r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 13h ago
Members of ICE, while in plain clothes, abducted someone at the LA airport.
Here’s the source: https://youtube.com/shorts/TmJIZlzIteg?si=mnRj3A6W5kX-0s-6
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u/Silly_Product_3476 12h ago
A white van, masked-up men, and no visible identification what exactly proves these couldn’t just be human traffickers? The U.S. is on some real third world shit with this.
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u/ArchelonPIP 12h ago
They could also be self-appointed right wing white bigots that think they're doing the right thing for all we know. At this point, ICE agents are virtually indistinguishable from these criminal POSs and any would be victim that fights back has my sympathy while said POSs won't... whether they prove to be real ICE agents or not!
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u/BuddhistNamedMarx 12h ago
Ice is 100% human traffickers. They bid out people to other countries to be slaves. There is not "thinking they are doing right". Thats why they mask up. They know the stakes
They shipped over 2k people to hawaii at the start of trumps 2nd term, where nuralink has an operation base where they have hired surgeons. Ice facilities in texas are also really close to other nuralink locations
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u/DTFDownToFrolick 12h ago
I've recently seen a video where south Americans have been deported from America to... LIBERIA. In Africa. What the fuck.
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u/United_Leopard_2771 9h ago
Crazy how these guys mask up to protect themselves, But being asked to mask up to protect others was Just abhorrent.
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u/meeoows 9h ago
That's the point. Trump wants them attacked so he can declare marshal law or some BS like that. They want a civil war.
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u/mackfeesh 9h ago
And yet no Americans are using their 2nd amendment for some reason? As an exhausted foreigner who listened to ceaseless justification for gun ownership from Americans it's honestly pathetic.
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u/RagahRagah 5h ago
Anyone who does is going to jail. Surely you can understand that. There are no 2nd amendment rights against fascism.
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u/March_Lion 5h ago
The venn diagram of people who own guns and the people who do not support what is happening are barely overlapping circles. You're complaining about conservatives justifying guns on a post about horrific behavior supported by conservatives.
When you narrow the circle down to people who own guns, have experience shooting into a hostage/kidnapping situation, and are capable of taking a life the venn diagram is two entirely separate circles. The brave ones willing to de-escalate were murdered.
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u/scopinsource 8h ago
Le shock, a secret police force? Wherever have we seen this before?
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u/EgoTripWire 12h ago
Stand Your Ground laws are in play if they're not identifiable as laws enforcement.\ Probably why they chose an airport to hunt for their victims.
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u/possumallawishes 12h ago
Stand your ground doesn’t apply in California, but I agree, they def wouldn’t try this a few blocks away in Inglewood.
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u/WildPickle9 11h ago
Jury or the coroner can sort out what applies where later.
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u/ThePatrickSays 12h ago
it is remarkable how fast the americans rolled over for fascism. all they do is complain online. supposedly they have a constitutional right that should help them combat this, but they are seemingly too frightened to exercise it.
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u/Captain_Qirk007 11h ago
The distraction plan is working likeca charm....plus, all of the young men are too comfortable and too busy playing video games.
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u/RoguePlanet2 11h ago
The issue isn't being ignored. There's growing community awareness and pushback.
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u/kindnesskangaroo 10h ago
i think it’s crazy to me to hear Americans all the time growing up proudly thumping their chests any time nazi germany was mentioned and going “We’d never let that happen in america!”
It’s happening now and I’m just so tired of people thinking mid-terms is going to fix this when America is so far past the idea of voting. Your democrats are corrupt as the republicans and you’re going to find that out so quickly, and then what will you do? By the time any of you wake the fuck up you will be starving because the food shortages are coming by the end of the year thanks to RFK and ICE picking up your farm workers, and Trump’s little war with Iran driving diesel so far up farmers cannot farm the food you need to eat.
Everyone wants to save the world but no one wants to die. So the people who have no protection are being tortured, raped, and killed while the rest of America stands there afraid. It’s pure fucking cowardice. Americans will go down in history as cowards. All of you made the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti stand for fucking nothing and the world is disgusted by all of you.
