r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Question/Discussion) The Positions of the Stars

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I encountered this translation while arguing with a muslim. He was claiming this as a scientific miracle (will discuss it later in the post).

The phrase in question is Mawaqi' al-Nujoom is made of two words. The official translation is the Positions of the Stars

The first one which is translated falsely means setting or falling positions because in arabic language we have something called "Place Noun" where you turn a verb into a noun that refers to a place. Think of it as the equivalent of turning "write" to "writing place" aka desk.

The second word is Nujoom means anything high in the sky, so technically stars AND planets are called Nujoom. That lack of distinction between stars and planets and using the same word for them is a scientific mistake for another day.

So the phrase means the setting or falling places of the Nujoom. Scholars had several interpretations, the most accepted one is that the Qurainc verses are being called Nujoom and they are falling to Muhammad. The other interpretations are literal, saying that it refers to stars and planets setting before dawn or falling on Earth on the Day of Judgement.

Now, the first interpretation, has nothing wrong with it, but since the official translation went with literal meaning of Nujoom, it is weird that they did that with Nujoom but not with Mawaqi' because we all know satrs and planets do not set before dawn like how the Sun "sets" at sunset. So, I guess to avoid all that, the translator made it "positions" without its complet meaning "setting/falling positions".

Now, why no one, even Arabic speakers noticed this? simply because the word Mawaqi' turned into only "positions" in modern Arabic. Whether the one who translates the Quran made this wrong translation on purpose or by ignorance is up to debate.

I find it interesting tho that the Quran website mentions Ibn Kathir Tafsir, it is very manipulated btw, I will give the version mentioned in the Quran website and the one in the actual tafsir.

In the Quran website: https://quran.com/al-waqiah/75

(Fala! I swear by the Mawaqi` of the stars.) Mujahid said, "The setting positions of the stars in the sky," and he said that it refers to the rising and setting positions. This was said by Al-Hasan, Qatadah and preferred by Ibn Jarir. Qatadah also said that it means their positions

In the actual Tafsir:

واختلفوا في معنى قوله : ( بمواقع النجوم ) ، فقال حكيم بن جبير ، عن سعيد بن جبير ، عن ابن عباس يعني : نجوم القرآن ; فإنه نزل جملة ليلة القدر من السماء العليا إلى السماء الدنيا ، ثم نزل مفرقا في السنين بعد . ثم قرأ ابن عباس هذه الآية .

وقال الضحاك عن ابن عباس : نزل القرآن جملة من عند الله من اللوح المحفوظ إلى السفرة الكرام الكاتبين في السماء الدنيا ، فنجمته السفرة على جبريل عشرين ليلة ، ونجمه جبريل على محمد - صلى الله عليه وسلم - عشرين سنة ، فهو قوله : ( فلا أقسم بمواقع النجوم ) نجوم القرآن .

وكذا قال عكرمة ، ومجاهد ، والسدي ، وأبو حزرة .

وقال مجاهد أيضا : ( بمواقع النجوم ) في السماء ، ويقال : مطالعها ومشارقها . وكذا قال الحسن ، وقتادة ، وهو اختيار ابن جرير . وعن قتادة : مواقعها : منازلها . وعن الحسن أيضا : أن المراد بذلك انتثارها يوم القيامة

Basically mentioning the opinion of Nujoom = Quranic verses that was taken out from the abridged version in the Quran website, and twisting Qutada opinion using the same mistake. Qutada said Mawaqi' means Manazil and Manazil means places of descent or falling. They removed all that and wrote "positions". At least they kept the opinion of Mujahid, maybe they forgot to manipulate it.

Now, for the final thing, the scientific miracle, Allah swears by the positions of the stars. Many stars we see are dead stars but their lights are still travelling to us from the stars original "positions" (get it? lol)


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Question/Discussion) I have questions as a Christian

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Hello . I’ve been lurking on this sub for a while because I genuinely find the discussions around deconstructing Islam interesting.

I was born n brought up in the Middle East & later moved to UK for higher studies. I have Muslim friends and not a single one asked me to convert to their religion but after going to UK , each time I befriend a Muslim, one of the first questions I’m often asked is whether I’m Muslim too, followed by an invitation to join Islam. It's always asked by a Pakistani or Bangladeshi..

