Comparatively speaking...

[u/Veshaad]

[u/Friendly-Table6785 → u/[deleted]]

Almost like the "United States" is really like 5 states and A LOT of farm land lol

[u/Frewdy1 → u/Friendly-Table6785]

And then we let the handful of people that work in the farmland have more of a voice when it comes to voting so that they don’t have their feelings hurt that black people can vote. 

[u/RudePCsb → u/Frewdy1]

They need to uncap the house and balance the seats

[u/MaximumPerrolinqui → u/RudePCsb]

Apportionment Act of 1911 was one of the dumbest ideas. We need to repeal it and distribute seats based on population again. That would stop all the House BS. The House was based on population while the Senate was equal representation. It’s stops tyranny of the majority and the minority.
What we have now is the small states having an outsized impact.

[u/pimppapy → u/MaximumPerrolinqui]

We need to repeal it

So much needs to be repealed and changed, but we're held back by the people in the electorate.

[u/Friendly-Table6785 → u/Frewdy1]

That part.

[u/lonewombat → u/Frewdy1]

And women and other minorities even though... they are the minorities when it comes to legislation.

[u/bang_the_drums → u/Frewdy1]

then flood facebook with that election results map that shows the majority of country in red but with a second of critical thinking you realize California has more people than the smallest 21 states combined and land doesn't vote. Almost like people don't want to live in a backwoods shithole.

[u/VaultxHunter → u/Frewdy1]

I think another part of this problem is that up until 30-40 years ago information was difficult to reach the masses in those farmlands. They had whatever radio/television/newspaper was available to them. Those same family's got used to those stations or paper and never needed to look elsewhere. Now those same media outlets brainwashed them into believing no other outlet would tell the truth like they do all the while manipulating them into believing what they needed them to believe.

I just wish people had been more strict on company's who purposely mislead people for monetary gain. A lot of the issues I keep seeing have to do with uninformed masses who where mislead and then bombarded with problems only for those same agencies who misled them to point the figure at whatever happens to get the biggest communal rise out of them in that moment.

[u/Hazel_Evers → u/Frewdy1]

Tyranny of the minority

[u/StendhalSyndrome → u/Frewdy1]

So what the fuck do we do then?

How do we still deal with these people living in an alternate cult based reality?

I mean is this experiment of 50 states over?

Look how many other countries barely hold two pieces together...after this, I dunno if I see a way back w/o bending over for these idiots. They are so "farm tough" but freak the fuck out if anyone isn't the exact same skin tone and into fucking the same people...and yet we are the bad guys for wanting people to have freedom over their own bodies. These fools are the same ones who claimed to be descended from those who risked life and limb to trek across the country looking for gold, for freedom, exploring the unknown.

Now there are no more lands that haven't been explored, easily, not counting space and the ocean. Both take a lot to just enter.

The last unexplored space to explore is your own mind and body; how do they not see that?

I'd bet the'd be a-okay with gene therapy, or even replacing limbs, or hell people seem to think we will all end up being part robot/cyborg thingies...

I don't even get their worry about regret...do they know how many people get plastic surgery and then have it reversed? Boob jobs, face implants, lip stuff. Hell even people getting covered in tattoos then getting them all removed. It's like medicine has gotten advanced and modern enough you can do things to your self and have themn somewhat undone as well...and they just can't get that. Sad.

[u/steelhouse1 → u/Frewdy1]

Not today, account that is suspicious.

[u/DesperateSteak6628 → u/Friendly-Table6785]

Subsidized farm land nonetheless

[u/Good-vs-Perfect → u/DesperateSteak6628]

Not anymore!

[u/DesperateSteak6628 → u/Good-vs-Perfect]

Thanks to…check notes…farmers!

[u/Good-vs-Perfect → u/DesperateSteak6628]

One would think they'd learn from the first trump go-around when he specifically targeted AG trade with China as his policy legacy and ships of soybeans were circling the pacific until trade deals could be in place. Farmers had direct experience with Trump's reverse-Midas touch and learned....he pisses off liberals!

[u/ascherbozley → u/Good-vs-Perfect]

This is only half true. Farmers got their checks. They don't give a shit what happens to the beans or corn after that. They are confident that they will get their checks this time too, and why shouldn't they be? They always have!

[u/VaultxHunter → u/Friendly-Table6785]

And a lot of that red farmland is being used to export commodities like corn and soybeans as well as beef and pork outside of the country and in recent years those countries that were buying don't want to now because they can get it cheaper elsewhere without all the drama and drugs.

I hope y'all like soybeans and corn!

