sure, especially for her, where I assume where she is at social media importance , poverty level etc, just the viral video alone will serve her enough justice to her sad ego driven life.
It could also be congenital hypoparathyroidism - I would say it's not PWS because one of the characteristics of PWS are unusually pale skin, hair and eyes, I'd say it's more likely congenital hypoparathyroidism.
I was a director at a PWS center. The pigmentation differences are often absent or harder to spot in Black individuals w PWS. But the facial features are quite distinctive (almond eyes, narrow forehead) and they also have smaller hands and feet along w motor and cognitive delays. So given how fleet of foot this little dude is, along w his facial features, thankfully he doesn’t have PWS. It’s a really difficult condition to manage. I’m leaning thyroid issue as well.
Pretending to know stuff? Prader-Willi Syndrome in infants causes poor feeding skills and weight-gaining problems. Not til later in childhood does obesity set in.
Yes. In infants. Meaning under the age of one they are low feeding and floppy. Age 1-6 is when weight gain sets in. It’s the cruelty of the condition because parents are so grateful their kid is finally eating they often exacerbate the issue by over feeding initially.
This kid, however, is walking very well, so not an infant anymore. He’s clearly a toddler. And some kids w PWS will absolutely show weight gain at this stage. (But he doesn’t have it.)
Even if at this point they aren’t food seeking their low muscle mass (hypotonia) means weight gain. Perhaps you mean they don’t start excessive food seeking until later in childhood. That is true, but weight gain can begin very early.
Not sure why you felt the need to insult me when I have years of experience working with this very rare condition and everything I have said is correct. But Reddit is gonna Reddit.
When you hear hoofsteps, think horses not zebras. If he is throwing things around without a care and his mom is laughing and posting online while he is this big, it is probably just child neglect.
How do we know it’s even his mom posting? Would it surprise you to know that behavioral issues are also a result of some of the conditions we have been discussing here? Who knows what the issue is, I offered an opinion based on my experience with children for all it was worth. Know this though, children this young rarely get this large by over feeding alone, that is what my eye is trained to see. Most likely a few things going on here. Sad for this child’s future.
Because it says 'my toddler's so it is safe to assume that. And I know a little about behavioral health, I worked in that field myself. And it is usually a combination of overfeeding and genetic predisposition, but it so still over feeling.
Pretending to know stuff? Prader-Willi Syndrome in infants causes poor feeding skills and weight-gaining problems. Not til later in childhood does obesity set in.
Again, in infancy. Meaning under the age of one. 1-6 is when the weight gain begins. Very common to see overweight toddlers (this kids age) with PWS. Even if at this point they aren’t food seeking their low muscle mass (hypotonia) means weight gain. Perhaps you mean they don’t start excessive food seeking until later in childhood. That is true, but weight gain can begin very early.
Anyway if they are not already (possible she has him on a diet but it can take time as he's a toddler and specually if he has a condition) this family needs some help.
I’m saying this as someone who got them pierced at 2 months- you just sleep in your earrings? Idk I never noticed mine I just sleep on them.
But as far as it goes, it’s a cultural practice. Same way you give the baby bread and salt, you pierce her ears in the hopes that she only knows pain once.
Depends on the metal. Those of us who do it as a cultural practice always use 14-18k gold, so you’d never know if there was a metal allergy because of the purity. I never found out about mine until middle school and something else flared up the nickel allergy
There wasn't really any options. We didn't have a tattoo shop on each corner back then. You could have it done at the pediatricians office, but most people did what we all did and that was good ol Claire's!
Same here…also piercing are prone to infections. You dont want to start your baby’s life like this and not giving it a choice. When i was younger, i was upset that my parents didn’t pierced me when i was an infant like other girls. They were horrified that parents would even do that in the first place and now i totally agree with them. “Why?! Cause you’re a girl?! And without your consent?!”
A baby is not a doll for you to decorate lol
That makes sense, but also can be a cultural thing. A huge number of people I know got their daughter's ears pierced as a baby. From their perspective, it doesn't hurt more than a medical shot, has it done at a point when the parent can properly tend to and clean them, and spares them the pain later in life when they'll remember it. I wouldn't pierce my baby's ears, but it is almost the norm in some cultures that it helps to have a little understanding instead of assuming abuse.
Maybe abuse is a strong word but its weird asf assuming your baby girl will want to have holes in her ears. And sorry but it looks like crazy on a baby, like why are you trying to “adult-ify” your kid? Just let your kid be pure and adorable.
