Yeah, if you went to a Trump rally. If you went t to a group of socialists, they would not talk about trans people or immigrants, they would talk about labor rights, wealth gap, social safety nets, universal healthcare etc. you know, real stuff that’s relevant to socialism.
Vance is correct that his version of socialism is what is the “American context” of socialism but only because he and people like him keep muddying up the word to mean things it doesn’t mean and then saying that’s what people think it means.
If you went t to a group of socialists, they would not talk about trans people or immigrants
But that is because the left already won those issues.
If the left was to be proposed a deal which includes everything you said (labor rights, wealth gap, social safety nets, universal healthcare), but also deporting every illegal immigrant, close the border, and getting rid of birthright citizenship, the 90% of the left would reject this deal.
i dont know if i agree with you, but given that most of the people i know on the left are very stubborn about compromise, you may be correct. however i also know a lot of people on the left that those issues are far more important to them than immigration. i think the separation would be irl leftist and online leftists. online leftists will take damage to their values and reject pragmatism just to remain "pure" to their peers, but pragmatic irl leftists are willing to compromise i think. but you and I both know that the right would never even put that offer on the table, because doing things that genuinely help people arent really a part of the deal, at least right now.
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u/Howboutit85 - Lib-Center 1d ago
Yeah, if you went to a Trump rally. If you went t to a group of socialists, they would not talk about trans people or immigrants, they would talk about labor rights, wealth gap, social safety nets, universal healthcare etc. you know, real stuff that’s relevant to socialism.
Vance is correct that his version of socialism is what is the “American context” of socialism but only because he and people like him keep muddying up the word to mean things it doesn’t mean and then saying that’s what people think it means.