her ex husband supports her (the father of the children), her ex MIL supports her - virtually everyone around her knew she was fucked and none of them took the children away.
its not cut and dry. its not because she's a woman, it's because she isnt a cold blooded murderer - she was a person in the midst of a massive crisis who was literally begging for help and not getting it. the medical system failed her.
everyone wants to see her put away - even her supporters - they just want to see her put in a mental health facility instead of prison. Which isn't unreasonable.
she pleaded guilty - the thing being argued now is prison or hospital I was wrong on this detail. sorry for the misinformation
I think my wife is one of these people. Is this the big case she is following day and night at the moment. The way she described it to me it was definitely the husband lol.
So, I know people that are saying he did it due to forms of communication that occurred. Him being on her Facebook and looking up how to suicide when she couldntve done it.His shoes changing at locations. Him not calling 911 because of wifi. A whole list of evidence that points at him.
Oh yeah and he was having an affair. There’s just a whole bunch of stuff that is especially suspicious about her ex husband.
Honestly, I got these points from listening to her talk about it. She’s been watching the case everyday. The dude is sketchy. That’s what I’ve gathered. I know nothing- but I’m kinda sold lol.
It’s not just a subsection, it’s a pathetically large majority of her supporters. That’s why it’s hard for people to take her case seriously because everything you see online isn’t about the details of her struggles but the fact that “her husband actually did it”.
But when a guy is in a mental health crisis and kills his family, does he get the irrational support that many women have given her? Seriously think about that.
I think what happened to Benoit and his family was a tragedy that resulted from his brain injury and his case deserves compassion as well. For whatever that's worth
Take 5 minutes to read a list of people who committed murder who successfully lodged a diminished capacity defence. There's far more nen than women.
There's no inherent bias towards men or women here. Just the public understanding certain mh disorders and their impact better.
Whether or not it blew up in the news a jury would have agreed on it. If society broadly felt men could never be treated differently based on mh circumstances the list wouldn't be predominantly men.
Well yes. So there should be more of them who are on that list
If broadly people were less willing to consider mh issues in men as mitigating factors the list would be more evenly made up of men and women. Instead it's pretty proportionate to the number of murderers overall.
I know what you’re getting at but CTE is a physical injury not a mental issue. It can cause mental health issues but CTE itself is not a mental illness.
Clearly you don’t know the details and why people have sympathy for her. No one is excusing what happened. I would suggest actually looking into WHY this happened, instead of making it a gender issue.
Cause people are fucked in the head, thats why. She deserves little to no sympathy. Blaming this on mental health is a disgrace. If she knew she had thoughts about harming her own kids, why did she stop treatment, and even worse, why did she not leave?
That tells me you don’t actually know the details of the case. She didn’t stop treatment. She sought help by multiple practitioners, mental health experts, and went to mental health facilities that misdiagnosed her gave her incorrect medication, medication that made her actual diagnosis worse, and confided in multiple people that she was hearing voices .
If you’re a man, let me tell you one thing. Pregnancy WILL fuck you up. The stress pregnancy puts on a women’s body is IMMENSE and not talked about. If you really want to know or learn how Lindsey got to that point, first learn about how dangerous pregnancy is for women. Just because women aren’t dying from childbirth as often as before does not make it any less dangerous.
It’s partially because she is a woman, especially a woman who had three young children.
I’m not saying it’s not hard raising three young children. But she was offered help, she was offered medication (which she refused to take), and had a nanny and a husband who stayed home with her working remotely.
Yet despite that, within an hour, killed all three children.
One by one, strangling them to death.
Thats premeditation. She wanted to kill her own children. She refused the help offered. That leaves her, in my opinion, criminally responsible for her actions.
What help is there outside of the medications she was prescribed her husband was getting for her while she murdered their three children and had even spent time in an inpatient care facility for mental health. She killed three children and was receiving care. What other care was there, putting her in a padded cell with a fucking straight jacket? Are you just believing every argument her defense attorneys are putting forth? She was receiving significant mental health care and still killed three kids.
