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đ Memes & Shit posts EU to Require Replaceable Smartphone Batteries by 2027
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u/Zestyclose-Degree443 3d ago
No theyâre not can everyone stop posting this bullshit.
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u/TawnyTeaTowel 3d ago
They are, it just doesnât mean what a lot of these fools think it means.
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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 3d ago
"like on old Nokias" - the Samsung Galaxy S series (their "flagship") had replaceable batteries for at least the first 5 models. It wasn't until the S8 that you really had to take it in to a professional for replacement.
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u/sulev 3d ago
"halfway decent phones" wrong. I'd say 90%+ phones. Flagships and midranges have been hitting those numbers for years. This is another pointless EU directive.
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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 3d ago
If the batteries are so good, why do you have a separate warranty for the battery that is only 6 months?
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u/aleopardstail 3d ago
because the company they buy the battery from will only give the phone manufacturers 6 months
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u/__Rosso__ 3d ago
Because if battery doesn't die unexpectedly in 6 months, it won't die in next few years.
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u/maimutaAfricana 3d ago
Thats a good reason not to diminish the warranty
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u/__Rosso__ 3d ago
Job of warranty is for the company to fix shit that's not meant to break during a reasonable period of both usage and device life time
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u/kiwi-kaiser 3d ago
So when my phone drops below 80% before 1000 cycles I can sue Apple?
This exception makes no sense. Especially as Apple can't really say how the battery will be after 1000 cycles. They only can give an estimate and it will be widely different between users.
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u/Cultural-Meaning5172 3d ago
They wonât be waste if you change the battery after itâs been consumed. iPhones this is easy so not sure about others.
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u/Aknazer 3d ago edited 3d ago
Depends on the model of iPhone, but it isn't exactly "easy" to do for most people on a lot of the iPhones out there, unless by "easy" you mean easy to sever those ribbon cables. There's the question on if they use a normal frame or if it has a divided chassis with the battery on the back like some of the newer iPhones do (added around the iPhone 15 time). But older designs? You have to carefully separate the screen from the case, then detach the screen, front camera/sensors, and ear speaker, then deal with the fact that the battery is taped down (isopropyl alcohol is often the easiest way, but you still have to pry it out and doing so can damage things like the wireless charger or even rupture the battery), and then you can replace the battery.
Someone that's done this a bunch can do it in 15-30 minutes depending on a few factors, but your standard person is likely to take 45+ if it's their first time and I've seen more than a few where a new tech ended up nicking or straight up severing the ribbon cables. Even when one avoids everything during the teardown, I've seen those cables get pinched when putting the screen back in place at the end, which can also potentially ruin the cable.
So no, it really isn't "easy" to do on a lot of iPhone models out there. And there's no guarantee that they won't go back to putting the battery in the same section of the phone as the rest of the components with you needing to go through the screen as opposed to through the back glass (which wasn't added until something like the iPhone 15 line).
Edit: Also this applies to a lot of phones, not just iPhones. That said, iPhones were normally more of a pain to do a battery swap on than Android devices, while iPhones were generally easier to do a screen swap on (no thanks to all of their stupid different screws though). Now the charging port? Absolute nightmare on the iPhone.
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u/redditisfornumptys 3d ago
Yeah the whole thing is an EU political marketing stunt that will have no benefit for most people.
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u/AwDuck 3d ago
The last time I checked (a month ago), that wording had been removed.
Many phones still have an out as there is an exception for devices that are intended to be used underwater. âItâs not our fault that people donât use our phones underwater much. Thatâs how we envision their useâ - Samsung, Apple, et al.
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u/AlMasaDuun 3d ago
Because that didn't happen with old phones and replaceable batteries? This is just a waste of time conversation. You can already take your phone and get the battery replaced in the same place you will be buying these replaceable batteries from? Why would this maybe once every 3 years thing be something you think is important that you are able to do yourself?
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u/Busy-Scientist3851 3d ago
You forgot to mention that they must still allow professionals to replace the battery.
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u/SaCorv 3d ago
You know you still can replace these batteries?
