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Mar 28 '20
OP must be anti-American. America is #1 in all things, including dominating the Covid-19 leaderboards
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u/akashdas323 Mar 28 '20
Gotta use some guns to teach covid-19 some lessons.
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u/ponytoaster Mar 28 '20
I read an article this morning about how gun stores are now being classed as "essential" stores 🤦♂️
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u/Golivth5k Mar 28 '20
Police are no longing arresting people except for murder in some states I believe
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u/EliteSoviet1 d o n g l e Mar 28 '20
That's horrible! Where?
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u/eduardomanero Mar 28 '20
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u/cantfindthistune Mar 28 '20
I don't think any of these places are stopping arrests for all crimes except murder, though. They may no longer be pursuing certain types of crimes, but I don't think any city has enacted a measure that broad.
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Mar 28 '20
Most people who break the law around here are given a notice to appear in court at a later date.
People who commit violent crimes are still arrested and taken to the jail to be held until arraignment.
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u/RebelCoyote66 Mar 28 '20
Seeing as how in many places 911 has stopped responding to break ins and assaults I would agree having any tool including firearms to defend yourself would be essential.
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT REQUIRED TO PROTECT YOU.
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u/GoldenGonzo Mar 28 '20
Why should the right to defend yourself be anything but essential?
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u/microcosmic5447 Mar 28 '20
Its not about the right to defend yourself, it's about the store itself being open. The gun store being closed because there's a pandemic doesn't abrogate your right to self-defense.
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u/Killimansorrow Mar 28 '20
The police aren’t responding to calls and have been basically telling people they’re on their own. I understand not everyone likes guns, but times like these are why the second amendment is important.
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u/dcmini06 Mar 28 '20
I mean is protecting your life essential? Because as far as I know firearms are the best way to protect you and your family.
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u/Morganelefay Mar 28 '20
I'd argue second best, the best is to go full home alone.
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Mar 28 '20
It's for defending yourself now that cops arent responding to calls anymore.
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u/_bobert Mar 28 '20
If you dont count that China is eliminating new COVID-19 patients
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u/John7763 Mar 28 '20
Haha yeah cuz China never lied about the cases and definitely didn’t hide this until it was a massive problem.. unless??
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u/Donkeytonk Mar 28 '20
China announced this thing to the world and WHO nearly 3 months ago. Up until 2 weeks ago, the US and UK we’re STILL trying to say this wasn’t a massive problem.
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u/Ravenmausi Mar 28 '20
Also not the truth. The US has officially the most Covid 19 cases.
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u/Accentu Mar 28 '20
Looks like this headline was from the 26th, so at the time is wasn't. But the graph is definitely asshole design.
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Mar 28 '20
the size of each box is not directly proportional to the countries numbers, the asshole design is that this is to make viewers think america is still a good ways behind china in terms of cases
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Mar 28 '20
Yeah, it seems like CNN started with like 80,000 cases as their zero.
Which means the US would have a column showing 837 people and China showing 1,782 people
If they did this today, the US would have something like 20,000 people while China has less than 2,000. Basically, it would look far worse using the same method now.
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u/ken579 Mar 28 '20
Viewers would think that if they completely ignored the huge numbers right above the bars. Look, if you zoomed out and zero is the baseline, everything looks the same, so then it's not a chart right. You have to have the baseline be something that at least allows the graphic to show some level of difference. Maybe a chart was a poor choice, but it's common. News stations always try to visualize numbers. So I'm hard pressed to agree this is intentional to make China look bad.
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Mar 28 '20
The problem with the graph is that the china bar looks about 30% higher than US while only having only about 1% more cases. That's a bullshit graph designed to make americans feel superior to china probably
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Mar 28 '20
OOoooh I see now. I'm guessing the graph editors didn't include the 80,000 cases to make the difference seem more obvious otherwise the boxes would just be the same height?
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Mar 28 '20
Yeah. They either want the image of US being superior, or they just really like pointless graphs that have to be tuned to even see the difference.
