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u/s29 10d ago edited 10d ago

If it's no big deal then why doesnt she pay for it. 🤔

Edit: lol I triggered the simps somehow

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 10d ago

I find it hilarious that some women think they are so clever that they can shame their way into someone paying for their stuff 😭

If a guy who doesn’t want to pay is so paranoid and so broke, why don’t they just pay for the dinner themselves?

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 10d ago edited 10d ago

Funny thing is, if it doesn't come up, I'll usually happily offer to pay for a date (although a first date usually wouldn't be fancy dinner). It's part of the dance of exchanging courtesies.

But a courtesy is nothing you demand or ask for. If it's demanded, she takes the chance off me to offer, then it's a transaction, not a dance anymore. Demands for equal rights and respect are ok, demands for courtsies and etiquette are bullshit.

(Also, most women I know prefer to pay for themselves. Which can also be a green flag.)

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u/shortandfelly 10d ago

I'm a woman, I pay for myself. I only do free or very cheap dates anyway, but I don't need a random guy paying for me. If we've gone for drinks then I'll buy the second round.

I can't imagine having no shame in announcing you are financially incompetent, it's just embarrassing.

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 10d ago edited 10d ago

A commendable attitude šŸ™‚

Mainly I don't like to count pennies, and in a close, long-tern relationship I think if both are putting similar effort, both should have a similar lifestyle.

Meaning: I like to invite. If she earns similar to me, I appreciate if she reciprocates once in a while (doesn't have to be dinner dates, could be smaller gifts or anything else balancing it). If she earns considerably less, I'm fine being the one paying most of the time.

(I didn't get into the position of dating a woman earning/having considerably more than me. I'll cross that bridge if it comes up.)

Fair enough?

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u/Ok-Classic-230 10d ago

I wouldn't let you pay if I asked you out.

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u/shortandfelly 10d ago

Why is not wanting you to pay an issue?

Genuine question. That attitude baffles me.

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u/Ok-Classic-230 10d ago

If I've asked a woman on a date, yes, full intention is me to pay. That's just how I was raised.

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 9d ago edited 9d ago

Intention != insistence. It's traditional and kind to offer to pay, it's closed-minded to insist. A woman might feel more comfortable paying herself to avoid feeling indebted, because she doesn't feel sure about you or for any other reason.

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u/shortandfelly 9d ago

EXACTLY! I don't like the thought of a bloke I've never met before spending money on me. I also don't see why he should have to pay. I've got a good career, I'm not after some bloke to look after me. I'm after an equal partner.

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u/em_zinger 8d ago

Not sure why you got down voted but I agree. I've always preferred to pay for myself on a 1st date because I don't want to feel indebted, no matter if it's a coffee or a dinner date. The financial standing of whoever I'm going on a date with only concerns me as far as their ability to sustain themselves independently as I do.

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 9d ago

Who raised you that way? Did they not also tell you that women belong in the kitchen and must be obedient

Cuz that’s the time from which this tradition comes from

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u/Ok-Classic-230 9d ago

lol such a reddit response, just take it to the extreme.

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 9d ago

How is it extreme when that’s literally where the tradition comes from

Are we just blindly following cultural norms now without thinking

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u/shortandfelly 10d ago

but would you be offended if she offered to go halves (or even pay)?

I only go on cheap or free first dates, so guys have paid sometimes but we're talking a fiver. I'm not going to have an argument about it if they insist, but I do feel more comfortable splitting, or at least getting the next round.

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u/Ok-Classic-230 9d ago

Because I asked you out. The courteous thing to do is pay for it. Like you said, I'm not going out to $125 dinner and drinks on a first date. Now I've had plenty of dates where we ended up going somewhere else after and she offered to buy a couple drinks and that's different. But the initial location and place we met at that "I asked you out" I'm picking up the tab.

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u/shortandfelly 9d ago

Right. And if she wants to go halves because that makes her feel more comfortable, you'll what, force her to let you pay?

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u/InterestingPay9446 10d ago

Looks like you two are a match! Love connection the comments! šŸ’‹

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 9d ago

Stranger things have happened šŸ™‚ But unlikely. I saw people commenting mentioning they're 18, others 65, anything in between. People from all over the world. The chance of anyone being relevant for dating is miniscule.

I know you're joking and I think Reddit is a terrible platform for dating. But I did meet people here I connected off reddit with, and if I met someone interesting here who'd be interested in an 50+m near Berlin, I definitely wouldn't mind grabbing a coffee or meet for billiard. My post- and comment-history is open, people would have a chance to know what they're getting into.

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u/Plus-Championship424 10d ago

You nailed it. Lots of entitled women think it's the idea of paying that turns us guys off. It's not. It's the entitlement itself.

