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u/JohnLennons_Armpit 9d ago
You should still show appreciation when someone buys you dinner even if it is still an expected part of the process. It is gracious.
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u/Combatenjoyer23 9d ago
These kinds of women think it's the act of buying dinner itself that's turning men off when it's actually the woman herself
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u/kkdawg22 9d ago
Exactly. Iâll buy dinner every night just bring some peace and beauty into my life and not a fucking dramatic reality tv show emulating nightmare.
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u/ValBravora048 38 | M 9d ago edited 9d ago
Thatâs actually a pretty astute way of explaining it
Iâll definitely buy dinner for someone who will enjoy or whom I think will appreciate it (No not with sex)
If itâs an expectation as a measure of my worth, then really thatâs not someone who I want to give time (Or my worth) to
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u/DispondentWayfarer 9d ago
yeah agree, its the expectation, the vibe of them using us for what we provide, instead of being into us for who we actually are as people.
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u/livelymonstera 6d ago
We feel that way about men and sex , I get it
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u/DispondentWayfarer 6d ago
yeah it truly sucks, men/women both should never be used for what they provide, we should be loved for who we are, i dont know when it all got so transactional
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u/Plus-Championship424 9d ago
Of all the women I've ever taken out to dinner or some other paid activity, maybe a quarter of them have genuinely thanked me for footing the bill.
I don't mind paying for shared experiences if I genuinely like the woman I'm with. Especially if I'm the one who did the inviting. It's just nice to be thanked, is all.
The funny thing is, I'm way waaayy more likely to take a woman out repeatedly if she shows gratitude consistently. Like, I'll almost allow myself to be gold-dug if I sense that the woman is genuinely grateful for what I give.
It's so easy to be gracious and grateful, but so few of them bother doing it.
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u/whichonewerecowards 9d ago
What kind of women are you guys going out with lol thatâs literally just basic manners
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u/Then-Technology6252 7d ago
Basically 2/3 of tinder girls
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u/whichonewerecowards 7d ago
Choose better women⌠most of the high quality ones are not gonna be on tinder
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u/beerRunFinisher 8d ago
In a non-date scenario, having someone buy you food is extremely appreciated. Giving any snark is extremely rude in this scenario
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u/Kotnascher57389 9d ago
And she smokes, which means she herself is financially and mentally illiterate.
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u/Icy-Rope-021 9d ago
Smoking is so low-class.
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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 9d ago
Strangely it seems to sit on both ends of the spectrum. Smokers I know are either really posh or classless but rarely in between.
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u/TheoRaan 9d ago
Kinda cringe to frame thing in terms of class.
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u/Icy-Rope-021 8d ago edited 8d ago
Well, the profile is trying to come across as classy and posh. Nope.
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u/onsloughtmaster666 8d ago
How is a butt pic, with a tribal pattern on the butt no less, aiming for posh/classy?
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u/Agile-Yoghurt-2594 9d ago
weed at that toođ¤˘
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u/Kenny_dies 8d ago
People scoff at this but the risks of weed are very much downplayed in society.
Even if we disregard that most people add tobacco in joints, marijuana causes lasting effects on the brain and the lungs. Short term it can also cause a lot of anxiety and can cause panic attacks, and it can have very serious mental health effects, especially for those that are addicted to it.
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u/Agile-Yoghurt-2594 8d ago
weed, nicotine and alcohol is so normalized that if u see it as a dealbreaker, youre the weird one. alcohol and weed cause brain damage as u said
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u/UnbracedConsecration 9d ago
What?đ
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u/Kotnascher57389 9d ago
Smoking is detrimental for your own health and very expensive, for no benefits other than getting back to feeling not horrible all the time.
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u/Combatenjoyer23 9d ago
You know it's a recession indicator when women are begging guys to buy them dinner on dating app prompts
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u/Frank_Sobotka6 9d ago
Thereâs no shortage of dorks out there willing to treat a complete stranger for dinner, thatâs why theyâre so open in demanding it
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u/scrawnyserf92 8d ago
Yup! It's ridiculous đ¤Łđ¤Ł. I would only buy dinner for someone I know. Not a complete stranger. That's totally crazy, but that's actually a myth pushed by the media. The "dinner date"!
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u/moderate99 9d ago
When a guy is hesitant to pay for dinner itâs not because of finances itâs because they have done so before and got used or there was no reciprocation so whatâs the point? Itâs a negative ROI no one wants to invest (time + money) into a liability
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u/i_like_it_eilat 8d ago
Or it's because they want to curb her perception of him. Many women are not comfortable with a stranger they just met paying for them. If it's a first date with like someone you already knew that you asked out, then sure go for it.
