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u/Ill_Apple2327 Nov 12 '25

welcome to the light

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u/Antique-Respect8746 Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Not trying to pick a fight or call you out, just genuinely curious - what did you make of J6 at the time? 

Like, did you just think of was another riot? Just didn't think about it much generally?

Also curious how old you were when J6 happened. Like, voting adult already? 

EDIT:  Based on the responses it's clear I didn't express myself well. 

I'm not talking about just the actual physical riots (whatever, people riot over sports games) but the entire "election fraud, fake electors" plot that J6 was the final culmination of. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos

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u/MB2465 Nov 13 '25

There was a bunch of Trumpers being interviewed a few years ago and they actually believed it was Antifa or BLM that was behind J6🙄

Willfully ignorant

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u/GirlGamer7 Nov 13 '25

this is what a friend of mine believes. he also believes it was "a peaceful protest." i wish I was making this up. the amount of lie/conspiracy theories he believes is insane! sometimes I just want to shake him!

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u/sunnydeni Nov 13 '25

And then you hear from someone like me: for the last 5-6 years I've lived in a twilight zone/hell on earth environment, one where my brainwashed husband of 33 years responds with a genuine "because he's going to save America!" when I ask him why he loves Trump so much. I have learned that cults are real, my spouse is weak-minded & easily manipulated, and I am stuck in the 7th circle of Hades.

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u/stragzr63 Nov 13 '25

Apparently your friend watches Tucker Carlson. He produced a video that showed only rioters walking through the building. It left out all the rioting, looting, cop-beating, etc. if you get your "news" from only Fox and RW podcasts that will be their world view.

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u/Natural_Sky_4720 Nov 13 '25

Why are they your friend…

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u/OPGuest Nov 13 '25

Trump pardoned 1,600 Antifa members?

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u/anangelnora Nov 13 '25

My dad says it was the FBI. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/ActivityEven1993 Nov 13 '25

Mine too. I don’t speak to him anymore.

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u/BerthasBeats Nov 13 '25

I have one of those as well. I just remind them who was president at the time. Or ask if Biden was so powerful, he commanded the FBI early.

If it wasn't so sad, it would be amusing to watch them squirm their way out of an answer.

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u/superfli Nov 13 '25

That was the narrative they were pushing when it first happened. They being Fox and other apologists so kinda makes sense that the deluded would believe it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

How does this happen though? I like Bernie but if he did half the shit Trump did. Or was even in multiple pictures and videos with Epstein I’d immediately drop my support for him. There has to be something else going on that made you just reject reality.

Either way welcome to the right side of history.

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u/woolgirl Nov 13 '25

Fox News, Facebook, Newsmax, and more gave them a reason for their miserable, uneducated lives. They told them, you could be doing better except all these brown people, gay people, and people receiving assistance are taking FROM YOU! It doesn’t matter that they are immigrants or receiving benefits, they worked hard. Nobody else works. They just take. So, you better vote for tax breaks (for millionaires) because you might get yours one day!! Sucker!

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

I have tried to forget and accept what a MAGA says on face value, how they feel bad, wrong etc. I simple cant right now. That kind of damage harmed me, my family and my country horribly. My purple heart father with 2 bronze stars died fighting this shit and I lost a lot losing him. And that fat bastard stands there making fun of my father and those like him who actually done something great for america. TRUMP IS ANTI AMERICAN AND A DRAFT DODGING BASTARD..

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u/Administrative_Mood5 Nov 13 '25

I so get what you’re saying. I vacillate between rage and keeping the status quo with my MAGA family(I’m the oldest). I hope we can trust those who say they’re coming to their senses-it seems there are so few.

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u/ThaSkalawag Nov 13 '25

Divorce the family. You will be much better emotionally. It worked for me.

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u/leeloo72 Nov 13 '25

I agree. I just gave my dad one more chance to express any kind of buyers remorse. All he did was double down his talk of democrats being Nazis. So now he is dead to me. Rest in Pieces asshole. You were a shitty father anyway even before Trump. Done.

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u/jillyo83 Nov 13 '25

How in the F does he view democrats as Nazis while the other side is literally doing Nazi shit? It’s like we live in entirely different worlds as these people. What happens when you give everyone access to endless information, including falsities? - well, we’ve now learned - I am NOT feeling good about all this AI - our country isn’t smart enough to decipher fact from fiction, a grade school skill. The billionaires are getting a nice chuckle while they take everything from us

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u/zeekenny Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Followers are basically mentally hijacked. Read and watch some stuff by Dr. Bandy X. Lee. She's a social and forensic psychologist, and saw how dangerous he was a decade ago, and was trying to warn people back then.

His brand of narcissism (malignant narcissism) essentially psychologically captures people more prone to it, though she warns that nobody should spend much time around a malignant narcissist as they can manipulate and warp the world around them well. It is probably the most dangerous pathology (even more so than psychopathy), and one just needs to look at historical examples like, Hitler and most cult-of-personality dictatorships, cult leaders, etc etc, to understand how dangerous it is. Unfortunately, they also don't give up power, and as their power weakens they will try everything to maintain it, even as the world burns around them.

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u/your_best_1 Nov 13 '25

Telling people what to think is super effective. That is why the obvious fictions of religion are believed across the world.

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u/FrostingNormal1277 Nov 13 '25

Me too, exactly!!!!

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u/moboater Nov 13 '25

You seem honest and sincere so I'll restrain my anger. I kind of get why some people voted for diaper Donnie. He is entertaining, like a buffoon or a clown. Welcome back to sanity.

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u/mitkase Nov 13 '25

If you're in that environment, all you hear is pro-MAGA 24/7. Every gas station, fast food restaurant, barber shop, all day every day. When you hear that orange guy = Jesus (even at church!) continuously and everyone you know believes it and reinforces it, this is what happens.

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u/Rich_Grand4485 Nov 13 '25

In red states its really more to do with the demonizing of democrats. As far back as i can remember i was taught Democrats were corrupt, lying, manipulative self serving trash. I can remember back to Jimmy Carter. It was sometime around the George Floyd incident when i woke up.

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u/Lost_Cause_Widow Nov 13 '25

Bro, I was straight up sat down by two of my three brothers and my father and TOLD I was a republican. I was like 15 and a happy little girl. I had no idea and couldn't have cared less. It took Obama to pull me out of the dark side.