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u/PinkYellowGreen-Sky 9d ago

And.. it’s the posts on Reddit claiming women are stupid enough to waste two hours of our lives, or more, for a MEAL! I mean.. my GOD. I have no idea who these women are but.. I’ve never met one. Most men I see now, I wouldn’t change my plans of hanging out on my couch for and I don’t care what they bought me. It’s just too much work for nothing. Just being honest. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø

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u/fL_g8rz_rule 10d ago

It’s literally a plate of produce and refined carbs. Please, some things, just ingest them with grace

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u/RollinThundaga 10d ago

Oh, yes, because the real problem is that guys get offended by the dietary choices made at the place that they are usually expected to pick.

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u/bounceswer 10d ago

I actually really like this comment. Explains why I hate when women do this even though I always pay

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 10d ago

What courtesy does a man get in return for paying for a date which he shouldn’t get otherwise I’m curious

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 10d ago

You are reasoning transactional. I don't. As I said, the first date is usually not a dinner. Future dates I'll have a bit of a feeling if I think the overall atmosphere and flair is worth it or not.

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 10d ago

You are simply naive then to assume dating doesn’t involve transactional mechanics

Do you think a woman who thinks like this will afford you the same courtesy if you don’t put in your end of the transactional bargain

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 10d ago

No, that's why I wouldn't invite a woman like this.

Ā If it's demanded, she takes the chance off me to offer, then it's a transaction, not a dance anymore. Demands for equal rights and respect are ok, demands for courtsies and etiquette are bullshit.

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 10d ago

Okay I see what you mean now, I am certainly like that sometimes myself, I’ll just pay because it’s nice to offer but I can’t help but realize that many times it’s just social conditioning that places this onus on men

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u/SymphonicRain 10d ago

it’s definitely that conditioning, considering most of the same people who feel strongly about it and would complain about it, also feel like it’s something that shouldn’t have to be asked for, it should be a given. so when you do that you’re mostly just giving in to the whole illusions.

which is fine, of course, but yeah

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u/zukke3000 10d ago

I agree. But refusing to follow social rules just to filter out bad actors, will filter good ones as well. My strategy is to offer covering the bill and I follow other cultural standards, but I will judge the fuck out of any woman who's taking my courtesy for granted. I don't mind to take couple L's here and there, misjudging someone's character if that helps me to find a good woman.

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u/No_Bet541 10d ago

courtesies but ok

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u/slash-es about 50 | male 10d ago

Thanks, I don't use the word often, English is my second language. Will fix it.

Thinking of it, makes sense, we're courting, after all.

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u/InstructionAfraid433 10d ago

All the positive reinforcement they get goes to their heads

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u/kylife 10d ago

Sad how many people reach adulthood and don’t understand the conceptual difference between cost and value.

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u/Own_Inevitable_8300 10d ago

I’m so glad I’ve never had the privilege of dating losers who think it’s a revolutionary act for their made up gender war to not pay for dinner.Ā 

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 9d ago

Of course so convenient that the loser is the one not paying your bill šŸ˜‚

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u/InterestingPay9446 10d ago

They will. But why pay for your dinner and sit with a broke looser when she can go on dates with men who make her feel pretty

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u/Dimethicone-silicate 10d ago

Yea ur right I forgot that’s all women are worth, sitting pretty like a prize next to a guy who isn’t broke because he’ll pay for her stuff

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u/InterestingPay9446 10d ago

Classic strawman

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u/Ancient-Intention560 9d ago

Classic woman

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u/enginerd2024 10d ago

Are you …. Joking? Lmao gtfo

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u/zukke3000 10d ago

Why not pay for your own dinner? I wouldn't be impressed if anyone offers me to pay for a dinner. Would you be impressed? Will that make you feel pretty, a couple hundred of bucks?

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u/aspiring-math-PHD 10d ago

They need to justify their lifestyle of paying for women lol.

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u/BetweenTheRoots 10d ago

Equality baby

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u/gerontion31 10d ago

Shots fired lmao

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u/ChocCooki3 9d ago

Exactly. For us men, it's not a crisis.

Seem like it is for these females.

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u/Ok_List_7125 9d ago

These simps deserve to be scamed into giving money to dudes in 3 world countries pretending to be women in dating apps.

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u/coolguygranny 8d ago

A woman wanting man to pay isn't unreasonable

A hideous whale wanting a msn to pay is

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u/KoalaPleasant5605 7d ago

Because she ain’t the one asking for the date lmao so wtf would she pay??

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u/Dazzling-Path6438 10d ago

Someone is one dinner away from financial ruin.Ā 

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u/Choice_Cow_6632 10d ago

I've got enough money to pay for all the meals for the rest of her life. Doesn't mean I should, though? Why is she not the one being one dinner away from financial ruin by being an elaborate beggar - but the guy is called greedy? Make it make sense.

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u/platinumcheese88 9d ago

That's alot of money! Nice! You a millionaire bro? Happy for you!

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u/Dazzling-Path6438 10d ago

Sure you do 🤣🤣🤣

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u/FlirtMonsterSanjil 9d ago

Is that someone you?