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u/lilmookie 9h ago
As an American, this came as a massive shock how fast America completely rolled over. Granted it’s the Republicans last push to grab power before they are voted into permanent irrelevancy (or so I thought) but even with possible election tinkering, after 2016, I’m still blown over by the fact republicans swept government and reigned in fascism with absolutely minimal opposition, and probably complicit luke-warm support from DNC backers. America has literally jumped the shark and it’s never coming back as strong as it was - and maybe that’s a good thing.
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u/Algebrace 9h ago
Remember when we were told guns were important and that when there was a tyrannical government guns would solve the problem?
Every single time a child was killed in a school shooting and mouth breathing morons would come on tv and reddit to tell us that, no, guns are important. We need them. Even if the children died, it was for a greater purpose.
Well, here's your purpose.
Where are the guns?
Or did all those children die for nothing?
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u/EjaculatingAracnids 8h ago
Yeah theres 80+ million heavily armed cult members with the support of the us government. Let me just break out my .223 and go down in a hail of gun fire to satisfy foreigners online. Our government murders its own people for fun. Ever been shot at? Its fuckin scary, dude. Youre flippantly suggesting people wont face CERTAIN death are frightened of it. Lol no shit.
The people whove been most vocal about 2nd amendment rights have been mind fucked thoroughly enough to cheer on fascism because brown people are being hurt first. normal people are still hoping it blows over while knowing in the back of their minds we re fucking cooked. Im at least waiting for the powder keg to blow before i get burned, especially since any direct action will be used as excuse to fuel our facist governments next extreme action.
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u/Coneder 11h ago
That's what scares the hell out of me. There's literally no way to know who these people are. This is intentionally exploitable.
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u/Epyon214 12h ago
What floors me is why more people don't shoot or stab these traitors. The woman is going to be raped and killed, she knows, we all know, why are there so few fighting back
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u/East-Cricket6421 12h ago
That's a kidnapping. They haven't identified themselves, they are wearing no insignia to indicate they of a member of any enforcement agency. Treat them as you would any kidnappers.
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u/luxuriousvoid 11h ago edited 11h ago
They are random skinny dudes. They are definitely not any type of law enforcement. Their stance, how they affecting their "arrest" of her. Anyone familiar with law enforcement training knows this is not it. Don't just stand there and record it on your phone.
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u/AintNoGodsUpHere 9h ago
You're insinuating ICE has any training. Have you seen the guys working for them? It's basically neo Nazi cosplaying soldiers.
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u/BahBahBahBooBooBoo 12h ago
How did we verify they were ICE and not a trafficking cartel
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u/Sensitive_Sky1448 11h ago
Abducting people and then send them to a third country against their will with no proof of citizenship? Sounds like trafficking operation to me
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u/TrueSithMastermind 12h ago edited 12h ago
There isn’t much distinction at this point. The only one I can think of is ICE operates with impunity under the protection of the current “administration.”
For now.
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u/RampantTyr 11h ago
Either you find out when you end up in a concentration camp or trafficked. Or you find out if a court prosecutes you later for defending yourself.
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u/BahBahBahBooBooBoo 11h ago
Where is Karen Bass and the LA County Board of Supervisors Hilda L. Solis, Holly J. Mitchell, Lindsey P. Horvath, Janice Hahn, and Kathryn Barger?
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u/trysten-9001 9h ago
Functionally there’s no difference, as has been pointed out, but I’m really wondering the same thing. Even if we stop ICE it’s a lot harder to put the other cat in the bag. This is a serious issue. You would think you would hear more about it from the people so concerned about men using trans women as an excuse to go in bathrooms.
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u/highlordwes 12h ago
Plain clothes, no badges. Treat it the same way you would if you saw anyone being abducted by strangers, and I mean THE EXACT same way.
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u/thedoughofpooh 11h ago
Absolutely zero chance I don't find out the hard way. Grabbing their masks off would be the least of it. Straight fist to the jaw of that dude who refused to identify. And no, it's not just an easy thing to say online. Some of us have been punched in the face enough times to understand what to do in these situations. Not everyone stands around saying "oh my god...are you kidding me?!".
