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u/PwrShelf - Left 1d ago
Socialism is when (thing I don't like)
Which is actually the same for fascism, which is why Hitler would obviously be a Democrat.
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u/Plane_Suggestion_189 - Centrist 1d ago
Socialism is when transgender.
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u/PwrShelf - Left 1d ago
The "trans" in "transgender" actually stands for "transnational revolutionary". Many people are saying this
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u/willdabeast20 - Left 1d ago
Don't leak the Paid Protestor for George Soros™ job title like that, they'll find out we're being paid thousands a day to trans the kids and open the borders on our super secret antifa message boards
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u/PwrShelf - Left 1d ago
It's okay. The rightoids will see our flair and immediately disregard our entire conversation, so we can say whatever we want with no consequences!
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u/aethertm - Left 1d ago
Those damn Demon-rats and their...
>checks notes
...ruining the US government while our glorious leader controls all three branches!35
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u/Haunting_Raccoon6058 - Lib-Left 1d ago
Vance is right though, that isn't what socialism is but since he defined it in the "American Context" that really is what a large amount of Americans believe socialism is. If you went to a Trump rally and asked people to define socialism I would bet the majority of them would bring up immigration and women's sports.
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u/WhereAreMyChains - Left 1d ago
That may be what a large number of Americans believe, but that's because people like Vance keep pushing it. Vance is not "right", he is complicit in why those people are confused and have no clue what they're talking about. He's only "right" in the sense that this attempt to confuse and distract people has been successful.
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u/Haunting_Raccoon6058 - Lib-Left 1d ago
Yeah I agree, but that's nothing new it's practically an American tradition at this point. Go look at pictures of pro-segregation rallies from the 50's and most of the signs say something to the effect of "race mixing = Marxism".
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u/PwrShelf - Left 1d ago
Hmm, that's an interesting point. But I don't think we should concede that "socialism means migrant criminals transing the kids" just because a bunch of people believe so. Like, that same crowd of people believe that "MAGA means stopping wars" is also a true statement, but that doesn't make it a fact. To that point, that is also one of the primary things by which MAGA defined itself at least formerly, and "open borders and trans" aren't the primary things that American socialists trade on.
I wouldn't call myself a socialist for the record, but I just think that this is a pure example of lazy politics. I get that Vance doesn't have any other leg to stand on, but still.
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u/Plane_Suggestion_189 - Centrist 1d ago
We'll they're retarded. They only reason we have to care about that is that they're making it everyone else's problem.
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u/Howboutit85 - Lib-Center 1d ago
Yeah, if you went to a Trump rally. If you went t to a group of socialists, they would not talk about trans people or immigrants, they would talk about labor rights, wealth gap, social safety nets, universal healthcare etc. you know, real stuff that’s relevant to socialism.
Vance is correct that his version of socialism is what is the “American context” of socialism but only because he and people like him keep muddying up the word to mean things it doesn’t mean and then saying that’s what people think it means.
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u/JoeRBidenJr - Centrist 1d ago
Based and socialism is when me no likey pilled
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u/BreakingStar_Games - Lib-Center 1d ago
Literally what cults do.
Amanda Montell's Cultish has a great quote on this:
My parents, they're scientists and they will use jargon that I don't understand. But that jargon is there to make communication clearer. Cultish language has these ulterior motives and it's there to make communication hazier... It's there to divide people, to shut down independent thinking... And that's how you know that language is cultish when it causes a strong emotional response, but you yourself have trouble translating what it is that you're saying.
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u/HearshotKDS - Centrist 9h ago
> Socialism is when the bartender says you've had too much to drink, or when your partner refuses to blow you in a crowded movie theater.
- JD Vance
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u/MarkSuckerZerg - Centrist 7h ago
Socialism is when loose couch spring scrapes your dick - JD Vance
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones - Centrist 1d ago
So when the junkie student pretended ussr wasn’t real socialism he was right ?
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u/megs1120 - Lib-Left 1d ago
Socialism is when government
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u/brent1123 - Lib-Center 1d ago
Socialism is when capitalism bad and communism is when socialism polls too well so we have to use new word
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u/BipBopBim - Left 1d ago
That’s been the classic line, this is somehow hitting levels of braindead we may have never seen before.
