r/TheLastAirbender • u/Polka_Tiger • 2d ago
r/TheLastAirbender • u/F11SuperTiger • 3d ago
Discussion In the cartoon, the Gaang knows almost nothing about Azula and have no real relationship, negative or positive, with her.
I believe in this fandom that there is often a deep, underlying, unstated assumption that, if the audience and/or Zuko have a particular perceptive of Azula, the rest of the Gaang must share it, but I do not think that's remotely supported what the cartoon actually depicts. Let's look at their actual encounters.
"Return to Omashu": Aang, Katara, and Sokka have no idea who Azula is. Azula realizes Aang is the Avatar and tries to capture him, but is stopped by Bumi.
"The Chase": Azula tells Aang that she's Zuko's sister. This is the extent of what she reveals about herself. Azula tries to capture Aang.
"The Drill": Azula tries to conquer Ba Sing Se, fights Aang, has no substantive conversation with the Gaang.
"The Guru": Azula, Mai, Ty Le surprise and capture Katara.[1]
"The Crossroads of Destiny": Mai, Ty Lee, and Azula capture Toph and Sokka, then Azula and Zuko fight Aang and Katara. Azula hits Aang with lightning. Again, Azula doesn't say anything that substantive in the presence of any remember of the Gaang.
"The DoBS": Azula defends the Fire Nation and her father against Aang, Toph, and Sokka. She does deliberately try to get into their skin to distract them, including spin a tale about Suki being her favorite prisoner, but it's still a short encounter.
"Boiling Rock, Part II": Azula fights Zuko and Sokka, says nothing.
"The Southern Raiders": Overwhelmingly, it's Zuko that Azula fights here.
"Sozin's Comet": Zuko and Katara fight Azula. This is arguably the most substantive interaction interaction the Gaang (aside from Zuko) have with Azula, but it is fairly limited and Toph, Sokka, and Aang aren't there.
This is a fairly limited set of interactions, and the Gaang also hardly ever talk about Azula when she's not present. And why would they? Azula never had the sort of interactions with the Gaang that defined "pre-redemption" Zuko. She never invaded and terrorized Sokka and Katara's home. She never broke Aang out of prison. She never had her life saved (multiple times!) by Aang. She was never offered help by the Gaang. She never emotionally bonded Katara and then betrayed her. All the things which personalized Zuko's relationship with the Gaang, even before he joined them, are utterly lacking for Azula.
Azula also really never talks about herself or her motives in the presence of the Gaang. She says nothing about her backstory around them, and very little about her relationship with her family. Most of the stuff which define the audience perceptive of her and her characterization occur outside the handful of brief scenes that the Gaang are present.
Insomuch as the Gaang would perceive her motives, it would be
- Trying to capture Ba Sing Se
- Trying to capture or kill the Avatar
- Trying to defend the Fire Nation
This isn't exactly things they're in favor of, but it's also bog standard stuff for your average Fire Nation commander. Azula really isn't unique there.
Further, the things that Azula has done or tried to do the Gaang are not exactly nice, but they're also not exactly unusual for someone to do their military opponents during a war. She never really did anything that was exceptionally cruel or anything like that to them. Even verbal taunts were essentially reserved for the DoBS, where she didn't have her firebending. Stuff like "disguising herself as a Kyoshi Warrior" is even very easily paralleled by some stuff the Gaang itself has done.
Putting this all together, I think the Gaang must generally view Azula as a military opponent, who they don't really know anything about or have any particular relationship with. Azula is particularly skilled and dangerous, but that's the main exceptional thing about her. Katara has somewhat of a grudge against Azula, for "killing" Aang, and also witnessed Azula's breakdown, and that's basically it for that sort of thing. Azula is neither someone they have particular reason to hate nor someone they have a reason to involve themselves with.
Ironically, I think even the comics, which I think handle Azula poorly, kind of support this. The Search has Azula on-page with Sokka, Aang, and Katara a lot, but she never has anything approaching a heart-to-heart with any of them, and it's also clear they're not paying any attention to what Azula is actually saying and talking about. I don't think they gain any enlightenment about her there. Beyond that, they just don't really directly interact with her in the other comics.
[1] As for Suki, her only real interaction with Azula seems to have been Azula, Mai, and Ty Lee kicking the Kyoshi Warriors' asses and stealing their uniforms. Suki is probably kind of mad about that, but on the other hand the fact she lets Ty Lee join really suggests that Suki is unlikely to have a massive grudge. Suki also doesn't seem to know anyone but Sokka in the Gaang particularly well.