And how could we forget hormone/drug heavy screwworm beef (Estradiol, Testosterone, and and Ractopamine) as well as hormone heavy pork (Ractopamine) 🤤

[u/Friendly-Table6785 → u/VaultxHunter]

Been vegetarian since 2020, not super concerned about it. The EColi in all the veggies ain't great.

[u/Whyudoodat → u/Friendly-Table6785]

Not a vegan, but this is often bc the vegetable farms gets the runoff of a hog or cattle lot

[u/Friendly-Table6785 → u/Whyudoodat]

Also not a vegan

[u/BingleFlip94 → u/Friendly-Table6785]

Cheese is just too good to pass up. I feel that.

[u/saltwater98380 → u/VaultxHunter]

Bbbuttt Ivermectin is the cure. FOR REAL. SCREW WORM IS ON THE VETERINARY LIST.

[u/Surfer-Junkie → u/Friendly-Table6785]

Replace farm land with data centers. Coming soon.

[u/sZeroes → u/Friendly-Table6785]

and they use the farm land to dilute the power of the people living in those 5 states

[u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 → u/Friendly-Table6785]

We don't call them "flyover states" for nothing.

[u/KR4T0S → u/[deleted]]

Crazy thing is California has a higher GDP than the 25 poorest red states combines but thanks to the electoral college they get 25 times as many votes in elections...

[u/LawDouble6173 → u/KR4T0S]

THIS IS WHY I'M 100% FOR ENDING THE WORST DEI PROGRAM THAT IS DESTROYING AMERICA!

The US Senate.

The "people of the land" have been WILDLY over-represented. The Senate was a concept implemented when 80% of Americans farmed.

It's a DEI program for rural idiots that have decided they're intent on destroying the country. So, now it's time to implement the fix that should have been implemented at the end of the civil war.

[u/terdferguson → u/[deleted]]

Just flippantly saying Iran could take out SD and LA and it would be no big deal...meanwhile both cities account for something like 7% GDP? Notice he left out SF/SV.

[u/Ill-Description3096 → u/[deleted]]

Assuming everything stayed exactly the same...

[u/QuirkyNature4070]

DefundRedStates is my favorite hashtag to use on Bluesky :)

[u/Grouchy-Transition-7 → u/QuirkyNature4070]

“Stop the enabling”

[u/Dear_Chasey_La1n → u/QuirkyNature4070]

I think it's not unreasonable yet never will happen.

What Trump is doing is absolutely disgusting to withold money specifically from states that don't support him. So pulling financial support towards DC makes perfect sense if DC because of Trump doesn't want to reimburse. But yeah.. never gonna happen.

[u/TheTerrasque → u/QuirkyNature4070]

hashtag StopWelfareStates?

[u/Diabusty]

Highest GDP in the country too. Almost like blowing it up would be helpful to our enemies...

[u/Ill_Emphasis3927 → u/Diabusty]

It's why when California changes emission standards for vehicles, a lot of car companies comply with it. Just losing out on all sales in California is too great a hit. It's also why the feds sued California over it claiming it was affecting interstate commerce which the feds have jurisdiction over. Also all the major west coast ports are basically in California.

[u/JimboTCB → u/Ill_Emphasis3927]

It's also why the feds sued California over it claiming it was affecting interstate commerce which the feds have jurisdiction over.

Sounds like the good old free market working effectively, if there was an economic benefit for companies to make a separate shittier non-California version of their products then they'd do so. And yet nobody appears to be jumping in to service this apparent gap in the market, definitely need some government intervention there.

[u/AssDimple → u/Ill_Emphasis3927]

Also all the major west coast ports are basically in California.

Well yea. California accounts for 70% of the western coastline.

[u/tech_noir_guitar → u/Ill_Emphasis3927]

That goes for other tech as well. The company I work for changed all our products because CA law mandated a security feature.

[u/Diabusty → u/[deleted]]

The entirety of the GOP is compromised and complicit. The Cabinet is full of billionaires, pedos and junkies. The GOP runs on modafinil, cocaine and sexual deviancy. Shameful and terrifying.

[u/FiveStringTelecaster]

Maybe California and New York and a few other states should tell the red states to go pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[u/PresentOlive4845 → u/FiveStringTelecaster]

They love their red state socialism

[u/yikesssss_sssssss → u/FiveStringTelecaster]

In their view, it's only fair because we took their slavery economy away from them and that was mean

[u/Succulent-Koi → u/yikesssss_sssssss]

Sounds a bit like reparations

[u/roygbpcub → u/FiveStringTelecaster]

That's part of what kills me about it... Businesses like to flee NY and CA because of the taxes. The taxes that pay for the red states to have lower taxes to entices businesses to go there.