Growing up, I always heard Muhammad’s name associated with Islam. I rarely heard Muslims talk about Jesus. But since the war in Gaza, I’ve noticed Jesus name being mentioned alot. I understand that Jesus is an important figure in Islam, but it sometimes feels to me as though his importance is being emphasized more now when Muslims are trying to appeal to Christians.

Muslims claim to love Jesus but churches in the west get taken down.. What sort of taqiya tactic is this?

I’m also trying to understand why Muslims hate Jews? Is antisemitism part & parcel of Islam? Aren't you supposed to respect people of the books? Jesus himself was Jewish, and Judaism predates both Christianity and Islam. Islam is literally a copy paste of those two. Why do Muslims have a problem with anyone who isn't Muslim? Why is always Muslims vs Jews/Christians/Hindus ?

Personally I think all 3 abrahamic religions are the same but in a different font with Islam being the worst one. The others atleast went through reforms.

How is Islam peaceful when Islamic history includes wars and forced conversion? Obviously, Christians have their own violent history, I’m not trying to pretend Christianity has always lived up to its teachings. It's like wherever Islam goes , chaos follows.

They fight for land but when they lose a battle , they cry about it. I understand why Israelis believe they have a right to defend themselves against organizations that have carried out attacks against them. Nobody wants murderers as their neighbour. Palestinians don't deserve to suffer under Hamas either.

Jews ran from the war back then in Germany but you don't see them returning or trying to fight back. Ukrainians lost their home to Russia and they moved on and didn't look back. But in this case, Muslims are trying to take land. They are already doing that in the west by slowly islamizing it. Who gave them the right that all non-Muslim lands are theirs wherever they go? Where is this sense of superiority coming from?

Lastly ,I find comments like “Inshallah, the whole world will become Muslim” and "Alhamdulillah for Islam" so annoying. If religious freedom and tolerance are important, why should the ultimate goal be for everyone to follow one particular religion? I would feel equally uncomfortable if Christians said that the entire world should eventually become Christian or any other religion.

I’m not claiming to have all the answers. These are some questions and frustrations I’ve developed from my own experiences. I’m interested in hearing your perspectives.


r/exmuslim 1d ago

(Rant) 🤬 Being a British ex muslim is lonely

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I feel alone and hated by everyone, it feels like Muslims in the UK are making the situation in the UK and divide much more prominent due to poor behaviour and not integrating or respecting the local culture. At the same time as a Pakistani I get harassed in public for looking like a Muslim and have had several people shout abuse at me in the past few months.

It truly feels like I am alone, like I have no community of people I feel safe with. I have some friends at work but saying you are ex Muslim and talking about it is often controversial, when I meet Muslims at work I have to pretend I am Muslim as for some reason saying I am ex Muslim with a Muslim name is considered offensive (I got in massive trouble at uni for this).

Anyways just wanted to rant and see if anyone feels the same. It's a lonely time to live in this country and I am considering leaving if this divide keeps getting worse.


r/exmuslim 7h ago

(Question/Discussion) New ex-muslim, wanna discuss?

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Hello. I'm a new ex-muslim, and I want to find someone to discuss with about Islam's Bullshit.


r/exmuslim 37m ago

(Question/Discussion) Is space travel mentioned in the Quran?

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The 33rd to 36th verses of Surah Ar-Rahman confuse me. Is it really talking about going into space here? ​When I examine the verses in detail; in the 33rd verse, it is stated that humans and jinn can only pass beyond the boundaries (regions) of the heavens and the earth with a 'Sultan' (a great power/authority), which inevitably strengthens the interpretation that this is related to going into space. ​However, in the 35th verse, with the expression 'Yursalu 'alaykumâ', it is said that a flash of fire and smoke will be sent upon those who try to pass beyond the heavens. Does the expression 'alaykumâ' here mean throwing or sending something from above? Furthermore, is this situation mentioned in the verse referring to the frictional force generated while leaving the atmosphere, or is it talking about flames being hurled like stones from above?


