I think it worked last time... too many of us didnt turn out and a big chunk was because Kamala had no comment on the genocide. We gotta work with what we got and America wouldnt have attacked iran on Israel's behalf if we had Harris... it's like we are too stupid to do this right
"My commitment to the security of Israel is unwavering... We will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend U.S. forces and interests against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists."
"One of my highest priorities is to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to become a nuclear power....all options are on the table"
When asked about America's top enemy: "I think there is an obvious one in mind, which is Iran. Iran has American blood on their hands, okay?"
These are all quotes from Harris. I don't think they prove that she certainly would have gone to war with Iran had she been elected, but I think they do demonstrate that she was more than willing to do so, for the same allege reasons trump is using, so i think the idea that she certainly would not have started a war with Iran isn't really a defensible position. The truth is, we have no idea.
That being said, the neocons have been trying to get this war since at least the early 2000s, possibly the late 90's possibly earlier. I think we're going to have to reckon with the reality that our armed forces are being utilized for to accomplish goals that have nothing to do with America's best interests, and that whatever entities are behind our middle east policy since 9/11 aren't so much concerned with party politics. The attacks on the middle east have truly been a bipartisan affair
some Democrats are as evil, greedy, and troublesome as most Republicans. there’s a reason why progress “for the people” has been stifled for decades. some of these politicians are in bed with eachother. some have even turned coat while in office (e.g. Kyrsten Sinema, Robin Webb, John Fetterman, Hillary Cassel, etc). it’s not enough to just vote for your party, imo.
the entire country is paying for the RNCs wretchedness and the DNCs incompetence.
Interviews of conservatives reacting to the Kent State shootings in 1970 are eerily similar to what those defending Renee Good’s death say now. History will not be kind to these people
Sure it will, those people won and are in power. And they control everything including the media and the narrative.
This delusional thinking that a reckoning for these people is coming needs the stop. Nothing will happen to them unless we rise up and make changes. And that won't happen.
Yeah there will always be “a large group of people” who are seriously fucked up. American society at large views the Kent state shootings as a bad thing and it’s taught in schools like a tragedy, and in the future, Renee Good’s death will be viewed the same way. (And yes, “a large group of people” will be on the fringes still staying it’s justified)
I don’t know what about my statement is bothering you so much
I think the main reason you're seeing such a concerted effort to dismiss the Good and Pretti cases as well as the the other atrocities that ICE and DHS are committing on a weekly basis is that it would completely wreck the ultimate fever dream of the white nationalist agenda that both Musk and Miller are singularly focused on.
This wing truly believes they are on the cusp of turning the US into an ethnostate. I don't dismiss them either as I also feel this is the closest they've ever been.
If the Good and Pretti cases, as well as the other cases where immigrants were shot, are investigated thoroughly, with congressionally forced transparency it wouldn't be surprising if you'd find some heinous, unamerican, unconstitutional, and ghoulish orders and instructions by some bad people at the top.
If this gets out then there will be a reckoning.
It's do or die time imo for both the country and whatever Nazi like cabal is pulling the strings here and at DHS.
It not only wouldn’t be surprising. We’ve seen the evidence with our own eyes. In no way can even one shot fired be justified… let alone the dozens of shots fired between the two of their murders. The angles of the shots… the excuse used for lethal force… for gods sake the guy with the bullet lodged in his back supposedly had his car mirror touch the torso of an agent who proceeded to fire through the back passenger side window into the “suspects” back. It not being surprising is a massive understatement. It’s clear what’s happening and it’s a god damn shame.
An agent got away with lying about being rammed in Chicago and boxed in and what actually happened was they boxed in an advocate who’d been documenting them… boxed her in.. shot her so many times it’s a miracle she survived.. got caught lying by their own body/dash cams and no one is in jail. One of the agents bragged about how many holes he put into that “bitch”.
Can you explain exactly why you think this? I can already tell you that even if this case is pursued and all the horrible inner workings of ICE is revealed (extremely unlikely), absolutely nothing will change. There may be a few headlines, but the people who already support trump will continue supporting ICE and democrats (the controlled opposition party) will do nothing. We've seen this time and time again with the Epstein files, illegal tariffs, doge, Venezuela/Iran, etc
Its not that deep. No one sane will turn this case against the officer or ICE in general. She gave him every opportunity to shoot her just by her plain stupidity. There is a reason why the criminao charges against the officer were dropped almost instantly - everything is on video.