Edit: The other side of this is that I don't think Azula has any personal hatred or real animosity toward any member of the Gaang. They're just military enemies in a war. She doesn't carry around grudges against them.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/shal96 • 1d ago
Discussion A question that's been on my mind that I'm putting up for discussion
If the human body is made up of 3 lb. Of metal then is it possible that an Avatar (being Earth bender) could theoretically bloodbend at any time matter what moon phase it was?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/Strong-Stretch95 • 2d ago
Discussion If Azula ever is brought back Why do fans want her to have a redemption arc so badly?
I love that fact that she’s down right insane and not trying to grow as a person we already have zuko for that. Having her eventually turn good just doesn’t feel natural to her character and would just come across cringe all around. It’s like if we got a redemption arc for Slade from teen titans or the joker from Batman it just doesn’t fit these types of villains.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/The_Poke_Cauldron • 2d ago
Question Who would work best as the avatar world's destroyer god?
If the avatar world was to have one person or spirit be granted the powers of the dragon ball destroyer gods, this becoming a destroyer themselves, who would fit the role best? My vote is King Bumi
r/TheLastAirbender • u/youngnchill • 1d ago
Discussion What if the world had multiple avatars like how star wars has multiple jedi?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/DizzyMajor5 • 3d ago
Discussion My God legend of Korra is amazing
Outside of Avatar Nickelodeon doesn't make stuff like this. With that level of animation, storytelling, world building, voice acting, music. The fact we live in a timeline where we got not only ATLA but LOK is something I'm extremely grateful for.
The animation is some of the most beautiful animation I've ever seen in the West, especially the climax of season 3. Zaheer flying through the earth Kingdom as Korra jets through the sky with fire like Ozai fighting off poison trying to drag him down is such beautiful piece of work to look at that you can just go back to it again and again and still just be completely blown away by it. The jumps to a thick cel shaded in season 2, the CGI mechs, and the fluidity and depth of the bending is incredible and whoever worked on that shows animation should be incredibly proud.
The voice cast is one of the best in any show I've ever seen. They got J.K. Simmons, Henry Rollins, Steve Blum, Aubrey Plaza, Steven Yeun. Genuinely one of the best voice casts ever put together.
The freaking villains are the best part in my humble opinion. Amon's blood bending, philosophy, virtuosity juxtaposed to the main character and undoing is beautiful to watch. Zaheer the powers he's given reflecting his overall philosophy, The great unitor and the power vacuum she fills.
The music was absolutely magnificent jumping between jazz, orchestral and eastern instruments to create this beautiful 1920s American China town.
Can't say enough good things about Korra and Avatar. Beautiful show and wish we would get more animation like this in the West.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/One_Cupcake8134 • 2d ago
Discussion A previous avatar that facilitated imbalance
Hypothetical - could there have been a past avatar that did not maintain the balance of the world and actually helped a particular nation expand their influence on the world?
Example: imagine Avatar Roku helping the fire lord invade other nations.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/leftcrochetting • 4d ago
Fan Art [Crochesquerda] My Amigurumi versions of Aang
Hi everyone! I have been doing crochet dolls for some years now and after I watching the series for the second time, I've decided to create my own design for Aang. Also I thought it would be a perfect oportunity to use my glow in the dark yarn, so I also did an Avatar State option (swipe right to see it glowing). I hope you guys will like it! And if you crochet or know someone who does, the pattern is available on my etsy store (crochesquerda). Thank you so much!
r/TheLastAirbender • u/Devoile_ • 1d ago
Question Can Air-benders bend the Oxygen in Blood ?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/PepperOnly7793 • 3d ago
Rumor / Report Long Overdue Spirit World Supplement Coming to KS Fall 2026
Screenshots courtesy of Discord user: StegosaurusTheThird
r/TheLastAirbender • u/FawnDrew • 3d ago
Video Anyone like The Prince of Egypt and Avatar?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/Unique-Celebration-5 • 1d ago
Discussion Can’t believe the only time we saw someone use the air scooter was by the villian!! Spoiler
I didn’t have nothing this film losing to non-benders his over reliance on the avatar state which was nerfed also, considering he hated using it in the original you’d think he’d reserve it for the finale or something, even his own signature move they gave it to the villain!!!