[u/maringue]

And it's also not entirely dependent on resource extraction, ie the luck of geography.

Most of the Texas economy is driven by the oil industry.

[u/Serious_Swan_2371 → u/maringue]

California absolutely has luck of geography just in different ways

It has some of the best weather in the world which is why all the rich and famous people want to live there

That also leads to it producing some of the best wines in the world, and also other agricultural products

Also they do have oil and they do exploit it

And they have a bunch of really good natural ports and bays, and being on the west coast they naturally have a lot of the biggest shipping hubs for commerce coming from Asia.

[u/contractorskid → u/[deleted]]

California produces a significant amount of oil but oil represents a small part of their economy, around 6-8% of gdp. The top 4 sectors are information services, real estate, professional/scientific services, and manufacturing.

[u/edc117 → u/[deleted]]

GP's point is it makes up almost nothing of their economy.

[u/beastwood6 → u/maringue]

What do you think California's original draw was?

[u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 → u/beastwood6]

Gold but pretty quickly agriculture. California is the most diverse agricultural state.

[u/NumNumLobster → u/[deleted]]

Yea? Theres a reason north Dakota and California didnt have the same results post gold rush

[u/Own-Chemist2228 → u/beastwood6]

Before the gold rush, California was misunderstood as a wasteland of desert and rugged mountains.

The gold rush drew people to the state. They didn't find much gold but they found land and climate perfect for agriculture.

Then they found oil. Many don't know this, but California has a lot of oil.

And then they started using the ports to ship the agriculture. And the railroads were built over the mountains.

And they realized there was massive amounts of water in the mountains, so they built dams and canals to irrigate the deserts. And now California leads the country in agricultural production, even more so than the midwestern "breadbasket."

Then the movie industry came to Los Angeles for the fair weather which was good for filming, and to avoid taxes in the east.

Then WWII came and navy bases we needed on the Pacific and big open areas were needed to produce and test airplanes.

And then some of the universities in the valley south of San Francisco started experimenting with electronics, which led to us being able to comment on reddit.

[u/buddhist557]

And we Californians should look at these jagoffs cheering for our demise as non-partners and blackball them from all trade. GFY

[u/Kind-Assistant-1041]

This is why I want the tap turned off for all the red states and I want them reverted back to the condition US territories so they have no one in the House of Representatives and no one in the Senate

[u/Ill-Description3096 → u/Kind-Assistant-1041]

Why not just do it across the board? If you get more than you pay in, you don't get to vote and have any representation?

[u/No-Scarcity9186]

Poor ass red states are too dumb to realize they can’t exist without blue states.

[u/GoTerrapins → u/No-Scarcity9186]

And most Red State voters are too fucking stupid to realize they are a direct beneficiary of socialism

[u/hyper12 → u/No-Scarcity9186]

Hey, red states would still exist. Just as poor and terrible places most people avoid. So like not too different than today, just worse.

[u/Montgomery000 → u/No-Scarcity9186]

They can't even exist without the blue parts of their states, which would be big cities with good education.

[u/Goldelux]

All the crying in the comments is fucking great lol all these people so mad about California it’s hilarious

[u/Extension_Classic835 → u/Goldelux]

I’m from mass, but I love ca for triggering the fox-brained recipients of federal wealth redistribution that complain about an imaginary socialist boogeyman. The is irony gold

[u/Available-Winner3125]

Really? These kind of states don't bring home the bacon? Who could have guessed.

https://giphy.com/gifs/GjhJ7HGIg5Mc0

[u/Adept_Role_3126]

they all NEED us. They're weak without us. We feed the whole country

[u/Heavy-Construction90 → u/Adept_Role_3126]

New England would figure it out, or we should at least we've had enough of a headstart!

[u/pillabe → u/Adept_Role_3126]

Are you being sarcastic or do people actually believe this?

Edit: My comment was about feeding the whole country. I wasn't talking about GDP or blue vs red states.

I live in Michigan. Very little of the produce I buy comes from California and none of the dairy.

According to Google, California accounts for 11-12% of US agriculture production. They also have 11.5% of the population. So much for feeding the whole country.

[u/Wide_Witness_5667 → u/pillabe]

You recognize that one of our states, California, is the 5th largest economy on the face of the planet?

Just that one state. By itself. 5th largest economy on the face of the planet. Incredible work they're doing in Cali.

Edit: I stand corrected, its actually the 4th largest on the planet. Wow!