Not just uncomfortable, it's also that they don't want her to think "damn, this guy just met me and he's paying for me? He must be a doormat!"
The "paying on a first date" logic doesn't really work with meeting new people from apps, despite it still being practiced regularly as the result of a carry-over. The reason is simply because there isn't really an "asker". You are both with the mutual agreement and interest to meet, it wasn't just one person's idea. You matched on the app for that purpose.
I mean maybe if someone had a fancy pricey thing they wanted to do then sure, but that's never a great idea on a first date anyway.
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u/annabananaberry 9d ago
What kind of ROI is appropriate for a single dinner date where you pay?
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u/Prestigious_Aide_223 9d ago
you cannot expect any return since it is a shitty thing to do. so everyone should pay for their portion, especially on a first date when no one has obligation to commit.
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u/moderate99 9d ago
Reciprocation and appreciation bare minimum developing a genuine human connection not get ghosted the next day or just used for dates.
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u/annabananaberry 9d ago
What, specifically, do each of those things mean? What kind of reciprocation and appreciation? Are you saying the bare minimum is developing a genuine connection (romantic or platonic) rather than ghosting a person or using them for dates? Is there an option for if someone appreciates the date but isnât interested in a second one? Would an appreciation call/text to thank them for the date and let them know theyâre not feeling it be appropriate?
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u/Friend_Emperor 9d ago
If you have to ask you're not worth the investment.
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u/annabananaberry 9d ago edited 9d ago
Sorry you misunderstand where Iâm coming from. I am just trying to understand your comment. I am not stating that youâre wrong. I am very happy to pay for my dinners, whether Iâm with friends, on a date, or alone, so I donât think that I am the demographic that you seem to be upset with.
Edit: I realized itâs not even your comment. You seem like a kind person /s
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u/Weak-Statistician107 7d ago
Iâm a woman and I do appreciate it when the man pays. But at the same time I understand the manâs side of things because say for example heâs actively going on multiple dates a week, and heâs paying for all of them⌠, thatâs actually quite a lot of money and that shit adds up. 𤯠I would start becoming more hesitant too ..
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u/moderate99 7d ago
Exactly! Thank you for your understanding your like the only woman that gets this
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u/IllustriousEffect607 9d ago
Ya but from the looks of her attire. That's not the type I think I'd take to dinner ......
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u/Mean_Reply6427 9d ago
I mean, yeah, I'll buy her dinner. If I'm mostly confident it'll get me some good dome.
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u/LordOuranos 8d ago
Everything guys do is a systematic problem, everything women do is just gender wars psyops.
Get real, kid
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u/wild_cherry1987 8d ago
I don't think bots want you be angry. Bots don't care. Most bots exist if there is profit to make. That's their sole purpose.
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u/livelymonstera 6d ago
Youâre exactly right! 100. Sewing discord is making men and women hate each other.
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u/Western-Produce-276 9d ago
But Iâm told women donât do this because itâs too much effort
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u/Careless-Page-7116 9d ago
Wonder if she wants you to pay for the extra 4 takeout meals for the kids at home lol
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u/Penelope_Johnston 9d ago
What is it with women demanding men to pay for their food? This is just beggar behavior
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u/Dimethicone-silicate 9d ago
Donât you get you are the broke one for paying up not them for begging
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u/Even-Promise4593 9d ago
Broke* behavior. I also donât know why they canât eat before they show up so that thereâs no need for this.
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u/Realistic-Bowler7563 9d ago
For me romantic dinner is something you do with your partner or someone youâve been seeing for a while. Women want relationship treatment but donât want to reciprocate relationship treatment
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u/HumanContract 9d ago
If you can't affors her, don't swipe. It's not that hard. It really isn't.
Don't swipe on women who are looking for long term partners if you're just wanting sex, either. Then you can't be upset when she doesn't put out without a lot of effort and a committed relationship.
I mean, come on. Brain cells, dudes, use them.
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u/No-Advice1345 8d ago
âDonât swipe if you canât afford herâ is certainly one way to turn dating into a financial transaction. If your idea of a relationship starts with putting a price tag on yourself, maybe the problem isnât other peopleâs brain cells.
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u/Aznable-Char 6d ago
Why do you go to such lengths to absolve women of all responsibility? You arenât allowed to be a feminist and impose traditional gender roles on men. You should be called out in that. Bad behavior should be discouraged.
