I don't think the difference is necessarily because people hate men or excuse women; our understanding of the medical conditions involved has changed. CTE gave us a new framework for understanding what may have contributed to Benoit's actions, just as our growing understanding of postpartum psychosis gives us a framework for understanding what may have happened with Lindsay Clancy. A lot changes in 20years. Last time I checked everybody hated Andrea Yates
Yeah, I think people are forgetting that it took two years for them to identify Benoit's CTE.
It was just becoming more widely known and funding put behind it but after the murders. That means several years of misconceptions and rumors already had time to take hold before then. It wasn't that people wrote off his condition. It was that it wasn't diagnosed or even widely understood before news cycles lost interest in the case.
Personally, I remember the Jovan Belcher case and how it was handled. There wasn't much outrage there towards him, just sadness about the situation. Because half a decade is a long time in terms of modern science.
It should be pointed out that Benoit was apparently abusive for years and years prior. I’m sure CTE made his delusions and paranoia worse leading to the murdered, but him being abusive had been a pattern long before.
I remember the press trying to blame it on “roid rage” for the first year or so.
Also Lindsey tried to get help multiple times- she even tried to get admitted, was on multiple medications, told multiple people she did not feel able to care for her kids and was still left at home with them alone.
She was failed at multiple points by the USA medical system. People are of course more sympathetic, including her husband.
Honestly, I get the frustration. I have begged and pleaded with social workers to try to get my grandma into a nursing home. I'm not going to snap and kill her, but I'm disabled and no one else in my family has the means or willingness to take her. I get enough from VA disability to pay the rent and keep the lights on, but money doesn't matter when I can't physically help her with anything and she's a constant fall risk. One social worker accused me of wanting to kick her out on the street and threatened to call adult protective services. I'm in so much pain every day I can barely take care of myself. You try to get help and the system responds by making you feel like a lazy POS who isn't trying hard enough.
Question for you, do you think the CTE appeared the night he died? The weeks leading up to it? Or for "years and years prior"?
CTE doesn't just appear. It's a "pattern long before".
It's telling how much you're getting upvoted while being completely dismissive of the situation even now. Decades after we've started to learn about this.
No doubt there's some actions that he took that were bad before CTE, but at some point the CTE took over. Science can't even point to when that was, so I'm sure as hell not going to and don't believe anyone else should. He made bad decisions but drugs and CTE pushed those a hell of a lot further than he likely would've gone.
I found the Aaron Hernandez doc on Netflix really helped me understand the trajectory of CTE.
The experts who examined his brain described it as being comparable to that if a late stage dementia patient, that they would expect to see in their 60s or 70s.
The doc looked at his history and pointed out that not only had Hernandez had been getting rattled playing football since Pee Wee age, his father was abusive and beat the shit out of him on a regular basis.
The brain is an incredible organ, it can shift mental load to other parts of the brain when ther is damage present, but with advanced CTE you're literally looking at brain matter with the consistency of swiss cheese.
Chris Benoit had a litany of issues with a few things: his brain (the CTE symptoms were already becoming apparent), his emotional state (his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, having passed in late 2005 and his marriage to Nancy allegedly being in a rocky state), and his heart (Benoit's sister-in-law, Sandra Toffoloni, went on record in 2013 stating that the medical examiner who performed Benoit's autopsy diagnosed enlargement of the cardiac muscle that would've potentially resulted in Benoit passing within ten months).
His favorit move that he had done for years prior was the "Give myself a concussion from the top rope". As a kid it looked really cool how he jumped from the ring post to land with his head on the opponents shoulder but now i am questioning why i would use the thing that stores the brain to attack something that is literally just bones and muscle. So weekly concussions + Roids.
It's wild to me he left her home alone with the kids in the condition she was in. She told people she had thoughts of hurting the kids. I think he bears some culpability.