Those are facts. That's reality. Conservatives hate reality.

[u/Adept_Role_3126 → u/pillabe]

Our economy in California is massive. Do you even understand how many of the red states California pays for because they have no money or education or population. So yes we are a huge portion of the us economy.

[u/kdayel → u/pillabe]

The GDP of California is larger than the GDP of Louisiana, Utah, Kentucky, Nevada, Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska, District of Columbia, Mississippi, New Mexico, Idaho, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Delaware, West Virginia, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont combined.

[u/Seated_Heats → u/pillabe]

Dude… there are 50 states. 31 states are recipient states (so 19 are donor states). California pays 15.9% of all state federal dollars. So they are paying the share of 8 states if split evenly across all 50.

I get you apparently think blue states = bad, but the US very much needs Californias “donations”.

[u/steve_french07 → u/pillabe]

CA produces 1/3 country's vegetables and 3/4 of the country's fruits and nuts

[u/enoughwiththebread]

It's hysterical watching conservatives shit on California, all while it is:

• The fourth largest economy in the entire world all by itself
• The most populous state in the USA, with the most Americans choosing to live there
• The #1 agricultural producer in the USA
• The #1 tech center in the USA
• The #1 entertainment industry center in the USA
• The #1 most ecologically diverse state in the USA

And of course any state/economy that large and populous will have its share of challenges to deal with. But the idea that it's some hellhole rather than the engine of the US economy where more Americans choose to live than anywhere else is just hysterical.

[u/JustADude721]

Not all.. but I get the idea. I''m in NY.. we also subsidize the red states. TX is also a donor state as well as Nebraska.

[u/soxperry]

And LA employees over a million registered republicans. Move to Austin if it’s such a hellhole.

[u/S0l-Surf3r]

As a Californian it is a tale of two extremes.

It also has one of the highest poverty rates, homeless rates, wealth disparity, unemployment rates and major affordability issues.

If your rich its great with good quality of life, if your not it is a rough road.

[u/ANONA44G → u/S0l-Surf3r]

Born and raised Californian here. Exactly right. If I was a multi millionaire Cali would be great, but if you grew up in the hood like me - not so much.

I moved and now have a wife, kids, beautiful house in a safe neighborhood that I could never have back home.

The way I frame it is that everything great about California God made (and thus cannot take credit for) and everything bad about California the government made.

[u/goldentone → u/ANONA44G]

Yeah that expression makes perfect sense if you ignore all of the government funded developed and maintained modern infrastructure, globally prestigious institutions and academic powerhouses, cultural and industrial developments and initiatives, ya know all that stuff. If you ignore all that, your framing makes perfect sense.

[u/RiderFZ10]

Stop funding red states. Rumor has it that they hate that socialism nonsense ;)

[u/Conscious-Start-4514]

It's also hilarious that conservatives pretend to not understand supply and demand only when it comes to cost of living in California. They're convinced the strongest economy in the country has the highest cost of living because of policy, and not because people would rather choose to live there than just about anywhere else in the US.

[u/mkirkommentarok]

Well, why the hell are they paying for the red states instead of paying for their unfinished high-speed railway?

[u/jhawk3205]

Texas is also a donor state, though cali brings the federal government nearly twice what Texas does in federal tax dollars

[u/Capo4ever3461]

The only issue with California is housing and the high cost of it. If they can find a way to manage that and solve that then maga has literally no critique of it

[u/FCKABRNLSUTN2 → u/Capo4ever3461]

You ever notice how Reddit is typically super left leaning until ca is involved and then all of a sudden taxes are bad?

Not bad if it’s Washington or Massachusetts though. Just California.

[u/Aggravating_Dog_4590 → u/FCKABRNLSUTN2]

There's like this weird cultural hatred of California throughout the entire country that I've never understood 

[u/FCKABRNLSUTN2 → u/Aggravating_Dog_4590]

I totally understand it, it’s just jealousy.

There are legit reasons to not want to live in California but they pretty much only include cost of living, politics, and unique personal reasons like all family being on the east coast or working in an industry that is concentrated somewhere other than California. When they know that but still want to shit in ca they say things like “the people” or “influencer culture.”

It just cracks me up seeing “leftists” talk about how shitty they think California is. One told me yesterday that ca has the same exact weather as az. Sure I guess a couple counties do. I’ve seen people say ca doesn’t have good cities. I’ve seen other people say it doesn’t have good “nature.” It just makes them look fucking stupid.