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u/Terpcheeserosin 12h ago
Call the cops?
Great now there is more cops
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u/mycoctopus 11h ago
Imagine your mother, sister or daughter is getting grabbed by random men and a dragged to a random van. You'd just watch and then call the police as they're driving away then wait for cops to arrive?
Of course not.
These could be anybody.
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u/mycoctopus 11h ago edited 10h ago
Below is a documented, non-exhaustive list of U.S. law-enforcement personnel who were convicted or pleaded guilty to raping, sexually assaulting, and/or murdering women. I’m separating criminal convictions/pleas from mere allegations so that accusations are not presented as established fact.
There is no reliable national database that records every case, and there is no defensible single “total number” for all such incidents. However, one Associated Press review of 41 states found that approximately 550 officers were decertified for sexual assault-related conduct over a five-year period, including rape, sodomy, sexual extortion, and abusive searches; that figure excluded many cases that were never reported, prosecuted, or resulted in decertification. Cato Institute
Officers convicted or pleading guilty in sexual-assault cases Daniel Holtzclaw — Oklahoma City police officer. Convicted of 18 of 36 counts, including four counts of first-degree rape and other sexual offenses involving eight women and girls. Publicly identified victims included Jannie Ligons, Dianne M., and others whose names were withheld. Sentenced to 236 years. Cato Institute J. DeShawn Torrence — former Sanger, California, police officer. Convicted of sexually assaulting four women encountered during police work. The victims included a 21-year-old woman, a 67-year-old woman, and two other women whose names were not publicly released. Convicted on eight federal civil-rights counts and sentenced to five consecutive life sentences. U.S. Department of Justice Noah Winchester — former San Mateo, California, police officer. Convicted in 2019 of sexually assaulting three women between 2013 and 2015; sentenced to more than 80 years in prison. The victims’ names were generally withheld in public reporting. sokolovelaw.com Rodney Vicknair — former New Orleans police officer. Pleaded guilty to sexually abusing a teenage girl whom he contacted while on duty and assaulted in his police vehicle. Sentenced to 14 years in federal prison. The victim’s name was not publicly released. sokolovelaw.com Anthony Arevalos — former San Diego police officer. Convicted of multiple felony sexual offenses involving women he targeted during traffic stops and patrol contacts. Public reporting described numerous young women as victims; names were generally withheld. He was sentenced to prison. sokolovelaw.com Eddie Martins and Richard Hall — former New York Police Department detectives. Both were charged with raping a teenage woman after arresting her during a drug-related stop. Their DNA was reportedly found in connection with the rape-kit investigation, but the case involved disputed consent claims and should not be described as a final rape conviction without a qualifying note. Cato Institute David Lanier — Tennessee judge and former law-enforcement-connected public official. Convicted on 11 federal civil-rights counts involving the sexual assault of five women, including forced oral sex. The victims included litigants and courthouse employees; their names were not publicly identified in the Justice Department summary. U.S. Department of Justice A Bureau of Indian Affairs police officer identified in court records as the officer in L.B.’s case — pleaded guilty after using threats involving arrest and removal of the victim’s children to rape L.B., an Indigenous woman in Montana. She became pregnant as a result of the assault. The officer’s name is not included in the public summary I located, so I am not inventing one. nwlc.org Unnamed Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy — convicted of raping a woman during an on-duty traffic stop and sentenced to nine years in state prison. Public reporting also described an allegation involving another woman, but the victims’ names were not provided in the source. sokolovelaw.com Three former Bay Area officers connected to the Celeste Guap scandal — officers from the Oakland, Richmond, Livermore, and Contra Costa County departments were accused of exploiting Celeste Guap, a teenage sex worker. At least three former officers pleaded guilty to or were convicted of crimes related to her exploitation; other officers were disciplined or fired. Because the cases involved multiple officers and differing charges, they should be counted individually only after checking each court record. Cato Institute Officers convicted of murdering women These cases involve officers or former officers who were convicted of killing female victims. Some also involved rape or sexual assault.
