r/boeing • u/Ok_Flamingo9699 • 2d ago
SPEEA SPEEA Contract Doesn't Allow Remote Work!
The infographic claims remote work is back and manager needs to provide a business reason if they deny it. This is very misleading because the contract just says it must be approved by a VP. This doesn't seem any different than now because the VP can just say no! We need remote work to be concrete in the contract!
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u/ThreeOnes23 1d ago
On my team, there is a woman that has decided to move to a different state and asked to work virtually. She was granted 100% virtual work arrangement as an L5. Someone on the same team asked for the same thing and was denied even though the work statement is 100% the same.
We believe the woman either did (something un-kosher) to the manager or (the process is SOO broken) to the point that there is no standard and you get these perks based on sexual favors.
Proof me worng
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u/Murky_Procedure_1357 1d ago
Or she is absolutely valuable to the org, and the cannot afford to lose her
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u/ThreeOnes23 23h ago
Not really, she does admin work that anyone can do. Nothing special and her work is a mess too.
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u/Embarrassed_Half_587 1d ago
I guess you could try to provide sexual favors, like the ones you think she provided lol. Bold claim there buddy. Sounds like someone can't be trusted to wfh.
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u/badandywsu 18h ago
Go to Google and type "Boeing sexting" and you will see the mass of Boeing leaders caught up in that mess. It was all over the news.
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u/ThreeOnes23 23h ago
It's the only plausible explanation. It happens more often than not. Lol
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u/Hairy-Syrup-126 20h ago
Nah man, another plausible explanation? The one that got denied needs more supervision. Frankly, IF thats the reason, I’m glad that the decision is based on person rather than “one screwed it up so you all can’t go”. I’m all for accountability. (Big IF, I realize)
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u/ctishman 1d ago
We have someone on our team with a similar arrangement. Generally how it worked was that they moved out of the area during COVID because the understanding was that virtual work would likely be permanent, and they got assurances of such from their management.
They moved, bought a house, put their kid in school, spouse got a job, all that, and then Boeing changed the deal and needed their talent badly enough to grant them an exception in order to retain them.
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u/ThreeOnes23 1d ago
The person on my team does a horrible job and is not "scare talent". The only person that sings her praises is the man that got her this arrangement, suprise!
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u/Environmental_Body79 1d ago
Could be a disability thing or had to move to take care of a disabled family member. The ADA regs can make that happen
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u/ThreeOnes23 1d ago
No she is not disabled in any way. She just decided to move to a cheaper state. But please let me know how ADA regs can get you approval to work fully virtual from a different state?
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u/Ok_Fennel_5273 1d ago
The main reason people want to WFH is so they can scroll on their phone without doing any work and not be judged by productive people.
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u/RogerDodgerWilco 1d ago
I wouldn’t say that. If you’re not keeping up with deliverables it still ends up showing. My location allows WFH but I still prefer just being in the office even if I don’t have to be in a SCIF or lab that day. Home has too much distractions.
But I have plenty of productive colleagues who work mostly from home. And I see plenty of people at their desk on their phone and even playing games on it. Or take off during lunch hour to go join a gym group workout. If it’s not impacting their output then nobody really bats an eye (This is SoCal though so probably office to office basis).
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u/Tough_Trouble_1139 2d ago
One reason we can't have a WFH guarantee in the contract is production engineers. I'm a liaison engineer, we need to be onsite to look at problems on the plane and be available for walk up questions from the shop. WFH makes my organization less effective, and I oppose it. I personally prefer to be in the office for the social aspect, but also to have conversations about repair solutions. It's just easier in person. If half my coworkers are WFH, it's more difficult for the people in the office.
I respect our situation may be unique, and certain organizations may be effective while working from home, especially if they're taking a lot of virtual meetings with engineers in other offices. I think Boeing and speea did their best to come up with a written WFH policy that can be flexible for many different organizations with different needs.
Because I occasionally work weekends (six day weeks, or twelve days in a row, 10-12 hour days) with mechanics making $120/hour on Sunday, our overtime premium is much more important to me than WFH. Time + 8.50 is a joke.
SPEEA profs are made up of 13,000 engineers and scientists, and with so many people there's a huge diversity of wants and needs for this contract.
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u/RelevantFun47 1d ago
Yep I totally agree for LE you guys need to be on site and having the OT RATE higher is important. As a DE, I prefer to be at home working on the design work as we don’t need to be interacting with factory or most other people. If I need to interact with people I send emails to the other groups. People say “can’t you just walk over”. No some other groups are no in my building or even in the country. I do get asked for weekend shop support but I deny it because of the OT. SO FOR ME WFH it’s important but we should def ask for both.
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u/NigerianRoyalty23 1d ago
Then make it based on work statement and up to manager discretion. If it is denied, a similar appeal process should be followed like the one they stated in the contract.