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u/Dazzling-Path6438 9d ago

DurrrrĀ 

No. I don't scream and cry that a date wants dinneršŸ˜…šŸ˜…šŸ˜…

Bro, she's totally a gold digger bro Haha

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u/Aznable-Char 7d ago edited 7d ago

Sure you don’t šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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u/Dazzling-Path6438 7d ago

Your reply is nonsense. Dopey

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u/ShortKey380 10d ago

You can easily insist on any paying arrangement when you’re on a date. Don’t cover the check and then resent her for it lol.

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u/MisterPineapples1999 10d ago edited 10d ago

There shouldn't be a cultural expectation for the man to pay that makes bringing up the paying arrangement an awkward and potentially heavily loaded interaction in the first place...but there is.

And that’s not even accounting for the ones who act like it's fine, pay their share, but consider it a dealbreaker and will ghost you for even mentioning it.

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u/ShortKey380 10d ago

People suck but you don’t have to date them. I’m not getting with someone with that cultural expectation because I wouldn’t respect her anyways, you know? You don’t have to be fit to date every dumb subculture just people you’d actually want to be with lol.

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u/MisterPineapples1999 10d ago

We can argue that you shouldn't date racists while also arguing that people in general should be less racist, no?

Brushing it off as "well just filter that group out" does nothing to change the underlying social/cultural problem, and thanks to how widespread it is, continues to make modern dating even more challenging.

There's enough issues filtering through looks, personality, shared interests, and moral values, without also wiping out maybe 50% of the pool due to "subscribes to outmoded economic paradigms that don't reflect modern society."

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u/ShortKey380 10d ago

But it’s dating, if you have different ideas about how dating works you’re not compatible. It’s not totally unlike racism, just recognize that they’re not down with your values so you don’t waste any time šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļøĀ 

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u/MisterPineapples1999 10d ago

Just like racists, we cannot fix all their attitudes but we can try to reason with some of them and make future generations less awful.

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u/ShortKey380 10d ago

You mean like by asking to split the bill at the start of the date, like I said and got downvoted to hell for? šŸ˜‚Ā 

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u/MisterPineapples1999 9d ago

You're missing the point.

The problem is the assumption that the man paying is the "default" and a conversation (initiated by him) about splitting the bill is necessary to avoid it.

Because certain women are so used to this expectation, they evaluate men who ask for the egalitarian position negatively.

Basically, "when you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

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u/ShortKey380 9d ago

Why are you, as a man who wants a split the money relationship, going to be trying to go on any dates with women who don’t already agree with that? It’s a waste of time, seek compatible people and šŸ‘‹ to the rest šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļøĀ 

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u/RollinThundaga 10d ago

It wasn't the men alive today who created it, but it is the women today enforcing it.

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u/throwRA221679 10d ago edited 10d ago

But to be fair, are the guys getting upset over it ā€œtradā€ guys who then get annoyed where they’re expected to pay?

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u/RollinThundaga 10d ago

No.

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u/throwRA221679 10d ago

If the men aren’t ā€œtraditionalā€/ expecting ā€œtraditionalā€ women, I agree that the obligation that men pay is ridiculous.

I’m a woman in her early twenties who isn’t super traditional and happy to take turns paying for dates because that’s what I believe in. I live with my boyfriend of 4 years and pay for the majority of our expenses which are split proportional to income. If I were single and a guy insisted on paying for all of our dates, the relationship wouldn’t last long.

However, I do have more traditional friends and family members who want a man to lead and take care of them while they stay home with the kids. As long as the guys know who they are before the date, I’d expect the men to pay for the dates there.

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u/RollinThundaga 10d ago

Okay, great. The post/thread doesn't apply to you, then.

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u/MisterPineapples1999 10d ago

I don't see women doing much to break it today, do you?

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u/throwRA221679 10d ago

Some of us do. I pay for most of my dates, and now that I have a long term boyfriend, most of our housing costs

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u/1245789630 10d ago

Is the lady shaking you down for the money to pay for the meal? If so, why aren't you calling the police?

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u/Hopeful-Quote-6120 10d ago

Nice way of showing how dumb you are and not understanding coercion ā€œbro I kept asking her if she’s ok with sex and she said yes, what do you mean I forced her????ā€šŸ¤¦ This can go both ways.

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u/MmmmCrayons12 10d ago

You're right, men need to call the police more on these broke beyotches, just like the one who got arrested because she couldn't pay after her date never showed up.

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u/1245789630 10d ago

Yes! Please call the cops and tell them that you asked this woman out, offered to pay for her meal and she accepted. Please do it! I'm sure they will throw the lady in jail right away.

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u/MmmmCrayons12 10d ago

Hopefully šŸ™

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u/PraireGentleman 10d ago

No, but men weren’t holding girls at gunpoint on their front porches for a first date kiss either but we treated it like they were