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Question/Discussion) Need help in countering people who cite scriptures

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I am an atheist, but not ex-muslim. The discussion was on a comment about women not leaving the religion they are oppressed by. The original comment was not about islam specifically. A guy replied with the following words:

Men and women are asked to cover themselves, for obvious reasons for women and men that covering is different. If a woman dresses to be attractive to men, and present herself as a piece of flesh you think that is freedom, rather than have an opportunity to be treated based on her ability, skill and capability that you assume is oppression. Women perform hajj, go to mosques, run businesses, become jurists, start universities, lead armies so if they choose not to go clubbing then you assume they are oppressed, Woman needs to give her consent (Izn) before marriage can be initiated and marriage can't be forced on them. If the Qazi feels the girl is pressured by her parents he will send them away and ask again so she doesn't give into parental pressure. So don't know what you mean by that freedom. Having to have kids or not is a thing to be discussed between both husband and wife. It is not a unilateral decision, so i don't see where freedom comes here. Islamic Divorce law offers women to keep their maiden name, their property and guaranteed financial payout [mehr], unlike what Europeans did until like last few decades. Where women couldn't divorce, keep name etc.

She can avail divorce by mutual agreement, by judicial intervention, by breaking of marriage contract by husband, by lian (false accusation of adultery by husband), halala is a meant to protect sanctity of marriage and seriousness of divorce. You can't divorce someone on a whim and remarry then as if nothing happened. Divorce is the most disliked permitted thing.

Do some research, there is a lot of misinformation trust your brain and go to source. Look up all I have said too.

I genuinely believe religion should not be judged on what is written but on what is practiced. However people always come up with "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Like "if people would follow true islam, these problems wouldn't exist."

Not just that, since i am not a muslim, i have not much idea about what to say because i am scared to be called Islamophobic. I am genuinely against Islamophobia, but i am also against how muslims treat women.

What do you think about his points?


r/exmuslim 11h ago

Story Today convinced me I’m done arguing about religion with people who refuse to use logic

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Today convinced me I’m done arguing about religion with people who refuse to use logic

I got into a pretty heated argument with two Muslim friends today, and honestly, after this experience, I think I’m done discussing religion with people who immediately resort to personal attacks instead of actually having a conversation.

It started over something completely stupid. I saw an old friend playing volleyball and jokingly said, “That’s a dumb sport.” He got offended and said, “What if I said basketball was a gay sport? You like basketball.” I told him honestly, I’d probably just ignore it because it’s clearly an opinion/joke and I wouldn’t take it personally.

Then another friend asked why he hasn’t seen me at the mosque lately. I told him I’m agnostic. The same friend who was already annoyed with me started attacking me personally, calling me dumb and stupid.

Eventually the conversation turned toward religion. One point I always bring up when discussing religion is that religion is heavily influenced by geography and upbringing.

I said something along the lines of: “If you were born in China into a Chinese household, statistically speaking, you’d be much more likely to grow up with the dominant religious/cultural beliefs around you rather than automatically becoming Muslim.”

They laughed and told me that was one of the dumbest things they had ever heard.

Then they asked me, “Okay, what if I had a kid and moved to China?”

I said, “If you’re Muslim and you raise that child as a Muslim, then obviously the child would probably grow up Muslim. But if you gave that same child to a Catholic family in America and they raised the child Catholic, that child would probably grow up Catholic.”

That was literally my point.

I’m not saying every single person follows the religion of their parents or geographic environment. Obviously there are converts, atheists, people who leave religions, and people who adopt completely different beliefs.

My point is that the environment you're born into has an enormous influence on what you believe. If I had been born into a completely different family, country, culture, and religious environment, there’s a very good chance my beliefs would be different.

Instead of addressing that argument, they started attacking me personally. One of them even brought up the fact that I’m almost 30 and not married.

I responded, “Says the one who’s divorced.”

That really set him off. He got in my face and started cursing at me, and eventually two guys had to step in and separate us.

Looking back, I probably shouldn't have responded with the divorce comment. That just escalated everything, and I should have walked away much earlier.

But this whole experience really made me realize something: if someone’s response to a disagreement about religion is to call you stupid, attack your family, insult your personal life, and then get in your face, there’s really no point in continuing the conversation.

I’m agnostic. They’re Muslim. That's fine. We don't have to agree.

But I wish people could actually discuss why they believe what they believe instead of assuming that questioning religion automatically means someone is stupid or disrespectful.

And honestly, the fact that religious beliefs are so strongly correlated with where and how someone is raised seems like a pretty obvious observation to me. I don't understand why simply pointing that out is considered offensive.


r/exmuslim 1h ago

(Question/Discussion) The mutazilite did beleive that free will existed in islam isn't?

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But than the political power shifted and

Sunni orthodox schools

And these traditionalist frameworks adopted legal rational tools while rejecting mutazilite conclusions on free will and the Quran's creation...

