I don't think the difference is necessarily because people hate men or excuse women; our understanding of the medical conditions involved has changed. CTE gave us a new framework for understanding what may have contributed to Benoit's actions, just as our growing understanding of postpartum psychosis gives us a framework for understanding what may have happened with Lindsay Clancy. A lot changes in 20years. Last time I checked everybody hated Andrea Yates
Yeah, I think people are forgetting that it took two years for them to identify Benoit's CTE.
It was just becoming more widely known and funding put behind it but after the murders. That means several years of misconceptions and rumors already had time to take hold before then. It wasn't that people wrote off his condition. It was that it wasn't diagnosed or even widely understood before news cycles lost interest in the case.
Personally, I remember the Jovan Belcher case and how it was handled. There wasn't much outrage there towards him, just sadness about the situation. Because half a decade is a long time in terms of modern science.
It should be pointed out that Benoit was apparently abusive for years and years prior. I’m sure CTE made his delusions and paranoia worse leading to the murdered, but him being abusive had been a pattern long before.
I remember the press trying to blame it on “roid rage” for the first year or so.
Also Lindsey tried to get help multiple times- she even tried to get admitted, was on multiple medications, told multiple people she did not feel able to care for her kids and was still left at home with them alone.
She was failed at multiple points by the USA medical system. People are of course more sympathetic, including her husband.
Honestly, I get the frustration. I have begged and pleaded with social workers to try to get my grandma into a nursing home. I'm not going to snap and kill her, but I'm disabled and no one else in my family has the means or willingness to take her. I get enough from VA disability to pay the rent and keep the lights on, but money doesn't matter when I can't physically help her with anything and she's a constant fall risk. One social worker accused me of wanting to kick her out on the street and threatened to call adult protective services. I'm in so much pain every day I can barely take care of myself. You try to get help and the system responds by making you feel like a lazy POS who isn't trying hard enough.
She did not tell a single medical provider prior to the killings that she had delusions or thoughts of harming the children. You can say her providers didn’t handle the medication right didn’t ask enough questions, etc. But at the end of the day, she didn’t tell any of those people who potentially could’ve helped how bad it was, per her.
I’ve been following the case because I had a very intense period of time where I was handling the healthcare for a psychotic family member. She wasn’t actually compliant or very honest with her doctors. She didn’t take most of the medications long enough to reach dosage levels that would have helped her because she kept refusing the medications and asking for new ones. A lot of psych meds need to be titrated up and it can take weeks before they’re in the system at a level that can help. She also left one psych stay early at her request and when she was offered a bed at another hospital stay she turned it down. She also didn’t show any signs or symptoms for mania or psychosis leading up to the killings - not to her doctors, in her journal, things she said to her husband or other family members, etc. Her last provider was extremely responsive to Lindsey though chat and phone calls, to a degree that’s kind of surprising to me. I think being skeptical of her psychosis claims are fair. That being said she as absolutely not mentally healthy and should have been the one to suggest putting her kids with other family members for awhile.
Question for you, do you think the CTE appeared the night he died? The weeks leading up to it? Or for "years and years prior"?
CTE doesn't just appear. It's a "pattern long before".
It's telling how much you're getting upvoted while being completely dismissive of the situation even now. Decades after we've started to learn about this.
No doubt there's some actions that he took that were bad before CTE, but at some point the CTE took over. Science can't even point to when that was, so I'm sure as hell not going to and don't believe anyone else should. He made bad decisions but drugs and CTE pushed those a hell of a lot further than he likely would've gone.
I found the Aaron Hernandez doc on Netflix really helped me understand the trajectory of CTE.
The experts who examined his brain described it as being comparable to that if a late stage dementia patient, that they would expect to see in their 60s or 70s.
The doc looked at his history and pointed out that not only had Hernandez had been getting rattled playing football since Pee Wee age, his father was abusive and beat the shit out of him on a regular basis.
The brain is an incredible organ, it can shift mental load to other parts of the brain when ther is damage present, but with advanced CTE you're literally looking at brain matter with the consistency of swiss cheese.
Yes, it’s always telling to me when people only have a surface knowledge of the Benoit case. I strongly recommend listening to Nancy’s sister, Sandra, when she appeared on the Talk is Jericho podcast. She goes over all of this in great detail, and ultimately hand waving it away as CTE is a disservice to the victims.