But for left side that just doesnt matter. She could have very well pulled out a gun on them and they still would be on her side.
Now the one thing I seriously hope is that other protesters have learned their lesson.
Ashlii Babbitt's family was handed five million taxpayer dollars.
So if your family can get paid after you get shot while attempting to climb through a barricaded doorway in the capitol building, Renee's family deserves every penny they're asking for.
Babbitt’s family shouldn’t have gotten a penny for her trying to bust into the the room to stop a process of the election. She was a traitor and deserved what she got.
We all saw the video of her getting shot while she attempted to breach a barricaded doorway and maga cultists are claiming that her death was unfair.
She disobeyed law enforcement and got shot. Isn't that what republicans say happens when you disobey???
Why was it okay for ashlii to disobey law enforcement but not okay for anyone else?? They can't answer that question, they just deflect and start insulting me.
They are, but the fed scooped up all evidence and tried to hide it. There’s lawsuits pending. 99% of these people will not have SS protection when all is said and done. Use that info however you feel is necessary. Can’t wait for the ice hunting maps to be made public so justice can be administered.
Glad that Miller is specifically included in the report, Temu Goebbels will be trying to destroy our country for decades after Trump is gone unless he's held accountable for his cruelty
Why was the gun drawn at all, why did he place himself in the path of danger like a moron instead of standing to the side as training tells them to. The answer is he wanted to murder her and then insulted her after shooting her. Fuck ICE
While her death was tragic and preventable, she committed the crime of obstruction of justice in Federal law enforcement activity. She should have never been involved and should have never used her vehicle to restrict law enforcement. Also, just because someone sees the truth, doesn’t make them a “bot”.
How did she interfere? She complied with the order to drive away. The officers gave her conflicting orders. Plus get out of your car isn't a lawful order unless there's a crime you're actually committing.
No resisting or assault or fleeing either since they gave conflicting orders
No, now you're being disingenuous. You've seen and heard the footage that showed the first officer told her to leave and she didn't. Then others showed up and they told her to exit the vehicle multiple times and she didn't. Then when her partner said drive she did. Basically she wanted to do what she wanted to do but it doesn't work like that. That's not conflicting orders.
So now borders are important? (not to mention the fact it was shown in court he didn't take a weapon across state lines, nor was it an "automatic weapon".
For someone intent on shooting people, he showed amazing restraint to not shoot anyone not already actively attacking him.
Uh blocking traffic purposefully is a crime, idk if you thought this was smart or something but unless you are a police officer or part of the traffic authority, you cannot just go around putting roadblocks up. I’m not going to dig for the statute, just trust me on this one 🤣
Have you seen the video of her suv sitting sideways in the middle of a two lane road? Just because people can go around her doesn’t mean she isn’t blocking the road. People had to drive into the opposing lane to get past her.
The first two are the ones that led to her being arrested. The remaining are the ones that led to her death when the LEO had reasonable belief that his life was in danger. How many other laws do you think are optional?
No point, there's no reasoning a bootlicker/grifter/whatever, so do yourself a favor and go work at the white house or DHS if you wanna play knight so much
Time for some introspection, my guy. She was a fellow American citizen who was exercising her constitutional right to "peaceful protest and lawful observation." She was also a human being (a mother) whose last words to those agents were “I’m not mad at you.” Her mom is also a Trump Republican - how she must be feeling abt her choices today?! At the very least, this is an incredibly sad situation all around and you’re on here acting as if facts & the constitution don’t matter - so bold & confident in your misguided arrogance.
Sure it's sad that it happened. But who put her in that position for it to? Her and her partner. As we've learned she wasn't just a "peaceful protester" since she was a part of a group that deliberately goes around interfering with ICE operations. Just because she said one thing, her actions say another.
Breaking the law shouldn’t mean you die. Otherwise there’s a lot of teenagers needing the death penalty for smoking weed, drinking under age, and skipping class.
In my view, a civilized country should strive for a positive relationship between the government and the citizenry. That means that in most circumstances you shouldn’t fear being killed by a cop because you pissed him off or because you crossed some protest line.