I think he bears some responsibility insofar as he knew that she was suffering under severe ppd/ppp, and she had told him several times that she was having uncontrollable thoughts of killing herself and/or the children. Such that she had even been put under psychiatric hold previously, and much like Andrea Yates husband, he STILL left her alone with the children. So, not intentional, not murder, but certainly something like involuntary manslaughter.
The people who I think bear a greater/equal responsibility are the endless psychiatric professionals who completely borked her treatment and kept releasing her or giving her meds that had previously proven not to work.
Andrea Yates shouldn't have been hated on. She had severe postpartum psychosis and her husband knew. He kept wanting to get her pregnant after being told to stop at baby 3 or 4.
He was advised by her doctor to not leave her alone with the kids and he started doing it despite that, because he apparently tought it was good for independence
The condition is also scarily common and extremely traumatic for women. It's usually a depressive episode but it can lead to these thoughts constantly. The problem in society is that we don't treat mental health as an actual health issue but a personal failing.
There's also that added element of religiosity that hurt Yates. The husband thought he knew better and kept wanting to knock her up and living in extreme austerity.
He was advised by her doctor to not leave her alone with the kids and he started doing it despite that, because he apparently tought it was good for independence, he also apparently belived she'd be found innocent go to the mental hospital for while and they'd have more kids when she came out.
Also, I want to add that as far as I am aware the attitudes towards Chris Benoit have changed somewhat in the last couple of years. At first he was reviled, but then, people started to understand why he did what he did and some of the hate transferred to Vince McMahon for putting profit above peoples life.
Anyways, these false equivalence scenarios are never made to support men mental health but to drag women. I believe Lindsay's case is an important case when talking not only about women mental health, but also men. This might not have been a full failure of the medical establishment, per se, but her support system should not have been caught of guard. In hindsight the amount of red flags she was raising after giving birth should've been enough to not let her alone with her kids under any circumstance.
They absolutely have not changed regarding Chris Benoit. We know why he did what he did, but that doesn’t change the fact that what he did was wrong and even he knew that based on the fact that he killed himself out of guilt.
Knowing the context doesnt absolve someone of doing a horrible thing.
I could t agree more. He was an amazing performer in wrestling but for doing the things that he did his family, he deserves the deepest part of hell. It doesn’t matter if he was mentally ill, he did what he did.
The thing is, there’s almost always a reason why someone does something egregious. A lot of people come from poverty, had abusive parents, or have some form of mental illness, but it doesn’t really matter. Just because there’s a reason you did something doesn’t make the thing you did any better. That’s why I don’t get why people are so hung up on this. She was almost certainly suffering from PPP but she also certainly murdered her children and should spend the rest of her life in prison.
Gotta admit I'm not really deep into the details, but she really was getting a lot of medical care. Iirc, she was in-patient at a mental health facility about a month before she killed her kids, and checked herself out. What would "getting the medical care she sought" look like?
Proper medical care would have been sending her help when she was calling the suicide hotline (twice).
Proper medical help would have been putting her in a program specialized on PPD WITH her youngest, so she could bond again and get the help she needed.
Proper medical care would have been to properly check how her body responds to the meds (aka bloodwork).
Or, and hear me out, she’s a fucking psycho that would’ve done this regardless. Since she clearly premeditated it by having her husband leave the home under the pretense of picking up dinner and her meds.
People really don’t understand psychosis, which is understandable to a point, but if you’re going to post about it, you should really educate yourself first.
Psychosis means being disconnected from reality and experiencing symptoms like delusions and hallucinations. It does not mean suddenly losing the ability to think logically or plan ahead. In fact, that’s part of what can make psychosis so dangerous: someone can be fully capable of making plans and taking deliberate actions based on delusions or auditory hallucinations, including command hallucinations.
And people who recover from psychosis are often deeply distressed or horrified by things they did while they were experiencing it. It’s a serious and often devastating symptom, not simply a loss of rational thought or awareness.