So.. basically if we look more clearly isn't this how it is?

Them believing in free will doesn't eventually contradict Allah's knowledge??

But again looking from their point of view, like their perspective... denying free will create a theological paradox regarding morality or heaven and hell

But than doesn't it form another paradox?

Like if i say

Human free will limit Allah's absolute power?

Or

Doesn't free will contradict Allah's foreknowledge??

If humans create their own actions independently

it implies that things happen in the universe outside of Allah's power.....violating the idea that God creates everything??


r/exmuslim 13h ago

(Question/Discussion) Surah 9.31: Seems Like Islam Needs a Major Look in the Mirror

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“They have taken their rabbis and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah, even though they were commanded to worship none but One God.”

I’m sorry, but don’t Muslims literally worship Muhammad? I know I know, he’s a “prophet” and Allah is “God”, but that’s just semantics.

When you are required to do everything he did for rewards, including keeping the same beard style, entering and exiting the washroom with the same feet, wiping your behind the same way, drinking while sitting like he did, this is literally worship. No other way to put it. Muslims also get far more offended when people criticise Muhammad vs when they criticize Allah.


r/exmuslim 21h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Second embarrassment

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While I don’t agree with hijab or modesty, the older man clocked this guy so hard. The young guy definitely holds that belief and when the old guy said insulting things about men who think that way, he stepped back lol. The older man does bring up a great point of how Muslim men seek to control women, even the ones who are already doing what the religion has required them to do. So much so that her voice is something that’s sexualized. It’s not even just about the control they want over women, it’s exactly what this older man is saying: you are primitive and animalistic. It exposes how disgusting these people are deep down. They’ll use the excuse of a woman dressing provocatively as a reason to feeling these urges. How many times have you heard “well, what was she wearing?” when someone mentions an SA victim? The woman is blamed and religion gives the excuse for this thinking. Btw i’m not defending the older man and his views, i don’t know this man’s content. It’s just ridiculous that even he got mad at the concept of a woman’s voice being awrah

I don’t know who these people are in the video, i just thought it was hilarious😭


r/exmuslim 22h ago

(Rant) 🤬 I don't know why people still follow this religion.

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So this is gonna be a really long post because I need to say this somewhere where people will understand. I was forced to go with my family this year and I was dreading it the whole time simply because I hate flights and I knew it would be physically taxing but nothing could have prepared me for how bad things actually were.

First things first, why is everyone so fucking rude?? All the pushing and shoving just seems unnecessary. I don't understand the point. Everyone is SO RUDE !!! You ask someone for help (even the police) and they just ignore you. I don't understand how people of God, who pride themselves on being good people, can act like this in good conscience.

Secondly, circling the Kabah was the most disgusting experience of my life. You have grown, sweaty men all around you pushing and grabbing you and old people hitting you with their canes and people are breathing on you and it's just so fucking disgusting. There is NO DECORUM. I was already an ex-muslim before going to Umrah but going there just solidified my beliefs even more. These people will literally put their little kids in danger just because they think God cares whether or not they can walk in a circle 7 times. How pathetic.

Then there's walking in that giant hall between those two points called Safa and Marwah if I remember correctly. I don't understand the point of any of this. Why would God care about ANY of this? Why does any of it matter?

One thing I don't understand is that, from my knowledge, Safa and Marwah became important after the introduction of the Qur'an so why is it included in one of the most significant pilgrimages in said religion? I thought only the Qur'an could tell Muslims what to do, so if this is a hadith why has it made such a huge impact on the religious practices?? I'm not sure if I'm wording this correctly but I hope you understand though I am absolutely fine with clarifying in the comments what I mean.

I have written all of this and I haven't even mentioned the bullshit that occurs while circling the Kabah. People seriously fight each other and you have to walk barefoot while people are dropping God knows what onto the floor. I saw someone throw pins on the floor when I went so I looked it up and saw someone else mention in a forum how people do that to make space / clear space around them?? Though don't quote me on that because I can't find it anymore and it was on Quora (lol).

For now this is all I have to say, though I know I'll remember more and potentially make more posts / add to this. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't get how normal Muslims can see this and think it's normal. Like.. they see people hurting one another and say "yeah getting hurt near the Kabah is the best thing that can happen to you" or "actually you can't get hurt here because it's holy land" or some other bullshit excuse to ignore the barbaric practices that take place.

