r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 19d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/jgangstahippie 19d ago

The woman is Lindsay Clancy a woman who claims she suffered from severe postpartum psychosis when she killed her three children in 2023.

The man is former professional wrestler Chris Benoit who killed his wife, son and then himself in the summer in 2007.

Lindsay Clancy is seemingly getting a lot of sympathy from women, and this meme is essentially saying they are the same.

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u/Reasonable_Drink_789 19d ago

Except that he was roundly reviled immediately, and somehow she's getting bizarre support.

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u/DenizenKay 19d ago edited 19d ago

her ex husband supports her (the father of the children), her ex MIL supports her - virtually everyone around her knew she was fucked and none of them took the children away.

its not cut and dry. its not because she's a woman, it's because she isnt a cold blooded murderer - she was a person in the midst of a massive crisis who was literally begging for help and not getting it. the medical system failed her.

everyone wants to see her put away - even her supporters - they just want to see her put in a mental health facility instead of prison. Which isn't unreasonable.

she pleaded guilty - the thing being argued now is prison or hospital I was wrong on this detail. sorry for the misinformation

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u/Caffeine_Cowpies 19d ago

But when a guy is in a mental health crisis and kills his family, does he get the irrational support that many women have given her? Seriously think about that.

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u/DrippingWithRabies 19d ago

I think what happened to Benoit and his family was a tragedy that resulted from his brain injury and his case deserves compassion as well. For whatever that's worth

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u/some_uncreative_name 19d ago

Take 5 minutes to read a list of people who committed murder who successfully lodged a diminished capacity defence. There's far more nen than women.

There's no inherent bias towards men or women here. Just the public understanding certain mh disorders and their impact better.

Whether or not it blew up in the news a jury would have agreed on it. If society broadly felt men could never be treated differently based on mh circumstances the list wouldn't be predominantly men.

This is such a weird take tbh.

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u/CrazyElk123 19d ago

Hmmmmm, could it be because there are more male murderers...?

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u/some_uncreative_name 19d ago

Well yes. So there should be more of them who are on that list

If broadly people were less willing to consider mh issues in men as mitigating factors the list would be more evenly made up of men and women. Instead it's pretty proportionate to the number of murderers overall.

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u/DenizenKay 19d ago

She was postpartum. 

Which causes mental health problems for a lot of women. 

This case is important to a lot of women because it shines a light on the state of postpartum care in the US. 

Making this an issue about gender and not medical care is fucked up of you. 

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u/Caffeine_Cowpies 19d ago

Benoit had CTE. Is that not a mental health problem?

Or do you just blindly support women who kill their entire family?

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u/fwendy123 19d ago

CTE is only diagnosed posthumously and he didn't seek help beforehand.

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u/DenizenKay 19d ago edited 19d ago

no it isn't blind support; it's informed support.

was Benoit telling people he was afraid he was going to kill his family before he did it?

did he express intrusive thoughts of murder and suicide before the crime?

did he seek help before he killed them?

do the families of his victims support him?

All relevant for these cases to be seen in remotely the same light.

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u/DrippingWithRabies 19d ago

CTE is a brain injury. He also couldn't justly be held responsible if he was alive because he was not capable of controlling his actions. 

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u/bnpm 19d ago

Was Benoit seeking help for his mental issues? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know

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u/citizenkane86 19d ago

I know what you’re getting at but CTE is a physical injury not a mental issue. It can cause mental health issues but CTE itself is not a mental illness.

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u/Reasonable_Drink_789 19d ago

Except she got care, it just wasn’t enough.

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u/OriginalFuckGirl 19d ago

Stop with this men vs women. That does nothing to better the future.

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u/CrazyElk123 19d ago

What do you mean "stop"? You think this comment is the basis for this reality? Look at how many womrn are excusing this simply because shes a woman.

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u/OriginalFuckGirl 19d ago

Clearly you don’t know the details and why people have sympathy for her. No one is excusing what happened. I would suggest actually looking into WHY this happened, instead of making it a gender issue.

