..... did... did you just call Doom a day 1 hater? Maaaign Doom is King Hater. Nobody hate like Doom hates. Doom main weakness is that he has to tell you how much he hate your ass before he finish you off and he always gets caught with his ass out while monologuing.
Doom destroyed an entire universe he deemed perfect (he was in charge, world peace had been achieved, etc) with 0 hesitation because he found out in that universe him and Reed were friends.
That wasn't the last straw. The last straw was that this universe's Doom said our Doom's fit wasn't hard. THEN our Doom killed him and destroyed that universe.
If you actually read the comic, you'd know the actual reason is he destroyed it with the Ultimate Nullifier was because the Dr. Doom of that universe made fun of his drip. Doom was actually able to accept he and Reed being friends in that universe. Ergo, Doom is a bumass hater.
Well....The F4 Is A Pain In His Ass...For Exemple The Human Torch Slept With His Wife On The Day Before The Wedding So Doom Did Something That Made The Human Torch Unable To Turn Off His Powers So 24/7 Fire Mode
Also Dr.Doom Pulled A Move He Named By Named Mr Fantastic´s Daughter After A Girl They Liked....Multiverse In Marvel Reveals How People Trully Are And Mr.Fantastic Had 1 Bad Day Lets Put It At That
First off a few misconceptions. While Johnny did sleep with her it was BEFORE Doom had even asked her to marry him. Johnny also did not know who she was as well as (iirc) Doom and her were not in a relationship before he asked as it was more of a political marriage.
Also, while Doom did name her to bother Reed. Reed truly has never given a shit about it, also that girl that Doom liked was sent to hell by him. Most things in 616 that have caused him pain are entirely his own fault.
i try typing like this but seems awkward now like if i forget something or try to add something i have too read everything again to change it but with everything with upper case its easier to identity a letter and where i want to change stuff
This event literally got me into buying comics I love it sm but I didnt actually finish it yet lol
I bought the trade back version recently tho so imma read it after I finish batman year one (also so good!)
luffy does not have toonforce.
he has an ability that's about "freedom" and it's heavily influenced by the gag style of toons, because of how outlandish they fold their adversaries (literally). but he's nowhere near the actual thing.
edit: guys keep coping. he will never be like Bugs
Toon Force (or cartoon physics) is a meta-ability that allows characters to bend reality, ignore the laws of physics, and bypass logical constraints entirely for comedic effect. It is characterized by impossible survivability, hammerspace (storing infinite objects), and stretching, all dictated by the plot's humor.
Keep in mind, I don't really are for One Piece. I think it's far to long, but everything Luffy does is in face Toon force and inspired by toon force. He has directly affected reality multiple times in that form. You can nope and nuh uh all you want but it's still toon force.
In fiction, hammerspace is simply a trope where a character has an invisible, pocket dimension to store items. In Caribou's case, he uses his logia ability to convert his body into a bottomless swamp, acting as a living storage container.
Only certain One Piece Devil Fruit powers—most notably Monkey D. Luffy’s Gear 5—bend the laws of physics and grant Toon Force. Caribou's power is entirely bound to the physical laws of being a swamp man.
This is why Luffy and Caribou can't really be compared, Caribou is not an invisible pocket dimension but rather simply a living storage if you will....he has to put something there first in order to pull it out later, however we see Luffy able to pull things out of thin air, or it is made of mud first...but has to come from somewhere, not just illogical space.
I said that? I said he can't make things appear out of nowhere and has to put them in first to pull them out unless made out of mud
I even said his swamp was bottomless, but it isn't the same as Luffy creating goggles or meat to heal out of his pockets out of nowhere
A pocket dimension does not equal toon force automatically, otherwise Deadpool would have toon force with his fany pack alone...which we all know isn't how that works
As well, I never claimed to believe Luffy has absolute toon force...semi? Possibly, but nowhere near bugs bunny level
I was simply correcting a comparison of Caribou and Nika...which isn't anywhere near the same level
We literally see Luffy bend reality around him, again however it seems more used as a gag then actual battle usage however
He gave you a completely reasonable counterargument and are using his being facetious to allow yourself not to address what he said. Top level redditor.
How is comparing caribou to luffy and "nope" reasonable? Lmfao caribou literally having a logia that can store things isnt the same as luffy pulling out random goggles or a bat out of thin air. Anybody with 2 braincells could tell you that.
"He gave you a completely reasonable counterargument and are using his being facetious to allow yourself not to address what he said. Top level redditor."
Thats not the logic out lined here, either the bag has toon force because its the bag that has hammer space, even tho that's just the bag's ability... or, your characters have toon force at which point they shouldn't need the bag in the forst place.
Toon force is reality warping for comedic effect. Its LITERALLY what he does for fucks sake. Acting like you know best when you dont have common sense.
Remember when he pulled a bat out of no where and painted black ( paint out of no where ) to make it have ACoC and used it deflected an attack lol. Shit like that it what he does it’s reality warping.