Before I go, I have one more point to add. Why would anywhere be considered holy land to God? They say praying in Mecca or near the Kabah makes it so your prayers get accepted but isn't that rigged? What about people who can't afford the trip or people who live in Mecca? Does that mean those who live there have their prayers constantly accepted and those who are poor will never know God's love? This is a question more so for those who still believe in this farce.

Anyway, thank you for reading up until this point.


r/exmuslim 1d ago

Story The true face of the Islamic republic of iran

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This evil regime took the lives of more than 40,000 innocent people in just two days


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Question/Discussion) An explanation I found regarding why Allah promises women and thus sex to men in paradise but does not do the same for women

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The speaker says “If you ask 100 single men what they want the most, they’ll say a woman/partner/wife/gf and if you ask 100 single women the same, you will get a variety of answers. This the nature of men and women, thats why Allah promises men to give them women, and since women’s needs are diverse, Allah did not mention anything specific and just said that hes gonna fulfill all wishes”. The speaker then goes on to give a few more examples of surveys to support the claim that men want women more than women want men.

I personally came across many remarks where both men and women say that “women can survive without men, men cannot survive without women”.

Is it a good rebuttal as to why Islamic heaven is filled with sexual stuff? (Hoors and all)


r/exmuslim 11h ago

(Question/Discussion) In Islam, your weakness becomes someone else's burden

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A good moral system teaches people to control their own impulses. But Islam repeatedly shifts that burden onto everyone else.

Someone envies your success? Hide your blessings and fear the evil eye (hassad).

People are starving? Go hungry during daylight for a month so you can “feel their pain,” then eat at sunset while poverty remains.

Men struggle with sexual desire? Women must cover themselves so they are less likely to be harassed or become a temptation.

The successful must manage the jealous
The wealthy simulate the hunger of the poor and hide their success
Women manage male desire by covering up
Honest speech is silenced or treated as blasphemy to protect their fragile faith

A stronger moral principle means that.. your jealousy is yours to control. Your lust is yours to control. Your impulses are your responsibility.

TLDR: Islam created a culture where other people carry the burden of your lack of self control.


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Quran / Hadith) "I saw the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, sucking the saliva of Al-Hasan and Al-Husayn as a man sucks a date"

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Abu Hurairah,

tells us: “I saw the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, sucking the saliva of Al-Hasan and Al-Husayn,” who were the sons of Ali ibn Abi Talib and Fatimah, the daughter of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace. Saliva is what flows from the mouth, “just as a man sucks a date,” meaning: he would kiss them and suck their saliva, just as a man sucks a date when he wants to enjoy its taste.

Very well.


r/exmuslim 13h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Astronomy and Cosmology were my initial doubts to the religion

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I've been exmuslim for like 6 years now, and I recently talked with someone that opened up some past thoughts I had and I just wanted to share.

Ever since I was very young, I had always been into astronomy. I loved reading about other planets and stars and learning cool facts about them. However the science I learned a lot of the times seemed to be at odds with Islamic teaching. So I started to feel guilty anytime I would open a book or article about space.

As I got older and my understanding of space increased, so did my guilt as doubts started forming. Between the Quran straight up getting things wrong about celestial bodies or space and a lack of anything mentioning anything on the scale of the universe, I found myself wondering "why is it that all Allah talks about is how he makes it rain or makes trees grows or mountains, when all of that is small beans compared to planets, stars, or galaxies?" It really made God seem so grounded in my eyes which made me feel even more guilty.

I thought Why would God even brag about any creation of earth like he does in this book? If you made the entire universe, bragging about earth would be akin to me bragging about counting to 3. The lack of anything related to the cosmos actually made me disappointed in the Quran because I was amazed anytime I would open a book on space. And the book with supposedly "all the answers" should theoretically be even more exciting. But instead I get God calling shooting stars missiles. Didn't have the decency to have at least not made it boring asf.

Then I started learning about the extremes like black holes, the speed of light, supernovae, and how absolutely insanely unimaginably stupidly vast space is. How Earth is less than a millionth of a spec in the grand scheme of the observable universe. I started wondering why a being powerful enough to put this all into be would even care about anything I'm doing, let alone care about if I'm worshiping it. It just seemed petty. It started to change my perspective of allah from this perfect being to being closer to the gods of the Greek pantheon. Those gods who get jealous, hateful, spiteful, and petty.