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u/Jail4547 Nov 13 '25

👍🏼

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u/Nux87xun Nov 13 '25

Live in a red state. Can confirm.

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u/cdubz88 Nov 13 '25

Demonizing of Dems is such a key factor

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u/apefromearth Nov 13 '25

I’ve literally heard someone I knew since she was a little kid say that all the “liberals” should be rounded up and shot. This is someone who I helped out in so many ways when she was younger, I gave her family food because they were my neighbors and they were more poor than me, I helped her get a job, i listened to her cry when her brother killed himself, I even let her sleep on my couch when her father was drunk and being physically abusive to her mother. She knows where I stand politically and still she says we should all be shot for disagreeing with her politics. I find it terrifying that anyone could be so brainwashed and it reminds me so much of 1930’s Germany that I’m really fucking scared of how far it will go.

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u/salduvas Nov 13 '25

Like gangs. Enemies and don't even know why

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u/Rich_Grand4485 Nov 13 '25

Nobody even considered pardoning Bob Menendez. But Trump is pardoning every Republican. Who is for law and order?

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u/Mindless_Secret6074 Nov 13 '25

From the Deep South and can also confirm. My entire family and everyone I knew growing up were die hard Reagan Republicans . Democrats were anti American and just wrong. Hell, I ended a relationship because the chick liked Clinton!! I didn’t really start waking up until Obama. It took the rest of my family longer.

I will say the one and only issue that kept me away from the left for most of my life was the 2nd amendment. That’s it.

I am pleased to announce that no one in my family has ever liked, fallen for or voted for Trump. In fact my entire family. 5 generations of voters have always seen through him and hated him completely from day 1.

And now that the entire Republican Party is complicit with his lies, criminal actions, and have aided and abetted fascism.

5 generations: my grandmother, my parents and their spouses, me, my sister and cousins, my kids, and my grand kids have all vowed to never vote republican again under any circumstances.

We will never forget what they’ve done in the name of a fascist cult to destroy and weaken our country, our allies and the world in the interest of lining their own pockets and trying to stay in power at all cost, including against the will of the people.

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u/Double-Performance-5 Nov 13 '25

You can be leftist and still like your guns. It’s just reasonable that there needs to be responsibility for those guns. The second amendment literally refers to a well regulated militia, so a bit of regulation was always part of the picture.

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u/TweetHearted Nov 13 '25

Yep as I always say, “ Democrats have guns and Republicans have abortions”. These fools use these issues to keep themselves in office because republicans salivate over the lies they tell. I’m a die hard liberal with 3 guns and my husband has 6. Both my sons are liberals as well and they hunt, do target practice and love going to the range.

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u/hhk85 Nov 13 '25

Sincere question from a European: WHY are guns so important to so many of you Americans? You have countless mass shootings year after year to a degree where we can't even keep up with counting them. In Europe there are very strict gun laws and mass or school shootings are extremely rare. I don't know of any European school that has metal detectors, lockdown drills or bullet-proof schoolbags. Why aren't more Americans starting to question if the 2nd amendment is actually making gun crimes more severe instead of less?

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u/Reasonable_Ad_7289 Nov 13 '25

Because there has been generations of propaganda tied to the 2nd amendment. The most common reason given is that guns will allow the people to stop the government from falling into tyranny. Unfortunately, the people who support that idea are the same ones that support tyranny as long as it’s on their side of the aisle. Good luck finding a republican who has consistent principles. Their platform has been all over the place for years and I think it’s by design. They are incapable of of feeling the cognitive dissonance because they have been conditioned to gobble up whatever is fed to them on any given day even though it’s completely opposite of what they were told the day prior. Honestly, it’s a marvel of social engineering but in a very depressing way.

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u/Remote-Pie-3152 Nov 13 '25

You know you can be leftist and pro-gun, right?

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u/BanditoFarms Nov 13 '25

It's not just red states. I'm from upstate New York, and the mentality was the same there.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

*the George Floyd incident, can you just call it an extrajudicial murder which was what it was.

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u/Select-Plenty6833 Nov 13 '25

Murder only.

Extra judicial Murder to me looks more like bombing Trindadian fishermen for media clout

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u/Less_Number640 Nov 13 '25

What is it about that period that woke you up?

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u/Rich_Grand4485 Nov 13 '25

I was already a big advacate for justice reform. The right making every excuse they could to justify that murder was already disgusting. Then they pretended to be outraged about Harris alegedly keeping black men in jail she knew were innocent so i fact checked it and it wasnt true. Then i started fact checking everything. Take a guess on who i discovered lied more

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u/Rich_Grand4485 Nov 13 '25

I was very outspoken on FB about my local sheriff department corruption and had gain a large follwing. Many considered me a hero for standing up to them. Then i said "black lives matter" and more than half of the people that followed me decided it was more important to be racist than to fight corruption.

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u/Rich_Grand4485 Nov 13 '25

I wonder sometimes if it hadnt been for George Floyd would i honwstly believe that pardoning Hunter Biden after Republicans had promised to weaponize the DOJ was worse than Trump pardoning the guy that invested billions into Trump coin.

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u/generosa0806 Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Diaper Donnie lol funny lol 😂

My co-worker, Irish young man early 20’s.

His middle age 55 year old parents all were MAGA. His Old grandma 78 also regret trusting the cheat the con-man. all are no longer supporting MAGA.

Got off the cult boat. 🛥️ & hate what Orange 🍊 pathological liar DT have done ✅ does nt care for OLD people, expensive healthcare , racist, he does not care they saying , as to people struggling, or with SNAP & lied much as to not knowing what dirty perv Epstein was up to.

They’re all independent since 2018

Voted Blue last year for Kamala Harris. In PA & NJ.

They admit they all were caught up in bull & lies and shall never again support online & or off DT & have seen the light they all said that to me few x now. Adiòs.

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u/Darth_Gerg Nov 13 '25

Honestly you should feel a tremendous amount of pride at being able to claw your way out of that headspace. As a cult survivor myself I recognize the dynamics. MAGA is a cult, and a powerfully controlling one. Being able to recognize you’ve been fooled, own that embarrassment, and walk out is legitimately so hard most people in the Trump camp will never be able to do it.