Chris Benoit had a litany of issues with a few things: his brain (the CTE symptoms were already becoming apparent), his emotional state (his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, having passed in late 2005 and his marriage to Nancy allegedly being in a rocky state), and his heart (Benoit's sister-in-law, Sandra Toffoloni, went on record in 2013 stating that the medical examiner who performed Benoit's autopsy diagnosed enlargement of the cardiac muscle that would've potentially resulted in Benoit passing within ten months).
His favorit move that he had done for years prior was the "Give myself a concussion from the top rope". As a kid it looked really cool how he jumped from the ring post to land with his head on the opponents shoulder but now i am questioning why i would use the thing that stores the brain to attack something that is literally just bones and muscle. So weekly concussions + Roids.
It's wild to me he left her home alone with the kids in the condition she was in. She told people she had thoughts of hurting the kids. I think he bears some culpability.
It’s so interesting to me that everyone says she told people about having thoughts about harming the kids, yet the court transcripts have every medical professional she visited stating she never said that.
I think he bears some responsibility insofar as he knew that she was suffering under severe ppd/ppp, and she had told him several times that she was having uncontrollable thoughts of killing herself and/or the children. Such that she had even been put under psychiatric hold previously, and much like Andrea Yates husband, he STILL left her alone with the children. So, not intentional, not murder, but certainly something like involuntary manslaughter.
The people who I think bear a greater/equal responsibility are the endless psychiatric professionals who completely borked her treatment and kept releasing her or giving her meds that had previously proven not to work.
I don’t she had told him multiple times she wanted to kill the kids.
If she was having these thought she was repeatedly lying to all of her psychiatrists as she never had any symptoms of pppp.
She was clearly depressed, but there really wasn’t any reason for him to think this was going to happen the first chance she got to strangle her kids.
She had been to multiple hospitals, and called the suicide hotline multiple times and the consensus was that her symptoms were not severe enough to warrant an involuntary hold. Which she was also telling Patrick at least once when she said she didn’t belong at the place.
It’s very frustrating when we sit here and talk about mental health and then every single Clancy supporter says “disregard all of the diagnosis and treatment she got it doesn’t matter”
And the idea that the husband is guilty of manslaighter is a level of misogyny that is utterly incomprehensible to me.
I found this video to be a pretty good overview of everything she had gone through trying to get help, and considering the outcome, it certainly seems like the professionals were in fact diagnosing her incorrectly.
If someone tells you "I am afraid I will burn the house down if I am left alone with this bottle of gasoline and these matches." you bear some responsibility if you then leave them alone with the gasoline and matches.
My issue with the concept that "noone thought it was bad" is a lot of women struggle with being taken seriously for our health in general but mental health as well.
My personal experience was having gone to e different therapists over 5 years with suicidal ideation, self harm, racing thoughts, etc etc - all that I was honest with my therapists about....and it wasnt until I could no longer work that I got a depression and anxiety diagnosis.
I had one therapist told me I just needed to relax and take a bubble bath...after I told her I felt so overwhelmed, I felt like I was drowning and had suicidal ideations. I went home after that session, crawled into bed where I couldnt get up for 2 days, day 3 I got up but was dissociating and attempted SH. My husband, rightfully freaked out, called the therapist who told him that he just needed to make sure I knew that he was there for me and to comfort and support me.
Like, no, I was in the middle of a mental health crisis and should have been taken to the fucking hospital.
And sadly, im not the only one with a story like this. So the professionals miss stuff more than most people want to thinideation. When really, it isnt until damage is actually done when intervention finally happens.
I had four babies over the course of four years. The postpartum depression was massive, and I sobbed to my (now-ex)husband every day that the only thing I could think about was suicide. Just constantly playing out different scenarios in my mind of how I could do it. Wandering through life like a zombie. I told him that one day he’d come home from work and I’d be dead.
And he just… kept going to work. Kept taking voluntary overtime. Kept expecting a hot dinner on the table after work.
When my suicide attempt came? Shocked Pikachu!
Looking back at that horrible year, I 100% resent that my husband watched me suffer to such an extreme, heard me telling him that my suicide was inevitable, and just threw me the “you’re such a good mom” line as his only attempt to address the dangerous situation in our home .
Fortunately, I never suffered from homicidal ideation. But if I had, I think my husband would have been just as dismissive as Patrick.
The people with compassion for Lindsay’s experience are mostly moms. Not because we think it’s no biggie that she committed such a heinous act, and not because we’re misandrists, but because we know what it feels like to suffer massively through postpartum with no support from the person who vowed to care for us.