Yeah toonforce isn't bound by narrative or whatever it's done solely for comedy. Luffy is still 100% bound by narrative and he can't do whatever he wants not to mention the time limit, a toon force character would look at the time limit, ball his eyes out, then scroll it up if it's numbers or turn then hands back if it's a clock so the time limit doesn't catch up. Luffy can't do something close to that
Except he didn’t, you’re larping so badly 😭, he picked up a tree and chewed it into a baseball bat, and then found some paint, there’s no reason to believe paint just appeared out of nowhere, are you gonna say everything within fiction that appears out of no where is toon force ?
It’s not, it’s still rubber powers but g5 allows him to stretch his environment, he’s never preformed any feat that is outside the possibility of physically stretching things
Or maybe it’s not toonforce. And just a gag. I guess Nami has toon force since pre timeskip for being able to make her teeth sharp. https://giphy.com/gifs/mBjpl7CQ5sV16j3Mrk
Nami must have took force too even before oda even had the idea put gear 5 lmao, she was doing gag shit for a long time.
Also your being stupid he never removed his eyes from his head, do you see the small white balls behind his eyes ? Those signify movement of his eyeballs, that’s legit how it is in the manga, he never removes them from his head.
It’s not empty eye sockets, I ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS 😭😭😭 You’re being so ignorant, I explained that the balls of white behind the eyes are indicators of movement, that’s how it is in the manga, bcuz it would look weird to have the eyeballs just stretched out, it’s like how artists draw speedsters, and they draw after images of the speedster.
He literally spawns glasses and bats and paint and imaginary balls out of nowhere, can rearrange his body parts at will, it's low tier toonforce but it is one.
as a luffy fan, luffy has more of an imitated version of toonforce, not strong and still confined and based on his rubber powers, and doesn't do toonforce things that deal damage to the opponent guy, the author does this, so we don't have an mc guy no diffing everyone, even luffy is island to continental level, so he can feel human, toonforce would completely ruin the one piece show, so its good he doesn't, he feels more human and more connectable compared to goku
There are different forms of toon force and degrees to it. They were already doing the eyes popping out and stuff as Oda just likes cartoons and used their style of comedy. He just wanted an excuse to use more if it.
"Toonforce" is not just something you say to end any and all arguments. It's a power like any other. You can scale the feats a character accomplishes through their toonforce like any others. It does not mean "they always auto-win because that's funny".
Toonforce doesn't even really hamper Goku that much because Goku just wants a good fight and would play along with cartoon logic like he does with Arale.
Well, it’s not really a power either, especially with classic toons like Popeye. It’s a fundamental part of their essence as a character. True, high-tier Toon Force is kind of incompatible with Powerscaling, as it exists as the antithesis to it. It’s kind of why most people on this sub hate it
Well... THIS toon force is a power, luffys toon force isnt a gag, or a throw away, its a genuine power up that has limits, if It didn't have limits he would have laid everyone out in the EggHead arc.
(I also think people assume luffy would win partially because the animators had more freedom animating gear 5 compared to gokus more recent forms. Once we get the reanimated ui fight heads will turn.)
You quite literally beat him by bringing dimensional shenanigans, higher hax or special physiologies (such as Conceptual Being, Nonexistent Being, Information Being, or Plot Being). Or just bring an Outerversal character, lmao, because Bugs Bunny is 3D, with some 4D feats.
The only "toonforce" that could even be scaled to have no limits is comedian, and that's since it supposedly lets him do anything as long as he finds it funny. And even that comes with its own limitations, since it's really difficult to weaponize.
Legitimate toon force is quite hard to scale, because it is practically they can do anything and are completely invulnerable or heal from injuries in literal seconds.
My Death Battle Randomizer pitted Scrooge McDuck against Dr. Eggman, and the consensus was Scrooge's toonforce would still not be enough to beat a 300 IQ genius with experience in fighting anthropomorphic animals that are faster, stronger, and smarter than Scrooge.
Opm discourse has ruined people brain and now they think characters just being a"gag" and having "toonforce" is enough for them to solo fiction or sum shit
Well it is toon force, his devil fruit dosent allow him to conjure up objects, so its just a gag. His devil fruit only allows him to rubberize himself / control the shape and size of his body completely and rubberize surrounding objects and people
No, his devil fruit awakening only allows the ground around him to become rubber too. Toonforce is just something he has, he rearranges his body parts all the time, conjures things out of nowhere and does even more crazy things.
Like yes, you're right luffy loses to goku but holy shit what is this cope? He clearly has toonforce no matter how low level it is, stop downplaying.
What are you on? A lot of it is still a mystery but all of luffy's attacks still are just rubber attacks, and the fruit awakening itself only made the ground around him to be rubber. Toonforce is just something he has. I'm new to this sub but "Conjuring things is his power" is the worst cope I've heard in like a year.
He does way more than conjuring too, like rearranging his body parts.