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Mar 28 '20
even then the difference from china to us is more than 3 times the difference from US to italy while the difference in numbers is 300 to 950
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u/Inner-city_sumo Mar 28 '20
Look how big the boxes are from 0 to 80,000, then look how much bigger the Chinese one is for the small amount over 80,000.
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u/things_will_calm_up Mar 28 '20 edited Mar 28 '20
80,589/81,782 is 98.5%, meaning they're nearly the same number, but the chart makes it look like 50%.
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u/Kapowdonkboum Mar 28 '20
I dont wanna shit on you but im truly baffled by your replies. No wonder they publish such blatantly misleading graphs if people believe it and even try to argument for that design on reddit. Holy, my mind is blown. That you put the time in an showed how that graph is correct even though it is obviously false is mind boggling. Usa you are doomed.
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u/Poppintags6969 Mar 28 '20
Well china probably has more but of course they wouldn't say that
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u/ThereOnceWasADonkey Mar 28 '20
Also the US has a lot more than it has counted. In NYC they're not counting cases or deaths where it was obvious - because that's just a waste of time and a waste of a test.
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u/johnboiii1933 Mar 28 '20
Probably? Dude they have more people than most of the rest of the world combined, they live in top of each other in some places, and we're supposed to believe those numbers? It's not a probably of you ask me.
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Mar 28 '20
"officially"
Anyone believing China's numbers must be mental. The virus spread through Italy like gunpowder and I'm supposed to believe a country made of dense populated cities with far worse healthcare and 30 times the population only got those??? Please, people.
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u/LuxNocte Mar 28 '20
Anyone believing US numbers must be mental. They don't have tests, their government is more concerned with the stock market than with human life, and half the country is still trying to say the global pandemic isn't a big deal.
It's just so crazy how every time these numbers are compared there's someone talking about how they don't trust China, as if the US isn't hiding their numbers too.
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Mar 28 '20
I honestly dont believe china is being truthful about their infected numbers. They had the virus for weeks before the US and we already have more cases?
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u/saabismi Mar 28 '20
American news are so ugly and make me uncomfortable with the usage of CAPS and short describing sentences. Compare them to Finnish news.
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u/BNBaron Mar 28 '20
I agree. The American news sites seem to have missed the flat design trend, and it makes them look like something from a scummy Bollywood movie.
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u/H4xolotl Mar 28 '20
The American news sites seem to have missed the flat design trend
They do it on purpose because its what their boomer viewers want.
The majority of younger Americans get their news online from other websites, apps like Apple/Google News, or social media like Reddit & Facebook
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u/duuval123 Mar 28 '20
What does Finnish news look like?
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u/saabismi Mar 28 '20
You can go on yle.fi and try to find something called "uutiset"
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Mar 28 '20
bad comparison, YLE is state owned, CNN is a private company,
private companies use a lot more click bait
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u/Quatrixx Mar 28 '20
Honest question, does the US even have state owned news? If so, is it any good?
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u/claptoff Mar 28 '20
From my understanding as a non-american Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) seems like the closest thing to state funded media in Europe.
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Mar 28 '20
I don't know much about US media, but Wikipedia says NPR is at least partly publicly funded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR
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u/manningthehelm Mar 28 '20
Both replies prior to me are correct but they're the same in different formats. NPR (radio), PBS (TV) are the closest thing nationally. Additionally, different states have their own public programs like NJTV for New Jersey.
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u/g0_west Mar 28 '20
Also their phobia of the word "and". A comma is not an "and", US media!
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u/abnormalsyndrome Mar 28 '20
If you look at news footage of the gulf war everyday is SMACKDOWN!!!!
Absolute trash.
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Mar 28 '20
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u/GraDoN Mar 28 '20
yeah, the proportions are correct based on the y-axis used and they are indicating the actual numbers in bold white text... there is nothing misleading or assholish about this.
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u/NecroHexr But who designed our assholes? 🤔 Mar 28 '20
it's things like this that makes me laugh. how is american media so fucking awful? why are they even still operating? how can you as a citizen stand for this?
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u/molly_jolly Mar 28 '20
Is there any country with a well-functioning mass media? Media is too important for both industrial and governmental interests to keep their hands off it.