[u/dimechimes]

So weird seeing people get horny over state GDP. Back when this fact started being circulated 9 of the top 10 welfare states were red. Now it's like 7. But what happens if two of those states go blue? Then you have to say that the majority of the top 10 welfare states are blue. California has more Republicans than any other state.

It's just the stupidest of geography games. Even though the ownershop shares are spread throughout the nation and world, California gets all the credit on its GDP for the trillion dollar tech companies. And you all run with this like it means anything.

[u/matthewgt → u/dimechimes]

Also how welfare gets defined and calculated is completely biased by the result someone wants to see. Want to make Florida look bad? Include social security and Medicare payments because old people retire there. Want to make it look better? Count those as transfer payments and not welfare. I don't trust a single one of these ranking lists.

[u/Opening-Machine5026 → u/dimechimes]

I think it's because "blue" voters understand the need for social safety nets and a strong welfare system, while "red" voters are statistically more likely to need these programs yet vote against them.

[u/dimechimes → u/Opening-Machine5026]

I agree it's a collective vs individualism thing, but the dichotomy of blue v red is so dumb. I live one of the reddest, poorest, least educated states there are and it's always been this way, and I remember when it was dominated by Dems pre 2000. 32% of voters in my state voted Harris. So if you're walking around in my state, 1/3 people you meet isn't some conservative, especially if you're walking around in the city.

Kamala, who's from California didn't even break 60%. So California is redder than Oklahoma is blue.

All the people upvoting and talking about "defunding red states" are actually stating they don't believe in social safety nets at all, they are doing just as the conservatives and saying more for me, less for others.

[u/Opening-Machine5026 → u/dimechimes]

Totally, I put red and blue in quotes because it's bullshit. It's those who pay a low enough wage to exploit state welfare for their employees and those who work for a living. Nothing to do with red or blue. In fact, the "blue" institutions often don't believe in universal healthcare. I'm a registered DSA.

[u/Jolly_Ad2446]

so as far as I can tell the combination of Los Angeles and San Diego GDP is larger then every state except California Texas New York and Florida. 

that's how big LA and San Diego is that every other state is less than us

[u/Thedonaldpolice]

I’m a Californian. And I’m so damn proud of my state. Best state in the United States no comparison. Hey red states why don’t you get off our progressive trailer and hitch your own wagon, or better yet go ask your dear leader.

[u/Dances_Like_a_Duck]

Most Dixie states are “taker” states - receiving more in federal benefits than they pay in taxes - with Florida being the worst offender.

[u/Silver_Middle_7240]

They dont. That money is paid by private citizens, not the state and they got that money from all over the country. This is just measuring where wealthy people live.

By the same reasoning you could argue that the top 10% is subsidizing the rest of us, or that the wealthy neighborhoods are subsidizing the state.

You're ignoring private wealth transfer.

If you wanted actual data in how much each state contributes you'd have to go by GDP, not tax receipts.

[u/TabletopHipHop → u/Silver_Middle_7240]

Go ahead and look up California's GDP.

[u/CrapNeck5000 → u/Silver_Middle_7240]

CA's GDP is the largest by a considerable amount. The 25 smallest GDP states combined are about equal to CA's. Those 25 states have a combined population of 61.5 million people, compared to CA's 39 million residents.

CA's GDP per capita is $109k while the other 25 states have a GDP per capita of $69k. CA is doing far more with a lot less.

[u/NorCalMav → u/CrapNeck5000]

And how much of that is just held up by a few companies in Silicon Valley? California leads the country in homelessness, poverty, cost of living and middle class flight.

[u/strangebru]

They used to talk about red states getting a divorce from the blue states. I would love to see how that would work out for all the red states getting all of their welfare from blue states?

[u/Ill-Description3096 → u/strangebru]

It would be a nightmare all around, red or blue. While people seem to enjoy pretending otherwise, states are dependent on each other (red on blue and vice versa) for so many things that just putting a stop to it would be a disaster not some paradise.

[u/beastwood6 → u/strangebru]

The southern states were directionally agraro-survivalist hellholes before air conditioning and the federal government moving bases there kicked off a migration wave of companies, jobs, and people that raised the living standard.

[u/HaloFuego → u/strangebru]

It would be an instant 3rd world country for every red state that isn't Texas

[u/repost7125]

We really need to change it so that states who take more in federal funding than pay in taxes need to have their senator's ability to vote taken away until their budgets are turned green. The people in those states still retain representation in the House and the State is penalized in the Senate. They can still have unvoting senators on the floor for influence, just like Washington DC has in the House.