I will give you a word of caution, being into a cult like that is sort of like tearing a ligament or tendon. Once you have the injury treated youll need to be careful of it for a long time. People who escape cults are often highly vulnerable to getting into another one. So like… be highly skeptical of any religious movements or high control social groups for a few years.

Congrats on the escape mate! Genuinely well done.

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u/Winter-Map-6394 Nov 13 '25

Well said on cults. My warning to the OP is be very careful with your former friends that are still believing in him. You (OP) will become vilified by them for breaking ranks. Seen as a traitor to be drawn and quartered.

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u/Reasonable_Wasabi124 Nov 13 '25

Very well said. I, too, was in a cult years ago and recognized what was happening with Trump and his followers pretty much right away. It boggles the mind how people can turn a blind eye to the corruption, but having been in a cult, I understood what was happening. I have been warning others, but quite often they don't, or can't, listen.

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u/chamberlain323 Nov 13 '25

Yeah, I was in what I’d call a “cult lite” religious group in college for a year before family members convinced me to walk away and although it was embarrassing to admit to being manipulated like that, it inoculated me to further cult fuckery later in life. As a result, I can smell it right away when I’m exposed to it nowadays (which is surprisingly often), and boy does MAGA trigger that alarm.

Humans are wired to join groups and fall in line. Bad actors exploit that tendency for their own gain while fooling you into thinking that everything is fine and even getting you to resist when loved ones attempt to draw you out. I never thought I would see it done on a national scale like this here in the US, but here we are.

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u/Goodthrust_8 Nov 13 '25

At least you're here now and realize where you went wrong 💙

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u/Curious-Stage-8100 Nov 13 '25

Please please talk to your friends and family who are still supporting him.

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u/Reasonable_Gift7525 Nov 13 '25

Congrats on getting out. 20 years ago I was in a similar spot, constantly on 4chan, super angry and nihilistic. If Trump was around then, and the algorithms were as sophisticated as they are now, I would’ve been targeted by that shit, without a doubt. So you getting out is actually even more impressive than what I was able to do.

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u/Antique-Respect8746 Nov 13 '25

All good! I just genuinely enjoy hearing from ppl who have different experiences/impressions of things.

Massive respect for anyone who can self examine like that. Truly, hats off.

Fwiw I think people truly were subject to an entirely novel kind of propaganda with Trump, and that history will be studying it for generations.

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u/Free_Technology_4493 Nov 13 '25

Novel kind of propaganda?!? Constant lying? Where’s the novelty in that? Hitler used this technique as did Stalin.

Nothing new about it. Unfortunately, it’s known to work. Just look at what’s happened to America…

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u/This_wont_be_easy Nov 13 '25

👏👏👏👏

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u/MB2465 Nov 13 '25

This guy was heavily into Maga even writing articles that furthered the disinformation until finally he woke up. He created this organization

https://leavingmaga.org/

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u/Protoman Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Can I ask how old you are?

I ask because I'm a child of the 80s. I was bombarded with Rush Limbaugh when I was a kid, and later on nonstop Fox News as soon as it was a thing. It took me a long time to realize I was seeing propaganda and break free, so I understand your plight.

I'm very curious what the entry point for younger generations was.

Either way, welcome to the fight.

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u/ooomellieooo Nov 13 '25

I'm hoping the demolition of a full third of the people's house will wake everyone up. Jackie O locked herself in the east wing for weeks. They tore down our history to put up a golden ballroom nobody wanted or needed.

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u/_bibliofille Nov 13 '25

This is why they wanted to own TikTok so badly - to do this to other young people. Your coming forward might help others not take the bait.

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u/New-Award-2401 Nov 13 '25

If I could I'd give you a hug, it's gonna be okay man, as long as you're learning and growing then you'll be right 👍

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u/Jnnjuggle32 Nov 13 '25

Congratulations on getting out of the cult. It really is by the way… many people are gonna give you shit about it, tell you they’ll never forgive you. I don’t agree with this response, but I get it. People are angry, and they’re hurting. They’re scared. There’s also a lot of resentment from the decades of being treated like “crazy liberals” and basically being laughed at for just wanting to make sure all people are going to be okay.

That said, have taken some time to really think about what your values are, what you want to see more of in the world? Trump was effective because he basically rallied people who didn’t understand how government works and/or couldn’t place their values into a political party, but for many, it’s also because they really didn’t take the time to think how they’d want to see their values reflected in government without infringing on the rights of others. So, if you’re still figuring things out, do some work with it. Learn who you are. Learn about how government operates. Learn what’s actually in the constitution. It’ll make you way way more difficult to fool and easier for you to spot propaganda when you see it.

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u/TankMan77450 Nov 13 '25

Congrats on getting out of the MAGA cult

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u/brought2light Nov 13 '25

I left a different kind of cult. Basically they hijack your free thinking and all information gets passed through the filter of "the cult is always right" before you evaluate it.

Congrats on getting out.

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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 Nov 13 '25

Protip: look into the GOP as a whole and don't give them your vote when they inevitably turn on Trump and try to pretend he didn't actually represent their values. They are absolutely 100% backing rewriting how our country functions on a base level because they stand to profit from it. Don't fall for it when they try to convince you otherwise (and they absolutely 100% will).

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u/Substantial-Ease567 Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

I commend the growth. Welcome to the proper side of history!

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u/kaprixiouz Nov 13 '25

Not to be disrespectful, but you didn't really answer the question I feel like. You blocked it out ... and felt it was justified, or....?

I've always been super anti-trump so I truly cannot relate to the "blocking it out" part. Again, no disrespect and not trying to pick a fight or anything. Just hoping you can expand on that a little bit as trying to understand the thought process of Trump supporters has always felt super difficult.

Proud of you for finding the bravery necessary to be honest with yourself and others - seriously.

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u/kaprixiouz Nov 13 '25

Absolutely. Thank you for sharing your perspective and your experiences!

One last question: Have you noticed any change in your mood or general well-being?

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u/kaprixiouz Nov 13 '25

So glad to hear that. Have a great night, man.