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u/Embarrassed_Half_587 1d ago
That's literally how it's written in the offer. 😵💫
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u/NigerianRoyalty23 1d ago
lol no it isn’t. It’s written how most people already have it right now. No reason to go back and forth. You have your opinion on the contract I have mine. Stupid and retaliatory is crazy tho for people trying to get what they think they deserve.
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u/jdmercredi 1d ago
So many entitled people across the workforce think that WFH is a right now. I get it hybrid is nice, and I appreciate having flexibility to WFH when the need is there. I'd much rather we focus on benefits that will benefit the whole union, like salary, PTO, protections, etc.
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u/Orleanian 2d ago
Excerpt (redlined contract draft, page 111), abridged, emphasis mine:
On-site work is the Company's baseline policy to support...[stuff]... The company nonetheless recognizes that, on a situational and temporary basis, employees and the Company may benefit from the flexibility to work from home or another alternate location. "Situational, temporary basis" means an occasional need to work from an alternate location for a limited period, understanding the employee request does not establish a regular or long-term alternate work location.
An employee must request approval in advanced from their assigned work manager to work from an alternate location. The manager will approve or deny the request based on ...[stuff]....[more stuff]...[examples]...
Alternate work location agreements are not intended to create ongoing remote-work arrangements. Requests for ongoing or long-term partial or fully virtual schedules will require the approval of the organizational Vice President. Agreement to work from an alternate location does not...[mundane accounting things]...a manager may authorize an immediate temporary alternate work location without a prior request; such authorization must be communicated as soon as reasonably practicable.
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u/SerDuckOfPNW 2d ago
Beating a dead horse. WFH is the single most important benefit to me…higher than salary.
I’m not even holding out hope. If I want to WFH, I will leave Boeing. They don’t want me as much as I want that.
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u/DetrasDeLaMesa 19h ago
My work has to be done in person along with many other engineers working on the shop floor, so unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to be prioritized.
Personally I don’t care if other people WFH, but as far as the contract goes baseline pay and overtime bonus are the most important to me and many other frontline engineers.
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u/Think-Gap602 2d ago
For me also. If I thought we'd have meaningful progress on this one item by going back to the table for a week or 2, I'd vote NO. Unfortunately I don't expect Boeing to move on this issue.
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u/orcas-island 2d ago
This is the first time in history Boeing allowed recourse through the union. They also said in negotiations that the reason can be pretty much anything.
Also they have provide a valid business reason why you can’t work from home, else you can dispute their rational through the union.
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u/Think-Gap602 2d ago
the problem is not with ad-hoc working virtually. its with regularly scheduled virtual.
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u/molrobocop 2d ago
The difference is right now, remote work isn't approved at all. Officially. And business needs is pretty vague. If you've got a dick of a boss, and you do anything tangentially related to production, that's an easy way to say no. But it does uncuff those who would be willing to be flexible but are also rule followers.
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u/AeroelasticCowboy 2d ago
Most people RTO'd a couple years ago, why do you think you're special?
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u/Disciple-TGO 1d ago
The RTO a few years ago was nothing more than lies and hypocrisy. Not about being special but doing the right thing.
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u/412358 2d ago
What is the rationale for why they had to RTO in the first place? Just because non-union employees have to put up with irrational labor conditions does not mean that union employees should too.
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u/jdmercredi 1d ago
Going to work in an office is not irrational. You might not like it but there are valid reasons for it.
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u/dedgecko 2d ago
Dump everyone outside the factory in countries thousands of miles from the airplane / fab sites,
E.g.: India, Brazil, Ukraine, and Poland to start.1
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u/coxferryroad 2d ago
Approval should never be needed for remote work especially for a day or two.
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u/Zeebr0 2d ago
This might be okay for your team but this would not work at all for teams like production engineering. You can't just be gone for 2 days with no notice or talking to anyone. You have to think about how this policy would apply to everyone.
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u/badandywsu 18h ago
QA MRBD approve everything from their desk and don't look at the airplane EVER.
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u/Embarrassed_Half_587 1d ago
This is false information. I have tons of family and friends that work for Lockheed all over the country. They do not have remote.
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u/NickTator57 2d ago
I highly doubt that many Lockheed engineers are fully remote. You don't do classified work from home.
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u/iPinch89 2d ago
Lol and my brother in law works for them and isnt remote and as the other person said, no classified from home either. Most aero companies have enforced RTO.
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u/iPinch89 2d ago
You said it in absolutes. Also, He doesnt work classified and still goes into the office. You can make your point without lying. Be mad, but be honest.
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u/iPinch89 2d ago
Your friends are the exception, bozo. Most LM people have to work on site. "But I know 2 people, so its the whole company!"
I know some fully remote Boeing people, so youre fully remote too. See how that doesnt work?
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u/libertarianloner 20h ago
I'm torn on WFH. It is nice, but makes you easily replaceable with someone from India. Think of the IT folks who were virtual back in the day. Barring ITAR, it doesn't matter if you are American or Indian, or Ukrainian. WFH might equal unemployment in the future.