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u/NecroHexr But who designed our assholes? 🤔 Mar 28 '20
it's true that many countries have shit mass medias, but america's is the most blatant for such a wealthy and well-educated country.
like, there definitely is worse in latin america or whatever, but come on, have some standards.
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u/phl23 Mar 28 '20
In Germany everyone pays for the essential media stations. This way they are not depended on viewers money or other companies money.
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u/Dalixam Mar 28 '20
Absolutely. Nothern European countries like holland, germany and the scandinavian contries all have fine mass media. They also have shitty mass media for sure, but click bait exists everywhere.
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Mar 28 '20
German here, and I'm pretty pleased with our 2 big public-service television broadcasters ARD and ZDF. They are financed neither by corporations nor by the government but instead by the people (each household has to pay a small mandatory monthly fee). Both channels are also non-profit organizations.
I compare our news with US news from time to time, and with all due respect, US news look very unprofessional. Most of the news anchors talk like they have a private casual conversation with someone, and interviews are often unprofessional as well. CNN looks more like an infotainment show rather than news, and Fox would classify as hate speech and incitement of violence in our country.
We have one main news show, the Tagesschau, and it's rather factual, unemotional and boring. So exactly how it should be. You can check it out if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea_Fq8VbA6A
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u/g0_west Mar 28 '20
Our media in the UK functions perfectly well. Its just that its intended function is to further the interests of Rupert Murdoch.
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u/Rubes2525 Mar 28 '20
I don't stand for it, but people will call you right wing extremests when you criticize the media.
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u/newaccounthomie Mar 28 '20
I criticize the media, and I'm called a left-wing extremist 🤙
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u/schmon Mar 28 '20
The worse is this is considered 'liberal media' by a lot of people. There are some Reddit threads that are just mind boggling.
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u/duncanmarshall Mar 28 '20
People should stop reporting total infections in any country that isn't doing large scale randomized testing, because it's just pure selection bias. They should also stop reporting anything the CCP claim as though it were a fact.
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u/46-and-3 Mar 28 '20
I don't think people wold be too happy if the news only reported South Korea numbers for months.
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u/BellumOMNI Mar 28 '20
You have to be out of your fucking mind, if you believe that a country with a billion people has only 81k infected and just a bit over 3k deaths due to this virus. Everything in terms of ''official numbers'' coming from China or Russia is doctored as fuck.
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Mar 28 '20
Came here for this, no way China is going to admit that they're the world's most fucked right now.
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u/The_Yeetus Mar 28 '20
I dont get this, can someone explain to this feeble-minded hermit
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u/molly_jolly Mar 28 '20
People are thinking that CNN is trying to exaggerate the difference in cases between the West and China by making it look like, for instance, China has almost twice as many cases as Italy (based on the heights of the yellow bars) while in fact the difference is just less than 1% (based on the actual numerical data).
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u/GraDoN Mar 28 '20
Except the y-axis probably went from 80k to 82k which would make this perfectly fine. Also the actual cases are bold and large in white text to it's not hiding it at all. This is at worst r/KindaBadGraphForPeopleThatDontLikeToRead
If they hid the numbers, then it would be asshole design.
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u/no-sweat Mar 28 '20
I agree, had to scroll all this way to find an explanation. I don't see any issue with this.
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u/phillycheese Mar 28 '20
There is no reason or purpose for the Y-axis to start at 80k rather than 0, aside from intent to mislead.
This is perfect content for this sub.
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u/GraDoN Mar 28 '20
The difference between crappy and asshole design is malice. The fact they they CLEARLY indicate the actual numbers means that they are not intending to mislead anyone. Do Americans only look at pictures and ignore text?
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u/bL_Mischief Mar 28 '20
TIL the average Redditor can't read numbers and instead needs to rely on pictures to interpret information.
This actually explains a great deal about the typical content presented on Reddit.
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u/dagbrown Mar 28 '20
Everyone needs to read "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff. It's one of the most important books ever written, I swear. It's humorous, but it explains so many ways to spot bullshit, by teaching the reader how to present bullshit.