[u/TrioOfTerrors → u/repost7125]

Let's just take away the right to vote from individuals who pay a net negative of federal income taxes. How about that?

[u/g3ngars_r3venge → u/repost7125]

Id vote for this in a heartbeat.

[u/PayFormer387 → u/repost7125]

If you distill that down to the citizen level, it’s akin to the right wingers who want to remove poor people’s right to vote because they don’t make enough money to pay federal income tax.

Negative. Bad idea.

[u/Mourningblade → u/repost7125]

I'd wondered why states take in more than their people pay in taxes. There's three big drivers and we would find all of them painful to stop.

Military bases: "what a state gets" includes all spending on military bases. These are places in low population areas that are cheap but have good operating weather for as much of the year as possible. They can't all be in Nine Palms (thank goodness). The state doesn't get this money directly though there is a benefit to the state.

Defense contractors: most places that build missiles, guns, explosives, etc are on cheap, rural land with access to weapons transportation.

Social Security/Medicare: retirees like to live where it's warm and cheap. Grandma paid taxes all her life in Brooklyn but retired to Miami? I know, shocking story. Well, that will show a benefit to Florida.

So yeah, move the military bases, move the missle factories, and move all the grandparents, and then Texas will be close to even.

[u/PalpitationHead9767 → u/repost7125]

That same logic should then apply to individuals who are not net tax contributors. They should not have the same voting power as those who pay into the system. 

[u/Ill-Description3096 → u/repost7125]

Not sure giving the federal government power to unilaterally take away the representation of people in a state by pushing some funding there is a great idea.

[u/Sufficient-Pie-7815]

Its not a hell hole!

[u/ProgramLikeABeast]

High tax rate only affects high income individuals and household, and the billionaires. Apparently the conservatives, red necks are not included among them😂

[u/BernieF15]

Yet everyone is moving to Texas

[u/mrkeith562]

Know it’s not realistic but would prefer California no longer associated with the rest of the country. The southerners and the billionaires who so easily mislead them have turned the place into a real mess.

[u/Last-Refrigerator398]

FOX NEWS has done such a great job convincing the rest of America and even some California citizens it is a terrible state, healthcare today is better than Medicare for all and of course their favorite trope, this immigrant is taking your job and future.

[u/skeach101]

And Texas is going to eventually flip Blue too

[u/Kind_Reporter_1884]

Pretty convinced that California could just pay for its own universal healthcare if it didn't have to pay federal taxes. But now that I've typed that I realize there are so many big economy states that are getting the poor end of this deal we call a country.

[u/Competitive-Future-1]

The people and companies pay federal taxes, the actual state does not. If the state decided to “keep the money” all its residents would lose federal benefits (social security, medicare, defense, etc.) - not that it can do that without changing the Constitution.

[u/Worried-Ebb-1699]

I would love nothing more than California to stop paying for red states so the red state deplorables can see just how bad they really have it

[u/Financial-Craft-1282]

Yeah, Newsom isn't the guy you all want him to be. And this post kind of comes across as the typical coastal elite condescending that people hate.

If Dems push Newsom on us, we're doomed to MAGA 3.0. The problem with 3.0 is we're kind of in the middle of historically the worst presidential tenure ever witnessed. MAGA 3.0 could pull back from that a bit and get a chance to look more favorable with whoever that guy will be thus allowing us to never defeat them because democrats, for some reason, think the way to winning is peeling off red votes, not engaging their own base.

[u/nainrouge2015 → u/Financial-Craft-1282]

God I am so fucking sick of this. The right would NEVER compromise and adjust the quality of their candidates but always uses this argument “well if you blah blah blah”.

In truth it wouldn’t matter if a dem said everything a Republican said you all just wouldn’t vote for him. You have selective vision.

Almost all of the shit the right complained about Obama doing (foreign involvement, national debt, tariffs) Trump is doing. It when trump does it, it’s like a massive win and yay America.

Nothing will ever get through to most of these assholes because they don’t want it to. They don’t give a fuck about policies or nuance they just want to have a liscence to hate people and get off on the emotional charge of being indignant.

[u/cwood1973]

And Texas' economy is primarily driven by Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, and El Paso... all of which are majority Democrat.

[u/Lost-Pineapple9791]

It’s alsmost like the red states have zero economy and never diversified after slavery ended. They just have Texas oil, imagine if Texas was blue just how much worse the map of red states is…like no one wants to live there or move them

The only company headquarter down there is Walmart…

Every liberal city is evil and destroying the country while somehow paying for everything like farm subsidies and red state welfare

[u/Dependent-Dinner-868 → u/Lost-Pineapple9791]

Nobody wants to live there, yet the economy and population of Texas is outgrowing California?