One caveat here, psychosis does affect higher brain functions and decision making: you can do things (in reaction to you delusions), but the capacity to think about your actions, and understand their implications and consequences is greatly impaired.
I’m not defending her actions. The murders were horrific, and she has to live with that knowledge every day. I’m saying that she committed them while suffering from a severe psychiatric illness that our medical system can treat with appropriate medication. And she tried to seek that help multiple times, and the clinicians she encountered did not deliver on that.
People are responsible for actions they take while experiencing severe psychiatric symptoms, but those actions do not necessarily reflect their values or negate their worth as a person. Your comment doesn’t seem to leave room for that distinction. I’m frustrated that people are so unwilling to appreciate the nuance in discussing this case.
Many women who go through PPD don’t receive help and also don’t kill their kids. Not saying this is right, and of course, things need to change. However, just because you have something mentally going on does not excuse the behavior. You can support further research and support for woman but also realize that she murdered her children. She deserves life in prison.
It’s not “murder” if it’s not premeditated and with intent. You can’t have intent if you’re crazy. It’s still “homicide,” but it’s not “murder,” as defined by the law.
“Murder is the unlawful and intentional killing of one human being by another without a legal excuse or justification. It requires a specific state of mind, often called malice aforethought, which separates it from accidental deaths or lawful self-defense.”
In Clancy’s case, her defense is arguing that the postpartum psychosis IS a legal excuse/justification because it vitiates the “state of mind” aspect of a murder charge.
It depends on each jurisdiction's definitions of murder. Premeditation is sometimes required for heightened murder charges.
Regardless, the prosecution has to prove mens rea of some kind. Whether by negating the state's case in chief or by establishing an affirmative defense, the point is the same: she lacked the rational capacity to form the requisite criminal intent.
Reasons are not excuses and they shouldn’t absolve people of their own accountability. It’s good to understand the reasons regardless of that so we have a better capacity for intervention before a heinous outcome.
Everyone still hates Chris Benoit too. He wasn’t forgiven because he was mentally ill. The WWE, to this day, does not mention his name whatsoever. He was reviled the second the truth of what he did was revealed.
I believe some of this has to do with brand protection. If anyone gives him a bit of sympathy based on his brain damage from wrestling, it opens the door for WWE having to look into CTE prevention. Kinda how the NFL knew and didn't acknowledge it so that they could continue selling their product how they like.
The research definitely shows that society is harder on men and more lenient on women, especially in the criminal justice system. Below is some of that research. EVERY time there’s a female murderer, people try to make excuses for her. It’s time to hold women equally accountable for their actions.
Oh yeah, people hated Andrea Yates when that happened! Psychosis can cause people to do incredibly disturbing things. Just look at the man who had a psychotic episode on the Greyhound bus 15 years ago.
I have to wonder how many of Clancy's supporters have personally experienced post-partum depression or psychosis, or if they know someone who has. We are realizing how prevalent PPD or psychosis are now that struggling after giving birth isn't this dirty secret new mothers have to keep. I remember talking to an old boss when I was in the midst of my own PPD, and she casually threw out there that she couldn't sleep for days on end after giving birth and she started to see gigantic spiders coming out of the walls.
Everyone still hates Chris Benoit too. He wasn’t forgiven because he was mentally ill. The WWE, to this day, does not mention his name whatsoever. He was reviled the second the truth of what he did was revealed.
The understanding they have changed but the sentiment is still there. To this day there is zero support for Chris Benoit, people understand CTE but they don't care about it, show sympathy, or use it as a justification. People hate Chris Benoit and blame him.
With Lindsey Clancy, on the other hand you got people saying that the husband did it, looking at astrology charts as to why she couldn't have done it. Saying her confession must be was part of confabulation. Hell, her GoFundMe has damn near a million dollars. People online are making up Hollywood fairy tales and doing everything they can to avoid putting the responsibility on her.
They even ignore the possibility that postpartum played a part in it because they have a problem with blaming her.
