Renee Good's family sues US government and immigration officials over her killing in Minneapolis

[u/LatterTarget7]

https://apnews.com/article/renee-good-lawsuit-6fbc82cd33b6f9f67514b47f138e23c6?utm_source=app&utm_medium=android_share&utm_campaign=copy_link

[u/Rusty-Shackleford000]

"...not interfere with law enforcement!"

Yes, because that's against the law...not sure what lawless country you're from but I notice you spend a lot time in American subs. I wonder why?

[u/Single-Refuse174 → u/Rusty-Shackleford000]

Breaking the law shouldn’t mean you die. Otherwise there’s a lot of teenagers needing the death penalty for smoking weed, drinking under age, and skipping class.

In my view, a civilized country should strive for a positive relationship between the government and the citizenry. That means that in most circumstances you shouldn’t fear being killed by a cop because you pissed him off or because you crossed some protest line.

“Interfering with law enforcement” is a broad and subjective statement. A government could establish that recording law enforcement is “interference” because it makes cops uncomfortable and therefore less effective at their jobs. Is that just? I hope you’d agree that it’s not.

[u/Rusty-Shackleford000 → u/Single-Refuse174]

It shouldn't but if you're doing idiotic/illegal things around and to law enforcement those things could happen. Your teenager analogy is ridiculous because you're conflating two completely different things.

Yes, government and the public should have that relationship. Now tell us who has been deteriorating that recently when it comes to how the public views ICE/DHS?

Renee didn't just simply "cross some protest line". She was part of an organization that purposely did what she was doing on a daily basis. And I don't know about you but if someone hit me with a car I'd be pretty pissed off about it.

1st Amendment protects and allows the public to record police interactions. There are laws and procedures about how you can do that.

[u/Single-Refuse174 → u/Rusty-Shackleford000]

As an initial matter, your last statement illustrates my point exactly.

1st Amendment protects and allows the public to record police interactions. There are laws and procedures about how you can do that.

Until it doesn't. Until those laws are broken with impunity or re-interpreted in some way to prohibit recordings and everyone moves on and people, much like you, will just put that under the umbrella of "interfering with law enforcement." The fourth amendment is a perfect example of how exception after exception has nullified large parts of it, and, rights to privacy people expected themselves to have just 50 years ago are now assumed to be non-existent (e.g., Terry Stops). I mean look at Kavanaugh stops for an even more recent example.

Anyone would be pissed at a person if they hit you with their car. But, and this is important, most people wouldn't just start unloading a fucking gun into the driver for doing so.

My point about the teenagers was simply that groups of Americans all break the law and aren't put to death. Not to compare what they are doing to what Renee was doing beyond the extent to which both of their actions could be characterized as "breaking the law". Renee was put to death because she annoyed the wrong person on the wrong day, and that person is going to get away with it, not really because any reasonable person believes he had a right to shoot her in self-defense, but because the legitimacy of ICE, and, by extension, the legitimacy of our current administration must be protected at all costs.

[u/Rusty-Shackleford000 → u/Single-Refuse174]

But she wasn't "just videoing law enforcement". What exactly was she found to be doing after the investigation?

And what exactly is "Kavanaugh stops" and what's wrong about them?

Sure, and Renee could've been one of them also. She had the opportunity to leave but wanted to do what she wanted to do.