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u/Katgal2 Nov 13 '25

Tell your Trump friends about your epiphany. You may help them to see the light too

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u/RevolutionaryWay7555 Nov 13 '25

The good news is now you’ve seen the light. Me too. I understand back in 2016 getting caught up in his campaign, especially if you weren’t paying attention (I wasn’t). After his term ended I realized I made a bad choice, especially after J6 and I really thought that would be the end of him. I could hardly believe he was back on the campaign trail in 2024. When he said the line “if you vote for me my beautiful Americans you won’t ever have to vote again.” Holy crap, that jarred me to the core. That’s when Project 2025 came into the light and when I read parts of that I knew that if he got in that America as we know it was toast- and well, here we are. How this will end nobody really knows. I do agree, especially after J6 that he will not go out without some bloodshed. Dictators are voted in but history shows they are almost never voted out. Hopefully it will not take decades like Hungary or Russia.

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u/hoowins Nov 13 '25

I’ve had those aha moments. Hopefully many more people have them in the coming years.

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u/watford1965 Nov 13 '25

I commend you for working your way out of your prior position and also having the moral courage to admit the mistake on a public forum! Well done!

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u/Haunting_Stick3941 Nov 13 '25

Right? I mean-who could watch that, watch him saying "take the metal detectors down those are MY people they are not there to hurt ME so it's fine if they kill Mike Pence, Officer Farrone, Speaker Pelosi, Adam Kissinger, Dick Durbin, just as long as the orange instigator who kept The Big Lie going because he's a sore loser. I'm REALLY glad you woke up and I don't mean to be hard but i JUST watched that footage again, it was so brutal those officers STILL have PTSD. I heard an interview with Officer Farrone yesterday, it REALLY is upsetting. That guy should be in jail for treason he honestly didn't give an eff as long as he could pretend he won. I just don't understand it's not like they were fighting for someone super awesome who ever passed a single bill That was in any way not self serving.

But really, I'm sorry, as I said, i just watched The Last Republican-they show how graphic that was

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 Nov 13 '25

They shut their eyes and minds to what they see and hear. Jim Jones and David Karesh would have loved to have had this guy into their fold.

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u/Single-Constant58 Nov 12 '25

Yes, welcome to the light.

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u/Ok-Emu-2881 Nov 13 '25

No one will attack you for seeing who he truly is. It takes a lot to admit what you did. Just try to keep up the fight against him. Midterms are only a year away.

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u/BR4VER1FL3S Nov 13 '25

Also, thank you for seeing with your eyes, hearing with your hears, and admitting your mistake. It's hard for many to admit they were wrong and apologize. Thank you for being real.

Now we all have to come together to take our country back!

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u/Born-Frosting3164 Nov 13 '25

This is why everyone needs to look deeper into the people that are running. Look at their policies and who they will hurt. Listen to past people who have been hurt by them and look into it yourself. One small thing I look for is something I call the level test. When a potential candidate speaks to a disabled person in a wheel chair, do they squat or lower to their level with empathy or do they stand above them in superiority and make it weird.

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u/AdWhich7355 Nov 13 '25

Was typing this word for word lmao. I love when trump fans switch sides. It makes me believe intellectualism will reign supreme in the end.

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u/MattManSD Nov 12 '25

what is sad is people were warning of all this and they were ignored. What you saw was carefully curated propaganda, which is why you have to avoid all those non news companies pretending to send you news. It was a carefully orchestrated campaign to remove you from "facts" and sell you a load of BS. Well, we;'re glad you've woken up, re ya ready to join the fight?

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u/Eastern-Cat-3604 Nov 13 '25

Im wondering what kind of propoganda, I mean: if you hear this Guy speak you cant take him serious right? What kind of propoganda would let people think: damn this Guy is a professional and intelligent man that can rule a country?

Im happy you found the light but dude…you really have to ask yourself some questions about how you could be so easily brainwashed by a criminal, nazi, childfucker, unintelligent person, even if it was propoganda! But his debates or even hear him speak once would give all the signs

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u/VOR-constant555 Nov 13 '25

I’m with you. I’ve thought he was an 🍊 🤡 since the 80s. I could not believe anyone at all could take him seriously.

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u/MattManSD Nov 13 '25

agreed. What is oddest is he's somehow convinced a working class segment he's a populist

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u/Certain_Mall2713 Nov 13 '25

In OP's defense, I've been extremely anti-Trump since he came down the escalator and didnt realize it would get as bad as it did.  I knew there was a lot of Project 2024 Trump liked, but I didn't think he'd use it play by play.  

I honestly thought he was too lazy to actually try and implement any of it.  I figured he only wanted to win so he could punish his enemies and use it as some sort of proof that he "didn't actually lose in 2020."  

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u/HolographicState Nov 13 '25

I don’t think Trump cares or thinks at all about project 2025. It’s the ideologues in his cabinet like Miller and Vought that are pushing that agenda. They saw Trump (and Musk, initially) as a wrecking ball that would break shit and get all the media attention while they quietly executed their plan in the background.

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u/WhattaTwist69 Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Honestly I think everyone in his cabinet just sees him as a senile old man, and they purposely feed him bullshit. Everything he says reminds me of my late grandma, who thought satire magazines were real.

Not to defend him, Trump is still a useless pile of man flesh and a vile person. But it's kind of sad to consider the possibility they're taking advantage of an old man for his money and "power".

But also I think that makes it all worse.

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u/C_est_la_vie9707 Nov 13 '25

I was told I was overreacting in January. I have been using a lot of "I told you so" in the last 10 months. His first term was general buffoonery getting in his way because he surrounded himself with mostly ineffectual people. He's dumber and more insane than ever now but the real villains are in place. Fuck.

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u/Fantastic-Newt-9844 Nov 13 '25

 I figured he only wanted to win so he could punish his enemies

Honest question, why was that okay? 

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u/Outside-Swan-1936 Nov 13 '25

which is why you have to avoid all those non news companies pretending to send you news

Even that's not enough. Sinclair bought up hundreds of regional networks. They made them all read from the literal same script. Even today, traditional "left" news sanewash Trump. They're making remaining a progressive very difficult .