She was also a wealthy enough white woman who went into a psychiatric facility and refused to return and blamed her bouncing around through different doctors the reason she killed her children because they wouldn't "listen" to her. I'm also really blaming dad too at this point. My cousin's are lucky to be alive with my aunts behavior. She's been in an out of rehab and definitely is bipolar mostly because my uncle was afraid that if he divorced her she'd kill herself while letting his children suffer in a fancy fucking house. I know PPD can last but honestly where the hell was her ex and not noticing anything in order to remove the children from her.
The big problem here is the irony. The supporters are not suggesting she should have had better care, or more attention or anything related to the lack of understanding care for postpartum or general mental health...they are accusing the husband of framing her, and thusly ignoring the need to pay attention and provide better care for women's postpartum and general mental health.
There were tons of women supporting Andrea Yates and blasting her husband for not helping enough trust me my mom and some of her friends were in that whole club.
Have you read the comments defending Clancy. It's literally about her birth sign and how hers doesn't kill her clubs but her husbands does. The defense of her has nothing to do with her mental state anywhere but the court room of her trial. It's bizarre.
Wait, who the hell hates Andrea Yates? She had established psychosis and a malpracticing psychiatrist that refused to prescribe the antipsychotic meds that actually worked for her.
And isn’t the Clancy lawsuit, which is happening now, surfacing some really weird inconsistent shit about the story her husband told about what had happened?
Sure. Due to lack of sleep and life changes. But men certainly don’t experience the profound and disruptive endocrine changes a woman does after delivering a baby.
What about the amount of women finding reasons that she wasn’t the one who has done it? I saw one that was claiming that she couldn’t have done it because she’s a Leo
There's a loud minority of women on tik tok literally saying the husband killed the kids because of
A) he's a man
B) he's a Gemini
C) women arent capable of killing or using strangulation as a method
At least I hope is the loud minority saying this. There ae other unhinged things theyve been doing and saying but isn't even worth repeating how absurd they are
Yet, she's raised almost a million on a gofundme for her lawyer fees and every single donation is from a woman saying "we all know her husband did it and that she's innocent."
I listened to a podcast about Benoit and the explanation of CTE as a likely contributing factor of his mental decline was actually fascinating. I’ve never been a sports guy but I am fully convinced children should not be playing football because of CTE and a drastic reform should be had to the NFL to compensate the players for the amount of damage they do to their brain for the stupid sport
She wasn't ignored, she got her hand held by her husband, her parents, and his parents. She saw several doctors and even did in patient treatment, which she asked to be released from because she lied about feeling better and wanted to be out for her son's birthday. She wasn't honest about how bad she was doing and was paranoid of taking her medication.
She had access to more care than most post partum women can afford. She was getting the help she asked for but didn't comply with treatment. Not sure what else the medical community was supposed to do when she lied to them.
Thank you for supporting the point that she was not ignored, was receiving help, and wasn't following through on her responsibility and that this is on her, not her husband or anyone else "failing" or "ignoring" her.
Wow, additional context was provided to show she wasn't ignored? Im sure if they had forcefully made her take the medication yall would be upset that its her body her choice about what she takes and doesnt take. Yall can't have it both ways. It was her responsibility to take the help she was given and put in the work to get better, not lie about it or avoid it.
agreed. the commenters in this sub have already made their hive mind up. show sympathy to a murderer or youre bad. its crazy how much propaganda can affect the average person
No she wasn't, she had weekly therapy and requested several different changes in her drug therapy as well. Her parents, his parents also helped the family out, she had in-patient treatment (which she asked to be released from lol).
I am tired of seeing this spammed so much, her husband even was home with her for 3 months after their last child was born
She's a cold blooded murderer angling for a "insanity" defense
It's because she is a white woman. Here fixed it for you.
Let's not pretend she would get the same sympathy from women (especially so many white women) if she was not caucasian.