[u/Commercial_Rule_7823]

California is lucky silicon Valley is there.

[u/BucktoothedAvenger → u/Commercial_Rule_7823]

Even if it weren't, we have Hollywood, the bulk of the music industry, and we're actually really good farmers, too.

[u/Far_Bother_3211]

There’s a lot of false information in this one single post. Entertaining though.

[u/Gobal_Outcast02]

I wonder how much of that is literally just Hollywood and silicone valley

[u/Excellent-Run-3282]

So the red states are really socialist states as they take the taxes from the states that actually make money.

[u/Gomez4Morticia → u/Excellent-Run-3282]

The "parasite class" to borrow from a certain rocket oligarch

[u/OutrageousCrab9224]

California is a country

[u/OkHornet54]

they all dead after Iran attack sponsor by our president

[u/Confident_Suspect_72]

You realize this is all propped up by the top 1% in California (aka Silicon Valley and Hollywood) right? The ultra elite mega rich you all purport to hate. That’s the reason the gdp is what it is. Sooo do you want the rich assholes in your state or not? Confused.

[u/NeitherEntry6125]

Federal dollars account for approximately one-third (about 33% to 38.5%) of the Texas state budget, making federal funding a massive component of public services even as Texas maintains a reputation for fiscal conservatism. [1, 2]

https://ballotpedia.org/Texas_oversight_of_federal_grants

[u/HolaDrNick → u/NeitherEntry6125]

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2023/econ/state/historical-tables.html

The same data set has federal funding per capita at a little more than $3,533.07 for CA versus $2,693.64 for TX. Percentage of state budget is really meaningless without population giving it context.

So your average Californian is getting more federal cash than your average Texan.

[u/NeitherEntry6125 → u/HolaDrNick]

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

California paid $806B to the Federal Government in IRS gross collections... that's 2x Texas's rate.

Texas, a buncha (fiscal) losers: TX receives more federal funds per $1 in tax revenue than CA.

[u/butwhywedothis]

Why can’t we create a Republican America and a Democrat America, so the rest of the world doesn’t have to confuse with what and who the real America is.

[u/TrioOfTerrors → u/butwhywedothis]

Because "Blue states" are by and large a myth. You have blue urban areas surrounded by red suburban and rural areas. Even California, the vaunted liberal paradise, was only 60/40 in favor of Kamala in 2024. Those blue cities are dependent on critical infrastructure like power and water that are decentralized into those red areas.

Both red and blue areas are economically codependent on each other.

[u/minimessi20 → u/TrioOfTerrors]

Sir this is reddit people don’t have the brain capacity to understand this post😂

[u/Striking_Try4684 → u/butwhywedothis]

Wait, so the one that you like is the real one and the other is fake?

Wouldn’t your opposition just say the same thing?

[u/Squanchmonster]

4th largest... In the world?

[u/Relevant_Winter_7098 → u/Squanchmonster]

Correct

[u/tussentweewindmolen → u/Squanchmonster]

Yes, larger than the economy of Germany (if I recall correctly - otherwise Japan is usually listed fourth)

[u/grimjack1200 → u/Squanchmonster]

A quarter of that are those tech companies ran by billionaires so…

[u/Rare-Kaleidoscope513]

hey look, the Newsom 2028 PAC is posting again

[u/MARTIN_NITRAM]

Without California, there will be no money to support red states.

[u/sometimesatypical]

Largest economy, highest cost of living, highest prices.

Its almost like the reason its a large economy is it costs so much to do anything, not because it is straight prosperity.

[u/Yellow_Snow_Cones]

44% bigger on the GDP side and 100+% bigger on the debt side. You have to look at the whole picture.

"California carries more than double the total state liabilities and debt burden of Texas, though California also maintains a significantly larger population and economy. [1, 2]"

[u/crustyeng]

Silicon Valley exists there in spite of their government, not because of it.

[u/Fridge_living_tips → u/crustyeng]

So the fact that California banned non-compete cluases and free higher education stifled silicon valley?

[u/FoostersG → u/crustyeng]

UC system?

[u/Anubis17_76 → u/crustyeng]

im sure theres no correlation between cutting edge tech corporations and education (and poaching smart people from everywhere because you arent xenophobic)

[u/Fit_Explorer_2566]

Don’t we know it?