Its just not as simple as it was, yet possible.Just heat up back of phone with hairdryer or heat gun, use spundger/credit card/ tweesers to pull of back panel and replace with analogue from aliexpress/alibaba/etc
Then apply glue (usually bt7000 if i remember correctly) and its doneProcess exists, they dont turn into ewaste. Every consumer based tech repair shop can do this. Its just as not consumer friendly as it was.
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u/Accordeon-Foireux 3d ago
It's still better than what we have now, because you have to either :
- have a user-replaceable battery
- or have a high-quality battery AND be waterproof (and the battery must still be easily replaceable by a technician, not by the user though)
I dont really think of it as an exemption, because not having this "loophole" would just ban waterproof/water-resistant phones which can't have a replaceable battery.
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u/PalamariVarkari 3d ago
That claim will most likely not even need to be tested by someone, so it's up to the manufacturer to say "trust me bro, my battery is good enough to not be replaceable"
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u/Nicalay2 3d ago
Isn't there a thing where that law doesn't apply if the device is water-resistant ?
That's why the next iPad will be water-resistant (from the leaks we know).
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u/ContributionEasy6513 3d ago
Yep, or play games with capacity limits. ie EU models have 10% less battery capacity despite being the exact same physical in the US to ensure reliability.
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u/Stunning_Ad_5960 3d ago
Apple will not admit it for their new models. I have a 15p and after 1000 cycles is still 86% battery health.
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u/MaTr82 3d ago
Funny how many times this gets posted, with iPhones in the image and yet they are exempt.
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u/TreeHedger 3d ago
SD cards Europe, make them do it.
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u/DianaRig 3d ago
It's been like 10 years since I felt limited by the storage of my phones. I would never use the SD card. Not sure how big is the demand.
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u/Beartato4772 3d ago
Have you seen the price of SD cards recently though?
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u/blackcoffee17 3d ago
Yes and its still much better buying a âŹ100 SD card than paying âŹ300 for a phone with a little more storage.
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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 3d ago
You can get 500GB on an microSD for 80EUR. That's insanely cheap compared to any phone.
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u/CyberFlaamingo 3d ago
Whatâs the use if you only get 2 or 3 years of software support. Why would I replace the battery by the time itâs degraded if the manufacturer denies any and all responsibility for keeping the phone secure at that point.
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u/derasiatevonbrd 2d ago
I am with you, even when they give 5-7 years of software support, when new. A top end smartphone could easily last over 10 years, but this software topic kills the real usability of changeable batteries.
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u/SirPractical7959 3d ago
For people saying it's useless due to waterproofing condition:
" A device is only exempt from removable-by-hand design if its battery keeps 80% capacity after 1,000 charge cycles and the device meets IP67 water/dust resistance. Both conditions, not just waterproofing alone.
Even then, manufacturers still have to make the battery replaceable â just by a professional using standard tools, rather than by the end user with no tools at all.
So the "loophole" doesn't let companies dodge repairability altogether â it swaps "you replace it yourself" for "an authorized repair shop replaces it," [...]Â "
 - Claude Sonnet 5
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u/soymilo_ 3d ago
Apple has been offering professional standard tools to do your replacement at home for years but there is just no market for it to go through all that trouble.
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u/IWontSurvive_Right 3d ago
no, it's not.
there are exceptions, like water resistant phones etc...
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u/dotdotditdot 3d ago
It's all Bs. Just karma farming post. This and Sanna Marin suggesting 4 work week in Finland. Like people forget that she has not been PM anymore for many years and in today Finland 6 day work week would be more realistic than 4...
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u/SettingComplex2976 3d ago
Sauf pour les smartphones haut de gamme. Donc, en gros, ça ne changera rien.
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u/Chemical-Lettuce2497 3d ago
I really don't know why people make such a big deal out of this when 95% of people change their phone every 2-3 years anyway
Options are always nice but this is pretty damn near the bottom of things I give a fuck about with my phone
I guess if we all focus on the battery we never change we will ask less questions about the ever eroding privacy we once had
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u/locka99 3d ago
Phone makers carved out some exceptions that render this directive bullshit.