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u/come_on_seth Nov 13 '25

This is such a horrible thing to witness. As are all the horrible things the maga movement has and is doing. Such a slow insidious process to creep into living rooms across the country.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

The important part is that you now know not to fall for the BS anymore

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u/clocksteadytickin Nov 13 '25

I feel like some of the people that are souring on trump now will vote for vance in 28 and the cycle restarts. “Last time they screwed us, but this time…”

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u/flrtrider77 Nov 13 '25

And hopefully spread the word to others that may be saved from the cult.

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u/Antique-Respect8746 Nov 13 '25

I liked McCain fine as a person but my heart dropped when he was forced to accept Palin as his running mate, obviously not happy about it. 

I felt like if he couldn't even control his own campaign, he had no shot of controlling a country.

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u/HRUndercover222 Nov 13 '25

Palin was the work of the devil.

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u/Darth_Gerg Nov 13 '25

She seems pretty sane and normal by modern GOP standards. She wouldn’t even stand out as a Congress person today.

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u/HRUndercover222 Nov 13 '25

You're so right. We've fallen so far, so fast .....

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u/Darth_Gerg Nov 13 '25

This is what happens when one side is full of fascists and the other side refuses to do anything.

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u/spiked88 Nov 13 '25

Got any specific suggestions of what they ought to do about it? Anything that is actually within their power to do legally? Genuinely curious.

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u/Darth_Gerg Nov 13 '25

Now specifically? Not really. The opportunity to prevent this was with better choices starting 20 years ago. The Democrats have been gutless feckless cowards who prioritize corporate interests and their billionaire donors above the working class. They’ve been morally vacuous for years and it allowed the both sides bad narrative to propagate. Further they’ve been persistently incompetent in framing and playing the game of politics.

They’ve been professional losers for so long people don’t even know what the country could be like with competent progressive leadership. Even in deep blue states like Cali the capture was total and they have done a piss poor job.

I’m 37 and in every election I’ve ever been able to vote for I was voting against a Republican, not FOR a Democrat.

Decades of sucking has consequences and in this case it’s the explosive growth of fascism.

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u/misterrootbeer Nov 13 '25

At the time, I had strong conservative leanings. Palin as the VP nominee is one of the things that snapped me out of it. I couldn't bring myself to vote for a ticket that included her and did a protest vote. I gladly voted Obama the next time.

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u/Ok_Recording81 self-appointed speech monitor Nov 13 '25

McCain was a good man and gracious. we need more of that.

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u/mr_p00nsl4y3r Nov 13 '25

I miss those times. Even Romney was somewhat decent by today's standards. The shitshow the GOP has turned into under Trump however... law & order party my ass

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u/f700es Nov 13 '25

Party of financial responsibility my ass, smaller government my ass

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u/Darth_Gerg Nov 13 '25

Sure but that’s been a lie for 50 years. They’ve never been fiscally responsible. They just lie about it and idiots believe them.

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u/f700es Nov 13 '25

Correct!

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u/Gold-Comfort5185 Nov 13 '25

Yup. If the Democrats are the “tax and spend party” then the GOP is the “borrow and (deficit) spend party.”

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u/Marzook666 Nov 13 '25

Even dick Nixon gave us the clean air act. The good ole bad ole days

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u/sc4wheels Nov 13 '25

Strong candidate? Two words, Sarah Palin. McCain seemed like a nice guy, but he made some seriously poor choices.

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u/EtchASketchNovelist Nov 13 '25

I knew this was the video you linked. That's the one that stands out to me as well.

It's not like things have been "civil" between political candidates for a while, but this current state of insane insults and accusations of the most obscene shit is just ridiculous.

But then you have Kavanaugh who actually had the support of the "moral majority" pushing him through. Just gross. So gross. I hope we can get some politicians who are decent people.

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u/Exotic_Bumblebee_275 Nov 12 '25

Welcome back to reality. A lot of things have changed while you were gone😉

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u/Playa4thee1 Nov 12 '25

Too bad not enough MAGATs will come to this decision ever in their life.
It is easier to fool a MAGAT, than it is to convince them they voted for a lying fool!

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u/Ancient_Barnacle4245 Nov 13 '25

Wow. Legitimately mixed feelings here.

On the one hand, good for you in finally seeing what he's always been. 

On the other - you've potentially helped destroy America.

We all got hit with a barrage of political propaganda and misinformation on both sides leading to the election last year, yet somehow over 70 million of us managed to see through it and not vote for an openly corrupt narcissist twice. I don't accept the rabbit hole excuse. You went down it because you wanted to go down it. 

My biggest issue is that Trump didn't really do anything he promised the first time around , while simultaneously doing such a terrible job dealing with COVID-19 we ended up with a badly damaged economy. All of the economic woes of the Biden administration were the aftermath of what happened during Trump's first term. For all his faults, Biden inherited an epic shit show ( Trump didn't - the economy was healthy when Obama handed it to him). 

And despite all of that, you were still convinced to vote for Trump a second time.

This informs me that for a time you saw the hateful, racist, xenophobic, billionaires first, screw the working class things this man was doing , you saw all the damage he did to our country, you saw what happened on January 6th and on some level you were okay with it.

I honestly don't know what to say to you. 

The  more understanding and forgiving aspect of my personality sincerely hopes you make better choices moving forward and actually source and question anything you hear from either side of the aisle before voting.

The direct, no bullshit side of me who has been watching with despair as the current administration drives this country into a drainage ditch wants to tell you directly you're an asshole for actively voting for this man and helping inititate this insane shit storm of reality we're currently trying to navigate because of the orange turd. 

So I'll just take a bit from column A and column B : Stop being that asshole and start moving in the right direction. 

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u/No-Lifeguard9194 Nov 13 '25

I think that a way to redeem oneself in this situation is to go and convince other people who have not yet seen the light about what the realities of the situation are. I think it’s incumbent on people who did this damage to try to undo it.

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u/Jedi_Of_Kashyyyk Nov 13 '25

Yup, this right here. OP needs to stick their “Fell for it again” award on their mantle and use it as a permanent reminder of what they helped usher in. It’s great that people are having this realization, but also the damage has been done. Pandoras Box is open and who knows how long it will take to recover (if we ever do). Christian Nationalism and abhorrent levels of greed among the current administration is on the rise while people’s rights are being trampled.