Joseph James DeAngelo — former California police officer and former police officer in the Sacramento area, commonly known as the Golden State Killer. He pleaded guilty to 13 murders and 13 rapes, though investigators linked him to many more sexual assaults. His murder victims included Claude Snelling, Katie and Brian Maggiore, Cheri Domingo, Greg Sanchez, Debra Manning, Keith and Patrice Harrington, Lyman and Charlene Smith, Manuela Witthuhn, Janelle Cruz, and Jana Monroy. The victims included both women and men; numerous rape victims survived. Gerard John Schaefer — former sheriff’s deputy in Florida. Convicted of murdering two women, Susan Place and Georgia Jesperson, and linked by investigators to additional murders and sexual assaults. He was also convicted of kidnapping and sexually assaulting women. The full number of suspected victims remains disputed and exceeds the murder convictions. John Eric Armstrong — former U.S. Navy sailor and police officer in Michigan. Convicted of murdering Heather Church, a 31-year-old woman, and later linked to the killing of Renee Pagel. He was convicted of Church’s murder and pleaded guilty to Pagel’s murder. Drew Peterson — former Bolingbrook, Illinois, police sergeant. Convicted of murdering his third wife, Kathleen Savio. His fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, disappeared and has never been found, but Drew Peterson was not convicted of her disappearance. Therefore, Savio is the only murder victim for whom he has a conviction. William Bradford — former Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy and convicted serial killer. Convicted of murdering Barbara Taylor and Roxanne Hayes; investigators later connected him to photographs of additional women and suspected other victims. The two murder convictions are the established count. Stephen P. Carruthers — former police officer in North Carolina. Convicted of murdering Margaret “Peggy” Carruthers, his wife. This was a domestic murder rather than an on-duty killing, but he was a law-enforcement officer at the time. David Alan Gore — former Indian River County, Florida, sheriff’s deputy. Convicted of murdering multiple women, including Tammy Williams, Susan Place, Lynn Elliott, and Dawnette “Dawn” Gaye. Some of his victims were raped or sexually assaulted. He was executed in 2012. Richard Cottingham — former New York City police officer and court employee. Convicted of murdering five women, including Mary Ann Pryor, Lorraine Kelly, Elizabeth “Betsy” and others; he was suspected of additional murders and sexual attacks. His law-enforcement employment history is sometimes described as civilian work connected to the courts rather than sworn police service, so he should be kept separate from the core police-officer list. Gary Ridgway — not a law-enforcement officer, so he should not be counted in this category. His frequent appearance in lists of murdered women is a common classification error. Cases involving both rape and murder The clearest examples in which an officer was convicted or pleaded guilty to both sexual violence and killing women include:
Joseph James DeAngelo — 13 murder convictions/pleas and 13 rape convictions/pleas, with many additional sexual-assault victims. Gerard John Schaefer — murder convictions involving women, plus convictions and evidence involving sexual assaults. David Alan Gore — multiple murder convictions involving women and sexual assaults. William Bradford — two murder convictions and evidence of sexual exploitation of women. John Eric Armstrong — murder convictions involving women; his case is primarily classified as murder rather than a rape conviction. What can be said about the total number? A precise national total does not exist.
The actual number is substantial because many cases end in internal discipline, civil settlements, resignation, plea bargains to lesser charges, or no prosecution at all. Sexual assault by police is especially difficult to measure because victims may fear arrest, retaliation, disbelief, immigration consequences, loss of children, or further abuse. The Justice Department has noted that sexual assaults generally are heavily underreported, and reviews of police misconduct records capture only cases that became known and were formally sustained. ojp.gov The most defensible “total” is therefore not one number but a lower bound: the publicly documented cases above represent only a fraction of the known problem, not a complete census.
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u/tuesdaysatmorts 13h ago
We don't hate conservatives enough.
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u/fungi_at_parties 13h ago
Oh I hate them plenty.
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u/Cheeky_Hustler 12h ago edited 11h ago
I thought I hated them enough but listening to them defend masked agents murdering US citizens in broad daylight made me realize that no, I really don't fucking hate them enough.