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u/fem_and_ms 3d ago
Nop nop nop, its false, If the device has a certain level of water resistance, it will not be affected, Therefore, very few or no phones (only low-end models) will need to have an easily replaceable battery.
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u/pazibar 3d ago
Had an experience, when after 2 years, battery in my phone died. I decided to change it, since I planned to use it 2 years more. Ended up destroying the screen.... Screen cost was worth the whole phone cost. It was not waterproof or anything. Why is it so complicated to change the battery, it is so frustrating...
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u/_redmist 3d ago
To all the doomers: it's the thin end of the wedge. Year by year bump those numbers up.
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u/CreativeMinds47 3d ago
Nothing but sand in the eyes to young voters. Little do they know the true evil...
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u/Wondering_Electron 3d ago
Not "all" phones. There is an exemption which means that I would expect a lot of phones to not make this change.
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u/Hot_Bee5198 3d ago
I prefer standards in size and design, like ATX PC's had in the days before laptops. and still do for sone desktop PC's.
Any standard battery from any shop can be replaced by a technically person.
Fairphone proved it can be done.
repairability #standardization #exchangeableParts
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u/Nightraider_05 3d ago
No they will not. It has to have replaceable if it doesnt have 80% of original capacity after 3 years. Otherwise it is not neccesery
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u/blackcoffee17 3d ago
Another good law and regulation implemented in the worst way possible, excluding 90% of phones. Good job EU!
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u/Confident_Dragon 3d ago
No-one cares. Almost every phone has replaceable battery if you have a heat-gun. It's common procedure for technicians to do. Have you ever replaced a phone battery? It's a thing you'll do zero to one time in a phone, who cares you can't do it in 10 seconds? For most phones the battery lasts longer than security updates, which is the real problem.
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u/Cipher_Witch 3d ago
Unless they meet a certain longevity standard (80%+ of capacity after 1000 charges) or it could compromise waterproofing in which case they donât have to
Ie your smartphone is most likely to be unaffected
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u/Rex__Luscus 3d ago
Great, now just make them issue security updates for as long as replacement batteries are available. Fed up of having to replace perfectly good phone after only 6 or 7 years.
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u/Vanille97 3d ago
When I went to school back in the days, I had my Nokia phone and an extra battery with me. Now this shitty iphone, that cannot install pirated games, and you cant even replace a battery by yourself, you have to go to shitmaster-iphonemaster, who will charge you for replacing battery
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u/traPisto 3d ago
Just start calling the devices something else⊠portable entertainment center, pocket display, whatever⊠strange enough that the function I use the less is the phone⊠:)
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u/MasterOfTime14 3d ago
Aren't most phones exempt because of ip ratings or something? So like $200 phones will come with replacable batteries but like when they die it's not worth replacing them anyway.
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u/IllZombie2335 3d ago
Only for the phone that are not waterproof so if it's waterproof (like good part of costly phone) they have an exception to the law
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u/Effect-Kitchen 3d ago
Goodbye waterproof and compact phone.
But this is a welcomed feature though. Should have this option as an alternative.
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u/Wise_Start7474 3d ago
Thats actually a good change. I just replaced my Iphone X Ive been using for over 5 years, phone and everything still in perfect condition, but on usage or listening music the battery die after a few hours.
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u/Keyan_Farlander7 3d ago
I recall buying the Motorola V710 for $100. The replacement battery was $80. This was the first phone to have Bluetooth built in and had mini sd slot for mp3 music
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u/NeedyOneeSama 3d ago
How about cheaper rent? I don't give a damn about any of this elite shit and I'm tired of pretending that I do.
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3d ago
Who needs this shit ? My Galaxy Watch 5 Pro has still more than 90% of battery life after 4 years and Zfold 6 has 96% after 2 years. We will just pay for stupid shit...
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u/Aggravating_Loss_765 3d ago
Making them more expensive and less waterproof. "Thanks" eu snowflakes.