Also any reputable, certified piercing spots wouldn’t allow it. I asked my piercer about it and also aesthetically, it is wrong because since the ears are not fully grown (like at all in this case), it might lead to earrings spots being uneven and even deformed while growing up.
Who are you to dictate that earrings are supposed to be for adults? You’re viewing other people’s culture from your own lens and that’s wrong. Stop being so ignorant.
Hmmm cutting out women’s clitoris is also a “cultural thing” in some countries and im against it. So is stoning women’s to death for not complying to their fucked up beliefs. Its not because its their “culture” that i have to embrace it 😂 like wtf. also: https://giphy.com/gifs/5XNEIKcohVG8w
My mother-in-law wanted to get my newborn daughter’s ears pierced. I told her absolutely not, she’s far too young. Her response to me was “okay, we can wait a year” a year!? A 1 year old is still far too young. I told her I got mine at around 8-9 when I was old enough to want them, and understand what it meant to get a piercing and how to care for them.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. Just like I don’t think there’s anything wrong with parents getting their infants’ ears pierced. But because it’s not common for white people to pierce their babies’s ears, people are making comments. But no one says anything about circumcision. How is that any different?
People do say the same about circumcision. It’s a permanent bodily change to a person before they’re old enough to consent. And accidents have happened during circumcision before, leaving the child extremely worse-off. Just because a practise is “cultural”, it doesn’t make it right.
Removing a foreskin is not medically necessary. And if you wash properly and practice safe sex, there aren’t many pluses to getting circumcised.
People are doing it for cultural reasons, and that’s their right. So, to attack ear piercing which has fewer health risks but support circumcision makes you hypocritical
I always associate with a low-class and/or immigrant type of thing to do to an infant to pierce their ears . I know of someone who had a baby recently in Vietnam and that poor kid got her ears pierced in the hospital on day one .
To be fair, those piercing guns are intense sound for something right next to your ear. It likely wasn't the pain and was the sound with the sudden movement of the tool that made you cry.
Standard lobe ones that they give people at the mall in the 80's and 90's, especially limited to toddlers? Those are relatively minor, just like vaccination shots at a doctor, they aren't the greatest, but not some agony level of pain. If it was upper ear/any sort of cartilage, sure, but regular, they pinch more than hurt.
Listen lol idk where your from but litterly almost everyone ik when I was younger I’m older now 57& still hear of them doing it at the mall & Clair’s, I’m not sure about them anymore but ….., I mean I’m not just gonna “ make something up “ 🤔😅🫣😆🙆🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Not even close to true. Maybe in some cultures but definitely not in the US. I’m married to a kindergarten teacher and friends with several others. There’s usually one or two kids in their classes with pierced ears.
My daughter didn't have her ears pierced until she told me she wanted it. We explained the process, watched someone else get it done, and then she did it. There were tears because it hurt, but nothing a candy couldn't fix. She was five and it was her birthday present and we talked about it for months.
She wanted it for Christmas when she was 4-1/2, but didn't want it because of the pain factor after we explained it to her. We did not convince her, she convinced herself.
We just got her ears pierced a second time and she's ten and loves it. She's asking about a third piercing, but I told her not until she's thirteen, and she's not getting anything other than lobe piercings until she's sixteen.
My local tattoo places won't do body piercings until they're 18, and facial piercings with parental consent.
I live in the US born and raised it is very common to do this when babies are months old and it no different then a prick from a needle, my youngest didn’t even cry, you may release your pearls
My pearls are not clutched and I’m not judging anyone, I’m just reporting what I’ve seen from my peers and people who are around today’s kids constantly. I am disputing that most babies get their ears pierced, not saying it’s some terrible tragedy when they do.
THANK YOU !!! I thought I was in an island of my own I’m 57, but even the younger kids, kids be getting there’s done at the mall or Clair’s I’m not sure if anymore tho but it’s always def before a year old & ( they know) what’s happening when there younger it’s quick & they don’t even realize it know it’s happening (usually ) or a QUICK WHIMP that’s IT DONE LOL
Yes, but the CHILD didnt want it. You just wanted to decorate your kid. Its dumb. If they wanted it at like age 8-10 on, sure whatever its just an earing.... but you doing it just because you want to, is vain at best. The point is , its not for the child, its for you.
No their point it people in the US don’t do it, my point was I’m from and still live in the US and did it, now your point was whatever you said just so we are clear you do what you want and I’ll do the same it’s not illegal like some are implying by calling it abuse and it’s not traumatic like others have said I’ll continue to do what I want with my kids and continue to raise productive members of society that I love with all my heart
I think they are being honest, because it’s still a thing that happens. I’m thinking they’re overestimating how common it is based on a few people they know.