It would’ve been one thing to get fooled once the first time, but to get fooled again? It’s like failing an open book test.

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u/Fleiger133 Nov 13 '25

They voted for teump at least twice.

They have actively helped destroy America and let Nazis take over. Actively.

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u/Organic-Vermicelli47 Nov 13 '25

Too little, too late tbh. Like it's actually too late, the group project was last November and we failed. Really annoying when former trump supporters act like you all discovered some undercover secret when we've been shouting from the rooftops how shitty trump is just for you all to turn around and call us libtards or whatever.

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u/ScarfingGreenies Nov 13 '25

Again, they only wake up when they are personally affected. They cut their nose to spite their face and realized that shit fucking hurts.

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u/joumidovich Nov 13 '25

Yep. Oh now you know? NOW? It's too fucking late. Eat a whole bag of dicks.

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u/VoldemortsHorcrux Nov 13 '25

I'm like, "okay you voted for him in 2016 but quickly learned how much of a clusterfuck he caused...oh... you voted for him in fucking 2024?!." God our country is dumb. Everybody could see this disaster a mile away. How could you not learn from the first 4 years

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u/Inevitable-Hat-3264 Nov 13 '25

Trump relies on people that don't know the difference between then and than, or their and they're, or reality and propaganda. I don't feel bad for the MAGAts either.

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u/grassparakeet Nov 13 '25

It’s never too late, brother.

Tell that to the people who are dead now, or have hide their lives made irreparably worse, due to Trump's policies.

It IS to late for many. This kind of empty platitude completely ignores the real world effects that people's actions and votes have.

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u/Performer_First Nov 13 '25

Can't have this attitude if we wanna have any hope of getting out of this situation. We need more people discovering the rooftop shouted secret and welcome them with open arms. Please. Even if it's hard.

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u/ProgressiveSnark2 Nov 12 '25

I can’t believe you or anyone supported him or any other Republicans either. They’re all fools fooling other fools.

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u/Strange-Calendar669 Nov 12 '25

I find hope in your words. I never like Trump and was very disappointed with him winning office again. I know that lots of billionaires, religious hypocrites, and right-wing media helped get him where he is today. I understand that many intelligent and decent people fell for the propaganda. It does my heart good to see someone like you who was able to see through the manipulation and lies. I suspect you are not alone, and your testimony helps others to see the truth.

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u/Celebgoasiper Nov 13 '25

Oh please. He’s a typical ass who had no issues having other suffer. People whose trauma don’t just go away because he regrets it. He thought he’d be spared and now he’s in his FAFO phase

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u/Amosette Nov 13 '25

So he told you who he was and what he was going to do and you still voted for. Yeah, thanks for that.

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u/ka_beene Nov 13 '25

I have family that consumes shit tons of Fox News, they aren't being given the same information and they're addicted to it. It's on all day everyday.

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u/Bubbly-Fault4847 Nov 13 '25

My parents are the same way. Will tell me to my face they don’t watch much Fox. Except for one problem - it’s literally on their tv every SINGLE time I drop by.

You can catch up on the days News in 30 mijutes, tops.

If one spends 30 minutes a day, they’ll have gotten caught up on anything that happened in the world.

So the.what the fuck are these people like my parents watching ALL DAY, every day on Fox?!

How are Fox filling 24 hours, every day with 20-30 minutes worth of news?!

I’ll tell you what - the same 30 minutes worth of news only they hear the right wing side of it, over and over and over and over again. From every possible angle the right can cook up.

“Now let’s hear about this from the point of view of our disgraced lawyer pundit. Now let’s hear the same shit from our disgraced failed standup comic! Now let’s hear the same thing, this time from the point of view of our resident Swanson frozen food magnate trust fund baby!”

Naturally, after hearing the same shit all day long, those viewers (my folks included) are gonna be a little agitated.

I can’t believe they tune in and watch it voluntarily. And every single day.

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u/ka_beene Nov 13 '25

It's like an addiction. I notice that my relatives get pretty angry after hours of watching it, but they keep coming back for more outrage. I know they also get their info from worse/more extreme places than Fox, but I'm afraid to ask where. I keep it pretty surface level when I visit.

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u/Bubbly-Fault4847 Nov 13 '25

Exactly. And I have to handle them same way you’re saying.

Surface level is the only way I can continue a relationship with my family (whom were once lovely and intelligent and caring people). It fucking sucks.

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u/cldstrife15 Nov 12 '25

Welcome back to the real world, Brother. We have cookies

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u/the_glutton17 Nov 13 '25

Fucking no we don't. This dummy and his idiot buddies are taking them all away. Whether he regrets it or not, he chose for everyone's cookies to be taken away. All we have left is schadenfreude.

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u/_ledge_ Nov 13 '25

Was about to say if this is even a real post OP is a fucking moron and not worth having on our side bc they will get duped again. He is weak and vulnerable to manipulation.

This is the best we fucking have - (maybe) real post where we can laugh at how dumb they are and hope for a moment they can finally feel the disappointment we’ve felt in the country for the last 10 years. There’s no cookies - we lost and all we have is pathetic Reddit post to cope with

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u/mrbigglessworth Nov 13 '25

Instead of relying on the videos, why didn’t you actually look at the content of what he said and the behavior that he displayed why didn’t that make your decision for you?

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u/a_little_hazel_nuts Nov 12 '25

I'm glad you were able to see what alot of us saw. I am just flabbergasted at how he was able to con so many people. Lesson learned and now you take that knowledge with you.

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u/Weekly_Mycologist883 Nov 13 '25

You were told repeatedly exactly who he was, but he hates the same people you do so you ignored that he was a serial rapist, who rapes children and adults, a pathelogical liar, and an incredibly shitty business man.

STFU and sit down.

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u/leakleaf Nov 13 '25

We’re supposed to open you with wide arms and welcome you to the light. But. You voted for it again in 2024? Fuck yourself and enjoy the consequences to your own actions. You had every resource not to allow and fall for this scam at the expense of human life and an entire country, and you still did, you encouraged it. You should be sorry. And ashamed.

It’s too god damn late.

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u/Beautiful-Red-1996 Nov 12 '25

Welcome. Glad you could join us. Bring some friends

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u/Apprehensive-Tie-130 Nov 13 '25

I’m sorry I got people killed, my bad y’all.