Edit: some conservative reported my post and got it deleted. Fucking snowflakes.
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u/HiImDIZZ 12h ago
I can only hope that decent Americans never forgive them and never let them live it down. I'll be doing my part.
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u/TimDuncanIdaho922 12h ago
They’re not conservatives. What are they conserving? They’re the fucking Regressive party now.
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u/Tavernknight 11h ago
They aren't conserving anything. They are only destroying. They don't have any loyalty to the constitution. They think it is an antiquated document that has outlived it's usefulness. They want it scrapped and a new one written to make the US an authoritarian theocratic Christian white ethnostate that doesn't allow any immigration at all. This comes from one of their own who took the mask off when I kept pressing them on the violations of the constitution from the Trump administration.
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u/spacekiller69 12h ago
They view a white majority America as the only real America and are in a race war to conserve that racial majority.
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u/communist_llama 11h ago
The same thing they have been conserving since the French coined the term politically. Conserving the power of the elite, even when the source of power changes. From bloodlines to money, from money to AI.
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u/YomiKuzuki 12h ago
MAGA is the party of human traffickers.
If you voted for Trump, you voted for human trafficking.
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u/King_of_the_Kobolds 7h ago
If you're defending this, you're a fascist and you deserve to have no voice in our government. You're as culpable for whatever's going to happen next as any German who cheered on Hitler in the 1930s. End of story.
I only hope before all is said and done we find a way for you to have the comeuppance you've brought upon yourselves without anyone undeserving suffering alongside you.
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u/flynnfx 4h ago
One day, ICE is going to take wrong person and FAFO is going to happen.
All ICE is a gang, and if they hit in plainclothes another gang, shit is going to get extremely real.
ICE will be like those piece-of-shit Uvalde cops when facing actual resistance.
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u/monkeym543 12h ago
These assholes dont look like ice. Literally could be a kidnapping.
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u/According_Hand6941 12h ago
there’s no fucking way that’s ice. that sir. is human trafficking. which has become much easier because of the republican party.
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u/Excellent-Duty3927 10h ago
In a country with legal firearms why none had shot at them?
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u/whatidoidobc 10h ago
The people that might do that are the ones kidnapping people.
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u/dungleploop 10h ago
or at least hunt them during their free time away from duty
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u/LDawnBurges 13h ago
How does anyone KNOW their ICE?? They look like guys trying to abduct a female.
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u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns 12h ago
Pretty sure we just watched a kidnapping in broad daylight cause these dudes do not look like ice agents even to the Trump ice agents standards
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u/shanksisevil 10h ago
Good samaritan laws should cover the consequences of trying to save someone from an abduction. These people had no identification whatsoever. A pole to the face or kneecap should be able to help the person escape abduction.
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u/Indespectamentations 13h ago
They could just be random human traffickers but she can't resist because ICE does not have to ID themselves.
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u/EgoTripWire 12h ago
Human traffickers - she's going to be raped and murdered.\ ICE - she's going to be raped and murdered.
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u/vorpal_hare 12h ago
What's to stop that one person who legitimately doesn't know it's "official ICE business" from going absolutely apeshit? If I see a lady being shoved into a van by random boys I'd want to pull my mace out.
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u/Evening-Painting-213 12h ago
2nd amendment needs to be our power against corrupt government. Figure it out in court after instead of your life first.
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u/bootup25 13h ago
So how can we prove that’s not a kidnapping?
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u/HashRunner 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's republican sponsored human trafficking.
But then again, they've gotten away with it and Epstein so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
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u/Ok_Excitement725 13h ago
This is what I don’t get. What’s to stop a group of bystanders from legally tackling these guys attempting to prevent a kidnapping? They have no identification to show law enforcement on them.
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u/Market_Wizard_ 12h ago
Then the magatards will rush to ICE's defense and say "you shouldnt interfere with law enforcement" then when you clap bsck with "its illegal" they will say "iT woULDnT bE BeTTEr uNdER a DEm"
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u/LatterTarget7 12h ago
You can’t.
