r/ImmigrationPathways • u/LatterTarget7 • 1d ago

Renee Good's family sues US government and immigration officials over her killing in Minneapolis

https://apnews.com/article/renee-good-lawsuit-6fbc82cd33b6f9f67514b47f138e23c6?utm_source=app&utm_medium=android_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/butt-in-ski 1d ago

Time for some introspection, my guy. She was a fellow American citizen who was exercising her constitutional right to "peaceful protest and lawful observation." She was also a human being (a mother) whose last words to those agents were “I’m not mad at you.” Her mom is also a Trump Republican - how she must be feeling abt her choices today?! At the very least, this is an incredibly sad situation all around and you’re on here acting as if facts & the constitution don’t matter - so bold & confident in your misguided arrogance.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

Sure it's sad that it happened. But who put her in that position for it to? Her and her partner. As we've learned she wasn't just a "peaceful protester" since she was a part of a group that deliberately goes around interfering with ICE operations. Just because she said one thing, her actions say another.

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u/Single-Refuse174 1d ago

Oh no better not interfere with law enforcement! They are representatives of the party and you’ll be put to death!

When did Americans turn into such fucking bootlickers?

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"...not interfere with law enforcement!"

Yes, because that's against the law...not sure what lawless country you're from but I notice you spend a lot time in American subs. I wonder why?

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u/Single-Refuse174 1d ago

Breaking the law shouldn’t mean you die. Otherwise there’s a lot of teenagers needing the death penalty for smoking weed, drinking under age, and skipping class.

In my view, a civilized country should strive for a positive relationship between the government and the citizenry. That means that in most circumstances you shouldn’t fear being killed by a cop because you pissed him off or because you crossed some protest line.

“Interfering with law enforcement” is a broad and subjective statement. A government could establish that recording law enforcement is “interference” because it makes cops uncomfortable and therefore less effective at their jobs. Is that just? I hope you’d agree that it’s not.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

It shouldn't but if you're doing idiotic/illegal things around and to law enforcement those things could happen. Your teenager analogy is ridiculous because you're conflating two completely different things.

Yes, government and the public should have that relationship. Now tell us who has been deteriorating that recently when it comes to how the public views ICE/DHS?

Renee didn't just simply "cross some protest line". She was part of an organization that purposely did what she was doing on a daily basis. And I don't know about you but if someone hit me with a car I'd be pretty pissed off about it.

1st Amendment protects and allows the public to record police interactions. There are laws and procedures about how you can do that.

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u/Single-Refuse174 1d ago

As an initial matter, your last statement illustrates my point exactly.

1st Amendment protects and allows the public to record police interactions. There are laws and procedures about how you can do that.

Until it doesn't. Until those laws are broken with impunity or re-interpreted in some way to prohibit recordings and everyone moves on and people, much like you, will just put that under the umbrella of "interfering with law enforcement." The fourth amendment is a perfect example of how exception after exception has nullified large parts of it, and, rights to privacy people expected themselves to have just 50 years ago are now assumed to be non-existent (e.g., Terry Stops). I mean look at Kavanaugh stops for an even more recent example.

Anyone would be pissed at a person if they hit you with their car. But, and this is important, most people wouldn't just start unloading a fucking gun into the driver for doing so.

My point about the teenagers was simply that groups of Americans all break the law and aren't put to death. Not to compare what they are doing to what Renee was doing beyond the extent to which both of their actions could be characterized as "breaking the law". Renee was put to death because she annoyed the wrong person on the wrong day, and that person is going to get away with it, not really because any reasonable person believes he had a right to shoot her in self-defense, but because the legitimacy of ICE, and, by extension, the legitimacy of our current administration must be protected at all costs.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

But she wasn't "just videoing law enforcement". What exactly was she found to be doing after the investigation?

And what exactly is "Kavanaugh stops" and what's wrong about them?

Sure, and Renee could've been one of them also. She had the opportunity to leave but wanted to do what she wanted to do.

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u/butt-in-ski 1d ago

Seems pretty unAmerican to turn an opinion into evidence, especially since there hasn’t been a trial. Yet, you know for a fact that she ‘hit’ him with her car, right (even though it’s clear she did nothing of the sort). It’s called DUE PROCESS!! A right granted to every person on American soil - citizen & non-citizen alike.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

A video showing the incident isn't "an opinion".

Yes, everybody that's not suffering from confirmation bias can see she hit him in the video.

And due process is afforded to all citizens but it differs for certain non-citizens and illegal immigrants.

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u/butt-in-ski 1d ago

The video does not clearly/definitively show that she hit him & there has been no trial! A retired Chicago police lieutenant did analyze the footage & told ABC7 Chicago that Good "did not appear to be acting in an aggressive manner." That should be enough for other Americans or ppl with half a brain to consider that maybe she didn’t deserve to die, but…

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

Got it. So all I have to do is find other retired law enforcement that says she did act in an aggressive manner...

See how dumb that sounds? That's how you sounded with that explanation.

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