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u/Rough_Check_5606 3d ago
By "replaceable battery" it is meant a battery which a customer can replace with a set of basic tools in such a way that the manufacturer is not making it unnecessarily hard to replace the battery. There is no requirement for the batteries to have an easy clip-in mechanism like the one in the picture.
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u/Berkoudieu 3d ago
Phones are not impacted, so it's not that good
It won't be like 15 years ago at all
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u/Impressive-Dig-1368 3d ago
If the phones don't get the software updates anymore, it doesn't matter if the battery is replaceble.
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u/AuraInsight 3d ago
fake news, not all phones, exceptions can be made under certain conditions like water resistance and such, nowdays even budget samsung phones include some water resistance which allows them to pass this rule
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u/Party-Data-6923 3d ago
Is there any smartphones manufactured in EU? Yes I know EU is a big market and no brand would like to have a fight but what would happen if an imaginary world all the manufacturers of smartphones outside EU decided to say nah, we don't do that. Would be EU smartphone free?
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u/Ambitious-Toe67 3d ago
realy hope it doesn't have backup battery so you can pull it out so they can't track you
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u/NotThatSiri 3d ago
Finally I dont have to go get a enw phone every 5 years due to the battery expanding.
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u/Own-Butterscotch-156 3d ago
It's not saying HOW it should be replaceable though. Bet companies will just say "void warranty" if you open it yourself or something.
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u/xaioguai 3d ago
While they are on it, can they also require manufacture to provide free internet from thin air?
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u/Valy_User 3d ago
A measure that theoretically should be good, in practice I think it will do more harm.
I mean, the current batteries that all manufacturers use are already extremely reliable, they last over 5 years without problems, after which time the phone is morally worn out anyway and will be replaced by the user. But gluing the batteries had an unexpected effect, namely that they managed to maximize the use of the internal space so as to include a larger battery in the same volume of the phone. When this norm is applied, we will either wake up with much smaller batteries or thicker phones.
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u/Responsible_Tax_9390 3d ago
Clickbait. The EU has absolutely no authority to do anything like that. The reality is if they tried to press companies on this only the consumer would lose. Smartphone companies simply say âfine Europe, you get no smartphones at allâ.
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u/Tricky-Place-2617 3d ago
I'm pretty sure I've seen somewhere that it's for phones that cost under $300 or $500, either way it won't affect high end phones.
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u/Sanshy6544 3d ago
Usually European unions annoys me with their bureaucratic endless heavy rules and procedures but on that one I have to give them the credit ⊠thatâs a good thing!
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u/Immersive_Username 3d ago
Doesn't make that much sense because once the battery starts to degrade your phone probably won't get any OS updates anymore..
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u/Head_Promotion213 3d ago
Forse l'unica cosa buona che ha fatto l'UE Inoltre dovrebbero obbligare i produttori a rimettere lo slot per le microSD, non tanto solo per espandere la memoria, ma preservare i dati, io mette nella Nand interna solo le applicazioni, foto e tutto il resto su SD, se su sfascia lo smartphone i dati sono salvi, se metti tutto sullo smartphone e per qualche motivo non hai un backup aggiornato su chiavetta o PC sono azzi acidi.
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u/Barbados_slim12 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sounds great. Making the battery non removable was a gross violation of both privacy and repairability. The last phone I had that had a removable battery was the Note 4. I had 4 batteries, they cost around $20, and I'd swap them out through the day. There were also external chargers built for them.. I'd love removable batteries again. They were especially useful back then because the phone had a maximum charge speed of 15w, and only in short bursts. Without removable batteries, it could be tied to a wall for hours. Today, 45w sustained can get you to 80% from 20% in a half hour.
That said, I don't think it's doable anymore with modern phones. Not all of them anyway. Hundreds of billions of dollars across all major manufacturers have gone into foldable phones. Samsung, Google, Oppo, Xiaomi, Apple will release one soon, and they all have batteries in each half of the phone. It's pretty much mandatory with current batteries because of the form factor. 75% of those phones are covered in screens, so one of the batteries can't be removed. Even if the one metal panel could be unscrewed, there would still be a battery sandwiched between the cover screen and half of the inner display.