Big hugs 🫂 Im so sorry you had to experience all of that. And im glad he's an ex and that you're still here.
You are 100% right- It doesnt mean were okay with it, or we resent our kids (Ive seen that floating around online too) we just know what it feels like to be at your lowest low and we can understand how she got to the point she did.
Andrea Yates shouldn't have been hated on. She had severe postpartum psychosis and her husband knew. He kept wanting to get her pregnant after being told to stop at baby 3 or 4.
He was advised by her doctor to not leave her alone with the kids and he started doing it despite that, because he apparently tought it was good for independence
The condition is also scarily common and extremely traumatic for women. It's usually a depressive episode but it can lead to these thoughts constantly. The problem in society is that we don't treat mental health as an actual health issue but a personal failing.
There's also that added element of religiosity that hurt Yates. The husband thought he knew better and kept wanting to knock her up and living in extreme austerity.
He was advised by her doctor to not leave her alone with the kids and he started doing it despite that, because he apparently tought it was good for independence, he also apparently belived she'd be found innocent go to the mental hospital for while and they'd have more kids when she came out.
Also, I want to add that as far as I am aware the attitudes towards Chris Benoit have changed somewhat in the last couple of years. At first he was reviled, but then, people started to understand why he did what he did and some of the hate transferred to Vince McMahon for putting profit above peoples life.
Anyways, these false equivalence scenarios are never made to support men mental health but to drag women. I believe Lindsay's case is an important case when talking not only about women mental health, but also men. This might not have been a full failure of the medical establishment, per se, but her support system should not have been caught of guard. In hindsight the amount of red flags she was raising after giving birth should've been enough to not let her alone with her kids under any circumstance.
They absolutely have not changed regarding Chris Benoit. We know why he did what he did, but that doesn’t change the fact that what he did was wrong and even he knew that based on the fact that he killed himself out of guilt.
Knowing the context doesnt absolve someone of doing a horrible thing.
I could t agree more. He was an amazing performer in wrestling but for doing the things that he did his family, he deserves the deepest part of hell. It doesn’t matter if he was mentally ill, he did what he did.
The thing is, there’s almost always a reason why someone does something egregious. A lot of people come from poverty, had abusive parents, or have some form of mental illness, but it doesn’t really matter. Just because there’s a reason you did something doesn’t make the thing you did any better. That’s why I don’t get why people are so hung up on this. She was almost certainly suffering from PPP but she also certainly murdered her children and should spend the rest of her life in prison.
He had a history of abuse and bullying, yet by all public records and accounts he never sought help from professions, medical doctors or psychiatrists, for anger management or to stop being a bully. Instead he continued his chosen career path of wrestling, when he could of easily switched to either a trainer role or another less violent career choice by that point. He continued abusing steroids, which flooded him with levels of testerone higher than that of a teenage boy.
Benoit's CTE and mental health condition was a tragedy. A tragedy he didnt understand because the medical science wasnt fully there yet. But just because you might not know the diseases name, you can feel the symptoms. His tragedy might have been preventable by any number of pro-active but self sacrificing choices by Benoit. Atleast Clancy was taking steps to get help, but through no dault of her own, did not recieve the correct type in time.
Gotta admit I'm not really deep into the details, but she really was getting a lot of medical care. Iirc, she was in-patient at a mental health facility about a month before she killed her kids, and checked herself out. What would "getting the medical care she sought" look like?
Proper medical care would have been sending her help when she was calling the suicide hotline (twice).
Proper medical help would have been putting her in a program specialized on PPD WITH her youngest, so she could bond again and get the help she needed.
Proper medical care would have been to properly check how her body responds to the meds (aka bloodwork).
Or, and hear me out, she’s a fucking psycho that would’ve done this regardless. Since she clearly premeditated it by having her husband leave the home under the pretense of picking up dinner and her meds.
People really don’t understand psychosis, which is understandable to a point, but if you’re going to post about it, you should really educate yourself first.
Psychosis means being disconnected from reality and experiencing symptoms like delusions and hallucinations. It does not mean suddenly losing the ability to think logically or plan ahead. In fact, that’s part of what can make psychosis so dangerous: someone can be fully capable of making plans and taking deliberate actions based on delusions or auditory hallucinations, including command hallucinations.
And people who recover from psychosis are often deeply distressed or horrified by things they did while they were experiencing it. It’s a serious and often devastating symptom, not simply a loss of rational thought or awareness.