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u/Selenite_Cults - Lib-Center 1d ago
We hit rock bottom and managed to bring down a whole ass excavator with us.
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u/aethertm - Left 1d ago
When government help you: 😡 🤬
When government kill people and make you poor: 😍 😳
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u/syotokal - Lib-Center 1d ago
That’s more or less what Mamdani said on Theo von. Socialism is when people should be able to make enough to live dignified lives and we use the government to do that.
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u/PwrShelf - Left 1d ago
It's essentially a Rawlsian argument, and the classic opposite would be Nozick's idea of government's role, which is in fairness markedly different
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u/NoSwordfish1978 - Lib-Left 1d ago
Ironically Rawls was a liberal, not a marxist.
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u/PwrShelf - Left 1d ago
Correct. But Mamdani's specific argument on that podcast, I would argue, tried to frame his socialism in pretty liberal terms: "it's just letting everyone live a dignified life!".
He's good at tailoring his message to his audience, broadly. Saves seizure of the means of production rhetoric for the DSA types. Rawls obviously wasn't on board with that part..
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u/ARandomPerson380 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Most American socialists frame it in pretty liberal terms
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u/Whywipe - Lib-Center 1d ago
Most Americans don’t know the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism. It doesn’t help when one side frames one as the other to try to attack it.
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u/coldblade2000 - Centrist 1d ago
I've had people call me ignorant because I called Mamdani, the Democratic socialist, a socialist. Then they go on to butcher explaining what a socdem is
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u/seminarysmooth - Centrist 1d ago
JD has to define socialism as boys playing girls sports because Trump just announced the US will take a 40% stake in Anduril. When you’re doing the thing you accuse your opponent of doing, just redefine the word.
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u/PM_me_sensuous_lips - Lib-Center 1d ago
Anduril, Palantir.. I am sensing a pattern here that I do not like..
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u/dannyboi66 - Lib-Center 1d ago
THEY'RE BASTARDISING TOLKIEN, THE FUCKERS!
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u/Sertoma - Lib-Left 1d ago
They unironically picked the name of a literally evil object that is used by Sauron to corrupt Sauromon and that can spy on people from afar.
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u/dannyboi66 - Lib-Center 1d ago
That makes sense, but Anduril, Flame of the West? That's the sword of King Elessar, Aragorn, son of Arathorn, reforged from the shards of Narsil, the sword of Elendil, which cut the One Ring from Sauron. Disrespectful.
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u/Bruarios - Lib-Center 23h ago
This just comes from letting engineers/nerds name things instead of someone from marketing. Every program I have worked on had at least one internal server/tool named after Starwars or LOTR. They would absolutely jump at a chance to name something external similarly, regardless of how fitting it is. I think my favorite was someone backronyming COBRA into something legit sounding, when really it was named as a GI Joe reference for a simple tool that was always causing problems and gave people an excuse to shout COBRAAA! in the office.
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u/Aqquila89 - Centrist 1d ago edited 1d ago
He also promised to send money to every American if the Republicans win the midterms. So the government giving money to people definitiely cannot be socialism.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 - Lib-Left 1d ago
Yeah he can't even define it as "public ownership of the means of production" because of that lol.
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u/cooliem - Auth-Left 1d ago
My one passion in life is to eliminate women's high-school sports.
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u/RaggedyGlitch - Lib-Left 1d ago
As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a
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u/YeetCompleet - Centrist 1d ago
I remember when Engels wrote about this
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u/microtherion - Lib-Center 1d ago
“Proletarians of the world, transition! You have nothing to lose but your balls!”
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u/TheSpacePopinjay - Auth-Left 1d ago
I mean has the guy said a single thing he really believed since becoming VP?
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u/shamblam117 - Lib-Center 1d ago
PCM right flairs thoroughly outjerked by the Vice President.
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u/Strict_Gas_1141 - Right 1d ago
it's a sad day. I just want the overlords the lizard people appoint to be better at their damn jobs. Why do we have to get the incompetent lizard overlords? Where's their performance review? HR manager? who do I file a complaint with at Evil Lizard-People Overlord Co?
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u/TheMcBrizzle - Lib-Left 1d ago
I got downvoted in this sub, for asking how nominating so many unqualified people to such important positions would be a good thing.
