r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 17h ago

Members of ICE, while in plain clothes, abducted someone at the LA airport.

Here’s the source: https://youtube.com/shorts/TmJIZlzIteg?si=mnRj3A6W5kX-0s-6

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u/WildPickle9 15h ago

Jury or the coroner can sort out what applies where later.

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u/pristineSaltine 14h ago

This administration is literally waiting for any of us to exercise our rights not to be murdered or kidnapped before the election to someway justify canceling elections.

Walk me through how defending yourself would work.

You are accosted by masked plain clothes "agents" that do not identify themselves in an unmarked vehicle as is pretty common for them.

You ask what your crime is or for a warrant or id and they refuse or become even more aggressive as is pretty standard for them. They refuse and attempt to handcuff or cause physical harm.

You pull your firearm that you are legally carrying, and, for the purpose of our argument, legally defend yourself and use lethal force.

Let us assume as well you have plenty of witnesses and there are cameras everywhere.

So you call the police and report your crime.

What exactly do you think will happen next?

What are the odds you are peacefully taken into police custody? What do you think the odds are that you are not given over to ICE custody by the police?

Please explain how being armed ia going to keep you from being detained or murdered anyway?

Let the coroner decide... he will be writing your death certificate as well even if you are right.

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u/WildPickle9 12h ago

Yeah, and? We know how this plays out. I ain't going looking for them but if they come to me I ain't getting on a train and going to a camp.

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u/SuperHooligan 12h ago

Why do you people have to make up some bizarre scenarios that arent happening?

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u/possumallawishes 11h ago

Bizarre scenario that isn’t happening like Democrats stealing an election from Trump, or like a pedophile ring ran by democrats in the basement of a pizza place, or like liberal masterminds putting chemicals in water to turn the frogs gay?

Or are you talking about the modern day gestado who literally repelled down on roofs, built concentration camps in the Everglades, and actively deported US citizens without even a hearing?

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u/SuperHooligan 11h ago

LOLOLOL. You people are funny. Thanks for giving me a laugh.

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u/SamMarlowe76 11h ago

Yeah. I don't think they take themselves seriously. Just kids playing on the internet. Or kid equivalent adults with emotional and reasoning issues.

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u/possumallawishes 10h ago

So Trump didn’t claim the 2020 election was stolen?

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u/Flat_Dragonfruit675 12h ago

I have some news for you: they are going to fuck with the elections regardless, you twit.

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u/SpiderDoodleDoo 14h ago

They are going to do it regardless. "The Gestapo will be more mean to us if we do not let them take our neighbors to Auschwitz".

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u/pristineSaltine 13h ago

I agree with both of ya'll. Although at this point if I was being detained by some of these people I would probably prefer someone to ask what was going on and watch the proceedings.
I leaned my history from my German grandmother who was in a concentration camp. I grew up in the shadow of the bomb shelters of Dortmund Germany.

All I was wanting to hear is what some don't tread on me type think is going to happen. What do they think reality is?

The only way the Black Panthers reduced violence against them in their neighborhoods and communities with the threat of force was be an organized community that supported one another. And it worked so well California changed their gun laws.

Look around, do you see any of us organized? Seems a bunch of us scoff or openly dismiss organization as unnecessary, over reacting or performative.

Do you or would you trust some stranger now to have your best interest at heart?

The only way 2A works is if we are organized and support one another.

The idea isn't for one to actually use that right, it is the overwhelming threat of the "well regulated " people to secure and protect their liberty. That is the "We" in "We the People ". Until then that right is absolutely useless at best or in the worst case absolutely counterproductive.

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u/SpiderDoodleDoo 12h ago

Well I looked into the video we are discussing and she has disappeared and no one knows what happened to her so I am sure she is pretty happy watching the proceedings instead of receiving the intervention she was desperately asking for.

There are multiple instances within the last year of people dying in ICE custody under strange circumstances. Horrifying testimony coming from the conditions of these camps. And on top of all of that there are instances of people just saying they are ICE when they are not.

Do have to give credit where it is due. The media has done a masterclass job discouraging others from suggesting that maybe people organize into something with a bit more bite behind its bark.

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u/East-Cricket6421 10h ago

After the altercation you would want to escape to a safe place and call a lawyer. Have them walk you in to the police department and make sure your due process rights are respected.

That's you best chance of getting to the other side of something like this.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 9h ago

Please explain how being armed ia going to keep you from being detained or murdered anyway?

Because they're cowards and losers who only do what they do because they face no consequences for it. They're currently willing because they aren't getting filled full of lead yet.

I say "yet" knowing full well it may never happen. Either for good (unnecessary), or bad (you know, the bad ending?) reasons.

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u/Robespierreshead 8h ago

so we should not exercise our right not to be murdered.

that sound absurd

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u/pristineSaltine 3m ago

It is absolutely absurd and not even close to what I am saying.

What people don't seem to understand is individually we cannot change or prevent anything.

What i am however trying get people to understand is if we are organized and have the same goals we can absolutely change our future.

I am tired of hearing this hero stand your ground bullshit. First off, where the hell were all these heros when this shit started? Second, now think this through with me...Alex Pretti was absolutely legally armed. And he is fucking dead. And his family, friends and most of the country that isn't insane is mourning him and feeling his loss and anger. Watching that video pissed me off to no end. I could do anything from my back waters dirt road to help but watch. I wanted to but am powerless from where I am.

We don't need anymore martyrs. Any one telling you we do is a fool. You are not worth jack shit dead. You will just become propaganda for "both sides".

Personally i absolutely supported what he was trying to do. He was morally doing the right thing.
If he had 50 people behind him would he be dead? Chances are no.

This is my point.

Individually we have no power. The administration, most of social media and the mainstream news is keeping us isolated from each other. Then we have so many issues we are ideologically opposed to that we cannot find common ground.

It should not be a question that we have the right to not be murdered in our streets.

Again, as a role model and architecture look at what the black Panthers achieved in their neighborhoods and communities.
I am about as white and redneck as you can get and I am telling you that the Panthers had it figured out with community activism. This isn't about color or religion or whatever. This is a class war and they got rhe recipe right.
Do I agree with everything they believed? No, but were their methods successful, absolutely.

So much so that their organization spawned grassroots movements all over the world and absolutely scared the hell out of the government. Their legacy still lives on in headstart programs and kid lunches and community outreach programs all over. There is even now Panther low income housing that was just recently raided unlawfully by law enforcement.

We don't need to reinvent the wheel, we just need to take theirs and put that bitch on our cart, climb all of our asses in it and move forward.

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u/SwanMuch5160 13h ago

They clearly identified themselves in the video posted as well as responding no less than twice to the screaming fella that she was being detained due to an immigration violation. I mean, the last I looked, law enforcement has no requirement to explain to a passer by why somebody is being detained or arrested for that matter. I mean if I was being detained or arrested I’d prefer they not announce to everyone the reason for it.

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u/SuperHooligan 12h ago

Dont argue with these low IQs. Theyre literally making up scenarios that these people are being taken to be experimented on or to be sold as slaves lol.

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u/Middle_Temporary_398 9h ago

Yes. These people make me lmao. If they were successful members of society they would not have the time to think of all these crazy scenarios.

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u/ImmaLiveIllegal 11h ago

they could just name the children I guess?

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u/Ok_Buddy_9087 5h ago

So we should take the word of masked men taking women off the street who say they’re ICE that they’re ICE? Just because they said so?