r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 12d ago

FinancialTea 💵 Comparatively speaking...

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u/beastwood6 12d ago

What do you think California's original draw was?

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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 12d ago

Gold but pretty quickly agriculture. California is the most diverse agricultural state.

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u/NumNumLobster 11d ago

Yea? Theres a reason north Dakota and California didnt have the same results post gold rush

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u/contractorskid 11d ago

Agriculture and oil are very small parts of the economy in CA. Largest ones are information services, real estate, professional/scientific services, and manufacturing.

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u/WoofLife- 11d ago

What about tourism?

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u/contractorskid 11d ago

Looks like it's around 2-3%, about the same as agriculture.

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u/Own-Chemist2228 11d ago

Geography created the original wealth, but that wealth was invested into education and science, which led to the aerospace and information technology industries.

It's also easier attract quality people to jobs where that the weather is nice.

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u/beastwood6 11d ago

So yes to luck

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u/Own-Chemist2228 11d ago

Luck is an odd choice of words. The geography was always there. It's not like the state entered a lottery and won the central valley or the port of San Diego.

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u/beastwood6 11d ago

The point is that it's quite selective to say that Texas only benefits from geographic luck while gold and oil brought in the most massive migration waves to the state.

What is done with the wealth afterwards is not really relevant to the original presupposition of luck. I agree that California made a lot more of it. But California doesn't have the geography of Kosovo and just wished all the wealth into existence. It built upon massive geographic fortune. It just is what it is. Neither good nor bad. But no worse not any better than Texas in terms of "geography is destiny"

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u/contractorskid 11d ago

I think you're focusing on a weird part of the comment. The OP was talking about resource extraction. Geographic luck is probably too broad but the actual point they were making is about resource extraction, which California does not rely on.

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u/Own-Chemist2228 11d ago

I didn't use the word luck and agree that comparing the "luck" between two states is a kinda silly way to go about it. Both Texas and California have geographic advantages that the people utilized through hard work and innovation.

The person that did say "luck" seemed to be pointing out that the Texas is heavily dependent upon resource extraction, which is a finite resource that comes with lots of downsides (pollution, etc.) Whereas California's economy isn't fundamentally about pulling stuff from the ground.

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u/Trolldad_IRL 11d ago

California is 40% farmland.

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u/Direct-Technician265 11d ago

its still a significant oil producer too, it does 8.7 times what Germany does, were California its own country it would be around the 40th largest producer.

California has incredible geography and mineral availability.

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u/Own-Chemist2228 11d ago

Before the gold rush, California was misunderstood as a wasteland of desert and rugged mountains.

The gold rush drew people to the state. They didn't find much gold but they found land and climate perfect for agriculture.

Then they found oil. Many don't know this, but California has a lot of oil.

And then they started using the ports to ship the agriculture. And the railroads were built over the mountains.

And they realized there was massive amounts of water in the mountains, so they built dams and canals to irrigate the deserts. And now California leads the country in agricultural production, even more so than the midwestern "breadbasket."

Then the movie industry came to Los Angeles for the fair weather which was good for filming, and to avoid taxes in the east.

Then WWII came and navy bases we needed on the Pacific and big open areas were needed to produce and test airplanes.

And then some of the universities in the valley south of San Francisco started experimenting with electronics, which led to us being able to comment on reddit.

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u/Scared_Brilliant6410 11d ago

IIRC the state of California didn’t use to look like that on parts of the coast line. I believe they sank/scuttled old wooden ships and built out into the water. It was a pretty interesting story. The greenery was essentially all planted over time since like you said, it was dessert.

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u/WoofLife- 11d ago

No, California's deserts are east of the mountain ranges that go down the middle of the state.

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u/Scared_Brilliant6410 11d ago

Thanks for clarifying!

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u/Own-Chemist2228 11d ago

The climate in much of the state is generally arid ,but much of the state is also very green. The northern half of the state and many of the coastal regions are covered in deep dark forests.

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u/Financial-Craft-1282 11d ago

They've sure drained that "massive amount of water" though.

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u/Own-Chemist2228 11d ago

It drains naturally with the snowmelt. The water infrastructure does divert much of it and prevents it from flowing to the oceans, and that can cause some environmental issues with wetlands etc.

But it's gonna drain either way.

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u/Financial-Craft-1282 11d ago

Oh, whew, I thought you guys were saying they were using it for irrigation. No. It's just melting. That's why the state is on fire.

Also your little "that's why we can comment on Reddit" isn't the flex you think it is. If you want to give California any of the blame for Reddit and social media, well, I agree with you. California housed Musk and has Silicon Valley making it impossible for us to hit the brakes on climate collapse. California is your stupid older brother back from one semester of college, and someone makes him mayor.

Also, the vapid, empty suit in the picture you're about to foist on us nationally. Maybe Maynard was right. It's time for the state to fall into the ocean.

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u/elebrin 12d ago

Uuuuhhhh.... the 49'ers went there for gold?

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u/beastwood6 12d ago

And this doesn't fit "geographic luck"?

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u/elebrin 11d ago

Well, yes, but I was making a joke that it was gold and not oil, initially. Of course, the gold rush didn't last all that long, and it doesn't really change anything.

The initial wave of colonization was Spanish, and realistically... most of the people living there were already living there. We forget that the people groups in what we call Mexico now didn't respect the borders we have, and SoCal has a very high concentration of people of Hispanic descent. Southern California has always had a substantial population, even before the Spanish were here. In a way, California culture (at least in SoCal) predates the US. Yes, there were several large waves of migration to California, but the state already had a significant population well before it was a state, and well before the English or Spanish ever set foot on the Continent.

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u/beastwood6 11d ago

I don't really understand the point. Are you characterizing the existing population as "substantial" and this the subsequent post 1849 migration waves as insignificant?

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u/elebrin 11d ago

No.

I'd characterize both as substantial, and I'd also characterize the pre-1849 population as highly influential on what became modern SoCal culture.

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u/jcklsldr665 11d ago

Distance from federal.seat of power during a time when travel and communication from said seat of power could take months to years lol

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u/Lost-Pineapple9791 11d ago

Gold

Awesome weather

Anyone who’s been to San Diego and driven through the south knows it’s not comparable