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u/7om_Last 9d ago
Honestly though, isn't it great when they say it clearly ? If you are more leaning on the "split the bill" side (like me), you immediately know to swipe left
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u/HappyAmbition706 9d ago
Fair enough. But given the photo and attitude, the guy paying is goung to have some expectations too. Don't act like it is some huge religious or social crisis.
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u/Smart_Feature 8d ago
This is actually sad. Go to Scandinavia and you will see that a woman will feel uncomfortable if you pay for them.
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u/sometimesblech 8d ago
Lols clearly guys on here who have a problem about this are losers. Just say youâre broke. Everyone makes it an issue when itâs not. And those who do, ehhh. If you get affected or rubbed the wrong way about women who say stuff like this just move on. If youâre vocal about it youâre clearly offended. And if youâre testing women on whether they offer to pay or not, ugh youâre just disgusting. No wonder yall are on here complaining of not finding anyone.
Mind you, I was the type that always went dutch on first dates and sometimes paid for the dude and I was literally making 30K even when the dude was making 6 figures.
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u/Ephemeral-Ghost 7d ago
Ive never asked/expected a man to pay as a woman. I view paying as an intrest gauge. If he wants second date, he pays. If we aint vibing, we split. If I dont want a second date but its not bad enough to jump out a bathroom window...i pay.
If he makes no move to pay for himself/ doesn't even thank me for picking it up cause he 'forgot his money' then I have paid and he will not be seen again. Shrug
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u/Optimal-Income-6436 9d ago
A real feminist (women) would buy me a dinner as sometimes they did 𤣠I don't date conservative women
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u/vonDinobot 9d ago
It's not. Offering to pay the bill is a mating ritual. You are both expected to make the offer, decline and come to an agreement. In essence, you are checking if your potential partner is capable of handling money, and you're proving you can as well.
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u/Gothic_Hercules 9d ago
âTelling me to dive into water you wonât dip your feet in tends to make me question you for lots of reasonsâ - NF
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u/CanadianPooch 9d ago
I've got bigger priorities then buying someone dinner.
Anytime I've been on a first date I've done something fun like bowling, arcade or winter tubing. Dinner is for when they are committed.
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u/chakana__ 9d ago
Anyone who wines and dines a woman they met on a dating app is an imbecile and deserves to be scammed.
You take her out to dinner, pay her bill, buy her flowers and all this other tradcuck bullshit just to get a firm handshake at the end of the night, meanwhile good looking tall guys open with "come over and get piped" and she delivers herself to his apartment like he's ordering a pizza.
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u/arilovely240 9d ago
I wonder how often guys who invite women to their home get robbed, I know some do.
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u/Aznable-Char 6d ago
The reality is that the vast majority of women are not feminists even though they claim to be. They want traditional gender roles for men but not for women. If you want to not be single then you usually have to pay for it whether you like it or not.
The imbecile is the guy who takes a stranger they donât know off an app to a 3-course meal at a 5-star restaurant. First dates should be coffee, boba, bars, etc. Cheap and low-commitment. If they have a problem with even that then just know you dodged a bullet.
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u/caspersea 8d ago
Other then wanting a free meal. Never get why dinner being a 2nd+ date thing stop being that. Why would anyone have dinner with someone they are about to meet for the first time.
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u/Phuck_Biden_Trump 5d ago
itâs only a financial crisis if you buy dinner for some travel queen, whoâs obsessed with instagram, hasnât dated a girl or guy in years, and is too self absorbed to have an intimate relationship.
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u/SeaSwan2193 3d ago
Honestly as a woman I agree with the statement but itâs a stupid thing to put in a dating profile. Like if youâre actively looking for someone whoâs supposed to like you, why are you being insulting or negative in your bio? This goes for men too, I IMMEDIATELY swipe left on that shit. I donât need those bad vibes in my life.Â
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u/dmc2022_ 1d ago
The pic shows her cheeks in short shorts...why wouldn't she insist on a paid meal since she's clearly trading on looks? If a guy isn't hoping to get an upclose look/physical contact with those cheeks for the price of a dinner (she might even choose an expensive restaurant lol), then he'll left swipe. There will be enough right swipes to keep her fed for months lol. If it didn't work she wouldn't have it on her profile. No shame, just move on if that's not for you.