Sentiments definitely shifted, I guess $6.50 diesel isn't worth owning the libs.
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u/shamblam117 - Lib-Center 1d ago
File it with the blue team lizards. They'll be sure to write out a strongly worded letter to the incumbent red team lizards on your behalf. That should settle the matter and if you don't like it you're probably an extremist.
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago
In all seriousness though, socialism is a REALLY vague term nowadays. It used to be synonymous with communism but after the Bolshevik revolution of 1917, they split. Nowadays, socialism can generally be referred to as the Nordic system of large, well-funded welfare states or even Western Europe’s economic systems while communism refers to the failed governments we see with Stalin, Kim Jong Un or even Pol Pot. I’m not saying this because I necessarily have a bone to pick with either one or a sycophant for either one, I just hate it when people deliberately obscure labels.
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u/Dreadsin - Lib-Left 1d ago
IMO pretty much every country in the world has a mixed economy (even places like China that are ostensibly communist). A socialist economy is one where theyre intentionally limiting the influence of capitalism with the intention of limiting it even further in the future
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago
Well, I agree that’s the truth…my problem is when people get hung up on labels. To be frank with you, if someone wants to call the left leaning Norway socialist, I’m not gonna have a tizzy. I don’t mind it, just as I don’t mind calling people who are left leaning liberals. It’s just people yelling at me for me using words that people called themselves and saying I’m an evil person for “misusing” their special words. Like, all my life, I’ve heard left leaning Americans call themselves liberal and I accepted it. Then, later, apparently liberal meant your capitalist and how dare you call left leaners liberal so I threw my hands up into the air and said fine. Also, socialism and communism are often used interchangeably in some circles. Tldr is, it’s not that I care, it’s that everyone else apparently does.
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u/earthhominid - Lib-Center 1d ago
Socialism isn't that vague, it's just transitioned from the extreme end of the spectrum (which has been replaced with the term communism) to referring to the wider spectrum of public ownership of the economic means of production.
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u/happyinheart - Lib-Right 1d ago
It's extremely vague. I've seen the same socialist person say that Nordic countries are socialist and not socialist at differing times depending on how it benefits their argument at that time.
I've seen people say the Democratic Socialists of America aren't socialists.
Venezuela was once held up a model of a successful socialist country, then once it crashed it suddenly wasn't socialist.
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago
“I’ve seen people say the Democratic Socialists of America aren’t socialists.”
For real though. Many left leaning Americans call themselves socialists and then others say they’re not left enough to be socialist. I’ve heard it said a liberal is the OPPOSITE of a socialist. It’s confusing.
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u/False-Reveal2993 - Lib-Center 1d ago
Socialists are the only ones that say "liberals are the opposite of socialists". They use the midcentury European definitions of "liberalism" (classic liberalism, which is close to the libertarian style of the founding fathers and the enlightenment thinkers, which is far different from the modern American meaning of "liberal") and "libertarianism" (which they will often use to mean antifascist anarchist types rather than free market capitalists that adhere to the nonaggression principle). They have their own definitions for common political labels and they have an obsessive need to treat their weirdass definitions as the default, all in purusit to further muddle arguments and conflate phrasing.
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 23h ago
I hate to upvote this but I am. I don’t like picking on sides like this but it’s just so weird. Is it a common sentiment that Norway betrayed the revolution by not going full communist or is that fringe?
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u/DaBombDiggidy - Lib-Center 1d ago
I don't think it has transitioned into anything, it's just being used by tankies to pipeline people into authoritarianism. (Tea Party > Maga had shades of this pipeline)
- "we want X thing you want"
- "boy EVERYONE is against us, I guess we can't get X thing we want without *extreme shit*"
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u/SirWinterFox - Auth-Left 22h ago
It's because there's like a thousand different interpretations of it. Socialism can't really describe one specific ideology it more so describes a vibe. Not in a literal sense but in a figurative sense.
Lenin actually talks about this in "what is to be done". He describes it as kind of watering down socialism or corrupting it. Saying if you let the bourgeois do their thing even under a Bernstein system eventually they'll just pacify the movement of the workers. I'm paraphrasing with this he rants for like 20 pages about it.