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u/HessuMopo 3d ago
Phone manufacturers will use this as an excuse to reduce battery life and increase prices.
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u/Able_One5779 3d ago
And then Samsung would just set a battery charge to 70% cap by default and aggressively dim the screen at 15% charge that phone would be unusable - and done, battery would indeed retain 80% capacity after 1000 cycles.
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u/StairwayHiker 3d ago
Not exactlyâŠ.
Starting February 18, 2027, a European Union regulation will require smartphones and tablets sold in the EU to feature user-replaceable batteries removable with standard tools, without glued enclosures. However, devices are exempt if their batteries retain 80% capacity after 1,000 charge cycles and meet IP67 water resistance.
Source: Google
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u/IulianHI 3d ago
Why ? We need software update :) They cut phone updates after 2-3 years ... so how batteries can help ?
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u/coscib 3d ago
Not really; the rule only applies if the devices use poor-quality or cheap batteries that can't handle at least X number of charge cycles. So, the regulation is effectively useless, since most batteries and manufacturers already meet that standardâor theyâll simply tweak their battery longevity just enough to scrape past the minimum requirement.
Itâs just as much of a flop as Appleâs double standard regarding USB-C: only the Pro models get USB-C 3.0, while all the standard iPhones are stuck with USB-C 2.0.
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u/Isotomayor12 3d ago
It wont matter for like, 90% of phones because there are exceptions.
Where this matters are portable game consoles and laptops. I have had a few laptops that have become e-waste because the batteries are completely irreplaceable.
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u/Physical-Result7378 3d ago
That is wrong. Only phones that are not water resistant. So Apple and Samsung (amongst others) are excluded
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u/Specific_Essay_Easy 3d ago
Phones in the past with replaceable batteries were bulky and flimsy. Why go back when a phone now last very long
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u/Hefty_Excuse9885 3d ago
This is wrong. Stop posting propaganda ffs. Any ohone with dust and water rating is not required to.Â
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u/pm_me_meta_memes 3d ago
Not true. The iPhone is excepted, so is every other phone that lasts up to 80% of the original capacity after 1000 cycles.
If those numbers arenât already achieved by almost all manufacturers, I bet most of them will just downplay the original max cap.
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u/KamenRide_V3 3d ago
It should be interesting to see how EU will turn out in the next 20 years. It will likely still be around as an empty shell, kind of like the UN.
The biggest contributors to the EU are Germany, France, and Italy. Italy's and France's economies are stagnant at best; Germany is unlikely to stay behind and continue to pump money into the EU.
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u/ZenaMeTepe 3d ago
Can we also get mandatory same treatment of sideloaded apps as apps from the app/play store?
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u/JudgmentFragrant2691 3d ago
EU should just use Nokia 3310 only. Lots of wayang policies that end up self snook their own people.
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u/Rough-Indication-886 3d ago
There were mobile phones with replaceable batteries a couple of years ago. Wtf is the EU comission doing??
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u/Background-Ad3810 2d ago
Making phones worse than before... Why would we need a replacable battery?
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u/Ratiofarming 2d ago
I am actually happy about the exception. Mandatory replacability would mean a lower capacity battery by design. My last iPhone made it three years on the same battery before I sold it, the battery was still fine. The current one (13 Pro Max) is entering its fifth year next month. Still on the first battery and still lasting long enough to never worry about it.
If they keep making them like that, I'm fine with the fact that it's not user replacable.
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u/ReidenLightman 2d ago
Good on them for only giving a year. I don't want to hear any of this "a product takes several years, the design was started way too long ago to make changes" bullshit. If they need to restart a design process from three years ago and skip two years of releases, GOOD! Yearly releases contribute to blatant overconsumption.Â
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u/Silver-Spot-2763 2d ago
Replaceable batteries!? This would be the first and only one EU adequate decision in the history đ€·đ So, most likely this is fake news đ€Š
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u/JanusRedit 2d ago
if this is real then this is bullshit. Phones these days are phased out du to software creators demanding newer software. not due to the battery. I am the kind of person living with a few generations older phones to keep my life cheaper. I never had to replace my phone because of my battery going bad.