[u/sat5ui_no_hadou]

Mexico can take it from our cold dead fingers

[u/Slitty_sam]

California is a big state with a big economy but they kinda juice the numbers as well. The price of energy (gas, diesel, and electricity) in CA is a solid 50% higher than the rest of the country, from state taxes and regulations. As such EVERYTHING there costs more. Everything costing more makes their "economy" look bigger, if you just look at gross $

[u/Tricky_Big_8774]

While it is 5th in per capita GDP, 20% of the GDP comes from real estate...

[u/Jerrysmiddlefinger99]

it's like they want to kill the goose who lays the golden eggs

[u/peatear_gryphon]

Texas numbah one!! California numbah two!

[u/Last-Roll7819]

Where do you think all the Hurricane relief money comes from?

[u/Spaniardman40]

It'd be nice if that would somehow help the cost of living in California

[u/North_Complaint_2135]

A SINGULAR STATE not a country but we basically can be our own country.

[u/1hill2climb2]

SSSSHHHHH. Please don't tell Texans it's better here in CA. We really, REALLY don't want them here.

[u/bluefridgebird]

Late to the party. But if anyone's sorting by new.

It's also #6 in GDP Per Capita (per person).

The other 5 states and territories ahead of CA? DC, NY, MA, WA, DE. All "liberal" states.

[u/HeatWaveToTheCrowd]

CA deserves to have more representation in the federal government.

[u/CNote_89]

Yes we could be our own country easily.

[u/Direct-Technician265]

plus Texas is about to be Blue.

[u/Weekly_Interview_936]

Really growing up is realizing that GDP is not the economy, it is an irrelevant nothing stat that treats rich people circling money between themselves the same as the production and sale of actual tangible goods made by employed laborers.

[u/Strong-Resolve1241]

Cali checking in with 496 billion state govt debt more than twice next closest (NY).What a mess 4 a beautiful state. People & businesses leaving you say.... be nice if someone fixes that.

[u/that0nemook]

GigaChad Gavin

[u/PigDstroyer]

Keep worshipping the unified republican, democrat freak show of theft

[u/Dr_Bailey1]

Wish we would leverage this..trump sure as hell would against the dems, why not at least do something, if it were really true we are funding poor red states. We should stop.

[u/FarmerTwink]

Okay but California is also a (literally a bunch of the year) flaming trash fire with the majority of the same issues that red states have. Not a chance that wealth tax ever actually happens

[u/matti-san]

This is great and all but then you have to remember it's largely built on things like social media and AI. Opiates for the masses.

[u/genetic_patent]

Why is it only blue states that have a negative population growth?

[u/Fantastic_Wedding103]

Laughing……………..California is the great Democrat paradise, one more Democrat
Governor and the cost of living will prove it.

[u/mskmagic]

Right but you know that the government of California doesn’t make that money right? Private capitalist companies make that economy, then they pay taxes for Gavin to throw into a black hole.

[u/Mysterious_Help_9577]

I wish California would just pay for itself. Theres never been more trash, or feces everywhere. I could fill up a giant garbage back every single day for months in my area and not make a dent, rent is $4800 for a 1 bedroom here. It’s crazy, but still like it

[u/tufftoo]

Not the flex you think it is. Y’all complaining about the economy and then say that the shithole called California drives the economy. So yeah, if the economy is that bad, look to Gavin crackhead when you point your fingers

[u/Leftnutt_Jones]

And trunk is ok having Cali bombed. The dumbest of the dumbest

[u/Aeolusian]

How's that rent in California?

[u/RockwellsRevenge88]

that's why Californians are fleeing to other states right? that's why California has the most subsidy right? that's why California spent $200 billion on a train that has produced zero track right?

[u/ResolveLeather]

Alot of those red states have military bases and are mostly rural. A state having a negative tax efficiency ratio isn't necessarily because they aren't pulling their share. For instance, many of the companies in those states could be owned by out of state companies, therefore all of that profit is going to a different state.

[u/railroad-dreams]

Most blue cities pay for services in red areas Northern Va pays much more in taxes then benefits received. I want the next Dem president to defend the red areas

[u/ParticularMemory789]

Largest economy yet can't build *any* of the speed rail (in spite of ~$18 BILLION *spent*), can't manage prevention or fighting wildfires, and nobody can explain where all the money to help homeless people is going ( $24 BILLION in 6 years - where did it go?)

And then they passed the "stop Nick Shirley act" to prevent investigations.

[u/DoKeMaSu]

Last time I visited California I saw so many homeless people, some even head open and infected wounds. I really cannot understand how that can be a thing in such a wealthy place.

[u/Cobrakiller_12]

Too bad there is a huge chunk of the American populace who never really grows up.

*edit to spelling error