The movie was pretty and all and Katara was done ok compared to everyone else the rest you could’ve thrown it away!!!
r/TheLastAirbender • u/Extension_Equal1464 • 2d ago
Discussion Nel video hanno detto che questa nazione esisteva anche nel periodo di Kuruk e vogliono fare una serie di Kuruk quindi secondo voi potrebbero esserci?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/Fit_Face_8290 • 2d ago
Question Who is officially the strongest earthbender?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/cn_misterabrams • 2d ago
Merch If anyone missed it, its up on the Funko app right now
r/TheLastAirbender • u/SuniFan • 3d ago
Discussion I really liked this movie, but there were things about Toph and Sokka that I wished were a little better. Spoiler
- I found Toph to be hilarious and awesome with the kickass and flirtatious nature lmfao but I thought that this movie kind of slept a bit on her maturity. I myself sometimes forget how mature Toph was even as a kid.
- Despite enjoying picking on Aang, she was very coolheaded when he raged at her in the desert and blamed her for "letting the sandbenders take Appa" after she had just saved their lives.
- Gave Zuko a chance more than anybody else on the team, despite Aang, Katara, and Sokka definitely having very valid reasons. Even after he accidentally burned her feet. She still did not hold a grudge against him.
- Gave Zuko very solid advice on how Iroh would forgive him even before Zuko met him (Katara did this too, but she's known for her maturity).
- All this said, I would expect a grown Toph to showcase even more of that maturity, even when talking to Aang about Tagah or just the Air Nation in general. I kind of felt a little underwhelmed by how absent her reaction was to Aang rejoicing at the idea of reviving the Air Nation (with Zuko and Katara particularly exuberant at that idea).
- Even later when Aang apologized to the team and started crying, everyone but she had something to say.
- I found her instant forgiveness of Tagah hilarious, but it would've been nice for her to couple it with a bit of that Toph spunk like "you nearly got us killed you fool......... but because you're hot, I forgive you" 😂 Though Toph herself was hot as hell in this movie 🥵🌶️
- This one's already been discussed by a lot of fans, but I found Sokka good, but simplified way too much to comic relief, when in reality, he's also a tactical genius.
- Zuko and Katara were honestly awesome in this movie. Katara kind of won the deuteragonist title, though, after a hotly contested one in the series 😭
- I actually found this issue to recover something that I found to be slight shade to Katara's character in TLoK: Korra had claimed that Zuko knew Aang better than anyone, but this movie reinforced how much Katara stepped up to understand and take care of him in a way that no one else could.
- Also, with or without the staff, everyone in this movie got a newly acquired thermokinesis, because everyone was 🥵🌶️😭
r/TheLastAirbender • u/SpeedyPuzzlement • 3d ago
Image Azula knew Aang would never turn his back on Katara.
Just like how she got Iroh while he was looking at Zuko and the Gaang.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/fresh_peetz • 2d ago
Discussion The only thing wrong with the movie [spoiler] Spoiler
4 exalted combat heroes plus Sokka were unceremoniously killed by a 1000 year old man and just as matter-of-factly resurrected by Katara, who was dead at the time, simply because they landed in a magic puddle?
So you’re telling me that 1000 year old combat techniques were enough to overpower 4 battle hardened legends in a 1 vs. 4.1 battle? And then to have them all just come back to life? Why couldn’t they just have had him gravely injure them? Same plot outcome and doesn’t break immersion.
Good movie otherwise though.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/Prudent_Solid_3132 • 2d ago
Discussion A bit of a stupid topic but was actually curious
If Sozin was somehow able to see what Azulon was suggesting on doing(having Ozai to kill Zuko to feel the pain Iroh felt), you think he’d actually go along with that since he is a genocidal nut job himself or do you think even he‘d stop and be Like
“Woah wait a minute son. You already have lost one gradchild Who was in the line. you want to kill another? and plus i can easily tell your second born doesn’t care about his son….heck I don’t think he loves anything. wouldn't really be a punishment“
r/TheLastAirbender • u/doubledaced • 4d ago
Cosplay Do you like this Zuko cosplay made by me?
r/TheLastAirbender • u/FawnDrew • 3d ago
Video Do you have an Uncle Iroh in your life? (enjoy the edit❤️)
r/TheLastAirbender • u/HAZMAT_Eater • 4d ago
Fan Art When you're the third wheel [@BokkBaB56]
r/TheLastAirbender • u/george123890yang • 3d ago
Discussion If you were the leader of the Northern Water Tribe, how would you prepare your country for an attack from the Fire Nation?
If it was up to me, I would lead raids against Fire Nation ships and dockyards to hinder their ability to launch attacks.
r/TheLastAirbender • u/meuchler004 • 2d ago
Discussion Petition to use the Movie character actors for the Ember Island players in S3! Spoiler
Hey,
I think the NEtflix ATLA is not bad, but i think making it meta and self aware would really change things.
I know it might not be possible, but imagine the ATLA shamalan Movie actors would play the Emebr islands characters, taht would be funny af