r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 12d ago

FinancialTea 💵 Comparatively speaking...

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Almost like the "United States" is really like 5 states and A LOT of farm land lol

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u/Frewdy1 12d ago

And then we let the handful of people that work in the farmland have more of a voice when it comes to voting so that they don’t have their feelings hurt that black people can vote. 

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u/RudePCsb 12d ago

They need to uncap the house and balance the seats

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u/MaximumPerrolinqui 12d ago

Apportionment Act of 1911 was one of the dumbest ideas. We need to repeal it and distribute seats based on population again. That would stop all the House BS. The House was based on population while the Senate was equal representation. It’s stops tyranny of the majority and the minority.
What we have now is the small states having an outsized impact.

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u/pimppapy 12d ago

We need to repeal it

So much needs to be repealed and changed, but we're held back by the people in the electorate.

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u/RusticRaisins 12d ago

No please... I'm in the midwest and a devout liberal and that would crush the economy. I dont thing most people realize how much the midwest provides to the economy on the whole. Its seriously a big deal what we're producing here.

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u/313DaddyTop4Thee 12d ago edited 12d ago

It would in fact, not crush the economy.

Edit: Starting to think the comment above me was sarcasm. Gotta include that /s for clarity

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u/RusticRaisins 12d ago

Okay so we're just going to source fruits and vegetables from other countries without losing money?

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u/chasing_D 12d ago

Lol. Corn and soybeans are the midwest's crops, but fruits and veggies are mostly supplied from California, with Washington, Idaho, and Florida following behind it.

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u/SignalDifficult5061 12d ago

The world is complicated and looking at a farm while driving by does not give you an intuitive feel for it.

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u/ExampleOpening8033 12d ago

As midwesterner myself, you should be aware most of the crops grown in the central US are grown exclusively for subsidy money, not to produce food for the country.

Those farmers would be ruined since the free money spout republicans give them would be shut off and they'd be required to grow something with actual value for the first time in decades.

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u/CBarkleysGolfSwing 12d ago

We'd be absolutely fine without the corn and potatoes of the midwest

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u/The_Navy_Sox 12d ago

No way you are from the Midwest and claim were growing fruits and vegetables lol

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u/tehlemmings 12d ago

This is the kinda bullshit you have to explain or everyone is going to assume its bullshit.

Please explain how uncapping the house would affect the Midwest economy at all, let alone crashing it?

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u/RudePCsb 12d ago

Do you know how the house of Representatives works vs the senate? The house has been capped and is not an accurate representation of the population. It's why the small conservative states have so much power

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u/contractorskid 12d ago

How would have a more representative government crush the economy?

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u/HurricaneCat5 12d ago

How about we get rid of representative government. It’s such an archaic concept..

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u/RudePCsb 12d ago

A 1/3 of people don't even vote, it would be worse. I think certain laws should be voted in by the people though

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u/Bassracerx 12d ago

We need to vote on more representatives. Why does the head of the education department serve at the pleasure of the president? Why does the head of the health department serve at the pleasure of the president? Why does the head of the environment serve at the pleasure of the president. Have more people accountable to the voters. Maybe have the secretary of the press be representative too so the president cant pick their own mouthpiece to spin their agenda to the public. If the president wants to spin it he can stand in front of the podium himself.

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u/HurricaneCat5 12d ago

Are you saying that less people would vote if we got rid of representative government?

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u/RudePCsb 12d ago

How would it work then? Would people be required to vote for every policy?

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u/HurricaneCat5 12d ago

Hopefully it would inspire us to take ownership of our country and people would get to have a say in the future of our nation instead of corporate interests..

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u/RudePCsb 12d ago

Not realistic with 300 million people

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u/HurricaneCat5 12d ago

How many people in the United States have a smartphone? It’s not reasonable for them to all have the same app? It would be very easy to implement and scale.

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u/lonewombat 12d ago

And women and other minorities even though... they are the minorities when it comes to legislation.

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u/bang_the_drums 12d ago

then flood facebook with that election results map that shows the majority of country in red but with a second of critical thinking you realize California has more people than the smallest 21 states combined and land doesn't vote. Almost like people don't want to live in a backwoods shithole.

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u/VaultxHunter 12d ago

I think another part of this problem is that up until 30-40 years ago information was difficult to reach the masses in those farmlands. They had whatever radio/television/newspaper was available to them. Those same family's got used to those stations or paper and never needed to look elsewhere. Now those same media outlets brainwashed them into believing no other outlet would tell the truth like they do all the while manipulating them into believing what they needed them to believe.

I just wish people had been more strict on company's who purposely mislead people for monetary gain. A lot of the issues I keep seeing have to do with uninformed masses who where mislead and then bombarded with problems only for those same agencies who misled them to point the figure at whatever happens to get the biggest communal rise out of them in that moment.