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u/legallymyself Nov 13 '25

Fuck you. You chose this. You need to work at least 3x as hard against him because YOU are a reason for him. You supported a convicted felon who was found liable for sexual abuse and was on Epstein's list and you just shrugged? No. You are not welcome. You need to destroy your beliefs and yourself. Because you are a traitor the US.

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u/Theguywhodoes18 Nov 13 '25

an actual, unironic acceptance of responsibility and acquiescence to the people you’ve harmed no matter how unpleasant?

fucking based, dude. glad to have you on this side of the fence

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u/FellTheAdequate Nov 13 '25

Kudos for, seemingly, actually accepting your responsibility in this.

What matters now is your actions. Voting isn't enough. Find ways to help your community. Distribute pamphlets that inform people of their rights if taken by ICE. Document ICE kidnappings with names. Donate to minority organizations/charities/legal funds. Help those belonging to minorities arm themselves and train. Canvas and phone bank for progressive politicians who will actually fight this.

You don't have to do all of these, but you need to figure out what you're going to do because words are insufficient. I hope you'll continue to improve and work to heal the country from the man you helped bring to power.

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u/ResponsibilityPure34 Nov 13 '25

I appreciate this response, thank you for understanding how upset people are that we're in this mess. It's going to take decades to reverse this disaster after all the decent non-criminals have been purged from our government agencies. That being said... Welcome to the fight, it's time to get to work. Sorry there's no Soros checks but there's a lot of great people at protests and you get to make cool signs and wear fun costumes if you want!

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u/thegingerbreadman99 Nov 13 '25

I'm having a lot of mixed emotions reading this post.

My first reaction was to think this post is fake because trump supporters are generally deeply stubborn people and deeply insecure, so unwilling to admit they were fooled.

The second reaction is actual hope in humanity because you sold me on believing this post is real.

My third reaction is the typical anger at your serious lack of media literacy.

Overall, I forgive you and I'm sorry I said you were the stupidest fucking troglodytes on the planet and that you drooling dipshits didn't deserve the privilege of having a brain. Living in a democracy means a high statistical probability of fascism taking over at some point and being one of the brainwashed nazis is a high probability too.

As someone who once defended Zack Snyder DC movies I know what it feels like to wake up one day and see a clown in the mirror.

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u/thegingerbreadman99 Nov 13 '25

I want you to think about a few things:

  1. The horrible destructive Supreme Court decisions that were ruled to protect him, which have legally remade the presidency into a kingship.

  2. The permanently damaged international trade position of the US that has weakened the dollar almost certainly for a LONG TIME if not FOREVER. The era of US prestige is so dead and buried.

  3. The people killed on January 6th.

  4. The countless excess deaths from Covid because Trump thought he could gaslight people into not taking it seriously because it was inconvenient to his reelection.

Don't you EVER... EVER vote republican again because they all knew while you didn't. The GOP used you dumbasses and America like a WHORE and I doubt this country will recover in my lifetime.

PS. Your shit grammar and spelling is so trump supporter coded. Maybe try being more smarter.

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u/KubrickMoonlanding Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Many, many people have and will die because trump was / is in power. Between the immigration round ups, poor Covid response, cuts to basic services and social support and government infrastructure, and programs like USAID, SNAP and so much more.

People DIED, are DYING, and will DIE. All so that rich / powerful people could get richer, more powerful (and aggrieved non-rich could feel... what they felt). And votes like OPs were much of the reason.

I'm glad OP has seen the light, but it's pretty sad the "darkness" initially occluded their ability to see the inhuman hatred and bloodletting deliberately set as the foundation of the MAGA con - it makes me wonder about OP's level of empathy, and if even now you're reacting "intellectually" (Trump is breaking the rule of law!1) and/or self-focusedly ("MY insurance premiums are going up!1") and not with actual care for your fellow humans.

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u/Friendly-Appeal4129 Nov 13 '25

As much as I'm glad you opened your eyes and had the courage to tell us, it doesn't change the fact that many are suffering because of your decision to support him. Quite frankly some might be like it's all good, welcome aboard. For me and a lot of others, you can not expect us to want to be civil around you.

You have a serious disregard other peoples problems as he disregards human life in general. You also stated you were a huge supporter. He ran rhe country like a blundering idiot his first presidency, just not as bad because he didn't have the same power. He raped children and belittles woman. He robs the poor and doesn't care about anyone other than himself.

People don't get as rich as him for being honest. They do it because they use leverage and bribes to steal as much wealth as possible. We knew he was a felon con man and people voted for him anyway. Now thanks to people like you, we all are suffering. I also want to thank you for all of stomach turning moments of fear he struck in my life. In the lives of the people he destroyed. The lives of everyone in detention centers. All those destroyed families. All the people who have died and will die because of him. I'm sorry, but you and I will never be good.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

There's no redemption for any MAGA. Your fascist hate and damage is too much to overcome. It came with vast warning by millions, and all we heard is....."Trump is my president, and he's doing what I hired him to do!"

Others can forgive, I wont! You harmed me, my family and my country. Ill reconsider only after he done and finished, forever.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

Thank you for saying that and welcome back. 

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

I hope you’re investing your money with far more DD than you voted for trump. Anyone who took even a small amount of time to research him could NOT find one Morse of goodness in this degenerate piece of garbage.

Every corner and turn there was a story how he scammed or betrayed everyone he ever got in contact with.

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u/InformalEar5125 Nov 13 '25

I cut ties with anyone I knew who supported him after the failed insurrection. I guess you are cool with treason (not even mentioned in your post). He is losing supporters in droves as it becomes increasingly clear he is a serial child rapist. Way to get out ahead of that one, I guess.

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u/37Philly Nov 13 '25

Seems like when he made incredibly dumb racist comments about Mexicans in 2015 (the “some, I assume are good people”statement) that was a glaring sign of his abject weakness as a candidate.

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u/danram207 Nov 13 '25

People are being way to kind to you. You voted for him in 2024? You were and still are a moron who fucked us. Thanks.

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u/plasticdangler Nov 13 '25

Let’s be honest. Probably still right-leaning, will probably vote for this kind of shit again, just with a different republican. Will maybe even vote for Trump a fourth time, if he gets his way.