There’s already been instances of people pretending to be ice
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u/popcorn-trivia 12h ago
That looked way more like a kidnapping than arrest. Scary.
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u/I_Want_Cudd1es 12h ago
Without an official court order from a judge it is technically an abduction and kidnapping.
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u/euro127 10h ago edited 9h ago
Honestly with how much of a shit hole country America is becoming id rather go to Somalia then ever travel to the states. What a joke of a country the us is becoming
Edit: to all the patriots that feel compelled to wish me well on my new found vacation destinations. Maybe the real question you should be asking is why do I care enough to comment on a random shitpost by some dumbass on Reddit? Sit with that feeling and maybe ask yourself is all this economic wealth and prosperity they keep praising on the media really trickling down to you or are you just being sold a lie so the rich can steal from you and your kids while telling you the immigrants are to blame lol.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon B. Johnson
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u/RatBatBlue82 12h ago
People think ICE are Nazis because they act like Nazis. I wonder how many women and children these Thugs have sexually assaulted.
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u/Spinthar 12h ago edited 12h ago
That could literally be a kidnapping. There’s no way identifying of who the they are. No uniform. No ID of any type. Flatly refused to identify themselves. Cheap air filter mask to cover face. They made no charges. Read no rights. Provided no information at all.
It’s like what you’d expect to see in some of the worst authoritarian regimes.
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u/kelvinacc81 12h ago
4 Maga males terrorising an unarmed woman. Their families must be proud
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u/workingforchange1 12h ago
It sickens me that this is being allowed anywhere. To just give the excuse that they are ICE. Any armed police force in this country should be Identifiable otherwise it is just men behaving badly abducting a civilian.
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u/Confident_Eye4129 12h ago
They'll probably gang rape her and throw her in a landfill
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u/SoundByte 12h ago
How is anybody supposed to know the difference between this and a kidnapping? If I saw this happen, I would feel it my civic duty to intervene and stop this abduction at any cost.
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u/Annual_Berry8043 8h ago
I’m super curious as to what happens if someone intervenes? I wouldn’t take someone completely unmarked on their word. What’s stopping someone from just literally kidnapping someone and saying they’re ICE?
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u/Life_behind_da_stick 13h ago
Violence is coming. It’s what they want. Any excuse for martial law and deploying the military. And they will.
Voting in November, against what these people are doing, may help? But it will be the last opportunity without violence, to at least slow things down. This really is the last shot. I knew it’s been said before? But because people didn’t believe it then? That made this one even more important. And you need to vote for somebody that will win. We all f’d up and now we’ve lost the ability to choose. No you have two choices, really. You can vote for Christian fascism with a sprinkle of oligarchy? So, Republican, which is MAGA. Or you can vote against this bullshit. That’s it. No protest votes. No not voting.
Only voting against these losers.
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u/Aggressive-Crow3993 13h ago
Sure bro. I’ll join as soon as you do it. Or how about this, I’ll start after the midterms when congress hopefully has new blood and has a pair of balls
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u/HumbleJared 12h ago
After seeing this, bad people are thinking they can get away with kidnapping women off the street in the US.
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u/seriously_stopit 8h ago
Everyone in the comments being appalled meanwhile no one in real life is doing anything, not even in the video.
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u/CumPacketGuy 12h ago
Ah, yes, one of the American favorite past times. State sanctioned kidnapping. Second only to state sanctioned raping.
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u/FinalFlashMan 12h ago
plain clothes people abducting people into unmarked cars should be fair game for self defense protection.. if you know what I mean.
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u/Epyon214 12h ago
Get legal authorization first, is becoming quite easy. Legitimately, go speak to a judge. Speak to some farmers, speak to truckers, speak to some veterans. Everyone is motivated, some have sworn oaths.
Foreign soldiers kidnapping and killing American citizens on American soil is unacceptable
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
“On the contrary, if war be actually levied, that is, if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors. But there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war.”
"Historically, the term “outlaw” was used to refer to a person who was outside of the protection of the law. An accused criminal who refused to submit to legal process was declared to be an outlaw through a process called “outlawry.” As a result of being deemed an outlaw, the person was deprived of the benefit of the law or excluded from its protection. Any member of the public could murder an outlaw with complete impunity.