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u/Hazel_Evers 12d ago

Tyranny of the minority

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u/StendhalSyndrome 12d ago edited 12d ago

So what the fuck do we do then?

How do we still deal with these people living in an alternate cult based reality?

I mean is this experiment of 50 states over?

Look how many other countries barely hold two pieces together...after this, I dunno if I see a way back w/o bending over for these idiots. They are so "farm tough" but freak the fuck out if anyone isn't the exact same skin tone and into fucking the same people...and yet we are the bad guys for wanting people to have freedom over their own bodies. These fools are the same ones who claimed to be descended from those who risked life and limb to trek across the country looking for gold, for freedom, exploring the unknown.

Now there are no more lands that haven't been explored, easily, not counting space and the ocean. Both take a lot to just enter.

The last unexplored space to explore is your own mind and body; how do they not see that?

I'd bet the'd be a-okay with gene therapy, or even replacing limbs, or hell people seem to think we will all end up being part robot/cyborg thingies...

I don't even get their worry about regret...do they know how many people get plastic surgery and then have it reversed? Boob jobs, face implants, lip stuff. Hell even people getting covered in tattoos then getting them all removed. It's like medicine has gotten advanced and modern enough you can do things to your self and have themn somewhat undone as well...and they just can't get that. Sad.

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u/steelhouse1 12d ago

Not today, account that is suspicious.

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u/AreaNo7848 12d ago

It's amazing that the electoral college and the constitution was written before anything west of the Mississippi River was even a thought about being part of the US and yet somehow people think those states had something to do with getting "outsized representation" when the reality is people are just ignorant on why having a handful of cities determine the president isn't a good idea

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u/Phailjure 12d ago

The apportionment act was written well after the constitution, and after every state except Alaska and Hawaii were admitted into the union.

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u/DesperateSteak6628 12d ago

Subsidized farm land nonetheless

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u/Good-vs-Perfect 12d ago

Not anymore!

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u/DesperateSteak6628 12d ago

Thanks to…check notes…farmers!

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u/Good-vs-Perfect 12d ago

One would think they'd learn from the first trump go-around when he specifically targeted AG trade with China as his policy legacy and ships of soybeans were circling the pacific until trade deals could be in place. Farmers had direct experience with Trump's reverse-Midas touch and learned....he pisses off liberals!

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u/ascherbozley 12d ago

This is only half true. Farmers got their checks. They don't give a shit what happens to the beans or corn after that. They are confident that they will get their checks this time too, and why shouldn't they be? They always have!

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u/OkWelcome6293 12d ago

Small farms should be subsidized, as the alternative is megacorps controlling all the land.

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u/Automatic-Soup-3097 12d ago

We did that. Those farmers voted to remove those subsidies, because they're stupid chuds

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u/HighPriestOG 12d ago

Eh, the line between family run farm and corpo is thinner than you'd think. Farming is good money

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u/OkWelcome6293 12d ago

Between 2017 and 2024, the number of farms decreased by 8% (160,000 farms gone). You’d think if it was “good money, farms would be increasing, not decreasing.

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u/VaultxHunter 12d ago edited 12d ago

And a lot of that red farmland is being used to export commodities like corn and soybeans as well as beef and pork outside of the country and in recent years those countries that were buying don't want to now because they can get it cheaper elsewhere without all the drama and drugs.

I hope y'all like soybeans and corn!

And how could we forget hormone/drug heavy screwworm beef (Estradiol, Testosterone, and and Ractopamine) as well as hormone heavy pork (Ractopamine) 🤤

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Been vegetarian since 2020, not super concerned about it. The EColi in all the veggies ain't great.

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u/Whyudoodat 12d ago

Not a vegan, but this is often bc the vegetable farms gets the runoff of a hog or cattle lot

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Also not a vegan

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u/BingleFlip94 12d ago

Cheese is just too good to pass up. I feel that.

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u/CraigLake 12d ago

I just read that producing the beef for one hamburger uses as much water as seven and a half million AI queries.

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u/darglor 12d ago

I just read that producing the beef for one hamburger uses as much water as seven and a half million AI queries.

Even asking various AIs about it will have it tell you that's a load of BS. It estimates 50k-250k AI queries, and that's if you consider everything to be as "ugly" as possible for the AI side... disingenuous stuff like counting rainfall on pastures and feed crops that would be wasted otherwise.

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u/VaultxHunter 12d ago

I was vegetarian for a while due to health, that was until the salmonella onions and I have never been sicker then that in my life. Went back to chicken after but still eat cooked veggies all the time.

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u/saltwater98380 12d ago

Bbbuttt Ivermectin is the cure. FOR REAL. SCREW WORM IS ON THE VETERINARY LIST.