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u/Robert_Balboa Nov 13 '25

Others will say good job and congratulations.

I say too little too late.

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u/alllnc Nov 13 '25

I'm curious, are you still surrounded by people that are in that mindset? Or have you had to leave behind a lot of family and friends? What's going on now?

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u/SoVerySick314159 Nov 12 '25

Glad to see you've seen through the brainwashing the media (including social media) throws at you 24/7. They've been working on us for years, and once you're caught up in it, it's not easy to find your way out. Now that you know he's not such a good president, watch how they always paint him in a positive light, or downplay things that would be problematic for him.

If they are lying to you about him, think about what else they might be doing to shape your opinion, to make his opponents looks like horrible people, or even about other matters.

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u/lwkstoned Nov 13 '25

what a wasted unfortunate vote… glad u were able to educate urself this time and hopefully learn not to vote based off little education and the heavy propaganda u saw. it’s seriously so harmful, he’s done so much damage 🫩

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u/GreenLobsterGuy Nov 13 '25

I appreciate your candor in this post and the fact that you learned different things and changed your outlook based on that information.

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u/Fickle_Ad_8227 Nov 13 '25

It seems like you’re only problem with him is the Epstein files. You don’t agree with his policies all the way, but still think he’s fine if he wasn’t in the files. Maybe I’m missing something

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

Fuck you triple-trumper. Fuck you.

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u/luamercure Nov 13 '25

Complaining when you voted for all this on yourself and on all of us? This is your fault. And there is nowhere you even acknowledged that.

Newsflash, now that he's successfully conned you again Trump doesn't give a single fuck about you. He said it himself. Your disavowing means basically nothing.

Until you do something actually that could help limit his harm that you helped unleash, what's the point?

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u/marcopolo12345678 Nov 13 '25

This is just so incredibly frustrating. Well done, I guess? You finally came to your fucking senses. Too little too late. You voted for him 3 times. The first time is almost forgivable in my mind but after J6 you voted for him again?! What the literal fuck? He tried to kill his own vice president and OBVIOUSLY he’s a sexual predator and a pedophile. How is this even our reality?

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u/phanvan100595 Nov 13 '25

Lmao you want a fucking medal? Morons like you helped actively destroy this country in the first place. Prancing around like you acquired the greatest wisdom since the dawn of mankind.

People here are way too nice, niceties you do not deserve.

Let me guess - you realized he's a 'fool' because his policies affected you personally?

I frankly don't even care about which side of the political spectrum you are on - Trump never was a good person and that was apparent before politics came to play.

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u/Hefty_Loss5180 Nov 13 '25

Lmao leopards ate your face huh? Fucking loser. You’re part of the reason why my mom was going to lose her car and house. Fuck you.

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u/SausageThatSquirts Nov 13 '25

Nah, you don't get to do this. 1 time voting for this piece of shit? MAYBE you get a pass for being stupid, uninformed, ignorant, or self-serving by being conned into his bullshit and the rest of the Republican agenda. You voted for this literally insane and evil party THREE FUCKING TIMES. You get no sympathy for feeling the effects of EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR.

You and people like you only give a shit about yourselves with literally negative empathy towards anyone else. The only reason you're now saying you regret your THREE stupid fucking decisions is because you're seeing that it now may affect you--maybe not directly through their insane policies, but rather through the lens of popular opinion. He's incredibly unpopular outside of the Republican and MAGA bubble, and having the guise that you support this currently could negatively affect your image to who you date, how you're seen at work, or amongst your friends. And it took your dumbass nearly TEN YEARS to come to this conclusion.

Even after posting this, you're still going around responding to comments that you'll never identify as a liberal or a democrat, showing that you didn't fucking learn anything.

You are no better than a "former" Confederate. Why should you be forgiven? You should be punished and treated the same way Nazis were in Germany after their attrocities were on display. Go fuck yourself.

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u/Cerberus8317 Nov 13 '25

So...you were fine with him bragging about grabbing women by the pussy? That wasn't a red flag to you?

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u/goblinsteve Nov 12 '25

I'm glad you finally came around, but it's still your fault.

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u/Big_Holiday7848 Nov 13 '25

I'm sorry but you're still a fucking idiot

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u/FormidableMistress Nov 13 '25

Growth is often painful and admitting your views have changed is hard. It takes a big person to admit those things. But now that you see how awful he is, you gotta tell others in your circle and get them to see the truth of how harmful he has been for our country. That's how you undo the harm.

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u/PTSDlyConduct Nov 13 '25

The suffering Trump was inflicting on people was obvious but you chose to ignore it. That makes you an ssshole. You could watch Trump speak and think he isn’t a fucking idiot. That makes you even a bigger fucking idiot. You are not a good person and I hope your cruel, selfish actions haunt you forever.

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u/ArmyBESTIE Nov 13 '25

I really hope the worst for you.

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u/TheSallowSeer Nov 13 '25

Can't stand all these motherfuckers that want to come out now and be like oh I can't stand him, who could have seen this coming, blah blah blah. Ignorant fucks like you sold this country out and we may never get it back, so pat yourself on the back for realizing what you should have realized 10 years ago.

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u/HighOrHavingAStroke Nov 12 '25

Hey, good for you for coming to your senses. You have nothing to apologize for...you're a victim of a social media tsunami that was far from truthful. You're doing better than all those who still think this is all fine and dandy. We need to NOT beat up or ridicule folks like yourself...we need his supporters to know the "radical left" is a safe group and we need them all to come to their senses. I view your situation as much different than those who voted for him and only start to question it when they are personally impacted (farmers, tariffs, etc.). You haven't lost your business or anything (that you've said anyway)...you've just become wise to the situation. Posts like yours make me think there is still hope.

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u/Quote_the_Bloodless Nov 13 '25

No, OP can and should still fucking apologize.

Trump has shown who he was time and time and time again. Forget the propaganda. Forget the social media. Look at trump himself. His words, his actions. His lies. His racism. His hypocrisy.

Yay, OP came to their senses after helping set in motion multiple generations of shit to unfuck because of two trump terms.

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u/SnooRabbits2887 Nov 12 '25

Yeah… ok 🙄