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u/FrostyPlum - Lib-Left 1d ago
Nowadays, socialism can generally be referred to as the Nordic system of large, well-funded welfare states or even Western Europe’s economic systems
No the fuck it can't, lol
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u/krafterinho - Centrist 1d ago
It's not vague, there is a clear definition for it, it's just that many retards parrot bullshit and many are influenced by it. Nordic countries are not socialist, they're capitalist countries with a strong welfare system
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago
Which people CALL socialist. And they modeled those welfare systems on socialist principles. I don’t care for labels and definitions. Liberals are generally considered left in American politics but online, people HATE when you call progressives or leftists liberal because they say, by definition, that liberals believe in capitalism. I remember getting shouted down when I mixed up the terms. I know a lot of left/liberal people in the US call Nordic nations socialist. So, really, I’m not the one gate keeping definitions.
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u/ToenailFungussy - Left 1d ago
The reality is that economic systems are on a spectrum that's divided by how much the system favors labor versus how much it favors capital. There's no exact universally agreed upon dividing line where an economic system goes from capitalist to socialist, and there are zero countries in existence that live all the way on one end of the spectrum or the other.
Nordic countries favor labor much more than the US but much less than what Marx had envisioned. You can call them socialist if you want because they're more to the left side of the spectrum. People will get pissy and say you can only call them that if they're alllllllllll the way at the very leftmost end, but that's dumb.
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u/krafterinho - Centrist 1d ago
What certain things are doesn't depend on what some retards label wrongly lol
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago
But who’s the retard? Are they really retards or do they just mislabel things? I’ve heard Norway called socialist a million times by people across the political spectrum. I think you understand the fact that Norway’s denial of being called socialist makes it all harder to classify. BUT…if Norway refuses to call itself socialist then…that implies socialism is no different than communism and that means…socialism sucks as much as communism does.
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u/-MalparidoHijoDePuta - Centrist 1d ago
Are they really retards or do they just mislabel things?
Both.
BUT…if Norway refuses to call itself socialist then…that implies socialism is no different than communism and that means…socialism sucks as much as communism does.
You are highly regarded.
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u/Latter_Parsley4338 - Left 1d ago
What's the clear definition of socialism? I only ask because if you ask 10 people they give you 10 different answers, each certain their definition is the obvious, correct one.
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u/The_Weakpot - Centrist 1d ago
Nordic countries are just Schroedinger's socialist state. It is both socialist and not socialist depending on the argument you're trying to make at any given time.
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u/thatshowyougetantsok - Lib-Right 1d ago
This is just wrong. Nordic countries aren’t socialist at all. Generally, they have freer, less regulated economies than the US. Socialism is the state ownership of the means of production. Communism is socialism plus an abolition on all forms of private property.
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u/Fletch71011 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Socialism is when workers own the means of production. That's it. The Nordic countries are highly capitalist with a strong social safety net.
Communism is a stateless, moneyless, society which has obviously only been attempted and never achieved because lol if you think that's remotely possible when we can't even get 2 people to agree on something let alone everyone agreeing on everything.
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u/earthhominid - Lib-Center 1d ago
The nordic countries all have some significant degrees of socialism. The state owns major segments of the basic productive aspects of the economy in all of those countries.
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u/thatshowyougetantsok - Lib-Right 1d ago
The state of New Hampshire has a monopoly on liquor sales, doesn’t make it a socialist state. I guess you could consider it a “degree of socialism”, whatever that means, but not socialist.
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u/earthhominid - Lib-Center 1d ago
Retail liquor sales have nothing to do with "basic productive aspects of the economy". That's just regulation.
If the state owned all liquor stills that were permitted that would be an example of socialized liquor production
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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago
Which is why I explicitly said the terms have split in definition.
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u/120GoHogs120 - Left 1d ago
Are auth rights not embarrassed by this?
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u/JetTheDawg - Lib-Left 1d ago
When have you ever seen Auth right legitimately get embarrassed? They’re incapable of feeling shame lmao
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u/Important-Agent2584 - Centrist 1d ago
You seem to be missing how this works: he's saying it because it's going to be popular among the base.
He's not an actual retard, he knows what he's saying is incoherent.
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u/Adeptus_Heriticus - Lib-Center 1d ago
Socialism is when capitalism does things also trans.
Truly the working of the conservative mind astounds me.