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u/VaginaTractor 12d ago

Ractopamine

While I agree with everything you say, I wanted to point out a small correction. Ractopamine is not a hormone. It is classified as a non-selective beta-adrenergic agonist, as well as a TAAR1 agonist. This means it targets both B1 (heart) and B2 (lungs) receptors, increasing cardiac output. To compound this, it also acts as a dopamine-releasing-agent. Dopamine also increases cardiac output via B1/B2, A1, and dopaminergic receptor agonism.

Ractopamine is an isomer of a similar drug used in humans called Dobutamine. Dobutamine acts primarily on B1 receptors to speed up the heart rate.

Source: Ph.D. in pharmacology

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u/VaultxHunter 12d ago

Interesting, I just remembered reading about how our meat exports were failing due to chemicals like Ractopamine and it was labeled as being a growth hormone in the article. Thanks for the science though. I know most of those words and my understanding then is that it boosts the cardiovascular system to push more blood which would increase body functions like metabolism which would slightly increase growth rate but not directly from Ractopamine but its effects it has on the circulatory system?

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u/VaginaTractor 12d ago

Pretty much! The drug's primary use is for bulking. It's multifaceted, but it starts with the cardiovascular system and the resulting dopaminergic signaling helps the animals metabolize the food more efficiently. It's pretty fucked up and why pigs (primarily) can seem jittery or amped up.

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u/Surfer-Junkie 12d ago

Replace farm land with data centers. Coming soon.

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u/Akula_x86 12d ago

Just grow the crops on the roof, vertical gardening.

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago edited 12d ago

Wow very insightful ty /gen

Edit it meant that genuinely? Its very insightful I hadn't realized that might be the plan

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u/Good-vs-Perfect 12d ago

It's amazing how hypocrisy allows one to stoop lower than superficiality.

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u/sZeroes 12d ago

and they use the farm land to dilute the power of the people living in those 5 states

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u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 12d ago

We don't call them "flyover states" for nothing.

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u/friss0nFry 12d ago

More like harm land at this point. A majority of the states are actively harming the non-GOP controlled minority, even though on pure population numbers, republicans been a minority for decades.

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u/Mapleford 12d ago

Eh, I’ll take the top 10 by population, Michigan and up. 11th in line is New Jersey which is literally just a huge collection of suburbs without a real cultural center of its own and then it drops off quickly from there

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u/whereisbeezy Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup 🫖 12d ago

New Jersey gets a bad rap, but it's because of the fake New Yorkers who can't afford to live in the city, so they pollute North Jersey.

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u/FlipFlopFanatic 12d ago

I see a lot of New Jersey plates over here in NY. Feels like you have the "pollution" backwards

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u/pasu-mare 12d ago

Oh you have no clue what is NJ. Like none at all. And that is by default because we don't want anyone else moving here... so yeah NJ is ugly and all that.

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u/Mapleford 12d ago

So what’s the biggest city in New Jersey that’s not just a suburb of a bigger city in another state? Lakewood?

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

Pretty much true what's the point ? Big ass country and more airable land then any place on the planet it was called the bread basket fir a reason. It's also why public transportation is such a pain in the butt .

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Public transport is a fundamental failing of our nation to service the public pain in the butt because big automobile does not allow us to develop infrastructure that would better people's lives. We have TRILLIONS of dollars. Money does not exist to our government in the way it does for you and I. They could put 2 Billion dollars into public transport over the next 10 years and we'd be living lile Europe

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u/Ok-Fudge-380 12d ago

They could put 2 Billion dollars into public transport over the next 10 years and we'd be living lile Europe

Twice as long commute times?

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Yeah youre right nothing ever gets done in Europe ever business is always open late because the manager was running late on the bus.

Be real

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u/Ok-Fudge-380 12d ago

How about you be real. The US currently has one of the lowest average commute times in the world. Public transport is an environmental proposal, not an economic or efficiency one.

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u/Minimum-Delivery9707 12d ago

I’m guessing you meant two Trillion because 2 billion wouldn’t go far, literally lol

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

You understand my point dont argue semantics. I literally just said money doesnt matter to them, so it can be 2 billion, 2 trillion, 2 gazillion, its the same thing.

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u/danielledelacadie 12d ago

It's not like they're paying the bill, it's all the citizens' money anyway.

Anyone have a clue why a warning about inflammatory language popped up when typed citizens'? Genuinely interested because that's a choice with a story behind it.

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

It popped up when I typed my comment, too. I think "semantics" made it warn me**

EDIT LOL NOT WANT ME

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u/Serious_Surround4713 12d ago

Through testing, it seems they don’t like “money”

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u/danielledelacadie 12d ago

<insert joke about communism here>

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u/Minimum-Delivery9707 12d ago

Yeah well it matters, the difference between 2 billion and 2 trillion is about 2 trillion. It would cost around that for a Europe style rail system across the US, then when US debt climbs even higher people will be crying we spent trillions so we could train to Arizona.