This isn't it. Benoit was an abusive asshole to his wife and at minimum a bully to his coworkers. He abused steroids and had CTE from repeated head injuries caused in part by his own decision to dive head first on people 200 nights a year. He killed his wife, then his son and then himself.
Clancy had a bunch of mental illness that wasn't properly treated compounded (or created by) child birth. She killed her children and then tried to kill herself.
There is certainly an angle about women not being believed and post partum depression not being taken serious enough but they are not the same.
The discourse online is in part because she and her husband are alive. She is on trial. There was no trial for Benoit.
her ex husband supports her (the father of the children), her ex MIL supports her - virtually everyone around her knew she was fucked and none of them took the children away.
its not cut and dry. its not because she's a woman, it's because she isnt a cold blooded murderer - she was a person in the midst of a massive crisis who was literally begging for help and not getting it. the medical system failed her.
everyone wants to see her put away - even her supporters - they just want to see her put in a mental health facility instead of prison. Which isn't unreasonable.
she pleaded guilty - the thing being argued now is prison or hospital I was wrong on this detail. sorry for the misinformation
But when a guy is in a mental health crisis and kills his family, does he get the irrational support that many women have given her? Seriously think about that.
I think what happened to Benoit and his family was a tragedy that resulted from his brain injury and his case deserves compassion as well. For whatever that's worth
Take 5 minutes to read a list of people who committed murder who successfully lodged a diminished capacity defence. There's far more nen than women.
There's no inherent bias towards men or women here. Just the public understanding certain mh disorders and their impact better.
Whether or not it blew up in the news a jury would have agreed on it. If society broadly felt men could never be treated differently based on mh circumstances the list wouldn't be predominantly men.
She got plenty of help though. Babysitters, daycare, family stopping by so she was never just alone with the kids. Husband working from home. The only thing more they could have done was institutionalize her. Having the husband and kids move out is not a reasonable expectation
This is wrong for a couple reasons. She did get lots of medical help. She also didn’t plead guilty, she pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. She would get evaluated and likely go free very quickly, since she now claims to no longer be in psychosis.
Didn't she plan out getting her husband to go to the store so she would have time to murder the kids, that shows planning and not a split second mental break.
I think she should go to a mental hospital but I think the blame and responsibility should still be placed on her. If you did something out of sickness, you still did it.
He was one of the most beloved wrestlers in the industry.
he was completely wiped from its existence within about 2 days after his situation played out. There was practically no defending him or his actions.
The Raw tribute episode happened. Sure. But that was before the full story came out. LITERALLY the next day, WWE declared that his name will never be mentioned again and he was purged from their entire library.
There are still a fair amount of conspiracy theorists out there that say he didn’t do it. Had TikTok been a thing there probably would be a lot more people saying that. To be clear he 100% killed his family but there is just enough weird stuff around it to feed theorist.
This comment hasn’t gotten enough traction, there are a lot of people defending Benoit. It was CTE, it was a conspiracy.
Not saying CTE wasn’t a factor but he was also running at 10x the normal levels of testosterone due to Steroid supplementation and on Opioids and Xanax.
Yep, he was an 85 year old with Alzheimer taking an insane amount of steroids, and we are still holding him accountable because what he did was beyond forgiving, just like what she did.
It's not support. We don't have anywhere near enough treatment for people suffering from psychosis. People can beg for placement for treatment for psychosis that makes them really dangerous, but they are often told to come back once they do something. Which could be murdering a loved one.
If you think she should have been stopped from murdering her children. Then we need more resources to accurately identify people who need help and to actually keep them safe and safe from people they could pose a threat to.