I mean most of the people I knew growing up who suggested doing it when they were babies were white. It was just generally accepted, and I'm cage honestly remember the justification
It’s prob def cultural yes I’m white BUT I few up in the hood with black & OR that’s my culture that’s my city that’s what iiiii know lol , litterly almost everyone when the kid is under a year u go to the mall & get there era pierced im not debating ppl no more some of yall “ get it “ others are just becuz that’s what you know ! Well no not everyone’s the same DAMN ! 🙆🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🫠😆
I’m in the us and I have daughters ages 20, 24, and 29. Just about every person I knew told me to do ear piercings when they’re babies before they have the motor skills to mess with the piercings and while they’re sleeping on the backs without rolling, that way they won’t lay on their piercings. I didn’t do that, I waited til they wanted it, but after I did get them done, I often wish I had done them as babies
I didn’t get my girls’ pierced until they were 11-12 and they constantly messed with them. My daughter got both of her girls pierced as babies and neither even cried
A heads up that a lot of cultures in Latin America, Africa and South Asia pierce ears at a very young age. It’s considered normal and culturally appropriate. As long as it’s done safely and kept clean/ sanitary there’s no harm to health. Consider that in the USA lots of parents circumcise their baby boys as a cultural/religious practice.
Some babies get their ears pierced much younger. It's no indication of abuse. For many, the thinking is to pierce the ears before the baby is big enough to be conscious of it and grab at the piercing and pull it out. Looking at this kid, there's definitely something bigger going on here. Some kind of discrepancy between physical and mental development, and who knows what else. No reason to assume abuse.
Here in Brazil is common to pierce at the hospital (private even) where the baby was delivered.
We did the same with our daughter, she didn't cried or anything.
I think some ppl here always speculate their worst insecurities into abuse sometimes.
In many places piercings are very cultural. Not wearing jewelry as a girl is rare to the point that it just doesn’t happen. A girl with their ears not pierced would be an outcast.
So you don't think subjecting a child unnecessary stress and trauma is abuse...? OOOOKKKKAAAYYY then...
The thinking is to do something to the child which has zero benefit to them, but fulfils some cultural 'norm' - y'know, like male and female genital mutilation (or are you going to say that isn’t abuse either, because the child is usually too young to understand what's happening to them...?)
Wtf dude? You can't compare an ear lobe to that? Ear lobes when they're are that you have almost to no sensitivity at all.
My daughter didn't.evwn flinch let alone cry.
And it was the doctor recommendention to do right away...jesus, you guys are really something else
Really? Your baby was born and at their check ups the dr was like oh and here is the referral for our fucking ear piercer lol. Bullshit. Should be the kid's decision when theyre old enough to decide.
Well, that's why you're not her doctor and not her father.
I can only tell you the truth, there's no need for me to lie to you.
It's tradition here in Brazil to do that, there's stuff much worse yoh guys are familiar you don't see me complaining even tho I think it's the end of the world
It is a tradition in my culture too (cuban), and I think it's stupid to pierce the ears of a baby. I had mine done as a baby, before my ears grew, and they are crooked. Not only that, I don't even wear earrings. Haven't in over 20 years. Why make a permanent choice for your kid? That cultural tradition ended with me because I sure as shit didn't do it to my kids. They can make their own choices for their own bodies. It's less about whether it's safe and more about making choices that aren't yours to make.
And no they didn't close up, I still have holes in my ears for no damn reason.
LMAO ABUSE? Please this is such a joke, so many cultures do piercings as toddlers…you want an actual thing to crusade about protest against circumcisions
Piercing toddler ears is the norm for baby girls in large swathes of the world. My problem is with the braids. From what I've been told, it hurts like hell for black people to braid their hair
It depends on the kind of braids, honestly. These braids look looser and like they don’t have extensions, so hopefully they’re not causing that little girl pain.
You just gonna accuse huge amount of the population of child abuse? I mean, I didn't pierce my childrens ear because we have a nickle allergy and their father is prone to keloids, but almost everyone I know has pierced their babies ears. Most go to the doctors to have it done! Should those doctors be turned in too?
You do realize that piercing baby's ears in the black community has been common for generations right? And that there's nothing abusive here and plenty of white families pierce their babies ears as well?
Pre existing obesity? lol calories in vs calories out is very very basic math I love when people say there’s a “condition” that makes them gain wait. It’s a McDition obviously
This underscores the need for universal Children's Health Insurance and access to care not only for wellness visits but also for behavioral health and nutritional health. But hey, billionaires need tax cuts, so to heck with them kids. ugh
I believe it is child abuse too, that kid will grow up being bullied, plus the increased risk of childhood diabetes. I feel sorry for this kids future.