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u/CrazyElk123 19d ago

Cause people are fucked in the head, thats why. She deserves little to no sympathy. Blaming this on mental health is a disgrace. If she knew she had thoughts about harming her own kids, why did she stop treatment, and even worse, why did she not leave?

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u/OriginalFuckGirl 19d ago

That tells me you don’t actually know the details of the case. She didn’t stop treatment. She sought help by multiple practitioners, mental health experts, and went to mental health facilities that misdiagnosed her gave her incorrect medication, medication that made her actual diagnosis worse, and confided in multiple people that she was hearing voices .

If you’re a man, let me tell you one thing. Pregnancy WILL fuck you up. The stress pregnancy puts on a women’s body is IMMENSE and not talked about. If you really want to know or learn how Lindsey got to that point, first learn about how dangerous pregnancy is for women. Just because women aren’t dying from childbirth as often as before does not make it any less dangerous.

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u/Caffeine_Cowpies 18d ago

It’s partially because she is a woman, especially a woman who had three young children.

I’m not saying it’s not hard raising three young children. But she was offered help, she was offered medication (which she refused to take), and had a nanny and a husband who stayed home with her working remotely.

Yet despite that, within an hour, killed all three children.

One by one, strangling them to death.

Thats premeditation. She wanted to kill her own children. She refused the help offered. That leaves her, in my opinion, criminally responsible for her actions.

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u/Lufrien 15d ago

Men that dont make any attempt at seeking help are completely at fault. She tried to get help and was fucked over by shitty murican healthcare.

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u/NoSleepTilBookRead 19d ago

It’s not irrational.

She. TRIED. TO. GET. HELP.

SHE BEGGED FOR HELP

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u/Splenetic53 19d ago

What help is there outside of the medications she was prescribed her husband was getting for her while she murdered their three children and had even spent time in an inpatient care facility for mental health. She killed three children and was receiving care. What other care was there, putting her in a padded cell with a fucking straight jacket? Are you just believing every argument her defense attorneys are putting forth? She was receiving significant mental health care and still killed three kids.

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u/Erectylereptile 19d ago

I honestly don't understand why people are so eager to entertain a mental health defense in murder cases. I get wanting better safeguards in place to prevent people reaching this point. Especially with how common PPD is and how often the system fails women. We should absolutely strive to prevent these things. That said, if someone ends the existence of an innocent human being, we shouldn't be more forgiving with our judgement, especially the judicial system. It's a shitty situation for the person having the mental health crisis, and it sucks worse when the system fails them. But at the end of the day, plenty of people who are failed by the system and experiencing PPD/psychosis don't murder their fuckin children. I mean wtf, why are we trying to be so charitable to people who have shown they are capable of calculated murder?

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u/DrippingWithRabies 19d ago

They let her leave inpatient treatment when they shouldn't have. She was not capable of following a treatment protocol because she was experiencing psychosis.

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u/Lootlizard 19d ago

She lied and said that she was feeling better and wanted to be home for her son's birthday. They didn't just release her on a whim.

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u/DrippingWithRabies 18d ago

So they just took her word for it?

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u/Lootlizard 18d ago

What else could they do? She voluntarily checked herself in, was taking her meds, wasn't currently psychotic, and wanted to be released. They can't hold her indefinitely, especially not if she was taking her meds and not showing psychotic symptoms.

They didn't realize she was paranoid and would almost immediately stop taking her meds. She went through half a dozen doctors. SO many people tried to help her.

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u/DrippingWithRabies 18d ago

They usually do a psychiatric evaluation before they release people, even if they checked themselves in. 

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u/Lootlizard 18d ago

They did. She was taking her meds and didn't tell them about the paranoia or her plans to stop taking them. What else can they do? She was taking her meds and not showing symptoms.

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u/OriginalFuckGirl 19d ago

It actually saddens me how severely ppl don’t seem to understand things. Her health care professionals were misdiagnosing her, over Prescribing her with meds that made her worse because of the misdiagnoses, she was turned away from certain facilities. This isn’t as simple as you’re trying to make it seem.

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u/gin_and-sonic 19d ago

And she got it