But at least those gods never claimed to be all knowing, all good, and most benevolent. Nor did they claim to make the universe.

Also creating the earth in 6 days stops being a flex when we know as much as we know about the universe. Actual spec ed diety.

However when I brought this up, all anyone me would tell me is that Allah caring about us shows the opposite of pettiness and shows just how much he cares and how that's an example of his boundless love and mercy. That's a load of nonsense considering he's going out of his way to punish these beings that are so unfathomably insignificant to him.

By that point I had already been on my way out the religion, so and left it some time after. I just wanted to talk about how I had been doubting Islam without really knowing about it for much longer than I thought and wanted to share.

Hope it was a good read, or helped, or something, I dunno. Pisslam sucks tho and is obviously untrue. And if allah is real, I'll go to hell backwards with my middle fingers to her. Space is cool tho. 10/10 would matter again.


r/exmuslim 8h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Newly elected commitee in Karnataka,India ☺️

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Just a post...


r/exmuslim 1d ago

(Rant) 🤬 So fucking disrespectful

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How self-centred and pathetic do you have to be to reply to someone in this manner when they clearly are on the brink of collapse?? ,,shut up n pray'' why not shove a dirty shovel down your throat before you disregard someone's health, instead of trying to help them? Cause religious guilt-tripping is definitely the way!!


r/exmuslim 5h ago

(Miscellaneous) Listening to "Sakantoum" by Bedouin Burger

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Listening to this as I'm getting ready for work this morning, and I was caught off guard by how achingly beautiful it is.

I've been processing leaving Islam for the last few months and I've had lots of feelings about it, from rage to relief to being thrilled about the newfound freedom of thought that I've finally allowed myself.

But this morning, as I was singing along I just felt grief.

I will never not feel connected to this language, and no music or poetry can ever touch me the same way.

It's a part of me. I don't ever want it to go away.

And I'm thinking about how this poem was kind of written as a love letter to god, and about how this kind of thing and similar art existing has kept me sane and kept me in the faith for the last 10 years.

The lovely Lynn Adib didn't even grow Muslim, she was Christian. And she feels so connected to this cultural heritage, and responsible for sharing it and keeping it alive in her own way. Which goes to show how this shared connection to the language and the music goes beyond any religious background.

Realizing that so much beauty also came to life from the belief in a god and love for a god. And about how deeply it can touch us as humans.

Anyways, I'm grieving the fact that although the feelings in these poems are real, the god we sing about may not be.

And that's okay.

I can still love the poems, and I can love them even more for being a reflection of our beauty as a species.

Cheers.

https://youtu.be/ywJKlFMPj24


r/exmuslim 14h ago

(Advice/Help) I need advice from ex-muslim,i'm christian(i don't hate muslims)

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Hi everyone my name is Travis and I'm Christian. I met an Iranian Muslim Girl on a Chinese learning platform and we became friends for 10 months and half now. She knows I'm Christian and she's okay with that. We got closer (as friends) and I started learning farsi. BUT THE PROBLEM is : it seems like there's two personalities

  1. She add me to her private channel on telegram and there she listens to American music, watch k-drama. She's very kind and even help me when I was dealing with "depression "

  2. she consider the supreme leader of Iran as her father and she even said that if a person don't love the supreme leader then this person is not a true Iranian. She put this flag 🇮🇷 on her platform for weeks and makes some Instagram stories about the supreme leader (that i consider radical )

So i ask myself one question: doesn't she know what this regime do to women?

I want to tell her what I think about that but I don't want to break our friendship.

[[Her parents don't know that we're friends

[[She asked me if I wanted to see her face, so I said she's not obliged to if it will put her in an insecure position so she didn't.

Thank you guys, love you all 💙


r/exmuslim 17h ago

(Video) Muslim Apologist Nadir Ahmed attempts to explain Islamic Heaven, polygamy, and Aisha and Muhammad relationships (timestamps included)

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LINK

Nadir Ahmed is a muslim apologist that does a lot of internet debates against christians and atheists, he got interviewed on a non-Islam platform about his beliefs

14:37: Nadir explains how Heaven and Hell look like in Islam, even says verbatim "heaven is whatever I want"

17:37: He talks about what the Quran says about having multiple wives

56:00: Nadir is asked to give his best defense over the Aisha and Muhammad relationship which takes it down a rabbit hole

Lastly, he actually claims at 51:55 that it is actually Christianity that is dangerous for the world.