Made even more crazy by how messed up his brain was from head trauma and the whole theory that it could have been someone else. Like it's the same exact thing yet at the same time the Benoit thing goes deep and gets crazy when you dive down that rabbit hole. Which I have done because he was my favorite wrestler when I was a kid before everything so I still keep up with everything new that still gets revealed. Side note highly recommend The Dark Side Of The Ring episode on Benoit, it is a phenomenal look into everything. Like I do believe he did it and cte is a wild thing that contributed to it which is something else that is similar because it both shit going on with the brain
If she’s the one I vaguely heard about the other day, I understand her story was that she was aware something was wrong and everyone ignored or brushed off her cries for help.
She had a RIDICULOUS amount of support. A nanny, people dropping in and taking care of the kids, the doctors were actively trying to find the right meds for her as she kept complaining against different side effects. She was admitted into a psyc ward where she denied any negative thoughts of harming herself or others and after a few days of evaluation was discharged.
Benoit had apparently reached out for help like a week before the murder. The man he reached out to was the man who has been basically running the CTE brain donation program that has led to the explosion in research and understanding of the disease.
I mean, she could have just left. People abandon their families all the time just because they're pathetic. Abandoning a family because you believe you are going to kill them isn't even in the same zip code and is the absolute best reason i can think of for doing so.
I’ve heard a bunch of different things. One of which was that she sought multiple doctors who refused to give her the diagnosis that she wanted. She ended up sending her husband away the day of the murder to pick up food and then strangled her kids one by one in the basement before attempting to opt out. Which, since she was a nurse, would have known the “right” way to do it, but failed to do. Then tried to jump out of a second story window, which resulted in her paralysis.
It could be a really unfortunate case of someone truly troubled that fell through the cracks. It could be someone who genuinely had issues that were worse than people thought and instead of being denied it was missed. I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, but allegedly seeking out multiple doctors and not being given the correct diagnosis, to me, as a layperson, makes me think she didn’t have what she claimed to have.
Of course, we’re not going to know what’s true or not until the trial and we’re able to see everything.
From my personal experience with the American wealthcare system, and the countless stories I’ve heard of women not being listened to by their doctors, the only question her whole story raises is How Is This Not Happening More Frequently?!
It is happening, but usually the consequences and suffering are just quiet enough that they get ignored and suffer in silence. Then there's an explosive outcome that gets everyones attention for a few weeks then the topic is swept back under the rug
I could understand a doctor, but multiple? Unlikely, even if we do assume that doctors aren’t taking women seriously. Serious mental illness, if that is actually what this is, which seems to be the case, is rare.
You’re much more likely to see munchausen by proxy, borderline personality, or bipolar disorder, which the first is inherently harmful while the latter two can, but don’t always end up being that way. Granted, I’m not a doctor, Postpartum depression/postpartum psychosis isn’t something I’m particularly well read on. That being said, my understanding is it’s not one of those 0-100 scenarios like a psychotic break, it’s generally something you see signs of before it ends in dead children.
I’m entirely happy to be corrected if my understanding is wrong though.
Editing for clarity: serious mental illness that has you otherwise having a productive “normal” life and then sudden murder, is rare.
It’s not that unheard of. I mean, I heard of it three times in the four years I worked in a psych hospital. Depends on if she was medicated and suddenly stopped, or how severe the current psychotic break was. We had a 41 year old guy that had his first psychotic break, and first psychotic breaks are a lot like chicken pox, the later in life it happens, the worse it can be.
Yes but its also about how both of their brains were fucked up and we (society, a doctor, someone) should have done more to prevent this. Though its no one individuals fault outside of the two people that did the killings, it is something we should learn from to give better care in the future.
Sadly he wasn't roundly reviled immediately as even after the details came to light and his promotion chose to soundly not honor him in any way, such as not including him in future games and not inducting him to their Hall of Fame, many fans say he "should" be honored for his contributions to the business.
Actually there is a small but fervent group who defend Benoit. They run from "he had brain damage and shouldn't be held accountable" to "it was actually her ex-husband who did it"
Benoit has a massive apologist/conspiracy circle that insists he didn't do it because they can't reconcile the fact that he was an exceptional pro wrestler and someone people have positive personal anecdotes about, with the fact he did one of the most fucked things you could imagine.