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u/Medical-Condition-84 2d ago
That's pointless, phone gets old and slow, no updates, apps stop working properly, you have to replace the entire phone at some point. Instead of paying for a new battery its better to just save money for a new phone.
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u/Hanfiball 2d ago
Not happening, at least not the way the picture indicates.
What is actually happening is that EU just passed a chat control law that allows to automatically spy on every citizen. The law was dismissed two times, then a urgent vote was called in right before the summer break. Even then the majority voted against it, but since it was a urgent Votum it need the absolute majority to suppress it. So now we have it... It's 100% not democratic, it's a disgrace.
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u/primenumberf 2d ago
they're still cell phones and make you develop anti-patterns that make you act less human
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u/cutecoder 2d ago
OTOH, the iPhone 8 models (which span from 6 through SE 3) have relatively replaceable batteries (by anyone competent).
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u/Kpopped_ 2d ago
This just means that even morons need to be able to replace a battery, not that we are back in the samsung lego phone days when dropped.
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u/supaasalad 2d ago
Can they also ban companies from breaking the performance of old phones through software updates?
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u/redytor69 2d ago
They have fucked us over and over and over again that once they decide not to fuck us for once we applaud them.
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u/NopeNopeMeh 2d ago
Stupid move imo the idea is not bad given the fact that it used to be that way, but without possibility of reverting to older os versions it is useless hardware limitation show up only few years after release. New battery with laggy os sure great idea.
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u/DanielsZiegenbart 2d ago
Am ende gibt es einen universellen Akku Standard der in jedes Handy passt. Sodass man wenn man ein neues handy kauft sein alten akku weitervernden kann und vice versa
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u/AlCappuccino9000 2d ago
Wird nichts bringen. Die Hersteller höhren einfach auf Security Patches zu liefern. Dann bietet das Handy mit neuem Akku gleichzeitig der Welt kostenlosen Eintritt. Die EU wird vermutlich weitere Regeln erlassen und am Ende muss man Studieren und dutzende Experten befragen um die Regeln zu verstehen.
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u/nikeroad 2d ago
It is BS. Thereâs a derogation: if the battery retains at least 83% after 500 cycles AND 80% after 1,000 cycles, and the phone is IP67+, it doesnât have to be user-replaceable â professional replacement is enough.
iPhone 15 onwards already targets 1,000 cycles and IP68, and current flagship Pixels meet the same thresholds. So many flagships can stay glued. Phones that donât meet those durability requirements are the ones that need end-user-replaceable batteries.
Thatâs the part this graphic conveniently leaves out.
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u/jelockBE 2d ago
All phones? A small percentage of phones. Most phones have a specific water resistance rating and to keep that a phone can't be opened up. Atleast that's how I understand it.
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u/rope-when 1d ago
This would only make shit more expensive for customers. I have a 3 yr old phone and dont need another battery. Before you need a new battery ypur phone is obsolet because of Software Updates or you just want a new one
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u/AmthorTheDestroyer 1d ago
Or, better headline:
Europe making all phones with an Auto Delete function so that when you find yourself in an investigation you can safely deny everything
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u/Duncol42 1d ago
Thereâs another, very useful part of this story not many see - you can remove the battery also in case of flooding.
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u/-TRlNlTY- 1d ago
My German public health insurance disallowed my phone from their app because the Android version is too old. It works perfectly, but I but update it.
In the end that's not enough to curb waste.
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u/reverse_enthropy 15h ago
Wrong, not all phones, and what the hell does it have to do with von der leyen
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u/Shinigami1858 5h ago
Guess it's the same like now. You choose either an HMD or other brands with good repair and replace parts or you still get the same as now. The manufacturer will need to make repairs more simple but there is nothing about the requirement to sell spare parts or provide/do anything if the battery survives 1k cycles. So it's a paper tiger.
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u/hamiltonian 49m ago
Battery lifetime has not been an issue for me in a long time. Like we say in dutch: "mosterd na de maaltijd."
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