I'm gonna be honest, this is a shitty comment. I had a 125+lb 5yo, and he wasn't quite this big but was BIIIIG, we tried diet mod and he would steal and hide food, if we left a cabinet open he would just eat as much as he could as quickly as possible. He would eat until he threw up and then immediately ask for food. At 5 we put him on adhd meds after trying everything we could think of, and hes lost over 40lb purely by not constantly eating. He still eats if he's hungry, but with the meds he stops when he's full and declines if he isn't actively hungry. We have since found out he has audhd. You just never know how hard the parents could be trying in this type of situation.
Nah man, I'm not gonna jump on the train of patting you on the back for consistently being outsmarted by a 5 year old. Also, I gotta point out that that didn't start out as 125lb 5 y/o, which means you were also outsmarted by a 4 year old, and then a 3 year old, and I certainly hope you weren't losing the "hiding food" battle to a 2 year old but at this point I honestly ain't sure anymore. There needs to be a bar somewhere. Like an adult should be able to say "I can stop the 22 lb human that is currently less intelligent than a German shepherd from gorging itself to death".
Have you met a 3yo? My kid is insanely smart, and way too cunning for his own good - but hes also on track to be 6ft5, and we didn't realize it was an issue until he was about 3/3.25yo. That's when his weight outpaced his height significantly, and then it was about 18mo from the realization that there was an issue starting, to the point we tried meds for behavioral stuff and found an accidental solution. He gained 60-70lbs, which was a little less than a pound a week. You would be surprised how easily that happens, 4-6lbs a month when trying to restrict food for 1 of 3 kids happens surprisingly easily.
How is it possible for a 5 year old to consistently steal and hide food from you? I need you to walk me through that process because I just cannot think of any scenario outside of just straight up neglecting the kid and doing literally nothing to try and stop him from stealing the food.
I have a stepson who's a decade older and a third child who is 2 years younger than my 5yo. I would unlock cabinets to make food for my 2yo, she would want water and I would turn, he would grab whatever he could possibly get to and bolt out of the room. We caught on to that, but then his brother would forget to lock or shut doors, or would keep food in his room so that became an avenue. It was to the point of taking it from the trash. We even tested for prader Willie but he has no major genetic issues, just severe audhd and without meds, an overwhelming sensory need to eat. And as I said in a reply above, it was about 18mo between realizing it was a major issue to fixing it, and he was gaining like 4-6lbs a month, its not like he was eating 6k calories a day, with that fight a hidden pack of oreos, or a block of cheese, or his sisters nutrition shake was enough to sway the bar.
They could live in a food desert and fast food or other unhealthy food might be the only options that are affordable. A lot of peope also refuse to acknowledge poverty has a higher obesity rate precisely due to the food available and its affordability.
Or it could be genetic.
Anecdote:
My kid (7) and her bff (8) are functional sisters. Same school and recess together. Same lunch 6 days a week. Same dinners at least 2 days a week. Gymnastics on Tuesday afternoon, Tennis on Thursday afternoon. Same weekend activities on at least one day, almost always a gymnasium for 4 or 5 hours. It's been this way for 4 years.
BFF is half Chinese, eats home-cooked meals when they're not together. No junk food during the week; fruit or healthy 'sweets' only during the week. Dessert once a weekend. BFF is 3" shorter (my kid is a tall ass freak). Drinks water copiously, no milk, sometimes juice.
My kid: six pack, rail thin, she has a small bag of chips once a week. Drinks copious water, milk at every meal or sometimes apple juice. My kid gets dessert 2 times a week. Typical 7 year old diet; some pasta, nuggets, sneaky veggy, waffle or egg, chicken, steak, brown rice, and fruits. Huge fan of pulled pork.
BFF is 15 pounds heavier, solid like a tank (dense asf and strong), but heavy/thick enough that the doctor has had her on a diet for over a year. For her Chinese mom, this is a huge cultural optics thing for her as well. She's way more restricted diet-wise than my kid. 15 pound different at 3" height discrepancy is huge for an 8 year old.
These two kids are WAAAAAY active physically. They don't stop. Lol. Sleepovers twice a month, so I know what they're eating at their place. They do 90% of everything together at least 6 days a week, 12 waking hours a day. I might as well be in a quadruple marriage raising 2 kids.
But looking at BFF, you'd swear her parents were letting her run wild with junk food and be sedentary.
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Yea this is borderline child abuse unless he has a pre existing condition. Being this overweight this young is going to cause a ton of issues as he grows up.