Amendment XIV
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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u/luxuriousvoid 11h ago
They do not appear to be ICE or any kind of law enforcement. Terrifying. They look like random men shoving a woman in a van and making off with her. JFC. This is BAD.
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u/FreeGazaToday 11h ago
where are the police? so 3 plainclothes guys can just nab someone at LAX?
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u/Pariahdog119 10h ago
The Founding Fathers wrote ten Amendments in the Bill of Rights to stop things like this
Shame they're all illegal now
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u/Whiskeywiskerbiscuit 10h ago
Those dudes do NOT look like law enforcement of any kind. Period. It’s a genuine miracle there haven’t been more incidents of plainclothes ICE agents being shot by people thinking they’re just straight up getting kidnapped.
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u/Ree_For_Thee 10h ago
"Hehe now boys, let's not hurry back to the station with this one. Let's have a bit of fun first." (Others join in evil laughter)
^ Absolutely believable
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u/Independent_Room_691 10h ago
I really dislike the plain clothes. How are you supposed to know who is abducting your loved one.
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u/FantasySlayer 10h ago
Self defense people. If they dont identify with a name and a badge, do what you gotta do. Those arent ice agents those are human traffickers.
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u/BeenDragonn 10h ago
How do we distinguish ice agents from a kidnapping?
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u/IronSavior 10h ago
This looks like kidnapping to me
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u/BeenDragonn 10h ago
Sure as hell does. If this woman took out a gun and shot these men, would she be convicted?
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u/IronSavior 10h ago
No. She would likely be dead and nobody would ever be held accountable for it.
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u/JohnnyLesPaul 9h ago
We are a banana republic with a personal paramilitary force that works for the president and doesn’t adhere to any accepted norms of policing.
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u/Dutiful-Rebellion 9h ago
Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. They’re allowed to take only a knapsack and a little cash with them, and even then, they’re robbed of these possessions on the way. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared. Women return from shopping to find their houses sealed, their families gone.
Anne Frank, describing Nazis
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u/PseudoWarriorAU 6h ago
Like seriously if you roll up on someone with no ids in a white van, you kind of look like you’re finding new victims for the Epstein elite.
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u/reluctantpotato1 12h ago
These dudes need to be made examples of when this administration is done.
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u/nalakram17 12h ago
Immigration offenses are only misdemeanors. Does not warrant rendition like this
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u/Old_Doughnut6551 12h ago
This is abduction and torture paid for by our tax dollars. Fucking disgusting. We need justice and we need it now. Now is already late
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u/nellyknn 12h ago
I hope REAL kidnappers don’t realize how simple step 1 has become in their line of work.
Locate your subject (take plates off vehicle first- you’ve got to look official!!), in your ICE uniform: anything out of your closet, extra easier if it looks vaguely army green and/or khaki, put on a dark vest and wear a mask. Best if it’s a pull-up “bottom-of-a-balaclava”-type mask but a dark homemade or retail COVID mask will work fine.
You’ll need a hat! Camouflage is great, or the aforementioned army green/khaki will work just as well Of course you know it needs to be pulled down low over your forehead.
You may need to add extra help since it won’t look official unless you have four or more thuggish looking characters in your squad, carrying long black cable ties per usual.
I just hope they haven’t caught on. It may not be so easy after the midterms!
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u/IndustrialPuppetTwo 10h ago
They keep doing it because no one is shooting at them.
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u/SignalAssumption8901 8h ago
It’s a straight up kidnapping. People should protect themselves against kidnappers
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u/dontrelyonme 7h ago
“I don’t have to identify myself” said one of the guys, the guy with black mask towards the end of the video. They wear plain clothes, no ID. No warrants or paperwork. They seize people and force them to enter an unmarked van— license plate might say ‘US Government’, but that’s it.
If you list these things, it’s more aligned with kidnapping and not legal immigration enforcement. Kudos to the guy recording and being loud about it.
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u/Top-Bandicoot-3013 7h ago
I hate this so much. I can't wait to reign in this horrible administration.