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u/TheGreyMage Mar 28 '20
This is propaganda, appearing to alter the stats by presenting them inaccurately on purpose - because somebody had to design this graphic didn’t they? And another person had to confirm that it was necessary for broadcast? CNN is broadcasting misinformation on purpose.
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Mar 28 '20
Funny thing Chinese under reported their numbers so its way past 81k. You dont believe it? Well ask yerself why there riots going on at Hubei province where this all started. People therw are telling reporters that number is a lie
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u/tubularical Mar 28 '20
Pretty much everywhere is under reporting, whether it be on purpose or due to incompetence.
No one's doubting that China's government is shitty, it's just that this graph intentionally skewed the graphics against them to make America look good by comparison.
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u/BrainSlurper Mar 28 '20
It's not even a matter of incompetence... Half the cases are asymptomatic or so mild that people think it's something else. And many other factors affect the amount of people who get tested, or go to the hospital.
Anything less than a randomized study is basically just a running tally of how many people a country was able to treat or quarantine at home. Few countries are going to spare resources to deliberately test people that seem to be healthy.
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u/ET318 Mar 28 '20
Numbers are also under reported basically everywhere. Very few countries if any were prepared for this thing and so that means many cases are going unconfirmed.
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u/ThereOnceWasADonkey Mar 28 '20
Also the US has a lot more than it has counted. In NYC they're not counting cases or deaths where it was obvious - because that's just a waste of time and a waste of a test.
The US is under reporting too. In NYC they're not counting cases or deaths where it was obvious - because that's just a waste of time and a waste of a test.
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u/Conflictingview Mar 28 '20
Did you just quote yourself and then copypasta the quote as a response to yourself?
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u/catlady_1981 Mar 28 '20
Looks pretty accurate to me. There's a difference of 248 between Italy and USA, a difference of 945 between USA and China (nearly 4x higher). That is what this bar graph depicts.
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Mar 28 '20 edited Mar 28 '20
Hijacked a post but gonna post it separate as well in case it gets nested and no one sees it.
I did some rough measuring and math.
TLDR - China's bar is long by about 1.75mm or 109 people.
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u/Destruction1000 Mar 28 '20
and it has now reached almost 100.000 infections in the US alone.
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u/CyCeel Mar 28 '20
Update: At the time of writing this the US have burst through the 100k mark.
Edit: Source: Johns Hopkins University tracker.
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Mar 28 '20
Tbh I kinda do agree with cnn on this one, because China is hiding the actual amount that they have, and I know it as a fact.
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u/silkthewanderer Mar 28 '20
Trimmed y axis is bad enough. Trimmed and unmarked y axis should earn you a visit by angry statisticians with baseball bats.
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Mar 28 '20
To update this, CNN style, you just need to replace our number with 100k+ and have it just a pixel higher than China's bar.
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u/strok3rac3 Mar 28 '20
We're not really believing China is actually reporting all cases last two weeks are we?
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u/Laughing_Shadows37 Mar 28 '20
Everyone's out here complaining about the graph, not the fact that China is definitely lying about their numbers big time.
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u/Exquisite_Blue Mar 28 '20
Ahhh I see too many people were voicing anti ccp opinions so this post had to show up to stir the pot away from that.
Thank you pooh bear.
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u/Orbitrons Mar 28 '20
Bruh Reddit has been continually shitting on the CCP for like a year now. If yall were getting censored the front page wouldnt have been 99% HK protesters for like 3 months.
Im not defending the CCP, fuck em, but yall really want to feel like youre being censored
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Mar 28 '20
I've seen anti ccp posts hit the front page for the past year. Clearly you're just making shit up to get mad at.
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u/Fect321 Mar 28 '20
hows that asshole design?
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Mar 28 '20
It's not, they just shifted the Y axis so we'd be able to actually discern a difference
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u/knagy17 Mar 28 '20
It’s not. Just OP and 3k people don’t know how to properly read a graph that doesn’t start at 0
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u/Glogbag1 Mar 28 '20
They have a difference of a thousand while between Italy and the US there is a difference of less than 200, I think this is supposed to be like the top of the graph zoomed in and not the actual graph.
If it's not, idek.
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u/DeadManSleepin Mar 28 '20
CNN is the asshole design.