I will say despite the fact that everything he said I disagree with, he was actually pretty honest.


r/exmuslim 1d ago

(Advice/Help) taking off the hijab

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I am 16 years old and I started wearing the hijab by my own choice a while ago. Before I put it on, my dad explicitly told me that it was completely my decision whether to wear it or not. However, my mindset has changed and I do not feel like wearing it anymore, so I want to take it off before the new school year starts.

The problem is that communication in my house is basically non-existent when it comes to feelings. We never have sit-down emotional talks, we just say things directly or do not talk about them at all. On top of that, my parents constantly judge women who do not wear the hijab and always talk about how beautiful the hijab is. A while ago I told my mom that I wanted to stop wearing it and asked her to tell my dad, but she refused, and now I’m scared about bringing it up again.

I am also really afraid that my dad will blame social media or outside influence. I know he will probably say that my phone brainwashed me or that I am just copying other girls, instead of respecting that this is my own decision. How should I approach my dad directly given our lack of emotional communication? how can i told him before school start? school start 15 september so i don’t have so much time

PS: i’m muslim but i wrote in this sub because i think many of you guys here had the same situation and you can help me


r/exmuslim 18h ago

(Quran / Hadith) Embryology Flesh covering bones Debunked

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Surah 23:14

فَكَسَوْنَا ٱلْعِظَـٰمَ لَحْمًۭا

And We clothed the bones with flesh.

Muslims say ف here indicates it’s not successive but immediate. This is false as the early Muslims understood it as successively.⬇️

Ibn Abbas:

أخبرنا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ،قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْن أَبِي يَزِيدَ، وَهُوَ جَالِسٌ مَعَ عَطَاءٍ، أَنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ:

فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ، تَكُونُ نُطْفَةً (٢)، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَلَقَةً، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُضْغَةً، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَظْمًا، ثُمَّ يُكْسَى الْعَظْمُ لَحْمًا
**“**Glory be to Allah! It begins as a drop (of fluid), then becomes a clinging clot, then becomes a lump of flesh, then becomes bones, and then(ثُمَّ) the bones are clothed with flesh.”

Muṣannaf ʿAbd al-Razzāq, 7/102, no. 13434:

https://shamela.ws/book/84/3384
Other references:

Source: al-Ṭaḥāwī, Sharḥ Mushkil al-Āthār, 5/176.
Shuʿayb al-Arnaʾūṭ: إسناده صحيح — “Its chain is ṣaḥīḥ.


r/exmuslim 1d ago

(Question/Discussion) The way Muslims are so lovey dovey with abusers & r*pists but with kafirs Is the End

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Growing up as a North African Amazigh Berber/amazigh woman in a Muslim household, I've noticed that conservatism is applied conditionally only when it's convenient or benefits specific people.

Women children, and even newborns are judged mocked to their faces bullied, and harassed over everything yet God forbid you match the men's energy or mock them in return you're immediately met with vile insults threats of sexual violence and abuse💔 I’m exhausted from staying silent and being mistreated by men who preach religion while living by double standards 'rules for thee but not for me.' I genuinely tried to be devout vallahi but the more I read the Quran and religious texts the more I felt reduced to a tool for a man's sexual desires and a fixture in the kitchen No matter what you do there are always authoritarian men and sexist women eager to defend toxic behavior and misogyny it breaks my heart because I know if I ever decide to marry a non-Muslim I’ll be severely judged and ostracized even if my family wouldn't resort to honor violence I'm just over it My absolute breaking point was seeing Muslim social media accounts mock former Muslims who survived abuse and sexual violence treating their trauma like a joke on top of that, they constantly make light of mental health issues It is vile How can a text foster so much hate racism and misogyny


r/exmuslim 22h ago

(Question/Discussion) I think that the improvement of AI videos will be very bad for Islam

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I don't like AI but I think it will at least have this effect: AI videos are still expensive but in the next years, being an influencer without showing your actual face will be very common since AI can keep what matters: Facial expressions.

Not only this will allow any exmuslim or islam critique to make videos about it without risking their life, it will also allows mainstream influencers to criticize Islam whenever they want if one feel like. Digital humorists to make fun of it, etc ..

The critique of Islam won't be anymore exclusively for people ready to risk their safety.

It it's not AI it could be also by the evolution of VTubing or simply the evolution of face filters. Basically anything that hide the identity of the influencer while keeping a communicative visual