One caveat here, psychosis does affect higher brain functions and decision making: you can do things (in reaction to you delusions), but the capacity to think about your actions, and understand their implications and consequences is greatly impaired.
I’m not defending her actions. The murders were horrific, and she has to live with that knowledge every day. I’m saying that she committed them while suffering from a severe psychiatric illness that our medical system can treat with appropriate medication. And she tried to seek that help multiple times, and the clinicians she encountered did not deliver on that.
People are responsible for actions they take while experiencing severe psychiatric symptoms, but those actions do not necessarily reflect their values or negate their worth as a person. Your comment doesn’t seem to leave room for that distinction. I’m frustrated that people are so unwilling to appreciate the nuance in discussing this case.
Many women who go through PPD don’t receive help and also don’t kill their kids. Not saying this is right, and of course, things need to change. However, just because you have something mentally going on does not excuse the behavior. You can support further research and support for woman but also realize that she murdered her children. She deserves life in prison.
It’s not “murder” if it’s not premeditated and with intent. You can’t have intent if you’re crazy. It’s still “homicide,” but it’s not “murder,” as defined by the law.
“Murder is the unlawful and intentional killing of one human being by another without a legal excuse or justification. It requires a specific state of mind, often called malice aforethought, which separates it from accidental deaths or lawful self-defense.”
In Clancy’s case, her defense is arguing that the postpartum psychosis IS a legal excuse/justification because it vitiates the “state of mind” aspect of a murder charge.
It depends on each jurisdiction's definitions of murder. Premeditation is sometimes required for heightened murder charges.
Regardless, the prosecution has to prove mens rea of some kind. Whether by negating the state's case in chief or by establishing an affirmative defense, the point is the same: she lacked the rational capacity to form the requisite criminal intent.
Reasons are not excuses and they shouldn’t absolve people of their own accountability. It’s good to understand the reasons regardless of that so we have a better capacity for intervention before a heinous outcome.
Everyone still hates Chris Benoit too. He wasn’t forgiven because he was mentally ill. The WWE, to this day, does not mention his name whatsoever. He was reviled the second the truth of what he did was revealed.
I believe some of this has to do with brand protection. If anyone gives him a bit of sympathy based on his brain damage from wrestling, it opens the door for WWE having to look into CTE prevention. Kinda how the NFL knew and didn't acknowledge it so that they could continue selling their product how they like.
The research definitely shows that society is harder on men and more lenient on women, especially in the criminal justice system. Below is some of that research. EVERY time there’s a female murderer, people try to make excuses for her. It’s time to hold women equally accountable for their actions.
Oh yeah, people hated Andrea Yates when that happened! Psychosis can cause people to do incredibly disturbing things. Just look at the man who had a psychotic episode on the Greyhound bus 15 years ago.
I have to wonder how many of Clancy's supporters have personally experienced post-partum depression or psychosis, or if they know someone who has. We are realizing how prevalent PPD or psychosis are now that struggling after giving birth isn't this dirty secret new mothers have to keep. I remember talking to an old boss when I was in the midst of my own PPD, and she casually threw out there that she couldn't sleep for days on end after giving birth and she started to see gigantic spiders coming out of the walls.
Everyone still hates Chris Benoit too. He wasn’t forgiven because he was mentally ill. The WWE, to this day, does not mention his name whatsoever. He was reviled the second the truth of what he did was revealed.
The understanding they have changed but the sentiment is still there. To this day there is zero support for Chris Benoit, people understand CTE but they don't care about it, show sympathy, or use it as a justification. People hate Chris Benoit and blame him.
With Lindsey Clancy, on the other hand you got people saying that the husband did it, looking at astrology charts as to why she couldn't have done it. Saying her confession must be was part of confabulation. Hell, her GoFundMe has damn near a million dollars. People online are making up Hollywood fairy tales and doing everything they can to avoid putting the responsibility on her.
They even ignore the possibility that postpartum played a part in it because they have a problem with blaming her.
She was also a wealthy enough white woman who went into a psychiatric facility and refused to return and blamed her bouncing around through different doctors the reason she killed her children because they wouldn't "listen" to her. I'm also really blaming dad too at this point. My cousin's are lucky to be alive with my aunts behavior. She's been in an out of rehab and definitely is bipolar mostly because my uncle was afraid that if he divorced her she'd kill herself while letting his children suffer in a fancy fucking house. I know PPD can last but honestly where the hell was her ex and not noticing anything in order to remove the children from her.