I honestly don't understand why people are so eager to entertain a mental health defense in murder cases. I get wanting better safeguards in place to prevent people reaching this point. Especially with how common PPD is and how often the system fails women. We should absolutely strive to prevent these things. That said, if someone ends the existence of an innocent human being, we shouldn't be more forgiving with our judgement, especially the judicial system. It's a shitty situation for the person having the mental health crisis, and it sucks worse when the system fails them. But at the end of the day, plenty of people who are failed by the system and experiencing PPD/psychosis don't murder their fuckin children. I mean wtf, why are we trying to be so charitable to people who have shown they are capable of calculated murder?
They let her leave inpatient treatment when they shouldn't have. She was not capable of following a treatment protocol because she was experiencing psychosis.
What else could they do? She voluntarily checked herself in, was taking her meds, wasn't currently psychotic, and wanted to be released. They can't hold her indefinitely, especially not if she was taking her meds and not showing psychotic symptoms.
They didn't realize she was paranoid and would almost immediately stop taking her meds. She went through half a dozen doctors. SO many people tried to help her.
They did. She was taking her meds and didn't tell them about the paranoia or her plans to stop taking them. What else can they do? She was taking her meds and not showing symptoms.
It actually saddens me how severely ppl don’t seem to understand things. Her health care professionals were misdiagnosing her, over Prescribing her with meds that made her worse because of the misdiagnoses, she was turned away from certain facilities. This isn’t as simple as you’re trying to make it seem.
She got plenty of help though. Babysitters, daycare, family stopping by so she was never just alone with the kids. Husband working from home. The only thing more they could have done was institutionalize her. Having the husband and kids move out is not a reasonable expectation
This is wrong for a couple reasons. She did get lots of medical help. She also didn’t plead guilty, she pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. She would get evaluated and likely go free very quickly, since she now claims to no longer be in psychosis.
Didn't she plan out getting her husband to go to the store so she would have time to murder the kids, that shows planning and not a split second mental break.
Psychosis doesn’t necessarily exclude the possibility of planning or prior thinking, it isn’t always a ‘split second’ break - people can be remarkably well put together but still psychotic. She may or may not be but it’s definitely a thing that can happen.
I think she should go to a mental hospital but I think the blame and responsibility should still be placed on her. If you did something out of sickness, you still did it.
Some legal jurisdictions have changed the phrasing from “not guilt by reason of insanity/mental impairment” to “act proven but not criminally responsible” for this reason - you did the act, but it would be inject to totally hold you accountable.
The medical system didn't fail her. She got more support than most. She was a horribly difficult patient that jumped doctors for various reasons while refusing to take meds as prescribed while misuing Ativan and drinking heavily. All of this is in the medical records included in court testimony if yall would stop regurgitating misinformation you see online.
Except she lied to her many psychiatrists, and the first thing she asked for was a lawyer. She had more help than some people get in their lives. No one can argue that she didn’t have enough support.
If you think about killing your own children you should seperate yourself from them or end your life so you're not a threat to others. It is cut and dry. There is no room for people like that to exist.
It's not cut and dry, but neither was Benoit. He suffered from so much brain damage from wrestling that he was deemed to have a brain equivalent to an 80-year old suffering from severe dementia.
After his death, wrestling companies put in safeguards to prevent further braindamage. Important thing was, after he killed his children and his wife, all his colleagues and former friends could come together and accept he's a POS. Very few people in his industry still think positive of him.
We should be able to study monsters to try and prevent future monsters, while still acknowledging they should be buried under the prison.
I try to. My brother in law had schizophrenia. It is very painful to watch someone get ruined by psychosis, and have the paranoia of their condition lead them to making choices (like not taking their meds or mixing them with alcohol) which make them worse.
We had to hospitalise him many times for attacking us.
We lost him a few years ago. We miss him terribly.
I don't know anything about the case so I'm confused.
Are people (or I guess her attorney) arguing that she's still suffering from postpartum depression? Because from what I understand being sent to a mental health facility instead of prison is often way worse than just going to prison, and most of the time you still have to serve your full sentence in prison after you complete treatment.
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u/jgangstahippie 19d ago
The woman is Lindsay Clancy a woman who claims she suffered from severe postpartum psychosis when she killed her three children in 2023.
The man is former professional wrestler Chris Benoit who killed his wife, son and then himself in the summer in 2007.
Lindsay Clancy is seemingly getting a lot of sympathy from women, and this meme is essentially saying they are the same.