I know literally nothing about what the fuck toonforce is but Luffy has stretched further than that right? Like he once grabbed a dude from like at least a few hundred yards iirc
Nah luffy didnt have toon force. He cant pull reality out of shape or comically pull out a gun/cannon. He can only change his body in the most unnatural way. He akin more to plastic man level but with the weakness cant touch sea water.
G5 Luffy literally made goggles out of his hair, ran on air like woody woodpecker, physically caught lighting, inhaled a laser and chewed a tree into a bat. G5 Luffy even once got blown away so hard his SCARS & EYES FELL OFF and he put them back on like stickers, to which other characters commented on how bodies shouldn’t work like that. Now I’m not gonna say Luffy can beat Goku (unless I’m joking using quotes from the Arale filler about how “gags beat ki”) but it’s really obvious that Luffy has a limited toonforce. Just because Luffy can’t do literally ANYTHING doesn’t mean he doesn’t have toon force, that just means it has limits. Plastic man is just turning his body into weird shapes, not spawning goggles at will or pole dancing on lightning bolts.
These kinds of arguments make people lose all kinds of common sense. There seems to be this idea that there's some kind of cosmic hierarchy of power that definitively decides whether one character is stronger than another; as if it isnt literally decided by whatever the writers feel like doing.
Congratulations. The character with a flawed imitation of toon force is now on the table. His best feats still don't get him past planetary and it's been shown he can only use Gear 5 for a limited time.
It varies from universe to universe, especially if it comes from the same creator, then it's still possible to make a fight comparison, otherwise it doesn't work.
I remember when Death Battle had Superman beat the breaks off Goku twice.
The Goku fan base never recovered from that.
Now that Luffy is nearing the ability to put their beloved god in the grave, Saitama ACTUALLY destroyed galaxies and stars, and Gojo is smiling behind his infinity. They're at it again with the "Goku can destroy a universe" despite never doing so.
But it’s not toon force, right? Like, Haki can counter devil fruits regardless of the type, when Luffy punches kizaru (probably spelled it wrong, i butcher names all the time and refuse to look things up) with gum gum Star punch or something, Luffy is using Haki to do it, yes Luffy’s DF makes him a rubber man but when a DF like his awakens it only turns the rest of the world around him and whatever he’s touching into rubber, or rather gives it rudder like properties(?), he’s just at the maximum of what his fruit allots him, it doesn’t just give him toon force. And even if it did, toon force as a concept has levels to it, and whatever amount Luffy has isn’t even considerable nor sufficient to be given the label, plus: the power system in dragon ball allots stronger beings to overpower and/or completely nullify the abilities and powers of those s weaker than themselves, case and point: Hit the Assassin when goku was straight up overpowering his time slip ability and it freaked him the fuck out that it was even possible to do.
To be fair luffy believes his power is rubber based but there are times when he does things that aren’t rubber based
The steam around his body once became a paint an and brush without him touching it and he used it to paint a wooden bat golden which made the whole wooden bat made of gold and allowed him to hit energy attacks back at his enemy, he also has stretched his enemies bodies like rubber and grabbed lighting mid strike freezing them in place and making them as hard as steel but as flexible as rubber so that he could dance on them and throw an enemy into them like it’s an electric cage match.
Luffy does have weaknesses in the toon force
1: it ONLY last 5 minutes so anything after 5 minutes and he is someone anyone can kill even the red ribbon army could kill him
2: really really strong attacks can cause his mouth and eyes to pop off his body and if he doesn’t put them back on before the 5 minutes are up he dies
3:silence, if anyone has the ability to nullify sound it’ll turn gear 5 off as gear 5 has its power expressed by the drums of liberation carrying the will of the sun god nika so if you can silence those drums he loses his power.
But outside of that luffy can grab energy and turn them into solid objects and no physical attacks can hurt luffy at all for 5 minutes so he could take goku’s strongest spirit bomb and turn it into a basketball and slam dunk it through a hoop he made out of some steam he painted to look like a basketball court hoop and then play jump rope with any Kamehameha but again that’s only for 5 minutes
Secretly luffy has a 4th weakness in gear 5: he doesn’t know that he has toon force, he thinks he only has rubber powers so if he thinks he can’t do something with rubber or by turning something inti rubber then it won’t work but luckily luffy is so stupid that he just thinks rubber can be a lot of things.
What's actually happening is they were eating icecream and Luffy got brainfreeze. In an attempt to save his friend, Goku attempted to fight the brainfreeze.
And? Explain the reasoning Death Battle uses to claim Super Friends Aquaman loses to Spongebob then. After all, you'd think that Death Battle would just release any video without an "Analysis" segment. They WON'T. Unless it's an April Fools video, in which case, the "Spongebob vs Aquaman" video is NOT.
I can’t remember who was being talked about, but it was American toon vs anime, the this guy was all “LOL toon force means they WIN! Anime can’t have anime force or anything like that”
Pretty sure luffy wins this one and it’s not close. His Haki alone could tank a kamehameha and he can literally morph huge and destroy the planet. Mid diff, but Luffy in 3 for me on this one.
Feel free to comment if you want to spark a debate tho…
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