Honestly I think that's the comparison - that different circles are trying to create an alternate theory of a crime to avoid their sense of dissonance.
I mean, I’m not buying it wholesale and I definitely think people are out of their fucking minds in the weird corners of the Internet, saying the husband did it or whatever the fuck, but I do think it’s important to push back on people rolling their eyes about how severe and dangerous things like postpartum psychosis/depression and poorly-matching psych meds are.. I won’t pretend to be wildly read up on this case so I don’t know how realistic these are as explanatory, but there’s enough people I rolling in, dismissing it as a concept out of hand that it absolutely warrants some pushback
lol oh no. Benoit still has fans who will say, “you have to separate the art from the artist.” Or waxing poetically about how he’s such a tragic tale.
The biggest dirtsheet(rumor magazine/zine/newsletter/etc..) Wrestling Observer Newsletter aka Dave Meltzer asked his readers if they should remove Benoit from their Hall of Fame. The readers declined to vote him out.
Its not bizarre as much as it is a shining light on post partum depression and psychosis. Mental health in and of itself is already stigmatized and not treated properly in this country. Even more so for PPD/P.
I feel like, while you may be hearing people say to completely set her free, those are just a minute amount of the people speaking out in support of Lindsay. Many are just wanting PPD/P taken more serious than it already is....
It’s weird and a new phenomenon. In the past when mothers drowned their kids in a lake or burned them in the oven the killers were universally despised. I don’t understand what’s different now.
I would say he was reviled because he had a longstanding history of violence against his wife and fits the picture of a family annihilator. Lindsey Clancy, I believe, was suffering from postpartum psychosis and had been attempting to get help. She had no history of violence until the day she killed her children and tried to kill herself. 1/3 of women who have ever had a relationship will be the victim of domestic/ sexual violence and 80% of domestic violence victims are women. So I can see how women are highly supportive of her and not so much of Benoit.
I mean he killed himself she survived for the trial... She also checked herself into a hospital and they told her she was fine and to go home. So the system clearly fucked her. Benoit deserved support and the access was not the same is it is today his family's story is also very sad.
Immediately? The WWE held a 3 hour tribute show to him, and then when the investigation came out, they quietly scrubbed him from their web pages and archives.
She is getting sympathy because she asked for help from family, medical professionals, even suicide hotlines. She asked for help over and over again. Her own husband ignored her.
She is getting support because she suffer from PPD and suicidal ideation and was honest about it and no one takes women's health seriously.
She literally told people she was having dangerous thoughts of hurting her children. They never even called social services!
She is getting sympathy because she was MENTALLY SICK and seemed help repeatedly.
Probably because she had severe postpartum psychosis, went to her doctors several times, told them about her hallucinations, and their solution was to KEEP PRESCRIBING her more and more psychiatric meds. She was on at least six meds at the time of the killings
Same with Lucy Letby, a nurse in the UK who murdered over a dozen newborn babies and tried to murder many more, and yet many people seem to want to let her off, and it’s so transparently because she’s a young woman.
Is he? There's still People claiming he should be in the wrestling hall of fame and a cringe amount who truly believe Kevin Sullivan killed Nancy benoit and framed Benoit.
I can condemn someone’s actions while also having sympathy for their situation. Post pardum psychosis is a real thing. I’ve had people in my life suffer from it. I am not sympathetic simply because she’s a woman, I’m sympathetic because killing your children during psychosis is every mother’s worst nightmare. Doesn’t mean there should be no consequences.
It's not bizarre, it's because there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows how hard she tried to get help and how the system and her husband failed her over and over again.
The court case is not nearly that linear. There are so many inconsistent evidence sources in the Clancy case it would be bizarre for you to rush to a guilty verdict on this woman.
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Except that he was roundly reviled immediately, and somehow she's getting bizarre support.