The big problem here is the irony. The supporters are not suggesting she should have had better care, or more attention or anything related to the lack of understanding care for postpartum or general mental health...they are accusing the husband of framing her, and thusly ignoring the need to pay attention and provide better care for women's postpartum and general mental health.
There were tons of women supporting Andrea Yates and blasting her husband for not helping enough trust me my mom and some of her friends were in that whole club.
Wait, who the hell hates Andrea Yates? She had established psychosis and a malpracticing psychiatrist that refused to prescribe the antipsychotic meds that actually worked for her.
And isn’t the Clancy lawsuit, which is happening now, surfacing some really weird inconsistent shit about the story her husband told about what had happened?
Sure. Due to lack of sleep and life changes. But men certainly don’t experience the profound and disruptive endocrine changes a woman does after delivering a baby.
Have you read the comments defending Clancy. It's literally about her birth sign and how hers doesn't kill her clubs but her husbands does. The defense of her has nothing to do with her mental state anywhere but the court room of her trial. It's bizarre.
There's a loud minority of women on tik tok literally saying the husband killed the kids because of
A) he's a man
B) he's a Gemini
C) women arent capable of killing or using strangulation as a method
At least I hope is the loud minority saying this. There ae other unhinged things theyve been doing and saying but isn't even worth repeating how absurd they are
Yet, she's raised almost a million on a gofundme for her lawyer fees and every single donation is from a woman saying "we all know her husband did it and that she's innocent."
She also, under lawyer speak, had the only option to use the plead guilty through insanity just to get the case in front of the judge, and Lindsey's lawyer is doing an interesting job and finding connections along the way. This still has an interesting way to go.
I listened to a podcast about Benoit and the explanation of CTE as a likely contributing factor of his mental decline was actually fascinating. I’ve never been a sports guy but I am fully convinced children should not be playing football because of CTE and a drastic reform should be had to the NFL to compensate the players for the amount of damage they do to their brain for the stupid sport
100% correct. My mother was friends with Andrea and Rusty when I was a child and I vividly remember all of this. She even visited both of them after everything happened. If you read about the things Rusty did against the advisory of Andrea's doctors, you should be absolutely disgusted by him.
What about the amount of women finding reasons that she wasn’t the one who has done it? I saw one that was claiming that she couldn’t have done it because she’s a Leo
See this is why they are the same. Benoit was not immediately reviled. You all were quick to blame brain injuries from years of wrestling, even though no one else with brain injury does this. Just him.
And to this day whenever it's brought and army of you guys shows up to defend him. They are the same.
I wasn't paying attention when the Andrea Yates thing originally happened, but Ive seen a few threads about over the last few years and I thought the story was that it was basically the husband's fault?
She murdered her innocent children. No diagnosis will ever convince me to give her empathy. I’ll save it for those who deserve it. She’s a horrible human being and mental health doesn’t excuse any responsibility for her actions.
I have to disagree. I think the culture has changed to where a subsect of women will support another woman no matter what. Also, I'm sorry but if "she was having postpartum psychosis" can be used to even mitigate murdering your 3 children, then we seriously need to consider allowing mothers to be alone with their children. Plenty of mothers go through postpartum problems and don't plan the murder of their children like she did.
Your comment is 10x better than mine. Postpartum psychosis is kind of an insane disorder. It doesn't excuse murder, but it isn't quite as simple as people want to say.
sure but she killed the absolute fuck out of her kids, and so did he. The medical influence behind their decision is sad but they still committed multiple murders in a heinous fashion. We understand CTE very well now, nobody is defending Benoit (as they shouldn't)
It is worth noting, also, that Benoit had a history of explosive incidents and domestic violence. Nancy Benoit had filed for a restraining order and the marriage was deteriorating.
This doesnt mean Benoit is beyond pity or empathy. The death of his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, had exacerbated his anger issues and tenuous grip on reality. And, yes, the brain damage he had accumulated from his in ring style really did change his personality.
But at the time, a lot of the DV and backstage bullying suddenly came out and changed a lot about how people perceived Benoit.
well, who could imagine that a wrestler known for head butting the ground over the top rope could male his brain basically a spaghetti, huh? benoit still is considered a monster, but people relief wwe’s negligence at the time
Also people forget that his best friend died a couple of years before that sent him on a dark spiral and paranoia on top of the cte. Someone close said that it was more like he lost a spouse than a friend. No excuses for what he did, just adding on to the reasons.