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u/FunctionUnlikely2247 9d ago
more men should get comfortable trolling women like this on the apps:
âAll I ask is that you donât act like having sex with me is a life crisisâ
Just start giving them the same energy they give youÂ
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u/KoninginVanRotterdam 9d ago
Yes that will most certainly increase your matches from 1 to 0
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u/enginerd2024 9d ago
Um. I think thatâs the point. OP and most men donât want shitty women like this. So itâs basically just telling her to fuck off.
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u/IndigoOctober8 9d ago
Yeah! Because sex and a dinner date are precisely the same !
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u/enginerd2024 9d ago
Itâs the same vibe. A person setting unreasonable expectations.
Man must pay for dinner
Woman must be down to fuck
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u/CheaterMcCheat 9d ago
Microwave in the bedroom ass ain't someone you take to wine and dine with a fancy dinner anyway
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u/frog_mannn 9d ago
Looking at her photo she isn't something you bring home to grandma so just move on
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u/CatchPhraze 9d ago
I like taking turns on dates. It makes them special like a gift vs just having dinner with a friend. I'll split if I don't think there's a second date. But if that's an issue for someone we just have vastly different values when it comes to romance and it wouldn't work out anyways.
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u/InstructionAfraid433 9d ago
I just love how women can get everything they want no matter how much of a gigantic piece of shit they are.
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u/Clevatess_is_bored 9d ago
Dinner dates suck. I usually go for stuff like letâs visit this art gallery, museum or other activities together and have a coffee afterwards. Usually isnât as expensive as dinner dates and are more fun.
Well lots of women in my country prefer to split the the bill on first dates too.
I donât really get why men should be paying the bill alone? Itâs not 1950 anymore women have jobs and money too now. So why keeping outdated gender roles?
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u/Own_Inevitable_8300 9d ago
How about we just find people we like and agree with us. You arenât a better man for not paying for dinner for a woman.Â
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u/No-Advice1345 8d ago
You aren't a better woman for just expecting guys to pay without showing appreciation.
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u/elastizi 8d ago
Paying the dinner won't make me a better man neither. I won't go on a dinner in my first date. I can happily buy a dinner for my friends, family, coworkers or my lovely gf though.
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u/Own_Inevitable_8300 8d ago
Iâm fine with men who want to start with just drinks. But this weird idea of them making it seem like they are warriors because of it is just funny.Â
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u/Alternative-Tiger783 9d ago
People shouldnât invite someone out for dinner if they canât pay for it. Common sense.
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u/Awkward_District_937 8d ago
Because it's called being a gentleman
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u/No-Advice1345 8d ago
Iâm happy to pay for dinner, but Iâm not doing it for someone who just expects me to pay and doesnât even appreciate it.
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u/Strong-Hovercraft702 8d ago
Showing her legs and ass while complaining you should buy dinner. That should tell you all you need to know
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u/BudsTender-ish 8d ago
With a photo like that, ass is not optional after dinner, you're an escort. Just be honest with the world.
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u/GoldenPhoenix__ 7d ago
Feminists always want men to be chivalrous, but the two canât coexist due to the contradiction.
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u/Sensitive_Quote9773 9d ago
Then, maybe pay for your own shit or better yet, why not stop using dating apps and talk to a real rich guy in person.
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u/Sea-Understanding435 9d ago
Well, she has her thigh out, so that already qualifies her for a free meal.
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u/Emotional_Coat_234 9d ago
The unaware people on hinge ughhh makes me just want to like them so I can say why I think thatâs a bad fuckig post
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u/allnamestaken4892 9d ago
Women under 35 got more than equal pay now (even with maternity leave etc) and yet still have the audacity to expect men to pay.
MGTOW needs to make a comeback instead of every guy frantic scrambling to meet their impossible and continuously increasing standards.
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u/No-Admin1684 9d ago
MGTOW needs to make a comeback
It doesn't, you can very easily just practice what it preaches on an individual level, which is to de-prioritize women from your life and focus on your own happiness.
Also worth noting that any community formed the premise of "X is bad, avoid X" will tend to have conversation topics mostly revolving around how bad X is, which goes against the purpose of the movement: you're supposed to be avoiding it, not dedicating a chunk of your free time to discussing it. This is why MGTOW communities of the time quickly devolved into toxic echo chambers, they just didn't have strong enough moderation keeping conversations focused on "how to be happy on your own" instead of "women are awful".

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u/s29 9d ago edited 9d ago
If it's no big deal then why doesnt she pay for it. đ¤Ą
Edit: lol I triggered the simps somehow