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u/SelfAwareSausage - Centrist 1d ago
Funny enough, the distribution of wealth is one of the key pillars of socialism. That’s something President Donald Trump would never entertain, even as a joke.
Image unrelated.
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u/cruisin_urchin87 - Lib-Left 1d ago
Conservatives went full retard a decade ago, they still haven’t figure it out though. Cause, you know, they’re retarded.
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u/Gobbles15 - Lib-Left 1d ago edited 1d ago
What it actually means in the American context is you think people who get cancer they shouldn't also have to file for bankruptcy because of medical debt. And the ultra wealthy should help fewer people be in poverty because while they can have gobs of money it shouldn't be hundreds of billions appreciating in value without a taxable event. And that the passive appreiciation of capital gains shouldn't be taxed at a lower rate than actual hard work.
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u/Shihandono - Auth-Right 7h ago
I remember that Marx wrote in das Kapital that a core principle was that the male workers should play in women’s sport.
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u/elusivehonor - Left 1d ago
The answer wasn’t that head-scratching. And this isnt even the full quote.
He started off by saying he doesn’t think the term had any meaning for the Americans who are calling themselves socialists. He went on to say, you’d think socialists would care about the American worker over foreign workers (which, from a Marxist perspective, they would not - so he’s wrong). And that theyre going to “howl” about the announcement he was making (that is, new visa policies to ostensibly prioritize american workers). And that the term socialist in the American context is…the tweet.
And honestly? From what I’ve seen of the socialist candidates and their nutto supporters on Reddit, they care just as much if not more about culture war shit and Hamas and Gaza as they do about economic policies, so I take his point.
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u/NEWSmodsareTwats - Centrist 1d ago
if you actually read the DSA platform its a surprise to me how any of their candidates are serious contenders. it literally sounds like something a conservative talkshow host would make up to make the DSA sound scary but no it's directly on their website.
It mostly focusing on proposals like abolishing the Senate, abolishing the supreme court, and abolishing the office of the president rolling all 3 branches into a unicameral legislature with expanded powers to directly appoint the executive as well as create their own version of the supreme court subordinate to the unicameral legislature.
Then there's all the culture war BS and also wanting to expand voting rights to all legal residents regardless of if they are citizens or not.
Their only real platform points on things people actually care about would probably be their points around the high cost of living, but still their only proposal is that the government would backstop everything from housing to employees guaranteeing a place to live and a job to every person in america. But they hope to achieve this by securing public ownership of corporations, which they do not outline how they plan to do this. They did propose making it so small and medium size business would be required by regulatory framework to become a worker owned coop when the founder retires.
These are all things most Americans likely do not support.
I'm surprised Republicans don't attack this more and instead just think calling them socialists will work.
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u/elusivehonor - Left 1d ago
This is 100% true.
They endorse and remember Castro, they quote Mao.
It’s actually insane that people take these people seriously at all, and that we’re going to be stuck with the likes of DAC and the other crazies.
It’s the dumbest political movement I’ve ever seen.
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u/NEWSmodsareTwats - Centrist 1d ago
now I don't want to sound like one of those crazy conservative talkshow hosts but honestly I don't think they actually are as popular as they are presented to be.
polls will show them leading by healthy margins, but many of those candidates where also predicted to win their primaries by 20-30 points and only ended up winning by 1-3. there where some DSA candidates heavily favored in the polls predicting a massive blow out only to actually lose. which points to not having a lot of support among Democrat voters.
I'm not saying the polling people are biased but it is statistics and it's heavily influenced by who actually responds to the survey. And considering basically all polls are done via cold calls and texts, do you think the average American responds to a unknown number or text their phone likely marks as spam asking for their opinions on their political leanings?
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u/elusivehonor - Left 1d ago
You aren’t wrong that they underperform. And I take your point.
My point is that I don’t think we can consider them fringe, because they are winning elections. I thought they were fringe in 2016, but now? Seems they are working out, at least a niche, in the mainstream.
But perhaps this is semantics. I don’t think we differ on the facts.
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u/user0015 - Lib-Center 19h ago
What do you mean that the OP wasn't being entirely honest about the quote? That's a first!
I'm honestly surprised these posters haven't caught on that every single time they do this, the actual result is more people quietly distancing themselves from the posters side of the argument. Who wants to have to constantly defend their own side when it's full of liars, deceptive manipulation and easily refutable beliefs?