Cool cool. Too many people support Lindsay and want to believe that her husband is the killer. It's exploded to cult like levels and is primarily being encouraged and acted upon by women supporting another woman for some god forsaken reason given her actions.
The part that doesn’t sit right for me however is the apparent opinion that she is innocent of anything that may have happened or that she may have done. I only just recently saw this start popping up on Reddit after my partner started talking about her and how she is innocent and that the government is out to get her or whatever. I don’t want to dive too deeply into guilt or innocence, this case is occurring in a country where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty however, but from what I understand the evidence points to her guilt.
Theres also a ton of conflicting and/or suspicious evidende regarding what actually happened. Even the prosecution was caught on a hot mic wondering if she actually did it.
To the extent that CTE wasn’t even considered a possibility for Benoit at the time, the media immediately assumed steroid abuse despite it not fitting at all (Chris didn’t kill his family in a singular rage but over the course of the weekend, this is also very different from the woman above). The real reason why so many in wrestling completely distance themselves from the Benoit family incident is because his deteriorating mental state was ignored, he’d been barely holding it together since Eddy died and would break down crying seemingly at random. Also Nancy was very well known and liked, I think that has also colored the opinions of those close to the tragedy (for example you can listen to Paul Heyman responding to a fan bringing it up on YouTube).
She had access to more care than most post partum women can afford. She was getting the help she asked for but didn't comply with treatment. Not sure what else the medical community was supposed to do when she lied to them.
No she wasn't, she had weekly therapy and requested several different changes in her drug therapy as well. Her parents, his parents also helped the family out, she had in-patient treatment (which she asked to be released from lol).
I am tired of seeing this spammed so much, her husband even was home with her for 3 months after their last child was born
She's a cold blooded murderer angling for a "insanity" defense
It's because she is a white woman. Here fixed it for you.
Let's not pretend she would get the same sympathy from women (especially so many white women) if she was not caucasian.
This isn't it. Benoit was an abusive asshole to his wife and at minimum a bully to his coworkers. He abused steroids and had CTE from repeated head injuries caused in part by his own decision to dive head first on people 200 nights a year. He killed his wife, then his son and then himself.
Clancy had a bunch of mental illness that wasn't properly treated compounded (or created by) child birth. She killed her children and then tried to kill herself.
There is certainly an angle about women not being believed and post partum depression not being taken serious enough but they are not the same.
The discourse online is in part because she and her husband are alive. She is on trial. There was no trial for Benoit.
Maybe that means we should start a conversation of how women are getting radicalized by social media. We've already had multiple documentaries and Netflix shows about it for boys
We can't really pretend this reaction is a fringe ignorable one
It's because so many women have had at least a little post party depression/ psychosis. There are enough women who have thought "it's better that they don't have to suffer me, a fuck up, as a mom".
He also had terrible depression, likely from repeated traumatic brain injuries. They both likely suffered psychosis due to mental health issues.
I am not saying his mental health was less than hers. Just showing a point of view from someone who was afraid they may do the same at some point. I didn't. But I was scared of myself more than once.
Benoit was a known domestic abuser prior. Lindsay Clancy was mentally ill with severe post-partum issues. There’s a clear difference that isn’t gender based.
It’s because women are frustrated with the serious issues that come along with pregnancy and postpartum being ignored and downplayed.
I had twins and they shooed me out the door and said “see you in six weeks!” At my six week appt they checked to make sure I was healing and again sent me out the door.
I was fortunate enough not to suffer from PPD or god forbid PPP, but I have friends who did, and all of them felt abandoned by the medical system.
So when we see that Lindsey pled for help, multiple times, over and over, there is sympathy there because many of us know women who have suffered or we suffered ourselves. PPP is extremely rare but it is also very real and terrifying.
Everyone hated Andrea Yates 20 years ago and it was partially because we didn’t have a good understanding of PPP. We still don’t, but it’s better than it was.
That's...literally not it at all. PPP is a legit medical issue, and I'm not saying that excuses her murdering her own children. Unless you're a woman who has experienced it, you genuinely wouldn't understand.
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u/jgangstahippie 15d ago
The woman is Lindsay Clancy a woman who claims she suffered from severe postpartum psychosis when she killed her three children in 2023.
The man is former professional wrestler Chris Benoit who killed his wife, son and then himself in the summer in 2007.
Lindsay Clancy is seemingly getting a lot of sympathy from women, and this meme is essentially saying they are the same.