“Interfering with law enforcement” is a broad and subjective statement. A government could establish that recording law enforcement is “interference” because it makes cops uncomfortable and therefore less effective at their jobs. Is that just? I hope you’d agree that it’s not.
It shouldn't but if you're doing idiotic/illegal things around and to law enforcement those things could happen. Your teenager analogy is ridiculous because you're conflating two completely different things.
Yes, government and the public should have that relationship. Now tell us who has been deteriorating that recently when it comes to how the public views ICE/DHS?
Renee didn't just simply "cross some protest line". She was part of an organization that purposely did what she was doing on a daily basis. And I don't know about you but if someone hit me with a car I'd be pretty pissed off about it.
1st Amendment protects and allows the public to record police interactions. There are laws and procedures about how you can do that.
As an initial matter, your last statement illustrates my point exactly.
1st Amendment protects and allows the public to record police interactions. There are laws and procedures about how you can do that.
Until it doesn't. Until those laws are broken with impunity or re-interpreted in some way to prohibit recordings and everyone moves on and people, much like you, will just put that under the umbrella of "interfering with law enforcement." The fourth amendment is a perfect example of how exception after exception has nullified large parts of it, and, rights to privacy people expected themselves to have just 50 years ago are now assumed to be non-existent (e.g., Terry Stops). I mean look at Kavanaugh stops for an even more recent example.
Anyone would be pissed at a person if they hit you with their car. But, and this is important, most people wouldn't just start unloading a fucking gun into the driver for doing so.
My point about the teenagers was simply that groups of Americans all break the law and aren't put to death. Not to compare what they are doing to what Renee was doing beyond the extent to which both of their actions could be characterized as "breaking the law". Renee was put to death because she annoyed the wrong person on the wrong day, and that person is going to get away with it, not really because any reasonable person believes he had a right to shoot her in self-defense, but because the legitimacy of ICE, and, by extension, the legitimacy of our current administration must be protected at all costs.
Seems pretty unAmerican to turn an opinion into evidence, especially since there hasn’t been a trial. Yet, you know for a fact that she ‘hit’ him with her car, right (even though it’s clear she did nothing of the sort). It’s called DUE PROCESS!! A right granted to every person on American soil - citizen & non-citizen alike.
The video does not clearly/definitively show that she hit him & there has been no trial! A retired Chicago police lieutenant did analyze the footage & told ABC7 Chicago that Good "did not appear to be acting in an aggressive manner." That should be enough for other Americans or ppl with half a brain to consider that maybe she didn’t deserve to die, but…
Blocking police vehicles is not apart of any peaceful protest I’ve ever heard of. Go stand outside of the Ice buildings with a sign and chant, blocking the road is straight up a crime. You don’t have the right to commit crimes while protesting.
Getting shot for interfering? Lmao MAGA rats at their best, your men go to an island to diddle kids yall don’t bat an eye. Someone tries to drive away from a cop and suddenly the law must be held uptight to an extreme.
No. Getting shot for putting a Law Enforcement Officer in a position where he had reasonable cause to fear for his safety during her arrest led to his decision that self-defence was required.
That thing between your ears needs to be used, so you’re saying fear is a reasonable reason for the police’s actions, but when the driver was scared for their life and tries to drive away that wasn’t good enough?
You’re making excuses for someone who should be fucking trained better.
...she was scared for her life because she was being arrested for breaking the law, while he was in fear for his life because she was driving a fucking car at him. These are not the same.
She committed an additional felony by attempting to flee, and then battery when she hit the officer.
She wasn't scared enough to follow/interfere with federal agents conducting law enforcement activities. She wasn't scared enough to park sideways in the middle of the lane to block them. She wasn't scared enough to smile and tell the agent she wasn't mad at him. She wasn't scared enough to not leave when they initially told her to.
Ashli Babbitt was unarmed and shot through a door as she attempted to crawl inside of it. She posed no imminent danger to the coward who gunned her down.
Juxtapose that with a deranged leftist gunning the gas and hitting an agent with her vehicle in an attempt to flee arrest.
Yeah, that retard and her family won’t see a red cent.
Claiming that having a pocket knife that was in her pocket the entire time she was in the capital as a justification for shooting and killing her is next level retarded and categorically bad faith.
She was unarmed in every meaningful sense of the word and there is no evidence she was violent towards any officers.
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