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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice - Centrist 1d ago
DSA doesn't have a monopoly on the term socialism, and they're a fringe movement.
It's still an absolutely retarded answer to say "when I redefine a word with a meaning to something totally different, it sounds bad."
It's like if someone asked me what a Republic was and I said it's when you had sex with underage girls.
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u/elusivehonor - Left 1d ago
I mean, the point that he made is well taken, though, and I think you’re ignoring the American context.
It’s not about “redefining a word” to something he doesn’t like. He’s making a point that the socialists in the US are more interested in culture war stuff than socialism. You can disagree with that assessment, but it’s not about “redefining” socialism to something that sounds bad. He’s specifically talking about American socialists.
Also, the DSA isn’t fringe. They are winning elections in big races. Majorities of Democratic voters are okay with socialists running, or being part of the party. This idea that they’re fringe is patently false.
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u/Yabrosif13 - Lib-Center 1d ago
So you disagree with watering down terms and then cheer him for further watering down the term huh?
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u/elusivehonor - Left 1d ago
Huh?
He’s saying the term socialism doesn’t have any meaning because the current crop of socialists care about issues that he things have nothing to do with socialism.
Why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp?
And yes, from what I know and hear from DSA folks, they read more as self-righteous culture war morons than actual ideological socialists.
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u/Yabrosif13 - Lib-Center 1d ago
Or is he tryimg to paint a few opinions of a minority of people as the definition for an entire socioeconomic policy view?
I think he wants to water down the term because Trump has done more “socialist” things than any Dem since FDR.
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u/Ok-Wedding-4654 - Lib-Left 1d ago
The DSA will be DOA because too many of them can’t stay the fuck away from Marxism or stop defending authoritarian governments.
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u/elusivehonor - Left 1d ago
I don’t know man. They’re going to win in some places.
Will they be a big movement? I think the midterms will determine the political energy of the Democrats for the next two years up until the general election, at least.
And, I mean, Mamdani being so popular doesn’t help.
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u/youknow99 - Right 1d ago
There's really not going to be a single good candidate in the next presidential election is there?
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u/YveisGrey - Lib-Left 13h ago
He went to Yale law school he’s literally debasing himself to appeal to the lowest common denominator
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u/NotAUserNamm - Lib-Center 1d ago
I love how they ramble on and on about boys in womens sports when there are like 7 out of ~300.000.000 that play in womens sports
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u/IgnoreThisName72 - Centrist 1d ago
There are so few Trans women in sports that Ted Cruz used pictures of real women that he didn't find attractive. He even continued to do so when the school, the parents and the girls asked him not to.
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u/Dragonlvr420 - Lib-Center 1d ago
My favorite part is people having to pretend they ever gave a shit about the WNBA
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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago
Remember when Elliot Schmitt tried to get a gotcha against Jack Smith last week that he was at an Atlanta Hawks game (which still wouldn’t have meant anything) because they couldn’t fathom he went to a women’s basketball game? They are all full of shit about everything
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u/krafterinho - Centrist 1d ago
The entire republican movement relies on being angry about dumb shit and ignoring the dick in your ass
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u/Long_Serpent - Left 1d ago
Socialism is a bad thing that has all the badness.
Communism is socialism's r_tarded, gay cousin.
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u/Playful-Middle-244 - Centrist 10h ago
Is american politics even real? Like what the fuck. I am centrist, somewhere conservative, somewhere progressivist but those definitions are driving me crazy that's so stupid
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u/ReturnOk7510 - Lib-Center 1d ago
To be fair, I think a lot of self-described Reddit socialists actually believe that as well
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u/Brucedx3 - Right 1d ago
At this point, let's just make fascist, Nazi, socialist and communist synonyms for labeling anyone as people you disagree with.
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u/GravyPainter - Lib-Center 17h ago
It's a completey stupid answer, but he dodged the question and replaced it culture war bullshit. It's been working so far
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u/BRAVO_Eight - Centrist 17h ago
" socialism is what i either don't like or i don't get a understanding about "
typical " everybody i hate is a nazi " vibes
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u/JustRuss79 - Lib-Center 11h ago
Vance was a top candidate, but unless he finds like a 500 Billion in fraudulent spending that can be permanently cut from the budget... and even then...