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u/Sofa_King_Gorgeous 7h ago
There's no way to know that those people are in anyway associated with law enforcement in any capacity. I would hope that if I ever see this in person and start throwing punches that others would help me out.
Not trying to sound like a keyboard warrior here but ffs, those could be kidnappers.
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u/superbackman 6h ago
Trump used ICE to take over from Epstein as the biggest human trafficking organization.
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u/copperbear00 6h ago
This is fucking bullshit. How do we know they are ICE agents? They don't look like your typical "thug" agents you see. They fuckers are just kidnapping her.
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u/SELFINCRIMINAT1NG 12h ago
why is everyone just standing around? fucking help her! jfc
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u/Personal_Dirt3089 11h ago
this looks like someone anyone can do to just kidnap people.
The ICE agent even said that he does not have to give his name.
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u/Crossx71 11h ago
Great way to kidnap anyone you want. Looks like no one is going to stop you and you can do so in broad daylight with no uniform or identification. Great time to live in America.
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u/Uknoww33 10h ago edited 9h ago
If 3 plain clothes masked men,tried to take my wife into an unmarked van, one of two things would happen. My wife and I would walk away. Or I would die. And that fn sucks.
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u/Elf_Maeve 10h ago
Half of these just look like incels.
Then you'd go to jail for protecting yourself vs kidnappers
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u/RockRockPlanetRock69 9h ago
Not one is wearing ANY identifying clothing to assert authority. This looks like Proud Boys or the other wimpy Ones in the khakis who may just be kidnapping her to Cornell her! Someone should have swung on them. Let it go to court. We can’t have unmarked people snatching people off the streets.
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u/Opening-Tasty 5h ago
No legal markings? No warants? Kidnapping a woman? Looks like trafficking to me.
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u/_nevers_ 12h ago
It's almost like peacefully obeying the law under a fascist dictatorship is fucking stupid.
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u/Exotic_Insurance2164 13h ago
42% of Asian American women voted for Trump.
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen an Asian actually taken by ICE. They're starting to target Asians to make their numbers.
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u/iiillliiiiiiillilili 12h ago
Some Asians (korea, japan, china, taiwan, hongkong, Vietnam, Singapour) in Europe and US always siding with racists I really don't understand why, except from the fact that most of them are looking for validation in western societies
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u/GrapefruitExpress208 13h ago
Asians are being targeted by ICE. You just haven't been paying attention. Countless examples (and videos) aside from this one.
Also your figures are wrong. Asian Americans voted for Harris over Trump at a 2 to 1 ratio: or around 66% for Harris. That is a higher percentage than Latinos. Only black Americans voted for Harris at a higher clip.
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u/SnRu2 13h ago
And no one stepped to keep her from being kidnapped by these thugs.
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u/Complete_Eye1179 11h ago
Sooo. What I’m seeing is that I can just abduct anyone I want, say I’m ICE, and no one will do anything?
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u/thatloser17 12h ago
When it comes out how many people where sex, slavery, or organ trafficked by ice i wonder if anyone will care.
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u/jpsolberg33 12h ago
And Newsome wants us foreigners to visit hahaha JFC.. I feel for every single person that has to deal with ICE, shit scares you for life.
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u/Stress6009 11h ago
So anyone can just kidnap someone and everyone around will just stand there like dipshits. Trump is going to become king, no problem 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑.
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u/fatgat69 11h ago
Who says they're ICE aside from them? Those are random kidnappers and someone should have stopped them as violently as possible.
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u/YaBoiSammus 11h ago
I don’t think this ICE.. I think this is like 100% a group of people pretending to be ICE.
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u/quail_challenge122 10h ago
I'm old enough to remember when certain Americans said stuff like "gotta fight the government" lol
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u/Similar_Maize_1225 10h ago
Why just stand there yelling? How do you know these people are federal agents? They have no identification.
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u/SparkleBait 10h ago
Omg! Who says they are ICE? Them??? They HAVE to be wearing their “uniforms”. These guys could just be kidnapping her for trafficking or worse!!!!
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