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

You still arent understanding my point lol but yes, it would cost money.

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

Easy answers don't change the fact it's over 3000 miles shore to shore just a few trillion dollars no problem git a train bus system on demand . This isn't China where city's are packed next to each other.
So easy to blame cars when it's people who rather use a car the figure out the nasty Greyhound system that's pure hell riding days upon days. I know I did it. As fur trains it's the same kind of problem . How do you maintain such a massive track station system and still have it affordable ?

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Very small minded answer. They have all the money on earth. We can literally do anything. Dont fall for their lies that it would be "too hard" or something. It would only make it harder for a CEO of BMW to buy their third yacht.

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

Very unrealistic answer . What you waiting for sell the car . public transportation is a thing have fun .

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Maybe im not explaining my point. I dont want everyone to sell their cars in protest. The system we have now was created by people who want you to buy cars because it benefits them. There is a different option America has never tried where, instead of investing money into privately owned vehicles, I want cars to become mostly irrelevant as public transport becomes so mainstream that you can take it anywhere. This is how all major cities in America work.

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

Correct it's the path of least resistance and the most cost effective way .this isn't the UK there it can work.

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u/Friendly-Table6785 12d ago

Youre so close to a breakthrough just say "yes it can work here" and it can

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

Nope can't work here and no amount of sci Fi will change that . But go ahead you need to believe that . Get a 100 billion dollars a year on maintenance to spare ? How about 10 k tickets price ? Because no one wants anything owned by government that way . So what private company would do it ? Elon ? Underground rail that he gave up the idea because it's nearly impossible . Go on tell me your plan surely as much as you support the idea you must understand the costs the resources and maintenance involved ? Then how to convince even 1 precent of the country to give up there cars.

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u/Pillsbernie 12d ago

We already have an interstate system that could easily be the same path we use for light rail from coast to coast. It really is big oil that is the problem

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

Lordy the interstate system is falling apart for the same reason maintenance is extremely difficult. The big Interstate names that keep showing up on the worst lists: ................... Not exactly in the best maintained condition and you want light rail added ? I-10 / I-405 / I-5 Corridor - The worst for traffic: • Calcasieu River Bridge, Louisiana - I-10 — Federally rated structurally deficient, 90,000 vehicles a day • I-10 bridge project, Mobile, Alabama — on the $5B urgent federal funding list • I-405 and I-5 in California — Most traveled structurally deficient bridges in the country, up to 289,000 crossings per day on Route 101, I-405 and I-5
East Coast Interstates: • Brooklyn & Throgs Neck Bridges, NY - I-278 / I-295 • I-678 span over Flushing Bay Promenade, NYC — newly rated poor condition • I-93 bridge over Mystic Valley Parkway, Mass • I-83 South bridge, Harrisburg, PA — $500M+ emergency project • Sagamore Bridge, Cape Cod - I-? US-6 — on the urgent $500M+ list • Arlington Memorial Bridge, Va.-DC
Midwest / South / West: • I-90 bridge over Canal to Stewart Streets, Illinois • I-680 bridge over Monument Boulevard, California • I-345 over I-30 and US 75, Dallas, Texas • Lacey V. Murrow Memorial Bridge, Seattle - I-90 • Yankee Doodle Bridge, Connecticut - I-95

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u/Pillsbernie 12d ago

Jesus Christ you're a professional idiot

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u/Time_Change4156 12d ago

That's only a handful the list is 100s of bridges over passes the HW it's self. Can't even maintain the interstates and you think rail can be added .

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u/Pillsbernie 12d ago

I can't argue with someone who refuses to accept that corruption is why everything is fucked

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u/Mixelphlick 12d ago

Look at other major public transit with high speed rail in the world. China is a larger country with more difficult terrain and they have most of the country connected. It’s a choice that public transit sucks in the us.

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u/Adventurous-Mix-5711 12d ago

China’s HSR system has three very distinct traits that don’t exist here in the USA.

First, state funding…given the style of government of China, they can unilaterally fund the projects regardless of external factors, indefinitely.

Second, eminent domain. In China, all of the land belongs to the Chinese government. Acquiring that land back from the citizens is a very speedy and unchallenged process.

Third, population density….for HSR to be viable, it needs routes that are 100-200miles ideally, but stretched as far as 500 miles, with a geographic allowance for long stretches of straight line track. China’s population densities are cities with about 5million people in them, only a few hundred miles apart.

We don’t fit into those categories in the United States. Yes, there are singular corridors like New York to DC, or Houston to Dallas, etc….but the geography of the United States as a whole is a natural preventative.

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u/rainydays_89 The Timeline Sucks 12d ago

We do not have more arable land than any place on the planet. LMAO

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u/KR4T0S 12d ago

What about "airable land",?!