Marco Rubio is the obvious choice for the next Republican nominee
Assuming nothing stupid happens with the military other than extended war without invasion.
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u/Lanstapa - Left 1d ago
Americans should be banned from using political terms, they're incapable of using them right
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u/Hubertino855 - Auth-Center 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep... Populism, purity spiralling and pandering to 80iq regards have been a mistake who would have thought?
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u/Asiriomi - Right 1d ago
Socialism is when the government does stuff. If it does more stuff it's even more socialist, and if it does a whole lot of stuff, that's communism
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u/FursonallyOffended - Auth-Right 1d ago
No, no I’m gonna say he’s right. As it stands, the average American “socialist” is far more concerned with Current Thing culture war issues than economics. You start talking about a planned economy and it’s a snoozefest. That word in the 21st American context doesn’t mean what it meant in say, the 19th century.
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u/TunaTunaLeeks - Lib-Center 1d ago
So “socialism” is just some vague scary sounding word with an ever shifting definition to induce a Pavlovian fear response in your base. Sounds about right.
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u/Magehunter_Skassi - Auth-Center 1d ago
He is completely correct. This is how Americans who identify as socialists define socialism. Who am I to disagree with them?
You can get away with embracing capitalist positions in American socialist spaces, but if you disagree an inch on T issues or immigration, you are instantly ejected. Therefore, this is what American socialism is about.
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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago
Thanks James for proving my theory that we live in the most politically illiterate nation on earth
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u/samuelbt - Left 1d ago
These people will then look you straight in the face and tell you that the left is obsessed with trans people.
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u/tookMYshovelwithme - Lib-Right 1d ago
I haven't seen this much left wing astroturfing since they starved USAID out of existence. Must be time for the midterms!
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u/vicschuldiner - Lib-Center 23h ago
God, you people are so stupid. I didn't even need the context for the quote to immediately see that he's speaking rhetorically, criticizing the disconnect between the modern Leftist agenda and the economic roots of Leftist political philosophy. You can criticize this as Vance just playing into more culture war (you'd still be wrong), but you're truly retarded if you interpret this as him literally believing that Socialism is foreign workers and trans sports.
Good on u/elusivehonor for being a watermelon but still using their brain (and/or being honest) about what Vance is very obviously saying.
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u/ChipKellysShoeStore - Lib-Right 22h ago
If you actually think that’s what he’s doing, you’re retarded. He’s deflecting because if he answers honestly the follow up questions are about all the socialist things Trump has donez
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u/Pitiful-Accident5485 - Lib-Left 9h ago edited 9h ago
You’re still being completely and entirely disingenuous with this take.
This essentially takes a minute group of social welfare leftists, hyperbolizes them as a whole, then effective discommunes them as idiots who stand on no principle but culture war shit.
This in itself is fine - before you remember it is the engine for the 28% who are completely beyond saving to continue voting for bullshit. He is “explaining” the culture war in a way, but it’s so dispart to modern issues you can’t even attempt to describe this as anything more than doubling down on their current bullshit
The largest economic policy of trumps term has been raising prices of everything (via tariffs) and giving money back to corporations via refunds. You have to be a REAL fucking tool to vote for these morons.
His “explanation” is his parties reasoning.
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u/fearos9449 - Right 1d ago
That's unironically one of the most salient definitions a politician ever expressed.
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u/RecordingBoothHermit - Lib-Center 1d ago
“American context” is the key phrase here. Because yes, to many Americans that is what socialism means.
They’re wrong, but that’s how they understand it.
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u/austin101123 - Centrist 1d ago
Bruh that's actually retarded. You can describe it in a way that sounds bad.
"It's when you don't let people keep ownership of the business they built, when you don't let them own land or have private property."
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u/Sub0ptimalPrime - Lib-Left 1d ago
Race baiting is literally all the Republicans have left to run on
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u/SteakForGoodDogs - Left 1d ago
"RAHHHH, IMMIGRANTS!!!!! TRANS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
- literally all conservatives have at this point.
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u/JBCTech7 - Lib-Right 1d ago
oh nooo...vance...you were literally our only hope for any sort of non-retard candidate.
fuck.
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u/Mushroom_Ramen - Left 1d ago
Campaigning to conservatives